Topic: DEGO - The hunters were deceived. (Read 821 times)

So I think it's too long if the distribution of 20% per 6 months for the POOLZ bounty team has changed the rules at the end of the campaign so many are disappointed it is obvious the hunters will have to wait years to enjoy the perfect result.
I think the team why for this reason because they want to keep the price stable in the market so they decide something like this, but obviously this is not fair at all for me the team has to fix this problem because the hunters also want their reward that is worth it.

Actually it is not. DEGO bounty campaign participants could withdraw and already withdrawing their rewards. Few weeks are left till they get access to full amount. While with POOLZ nothing is unclear. Distribution decision is not final and no one has received anything yet. POOLZ bounty participants are in much worse situation, in situation of being unclear and instability.

The situation repeated itself. This time with the POOLZ company https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5312242.new#new

Mate this is nothing new. I have already encountered some bounties before that they will have series of locking periods for distributing rewards. Like for instance, a project will lock the tokens for 6 months, and then distribute 20% every month until it's 100% on the last month. I didn't even made it on time for my DEGO video submission despite spending almost a day creating an entertaining video about them, so I'm not qualified for the rewards and I respect their decision. It's all about agreeing that we should submit it before the deadline, and not hoping for reconsiderations to make it fair for those who submitted early.

In fairness, it should be noted that DEGO still paid 20% of the total amount. We can only hope that the price will not go down in 100 days) Especially worth noting is the Manager Fatima,who made a lot of effort to make this payment happen.

Update from DEGO Team:

"DEGO bounty token claim will start after 1pm UTC, 12th November. Official statements will release about it from team DEGO."

Let see

You must be careful all the time.not to disclose your private key in their platform. This is consider as a scam using the site to phished out important details of your wallet and if it has funds on it then definitely you will going to lose all your funds. There are many phishing sites too so being careful should not only focus to a single site but to all site as well especially if it will ask for your private key in accessing the wallet you had. Be mindful and cautious always.

As expected, the hunters did not receive anything yesterday, although they swore that they would pay 20% on November 10. They referred to the tests of smart contracts (three weeks was not enough to test)

unfortunately Is true... we are already seeing this with the appearance of this pandemic. Where the government tells people:

"wear masks, make social distance". But most people ignore this and keep partying, and as a result the number of infested and dead people keeps increasing, but if governments put Lockdown on they'll be complaining. they don't want to put masks, they don't want to respect social distance and they don't want Lockdown either.

same case happens in the cryptocurrency market, they don't want government interference, but they keep saying how other people should spend their money and don't like to comply with a virtual contract and don't like to pay. It is difficult to understand what people want, which is why laws are the only ways to put order in people. With this pandemic I realized that in the end it is impossible to live without laws and use of force by governments because most people do not use the brain and harm the minority of people... Greed, selfishness and dictatorship cause things like decentralization are mirage in the world and in the cryptocurrency market. Until today I usually laugh whenever my country's government is talking about more decentralized government.

Since we are asking rhetorical question, here is another one: would you do bounty campaign of just another DeFi shitcoin for a couple of months without knowing exactly how much you gonna get, when will those tokens be distributed, with solid chances of not getting tokens at all, and being previously screwed numerous times in the similar manner?


True, that sucks. Since they allegedly migrated from Ethereum to Binance Smart Chain, they could at least give them those tokens as I heard transactions are much cheaper on BSC than they are on the Ethereum.


That bold part is what these altcoin bounty campaigns are, nothing else, so bounty hunters join as many bounty campaigns as possible, not choosing much, and hoping that few of out few dozens will be success. If bounty manager insists on escrow, projects will simply find another bounty manager who won't ask for that, and if by some miracle bounty hunters decide to go on "strike" and not join non-escrow campaigns, there are plenty of those that will see that as an opportunity to join and get even more tokens as majority of them are stake based, or even worse, make alt accounts and join with them. Only possible solution would be if bounty managers/campaigns have to be approved by the forum, but imho there are bigger chances for bounty campaigns to get banned altogether than that to happen.

That quote about insanity generally attributed to Einstein fits well in all this altcoin bounty campaign mess.

So, the moral of the story is that no matter how better than the previous system is, if you let humans have any decision-making power in it, it will turn shit in most of the cases? 


Probably he meant to say you walk down the street and you see a machine with a sign that says "Yes, this is an ATM", another one that says "Withdraw 100$ and we give you 50$" and while you go around it you see it's 1 cm thin so it has no way to actually store money to give to you...
Then what do you do? 

