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No, they do not know who I really am. However, they threaten a person with an identical nickname.
http://worldcore-review.com/?s=Marina

The forum administration will leave it unpunished? 

The same image of Alex Sol / Alexey Solonsky / Richard Bracke from another site: https://worldcore.pissedconsumer.com/worldcore-worldcore-eu-aka-eupsprovider-s-r-o-20160621869125.html

Isn't this over yet? I think this should already be locked.

Wow that is not good, do they know who you really are and where you are located, you should get a protection, they might be a mafia involve here

Could the forum administration consider another threat to OP?

(Archive)

Translation:
The article about Worldcore is available again on the Rusbase website https://rb.ru/opinion/smeh-greh-ico/

Translation:

I will be waiting for paying the dividents out on March 31 as it is promisesd in the smart-contract description.

what are you going to do with your wrc tokens?

nobody but marina will answer this question to you. taking into account that she spends here days in and days out, she, probably, earns an average moscow salary that is about $2000-2500.
but it's only guesses, not more

Well, who knows what she has inside her head. But there's no doubt she has a financial interest in the topic concerning Worldcore. No one would spend so much time trying to collect a package of negative evidence against Worldcore. I wonder how much totally she influenced the token price making such a campaign?
By the way, who knows, how much does it cost? 

in the context of blackmailing and creating allegedly "scam" reputation, it's better (more profitable) for her to spread rumors rather than go to the police and file an application. she will never do this herself as there's no body of a crime

Sounds sarcastically!))
Marina wishes there would be a real threat. And if there was a such one, I bet she would be the first who went to the police and filed an application. Do you see the screenshot of the paper?) I don't!)))

keep calm. I suppose the reason of creating so many threads about worldcore lies in decreasing attention that other users pay to the prevoius ones. it's easier to draw attention to the new thread with a few posts rather than to the thread with over 1000 messages

locked wat ?the thread ?? I agree with you !! its a bit far-fetched

pretty emotional post! but the truth is that nobody cares about emotions, people are interested in facts.
if you are not interested in this thread, you can pass it by, but you didin't do this - so, live with it, darling.

I have hooked on it for months as I invested in this token, so I do really care:

No one gives a shit about your petty disputes.

Even if there was a threat such as "i'll come to your house and murder you in your sleep" - there still needs to be means and motive.

However, there doesn't seem to be an obvious "i'm gonna kill you", so both you twats stop the bickering and shut the fuck up.

No one cares about your scam token, ico, or whatever the hell the bloody fucking scam is.

If you rip off people, maybe you should fear for your life. Fuck con-artist.

the fact is that marina (eduard) whose indentity is closed and not revealed as she stated herself, feels perfectly and is not afraid of being uncovered. I conclude that she is not fear for her (his) life at all.
moreover, her (his) colleagues stated that fintecheu is a personal profile of alex nasonov (that is also false and not proven) and it was allegedly him who threatened her:


I suppose she (he) has a personal animosity to ceo worldcore alex nasonov.

Yes, it's a sprawling antagonistic mess that now includes this thread, which was specifically about a death threat (dealt with in the first few posts), but has turned into an unmoderated regurgitation of "He said she said" posting, which should be deleted as off topic and, ideally, this thread closed.

The ripoff report which you quoted is a massive scam itself.
Using it as evidence is completely unreliable.
http://drjaniceduffy.com/ripoff-report/

It is blocked in Europe due the content not being in compliance with European laws.

The ripoff report is facing potential criminal charges by the Italian Authorities. It has a multi-million dollar judgement against it in St. Kitts & Nevis, and is facing numerous lawsuits in the USA with possible criminal charges to follow.

Ripoff report is an illegal scam in most countries but the founder refuses to pay overseas judgement.

Just some of the many court orders against the founder of the ripoff report.

Alleged evidence of extortion and writing fake reviewsby xcentric ventures

More allegations of a criminal conspiracy by the ripoff report




WORLDCORE - A SCAM!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ny-talks-2236259

Worldcore - Fake names of employees
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/worldcore-fake-names-of-employees-5053167

Worldcore - Fake diploma of CEO
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/worldcore-fake-diploma-of-ceo-5039485

Why so many threads ? It makes it hard to reply.

exactly! rusbase's lawyers understand this - so, I suppose that was the reason they deleted the article. one more note:
only the operative part of the court session is given. the protocol one is not in the public access, unfortunatelly. let's hope that the representatives of worldcore will post it. it would be interesting to study the arguments.

