Topic: Decentralised autonomous global government (Read 275 times)

Imagine an autonomous decentralized country where the election of leaders is done through the blockchain.

Imagine an autonomous decentralized country where laws are made through the vote of individuals in the blockchain.

Imagine an autonomous decentralized country where the country's reserve is in Bitcoin and wallet address is being monitored by every single citizen of the country.

Imagine an autonomous decentralized country where a criminal will only be guilty when the whole community has voted against him through the blockchain.

Imagine an autonomous decentralized country without corruption.

The introduction and widespread adoption of technology should spur a discussion on governance that focuses on the impact of technology on people and their access to the world around them.

So… if a global consensus on issues of governance, taxation, allocation-of-resources cannot be achieved at a single centralised location, can it be achieved through an interlinked set of autonomous sites? Is there an argument for secession from the existing political order?

That's right, thank you.

I don't think I'm underrating the value of such a system. I think it could be quite helpful to everyone involved (except the criminals, of course), and that it would simplify governance a lot. I don't know if it can ever be successful, but as long as there are people who are willing to work towards such a system, I don't see why we shouldn't try our best to pursue it. I'm a big believer in the idea that blockchain can potentially help make many things more fair and efficient. It will take time to make this vision a reality, but the more good projects we see come to pass, the better!

Your answer is the one I agree with the most in this thread, it would be incredibly difficult, and it would not be perfect. But the goal is not to make something easy, not perfect. This DAGG would just improve fairness and efficiency. That's all there would be to it. definitely not pretending to make the world a better place, since I do not know what is a better wolrd.

Thanks for the links! They're a good read.
THe reason such a projct is very difficult is not because of who you need to be to acheive it, but because of the complexity of the implementation. ETH did not succeed because it was backed by powerful entites, but because it offered a new paradigm for businesses, and in concrete terms it offered new business opportunities. The same way, this DAGG will not be adopted because of its powerful backers, but because of the opportunities it will offer in the realm of governance, political and ethical decsion making. This efficiency will translate into more fainess, but it would be adopted mostly because it will translate into higher growth. So, who you are does not matter much in this context, but what you implement will make it work or not.

Thank you for the interesting answers! I did not expect that many.
Thank you @Orpichukwu for the links.
I will try the write a draft soon to be clearer about the mechanisms of the DAGG.

One main critic in the answers is that powerful entities and leaders will oppose this DAGG, in order to keep their power. Quite the opposite, the DAGG will have incentive mechanisms and being a more efficient system, there will be some advantages to plug to it. In fact, if you don't plug, you will eventually lose your power. Some people building layer one blockchains or Dapps on ETH were powerful people in the traditional economy; did they give up their power to plug Dapps on ETH? No, they saw an opportunity and a market, and so will it be with entities plugging to this DAGG. Although it will deal with political and ethical opportunities rather than just economical.
Now, it's a Herculean task to design this structure and incentive mechanisms. It's indeed all about the implementation, but I beg to differ with people saying straight on that this idea is never going to work because of powerful people or the issues of current decentralized networks, that's just a lack of imagination about the implementation.

Cheers!

Yeah, good luck with that. The people in power and who have the ability to wield billions, if not trillions, are not going to give an inch of ground to you - however noble you might think your idea might be. Governments have spawned and developed over many hundreds, if not thousands of years, to serve the people of their country rightly or wrongly. You could look at the blockchain model as a very effective system for potential transparency in voting but beyond that your idea is neither original or unique. Many people, including hippies, have had these wild ideas over time but it does not amount to anything because there are many vested interests with the ability to either quietly or publicly crush you.

This may be a good idea, but it is difficult to implement because it brings together all the rules in various countries on a main concept, namely global state or global government as you say. If I am not mistaken in understanding what you are saying, then in this case there is a book that tells about global government or the new world order.

While it's hard to believe the old-style parties will give up the honey jar and allow decentralized transparent governance, I give OP what belongs to him: at least he's trying something.
After all, there's already a political party led by an AI in Denmark. It's a step forward. I don't know if it's towards something good or towards Skynet, but that's another story.


Sorry, I don't know, but I like your idea, keep it up!