Leaving that alone, I guess the problem mentioned in the OP post is this:


It would be interesting to see a little math on it but...at this point it's a bit useless, there was never anything bounty hunters could do to force the team to do otherwise, you either chose a project in which the money for your work is escrowed or you gamble...

Care to explain what's the difference there, connecting your wallet to YFI and some others DeFi and connecting to Dego to claim bounty reward, as from what I know neither ask for your private key (that's an obvious sign of scam if they do). Please explain in layman's terms as I never invested/traded any DeFi tokens and don't plan to, all I really know about it is from what I read.

In the end, if you believe that what Dego is asking from bounty hunters is somehow dangerous (connecting wallet to claim bounty reward) and might make them loose their funds on the wallet, I suggest you open another scam accusation thread, explain the issue and raise the flag.


Is there some other way to get money from an ATM other than inserting your card and entering the pin? All ATMs I ever used worked like that.

Isnt what you have written is an explanation of yield farming? Speaking about UniSwap - not only you have to connect your wallet, but also transfer your tokens there. I would no mind to connect my wallet to trade. But connect you wallet to accumulate reward and later disconnect it (probably it will work like this) to withdraw it - for me it does not look normal.

For me it looks like you walk down the street and see an ATM with the sign "insert your card, enter your pin and get money". Would you do it?

The objective of this type of people without any character is precisely to make other people work and when it is time to pay, change the rules so as not to pay what they promise. I wonder if it was in the real world would they do that? I highly doubt it. That is why this market needs regulation because people without character and scammers are taking advantage of the situation to get rich.

I read arguments like: Bounty hunters cannot get paid because they are going to evict and altcoin will fall a lot.

but these same people who speak these kinds of things, they are the same people who talk about decentralization, they criticize the banks, they criticize the governments.

But if we compare that it really sucks, we will see that it is not the banks and the governments because at least in the case of the banks and the governments they have to respect the law, whereas those projects that do not respect the bounty hunters besides not having honor because they do not deliver what they promise, they also break the virtual contract they have with the bounty hunters.

It is shameful keep saying that bounty hunters should not get paid because they are going to evict and the price will fall... who says that is a dictator.

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this:

https://dego.finance/home



https://cvault.finance



now it has become fashionable 

Sometimes we also find it difficult to choose projects that benefit many projects with products that have been run even though they still have no defense for the future, the price tends to fall because of the lack of enthusiasts in the market so that the token price is lower what is imagined with the allocation that has been mentioned .

It's just that DEGO has to be claimed with gas costs if it is as generous as I think it's reasonable but have to wait some more because the team agreed to the changed rules at the end, yeah this is annoying but they just want to maintain price stability in the market.

Not the first time to change rule when their project suddenly rise up a bit. I remember digitalbits also, chaning their terms and even lowering the payment. The thing here is, if the project have stipulated that their rule can be ammend with no questions asked on their thread thats the thing they could actually do that. However that is something unprofessional move if you did not comply with your own rules.

Oh my, I thought dego is a fine print seems like also been swayed due to their easy gain reputation and fame.

A lot of them actually. Lucky for DEGO hunters because they have the chance to claim their rewards, but other projects, not even a glimpse of their tokens or coins. This is the reason why you should carefully choose the projects that you will promote. Don't be attracted by huge rewards, because the value of it in reality may only be few bucks. Because once listed, the price tend to go down so fast and before you got your share, the price is already at rock bottom. Look for projects that have actual products/services in place already. They have higher chance to maintain their market price.

what's the difference .. isn't it the same .. hunters have to pay a lot of money to claim the results of the work which is almost equivalent to the token value claimed even though it's their work .. and for the safety of hunters, it is very risky to lose all their belongings.  in their wallets ... what kind of nonsense is this, what's the difference with forcing hunters to become investors and buy their tokens ...

bounty hunters seem disrespected for their efforts, Bounty Hunter has been working for months and not getting satisfactory results? but that also happened to other projects before DEGO appear

Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not a DeFi expert (that's an understatement actually) but isn't that the way all these DeFi projects work? You have to connect your wallet (people are mostly using Metamask) in order to stake and do other stuff. Same thing with Uniswap, you have to connect your wallet to it in order to trade/swap tokens, provide liquidity etc..

Regarding bounty hunters getting screwed, nothing new there. This is how it goes when you accept to work for months for the promise of future payment. At least Dego didn't dump hard and still has some value, unlike some others that delay bounty distribution until team is done with the dumping so bounty hunters end up with worthless shitcoins.