In a lot of countries there is a legal defense called "honest opinion". As long as the journalist can show that they based their opinion on information that led to their reasonable opinion at the time they are immune from a defamation lawsuits. However if they receive information to the contrary later that contradicts that and by applying that newly gained knowledge does not lead to a reasonable opinion anymore they have to stop publishing that opinion (in the case of online content)  it in order to be eligible for such defense.

marina, get calm down, please! it's not written in the jugde decision that worldcore is a scam (as you are trying to force), it's written that the moscow arbitration court refused to meet the requirements. and this is the most interesting moment. the fact itself that rusbase deleted the article before the court session could have led to requirements' meeting refusal

I'm not familiar with Russian law. In most countries civil proceedings have lower standards than criminal law.

Also failure to secure a prosecution is not proof that what was printed is correct.

Most legal systems provide for journalistic legal privilege.

Hi, Marina! Haven't seen you for so long! 

I will help you and answer the question the response for which you know better than me: there can be just one official website in Ukraine that can provide such a document https://erdr.gp.gov.ua/ If Alex Nasonov is accused of creating a scam project, he, as a suspected person, has an access to this database on a criminal case. So, there is no any reason to fabricate the document if the criminal case, according to you, really exists.

I can just guess that law-enforcement agents who invested in ukraine and suffered from the questra financial pyramid organized by prochukhan, decided to retaliate and leaked the document.

Are there any verifiable news sources or court documents for that ? I some countries court documents are accessible online.

Anyone can type up a statement and post it on the internet. I am trying to establish facts on verifiable evidence.

Serious allegations require serious proof.

I also believe it's essentially important to state a few words about the criminal case that was initiated against worldcore.

the criminal case of fraud on the part of the company, opened by the national police of ukraine, turned out to be incompetent falsification: a certain anton gevko, a refugee from horlivka, wrote a statement  (point 11 with my translation further) that on 12.03.2018 an unidentified person under the pretext of attracting investment to the international company worldcore by fraud took possession of his money in the amount of 5,000 US dollars, after which they disposed of at their own discretion, without fulfilling their obligations - and nothing would have happened, except that this “investment attraction” had happened right next to the kyiv goloseevskaya metro station rather than on the internet through the acquisition of a wrc token as part of ico, as one could expect!

yes! - apparently, according to those who fabricated the legend for this fake, worldcore attracts investments in this way. As for gevko himself, he has already admitted* (the text was taken from anton's odnokalssiniki.ru social network profile) the fact of giving false testimony at the request of anna chervinskaya (alexander prochukhan’s sister). he most likely repeatedly regretted going to cooperate with the gangsters who simply took advantage of the disastrous financial situation of this immigrant from donbass.

* - translation:

"I want to declare that I have slandered a person. anna chervinskaya approached me through a friend and promised a large sum of money for help. I had to write a statement, as if a man from russia (alex nasonov, ceo worldcore - my note) seemed to have stolen 5,000 US dollars from me. they said that he was a bad man. and I fit into a dubious topic - gave false testimony for the money to this person. a criminal case was opened against him. I really needed the money. now I am taking consequences. I was framed, paid and forced to slander a person. it turned out that alexander prochukhan, the creator of the financial pyramid questra world, needed to be swept away from his tracks. and now he is on the run and it turns out that I am with him now like his criminal partner. anna is his sister. now I am threatened. if I tell you more, I will not see my family"

This is exactly the type of dialogue that is helpful. I think a large number of issues are due to each side not trusting each other.

Worldcore has made mistakes but some of the accusations are also incorrect.

Lets work through the issues rationally. You are welcome to correct me on any of the posts that I have made. You will notice that I edit posts if I believe the information that I have posted is incorrect.


1. I'd like to see more evidence before coming to the conclusion that it is related to Benson Union. It is not clear what link (if any) it has. I'd also be keen to see what worldcore has to say about that.
2. Correct. They made up their own qualifications.
3.I think it is too early to complain about the roadmap. Plans sometimes take longer than intended.

veleor, I'm not sure if you are able to read! you can find the answers in the previous post of mine.
SWIFT code was obtained recently. it's: EPSOCZP1 (it's verifiable on swift.com) - completed
integration of SEPA instant credit transfers - real-time bank transfers in euros between sepa countries - completed
as I already mentioned: approval for issuance visa plastic and virtual debit cards was received. further setup is in progress now

sure, these steps take a lot of time, but the roadmap is fulfilling. the work is being constantly done

Mark what points of the Roadmap were fulfilled by this time.