I have not given any technical details of how that would be done, yet you are already so pessimistic. These entities would not work in my direction, they would have an incentive to join, but in joining they'd have to obey the ground rules. The goal is not to stop corruption, that's just be a side effect of more transparency. Thank you for answering.

People have gone overboard with this whole decentralization thing.
If you think that works wonder why isn't any real story of success after thousands of tries to decentralize government ar regional levels?

The whole thing of having 100 people with 200 ideas deciding on what they do independent from the 100 people in the next village with another 2000 ideas has led to deal nightmares, instead of the whole region deciding on a transport hub with a big airport, for example, each medium-size city has built it's own and guess what, they are all losing money since no city alone has enough passengers to keep it profitable and with enough destinations and because of that everyone goes to the capital to fly anywhere outside Europe.  Transportation, tourism, energy infrastructure everything has become a mess since decentralization, just imagine the whole madness that will start if everyone is allowed to decide on their own on wages, pension, taxes on so on!

There are things where decentralization is good, there are things where it will be a complete disaster, just think what will happen if each school decided on its own curriculum? And what will happen if the same school votes to change it while you're in the middle of your studies?



And where is the decentralization there?
Instead of 3 political parties, you have 3 pools holding 60% of the hashrate and two entities on ETH holding more than 40% alone.

You're mistaking the ability to use a decentralized system with the governance of the said system, when did you last cast a vote on what to change on either protocol? When was the last election of who will be in charge of the future change for both systems?  It's one thing to make use of a system and dump it once it doesn't feel right to you or the changes made by the leader are not the ones you agree like what Buterin is doing to ETH, but that won't be possible in governance, you will have to obey the rules of that country you like it not.

doing such research is not difficult,
but implementing it is difficult.

because actually things like that have often been done, for example, such as demonstrations and conveying aspirations, but in reality corruption still exists.

because when it comes to ideal and perfect rules it is very difficult.

This sounds very interesting, but might be a bit uptopic at the current state of the world. I haven't come across any research on the topic so far. If there are some scientist working on it, I would expect it to be a very small field. The thing with global governments is that all countries need to agree on it and as long as the world is so divided there would be no consensus. It would make a lot of sense to have a government body that sits above all countries and can help in difficult tasks. Especially in crisis times like we had with the covid pandemic, it would have been completely different. If all countries work together to get the same vaccines, follow the same social distancing rules. We could have contained the virus much easier. Also having Apps that trace the people you come in contact with would have been much more effective globally. And still a global government seems not realistic at the moment. Politicians are so reluctant to give up power that I don't see any majority for it on a national level.

I bet those people who shows discouragement are from the corrupt government or from the banks but the rest of the normal individuals are supporting the project proposed by Satoshi Nakamoto, that is why it became successful and still relevant up until now.

A decentralized autonomous global governance can only be good as a plan for now and it is hard for it to become a reality because other governments won't just agree and the number one reason is that they are shady and can be corrupt. If there is a new consensus mechanism that will be made out of this then I think it will be PoH or can be PoT which means proof of honesty and proof of transparency.

When satoshi thought of a decentralised currency many must have proposed discouragement but today it is a big reality. There is no topic that isn't researchable. It is better to try an idea and fail than never trying it out at all.

A decentralised autonomous global governance where every activity is public and append only can be a reality but it will be fought against by many corrupt nations that still enjoys dictatorship.

If this will work then a consensus mechanism will be put in place. Something more advanced than PoW and PoS which may include  a reward system to keep participants in the network committed to been incorruptible. This is a nice research that can have good proceed if looked into.

This way every government agency will have a unique identifier that keeps track of their activities. A decentralised funding system that will ensure the funds are properly allocated and monitored to see it serves its purpose

Crowdsourcing could be the solution. This concept is well supported by the public, and it is a method that can be utilized to address government inefficiencies. This concept not only fits into the current system, but also has the potential for great growth and innovation. Of course there are some challenges to be faced along the way, but as long as you continue to work towards this goal, I think you will succeed in making this concept a success.