Things won't change until bounty hunters become more picky when choosing bounty campaigns, but we know that won't happen.

This is nothing new. before they launch the project. they want to bounty hunter to support their project. and once they are rich in number of investors. they kicked out bounty hunters

And bounty hunters cannot complaint because before you join the campaign they stipulated that they can change the rules anytime, so from no KYC they ask KYC now, so from distribution right away, they locked the token, bounty hunters are already a victim when they agreed to be part of the campaign, because of that stipulation.

yes .. first Thank you for the advice .. can I know where to take shelter for all hunters, where is the place to complain for hunters, is there still a shady place for hunters .. at this time the same in 2017 I  the taste is no different, many scam projects and in the last few years scam projects have their own way and a more refined way .. I'm not complaining, I just see the hunter's efforts and hard work are not appreciated and without results .. I'm not complaining only  I want to know ... when the first project was offered, everything looked good and interesting, through all the checks there was no indication of cheating (scam) ... after all this went on and the team changed all the rules at the beginning so ... was this cheating (  scam), who is the sinner .. bounty hunter or bounty manager the manager or the project team ..

I like the part “ Once the wallet address is connected to the website, you will see the token to be claimed.”.

“Connected to website” does not sound safe. Not only bounty hunters are obliged to pay fees, which amount is unknown, but also are under risk of loosing everything that is in the wallet.

Oh, fabulous, is this some sort of punishment for answering that guy?  
For a week I've managed to stop myself from posting in that cesspool and tell all those shills what I think about their beloved god of bounties that rains tokens for every praise they toss there and when I finally forgot that topic ever existed.....

I'm thinking of quoting CH next time I see him around  

You're trying to educate a twitbook bounty hunter... that's all they know, post streams of shit, don't read anything, no critical thinking of any kind, then whine when they get scammed. But if you try to warn these shitbirds - that doesn't go well either. Can't win pigeon chess.

The first thing that you should do is merge your messages and avoid multiposting if you have something to say it can be done in one post.

Second, about your rights...why don't you form a union and force everyone to join it and you only negotiate like a union with projects? It has been proposed multiple times but just as many times it has failed to materialize because nobody will respect it. And it's not the forum business to check all projects and to "protect" every user with a hundred accounts that post a thousand of tweets a day and make sure he gets paid. Who will be paying for this? You?


Yeah, and a fraudulent project owner gets also tagged, that's how things work.
If you want to get paid for the work you have put in any project then it would be normal that bounty hunters that have worked and advertised fraudulent projects would have to reimburse scammed investors, that the equivalent of what you were trying to picture. So, have you paid any of the investors that were scammed by the projects you advertised?

Of course, I'm not defending at all this DEGO whatsoever as it's likely another failed defi project.

Unless the tokens or coin is escrow the bounty manager has no control on what's going to happen after he sent the spreadsheet to the team, it's beyond his control anymore, the developer can always change the rule the term and distribution that is very much different from what the bounty hunter have read in the campaign, escrow is really important and bounty  managers should ask it or even demand it.

How sure are you that they will not change the term again. If they have changed the term and hunters agree with them now, then they can decide to do the same again and again. I do not think you know how this people behave. They are always friendly when they want to start using you as hunters to promote their business. Once they achieve their aim, they make bounty hunters their enemy. They discredit you and named you dumpers

At least OP had effort in posting this kind of likely an abuse to the bounty hunters.

Since most of the projects are like this then reporting them and making accusations against the project will do good for us the bounty hunters to be heard one day and we will get what is ours in here.

Aside from that, we can learn also not to jump directly into a project instead get to know more about it before joining. There are many reputable bounty manager bringing good project so it may be good to wait and join in their project to avoid always getting scam in promoting not paying projects here in the forum.

This has often happened before the teams always change at the end with unreasonable and even unfair actions in taking this action, they arbitrarily take decisions without thinking about the hunters who have done their hard work for months of promotion, especially at the expense of paying for it. gas to claim the token, oh god they are so cruel and don't think about the suffering of others.

When the project is successful and sometimes the team always makes it difficult to distribute many ways so that the distribution doesn't finish, do they intend not to pay? if so why launch a bounty campaign?

This description of their project just sounds like complete gobbledygook to me:


Could be that I'm ignorant of DeFi stuff (and that's true), but I can recognize corporate doublespeak designed to confound the senses when I see it.  No wonder they changed the payout terms at the end.  I'm curious as to whether they'll even honor the revised payout structure.  That "terms subject to change" clause--or whatever they wrote in there--basically gives them the right to fuck the bounty hunters over.  Hell, they'd probably do it even without that clause.