I have already advised you to read official sources and stay tuned to the latest updates. you don't do it on purpose. so, I will do it for you:

1) trading steps:
cryptocurrency exchange https://worldcore.trade launched and updated:
* new trading pairs (btc, eth, ripple, monero, usdt (with the lowest fees).
* interface with listing of new tokens
* 2FA
* advanced trading charts
2) legal steps:
* PCI DSS Level 1 certificate renewed. audit was successfully passed!
* gdpr compliance requirements fullfiled
3) financial steps:
* SWIFT code obtained: EPSOCZP1
* approval for issuance visa plastic and virtual debit cards received

still not fulfilling roadmap? really?

Conclusion:

It is concerning that there is evidence that supports reasonable suspicion that Worldcore is linked in some way to Benson Union and other Pavel Krymov ventures. I have not seen any evidence that I would consider conclusive proof.

There is evidence that worldcore has conducted itself in an unethical way.

In the form of creating false qualifications and exaggerated sales hyperbole.
Exaggerated sales, exaggerated client numbers, overstating capabilities.
Posting on the forum with a multitude of sockpuppet accounts and making threats.


It is my opinion that the Ernst & Young report is real.

However I would be concerned that the E&Y assesor was not given an accurate account of afffairs since there is evidence of exaggeration and hyperbole.

https://scamworldcore.com/en/worldcore-is-scam/ lists a number of accusations that are concerning.

Hopefully Worldcore will read this and re-assess their conduct both in this forum and in their way of presenting "facts".

While I would not call it an outright scam - my advise would be to avoid it and treat it with extreme caution.

My detailed investigation can be viewed here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46853910

Suchmoon often manages describe the situation perfectly:


Recommendation:

Hopefully going forward Worldcore starts acting with more transparently with less hyperbole so the investors and consumers are given facts rather than fiction.
Often people who have invested a lot of time an resources in their project become very attached and protective of the project. They want it to do well and tell "white lies" to make themselves appear more sucessful or attractive to investors.
This is something that slowly crosses over into - misleading investors and "fraud".
When you seek investment from the public it is important to be "squeaky clean" because "misleading investors" by a company that seeks millions in investment often results in jail terms. It is not too late to change.

tell me plz,
what is the situation for these accounts?
Thank you!

There are lot of accusations against Worldcore but these three are indisputable facts:
1. Worldcore is linked to the scam Benson Union.
2. CEO Alexey Nasonov faked the Diploma of Higher Education.
3. Worldcore doesn't fulfill the Roadmap.

Really? that was created by marina uni? Any proofs?
Or you are lie, as always?

For moderators -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/akarmin-2145553 - akarmin
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/socmacho888-2145663 - socmacho888

It isn't a matter of "who I believe". I haven't made up  my mind on that and would have to look into the validity of claims made by both sides. What makes it more complex for me to do that is that my comprehension of the Russian language is not great. (Although I do know several people that regularly help me with that.)

What I do see is what has been posted in Meta. Tit for tat accusations and threats.

By your conduct it is harder to distinguish between fact and fiction.

One of your accusers made an accusation about a company before. I talked to the CEO and not only established that the company appears to be legitimate but the accuser appears to have accepted it as well.  The conduct of the company impressed me and very quickly we were able to establish that it was due to misunderstandings of fact. During the entire process - the company conducted itself ethically and provided more verifiable evidence than necessary. (Evidence which we thoroughly checked).

During the process it also became apparent that the accuser had expressed genuine concerns. (But was mistaken). Which makes your accusation that your accusers are just Ukrainian scammers very difficult for me to believe.

From my experience - reputable companies - do not go about making veiled death threats or on a smear campaign offensive or have an army of annon newbie accounts posting the same things..

They generally go out of their way to provide transparent and reliable proof.

I'm less interested in "proof" that they are scammers. I'm interested in "proof" that you are not a scammer.

Even if you are successful in convincing me that they are scammers it still does not prove that you are not a scammer.  Do you understand my concern ?

Figure out what the core accusations are and then provide strong verifiable evidence showing that it is incorrect or untrue.

Perhaps Marina Uni or someone familiar with the accusation can make a list of concerns and accusations and you can then answer them one by one with easily verifiable proof that the accusation is mistaken, partly incorrect or false.

in order to undestand what's going on you should read the russian thread where marina is leading the black PR campaign. I have already showed you the video that was roughly cut from the original one. in the fake video ceo worldcore allegedly confesses he is a scammer. this video was posted by marina several times as a "proof of scam".
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46775172

now, do you think that a person who is making fakes can be trsuted as an honest person who is not interested to blacken the company reputation?!

When it comes to "the kettle calling the pot black". I've had a look through your posts. They are exclusively in Worldcore scam threads with what appears to be a black PR campaign against those that you are accusing of a black PR campaign against worldcore.