He can actually succeeded in doing but just as you've said, the implementation is slacking because every government already have their own rules and standard, what i see that can make make mkre sense from OP approach is to created a decentralized platform only to engage general discussion and views from people across the globe on their views and government, politics, currency and lifestyle in general whereby everyone will discuss and bring suggestions in a secured and privately safe environment, but no guarantee that all you discussed there will be implemented by the government except if you're coming onboard with the introduction of a new idea that the whole world may give to just like inventing something new and still yet does not change anything from the government end.

There have been numerous articles that I have seen and read a little of and its related to your case study.
1. Exploring Decentralized Autonomous Organizations: Towards Shared Interests and ‘Code is Constitution
2.  The Rise of Decentralized Autonomous  Organizations

This system and the goal in which you are chasing will nearly be impossible to achieve unless you are a country representative and you can submit a proposal to your government which they can study, debate on, and then conclude whether to pass the bill or not.
there are motions that ordinary citizens can just pool, even when your findings and source are well presented with good and open fact, there will still be people to criticize and condemn it. 

The idea is nice but is like beating a dead horse because it is something we both know will never work. If you're planning to use the idea in the creation of a crypto project yes it can work but creating a global government that will be governed in a decentralized autonomous way. Come on, who's going to support the idea? How are going to compete with the already existing government systems?

For the article, Investopedia and Wikipedia always have something to say about this type of topic.

I think this concept is what Gene Roddenberry tried to portray with star trek. The concept of a one world government or centralized authority in a United Federation of Planets. Star wars also users a similar hierarchy with its Republic Senate. Trek tends to take it a step further with the emphasis on wealth, money and credits being deemed trivial issues.

The appeal of a one world government is the elimination of borders and travel visas. Trade tariffs, trade wars might be eliminated to a relative degree. Which might allow the efficiency of manufacturing, production and shipping industries to rise. It might be structured similarly to reasons used to make the EU european union attractive to europeans. If the united states functions better as a conglomeration of states than it would with every state being a separate nation, that could be an argument on the centralization side.

Its a very old state revolving around concepts like state sovereignty, which used to be discussed and debated to death on forums and message boards across the internet. Its been a long time since I've seen anyone mention state sovereignty.

Well, that would be pretty hard to achieve, I would say.

I think it's fairly safe to say that such a system of governance would be incredibly difficult to create. In fact, I hardly think such a system would be even slightly possible, given the current state of technology and the nature of human beings. However, even if such a system were created and it worked, I doubt that it would be the best form of government for humanity as a whole. As an aside, I don't think there is such thing as "the best form of government." Each system has its own strengths and weaknesses, and what works for one society may not work for another. Of course, I suppose this is only one interpretation. The idea makes for some good philosophical debates, at least.

There's a chance something like this could work but it'd have to be a devolved democracy and legislature on an international scale. Different countries could be match based on global values and have laws set that govern them or individual countries or parts.

You can't enforce a law that the US and Europe voted for to throttle a cultural ritual of a minority state in Africa or south America. Equally, Indian and Chinese cultures under such system would have half of the voting influence over the world - and foreign entities legislating for something you care about is just going to reduce their power.

Several competing systems with 5-30 million people might do better to resolve some of these problems but then do you still want to set international laws on some things: if 99% of the population votes to ban slavery, should it be banned? There's going to be a lot of conflicts in between that and even controls on substances like bans on alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and cannabis.

Sounds like a science fiction story to me! Obviously such kind of government autonomy will never be achieved but it's no harm to research on it. At the end of the day, it's always good to explore new things.

I do not have much information if anyone has researched on it previously or not. But couple of months back I read something about a society that speaks about a world without border and they also issue their own passports. Their passport is useless but they have a strong league of followers. I am unable to remember now but a Google search may help.

This type of work or research won't be followed. Of what value will you create when you do such research and no government is taking to the work on your direction to follow and get things done efficiently. It will only become a theory that you made or it will happen to be advise you make for government to stop the corruption but you can't enforce anything to be obeyed, just the formality of the research but not follow up

Hi,

I am interested in doing research related to the idea of developing a Decentralized autonomous global government, that is a coded open source entity that would set the rules to how countries, institutions, people and businesses, crypto included, interact with eachother. Well, a global government but without the corruption and inefficiency sides.

Does anyone know about serious articles, posts, research on this subject? Thought and ideas welcome too.

Thanks in advance,
FX