Bounty hunters must be incredibly desperate to keep doing all this work up front and hoping the project owners pay them fairly in the end, especially since there have been many instances of this kind of shit over the past few years. 

I understand very well what you are talking about. But there are slightly different circumstances:

first, after the end of the bounty, the team gave the payment dates without any changes regarding the payment Protocol. At that time, they already knew the number of hunters and and this did not affect the announcement of dates. And the changes were reported on the last day of payment.

Secondly, there is no reason why we can't get 20% now immediately after making sure that the company is solvent? What should happen on November 10 that isn't happening now?

Third, 100 days is not a week, not two, or even three. This is a long time. Many projects don't even live that long. Someone who knew these conditions initially may not have become involved in the company.

I understand that delays in the crypt are more likely the norm, but in this case, everything is suspicious

It was indeed deceitful and disappointing but kudos to the BM who fought so hard for the hunters right and did a good job with trying to douse the hunters  wrath

Some people lose control when they see big money, $100,000 is not a big amount,
they are just small and greedy people.
First people lose face, then money.
When you spit on others, don't be surprised if they spit on you.
I'm not surprised when I meet fools in my life, I am surprised when they are believed.
Excuse me for my bad english

Everything is possible ) as soon as the first payment is due, you can request documents, thereby delaying another payment )))

And on the other hand we can assume that the team did not expect that the project will be to use such demand and reputation, as in my opinion very good, and when they saw that there is a demand for them, then immediately began to change various conditions, the strong decline in production, the unexpected division awards, and all actions in EDG when they had to pay the hunters, that means they made this decision directly to the distribution itself, as if it was planned in advance it was possible already to prepare the contract and all functions requirements on the site, right, the company does not look like scammers, BUT there is a lot of greed on their part, to be honest, it is the first company that recently launches mining, and puts donations on the site, not pre-sale, not ICO, namely donations, because if something happens, they will not have to return the funds, since they did not invest, but donated, I hope that in the future there will be no more changes, and will give us the opportunity to receive this award

I've not taken a part in this bounty, however i have been following DEGO and their switch from ETH to BSC blockchain.
And i can say, that the team, atleast the front facing team is completely incompetent.

They even backed on their promises when NFT mining, they promised certain rewards, but the rewards were cut by more than 4x.

It happens many times before DEGO. There will always be changes to what the team will do, they promise something and then another thing happens. Dates may change but as long as bounty tokens are going to be paid I guess the bounty hunters may still be okay with it since DEGO team isn't a scam and the token is listed on Kucoin already.

Are they asking KYC this time on their dashboard?

Well, to be honest, the team will pay out all the tokens. Therefore, there is no reason to talk about obvious deception on her part. Yes, they did not meet the deadlines and this is a hoax.

I also have no special complaints about the Manager. Rather, I want to draw investors ' attention to what steps the team is taking.

To the best of my understanding, the manager did her best to see that hunters were not been cheated to this extent but all her efforts were not enough to make dego team do things as agreed from the initials. The manager publicly admitted her mistakes in this regards and considering that dego is her first project as a bounty manager, i will give her all benefits of doubt as to not having a hand in the mess dego did.

The very division of the reward is not surprising, but it is sad that in order to get tokens, we now need to pay the cost of gas ourselves, and if you carefully look at the electronic table, then indeed many tokens do not have so much to afford it, another example of how hunters are trying to blame everything and limit, if the number of tokens that the miners themselves produce, then the hunters would not affect the course so much, but they are not limited, since they buy picks, as usual, who has the money is right, and honest work for the good of the company is so poorly evaluated.
Bounty Manager Fatemablabla did its job perfectly, until the last tried to change the situation, it is not her fault

This is nothing new. Something worse has been done to hunters by the dev team in the past. To clear any doubt, try and search for a project called asobi. They lied and told bounty hunters their token will be distributed in batches up till date many of us didn't get the token. Its been 2 years now.

What happened? The dego team changed the payment terms for a 100-day smart contract on the last day. Also, payments will not be made directly to the hunters ' wallet, but through the team's platform. gas fee fully fall on the hunters. And if you take into account the cost of the gas fee, many hunters will not get anything.

Bounty topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountydegofinance-defi-with-sustainability-100000-dego-tokenclosed-5272474

Website:
https://dego.finance/home

Manager:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fatemablabla-1110071
https://t.me/fatemabounty

Message from Dego team: https://t.me/fatemabounty/12004