Instead of countering any accusations made with evidence of the contrary you appear to be exclusively engaged in a smear campaign against those you accuse of spreading black PR.




I don't know what planet you live on - but smear campaigns against accusers are not believable. They might result in the other person being tainted but it does not rescue your reputation. It drags it into the gutter. Smear campaigns are conducted generally by unethical scammers that want to deflect from reasoned discussion.

Even if the accusations are valid you would need to provide more proof than usual because the accusation of scamming was made against you first.

If you want to make your business look credible then you counter accusations with:

Evidence that prove they are wrong.
Transparency where the owners are in a public campaign where people can see who they are and communicate and interact with them directly rather than dealing with it through numerous anonymous sockpuppet accounts that are more interested in making unsubstantiated accusations rather than to simply prove their accusers are wrong or mistaken.
If you expect people to make financial transactions with you then you should not hide behind anonymity.

I can categorically say that based on what I have seen you post you have the appearance of a typical scammer. I have not bothered to look into the Worldcore situation because I simply have too much other stuff I prefer to do. First impressions count. So far it is a bad one.

Worldcore - just an another account farm. I told you so...
administrators should delete all this infection from the forum.

marina, firstly nobody knows who is the user with a nickname fintecheu.
secondly, this user made a warning to the orginezers of black pr campaign against wrc and just marked that they will face the consequences
thirdly, you projected the situation to yourself - it means that you are one of orginizers. fed up?

I'm assuming you are asking about this question:


You see it relies on the preposition "If you were paid by ukranian scammers and spent like a year on providing black PR activity"..

a) being paid by Ukrainian scammers
b) involved in black PR activity

Is there any actual evidence that that show is the case ?

If there is no evidence of that OR it has already been denied by Marina Uni then the subposition doesn't require an answer. It is what they call a Strawman.

Several worldcore accounts suffered the wrath of the moderator for breaking the rules and you - yourself have been indulging in forum rule breaking - all stuff that looks very dodgy from my viewpoint.

no threats. the real investors are accusing you in making a black-pr campaign against worldcore! because of you, the token price dropped down and the investors suffered losses. so, they ask you a resonable question: are you ready to compensate their losses? when will you start being responsible for the words you say?

so, if you watched this video, I advise you to watch the following one that was created by marina uni. it's a fake video where ceo worldcore alex nasonov allegedly confesses that he is a scammer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huBTEcPdmoY&feature=youtu.be

this video was roughly sliced from the original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TOc9JdshOM

how, on earth, one can trust her after this?

Except for some reason the Russian shitcoin board (and I think some other local boards) doesn't show trust ratings so the system doesn't work there as it should.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/akarmin-2145553 - akarmin - sapienti sat.

I don't know what that DOX has to do with the accusation. There appears to be no point to it and in violation of the rules.


I haven't been following the Worldcore scam accusations and don't know who is right or wrong and do not have the time to look at it closely.

Those profiles that you listed don't look related and I know who one of those profiles belongs to.

Definitely no bots. Making accusations that don't stand up to scrutiny makes you look dodgy.

However it looks like the triplets disappeared with the help of the moderator.
https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php


Scams are not moderated. They are dealt with independently by the default trust system.

Alts are permitted but you are not allowed to use alts to post sequential posts or have a conversation between your alts.

If one of the alts gets banned then the ban applies to all the alts - the ban is on the person - not just on the user ID.


Since you asked I looked it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkvGAg1pNvQ

is the accusation being made.

WOW Twins and the triplets born just minutes apart. Must have been an easy birth.

Surely they are not alts breaking rule:

32. Posting multiple posts in a row is not allowed.

That would be so silly to do in META where they talk about forum rules, account farms, merit abuse, scammers...etc













Handy archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180926160736/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5023609.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20180926160641/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5023609.20

lol donot pro ve her anything !!she is a prochukhan'' s paidposter !! prochukhan stays behind the black pr campaign agaisnt worldcorr
if you rtally believe and trust marina ,,then just look at her trust .
ma rina is not responsible for the words she says --she says what her employers order her to say ../

marina, that's very nice that your paid-translator knows latin but that kind of argumention is incredibly far from argumentation of strong proofs.
by the way, I sent a warning letter to the mods and asked them to consider my application.  
taking into account your reputation and nubmer of times when you lied, you must proof everything.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

why are you always copypasting your posts?

this post does not suit to this topic - there is another one for these thread.

once again, a question to you: why do you quote some person who does not belong to worldcore team at all trying to make a proof from it?

wel... why dont anybody punish her?? if she does such a black job ?? are there such rules on the bitcointalk forum according to which mods could ban her??

Death Threat from the Worldcore team again Need urgent assistance!


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ny-talks-2251768

lol
n/othing changes ma rina is lying as ussal trying 2 present herself helpless andall offended girl b,, but everyvoby understands shes lying every day ,,every moment trying 2 hide that her employer prochukhan pays her 4 blacken worldcore .. will she be punished by mods 4 slandering ??\

so what kind of assistance do you need? and why do you quote some person who does not belong to worldcore team at all trying to make a proof from it? I won't even get suprised if it is your bot that you created to mislead people and manipulate their opinion

haha lol exactly
..and that s important 2 mention that ma rina /opened her own vegeterian cafe on money received from her employer prochukhan in the yaroslavl region !!beware of her personality ,,and do not trust her !!

folks, probably you are not aware, so I will try to explain to you. marina uni is a paidposter who was hired by alexander prochukhan - the true organizer of black pr campaign against worldcore. so, this is not a kind of relationships between fintecheu and marina uni at all. 
read more about this:
http://worldcore-review.com/en/2018/08/21/the-history-of-success-alexander-prochukhan-what-did-the-con-artist-before-founding-his-first-pyramid/

/hhmmmmm ..very reasonable suposition ..i dont no exectly since nobody mentioned this infrmation on the forum ,,but i can guess she want 2 get some part of wrc business of fintecheu if they r not dating any,more ??
other users know marina as a paidposter ,,there were even red comments inher trust in the past ...

there was no any kind of direct threats to marina uni and that was proved by the moderator that is why the post was not deleted and the user was not permamently banned. but what is clear is that marina uni proved that she has a direct connection to black pr campaign as fintecheu promised CONSEQUENCES to organizers of black pr campaign...the gangsters who extort money must be imprisoned. that will be fair

Death threat = Permaban

Ref: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-it-allowed-to-threaten-someone-to-shoot-in-real-world-1708429

it seems to me that this, marina, is the only goal of your work on this forum. you make a pressure on a specific person from who you are extorting money. the longer the person refuses to pay to you, the more pressure on him you make. i would believe in these fake threats that were directed not against you but taking into account how rude you talk to other users, that's impossible to trust you anymore, sorry

So... Anybody banned FintechEU?

I wouldn't worry too much about it.  Everybody is a hardened murdered on the internet it seems.  This light reading comes to mind. 

https://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/2008/02/27/if-you-arent-getting-hate-mail-your-writing-probably-sucks/

i will say even more !!whether ma rina is alive or dead ,,she will pour the filth ../against worldcore and alex nasonov directly from the coffin ,,hahahahaha
itis crystally clear to everyone    !!

lol.
there are the threats towards the initiators of the information war started against worldcore! then marina got scared of it. do you understand now marina's role in that black pr campaign? it is as easy as 1-2-3

There's no information war. There's just a Death Threat from the Worldcore team.

Does it matter what Marina Uni considers? If Worldcore organizers think that she is one of the initiators, then it is the direct threat to her life.

Some things in Russian don't translate well and can appear innocent or have a different interpretation.

Not all of the local board reports are dealt with by the local moderators - global moderators deal with those as well.- often they also only have a limited amount of time to consider the report.

Neither of the Russians I spoke to have to my knowledge been posting in the Worldcore thread so their opinions would not be tainted by anything other than the post and the link.


Thank you for the clarification.

There is no direct threat. The threat is directed towards the initiators of the information war. If Marina Uni considers herself the initiator of the information war, the threat is directed to her side.


You forget that there are two moderators in the Russian section.

To be honest, the translation in the OP doesn't look like an obvious threat and hardly make sense (google translate didn't help much), especially the "life sentence" part. Is FinTechEU allegedly saying that he will put OP in prison for life or impose a death penalty on him somehow?

It's not even clear who is that post addressed to. There are 2 names mentioned but I don't understand the context.


Wasn't it a Russian mod who marked suchmoon's report as "bad"? I'd expect local board reports to be going through local mods.

I PM'd Xal0lex and asked him to have a look at it. A Russian moderator will understand it the best.

I reported it to moderator as a death threat and it got marked as "bad" so apparently the mod disagrees.

I agree with Lauda.

Because my Russian is limited I asked two Russians that I trust what their thoughts were.

Russian trolling and innuendo is hard to understand for anyone that is not a native speaker.

It might not sound that serious when translated but this is a serious and credible threat.

No.

---

PM theymos directly, that should get them permanently banned.

Seems like a bit of a reach on threatening you with death. Mostly because they also refer to the life sentence, so perhaps they are unaware of the laws.

I would also move this to reputation, and report the post to a moderator explaining your stance.

Dear ladies and gentlemen