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Quote from: chup on October 09, 2016, 03:57:44 AM

Quote from: QuintLeo on October 09, 2016, 03:21:43 AM

ASIC USB sticks are a lot more efficient though - and none of THEM are profitable any more except the Moonlander and possibly the Gekko *IF* your electric is cheap enough.

As far as I understand, it's not about competing ASIC, but competing PC CPUs in CPU mining algos. Nice idea, should take into consideration competition from Raspberry PI clones:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Best-Seller-Orange-Pi-One-SET-1-Orange-Pi-One-USB-to-DC-4-0MM-1/32640573188.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.219.3KEqml&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10056_10065_10055_10068_10054_10069_10059_10073_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=75bf570c-89e9-40ba-b56f-1593083d2e00
On top of this it should be added uSD card, heatsinks, fans...

This is essentially what the idea is based off of, if we could just get the cpu and not need the power supply, micro sd card and what not and able to fit it on a standard usb style stick and powered hub that allows the addition of many more this has the possibility to be competitive.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on October 08, 2016, 05:12:43 PM

Those "low cost processors" STILL eat power - and have very poor performance per watt vs. ASIC (where available).
They might be competative on a per-watt basis vs conventional CPUs, but there doesn't seem to be enough of a market to JUST add on a "CPU + RAM" to make the things viable - and you ARE going to need the RAM to be able to mine with them, at which point any potential cost savings drops to near nothing on a hash/$ and hash/watt basis vs existing multi-core server CPUs on existing motherboards.

It's going to get worse once AMD starts releasing "Zen" CPUs with 16+ cores per CPU package/chip late this year or early next year.

The idea is there would be a micro computer controller, these usually carry 2-4gb of ram, the idea is these would each increase the hashrate per stick. So say you have a $70 windows mini pc as the controller and a powered usb hub with the usb sticks. A row of asic sticks would hopefully allow you to be competitive on a $/Hashrate level. The idea isn't exactly for now it is for the future and zen, zen is nothing in the cpu world. It already is only rumored to compete with i5's not i7's, a 16 thread 8 core cpu isn't as impressive as it used to be.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on October 09, 2016, 03:21:43 AM

ASIC USB sticks are a lot more efficient though - and none of THEM are profitable any more except the Moonlander and possibly the Gekko *IF* your electric is cheap enough.

As far as I understand, it's not about competing ASIC, but competing PC CPUs in CPU mining algos. Nice idea, should take into consideration competition from Raspberry PI clones:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Best-Seller-Orange-Pi-One-SET-1-Orange-Pi-One-USB-to-DC-4-0MM-1/32640573188.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.219.3KEqml&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10056_10065_10055_10068_10054_10069_10059_10073_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=75bf570c-89e9-40ba-b56f-1593083d2e00
On top of this it should be added uSD card, heatsinks, fans...

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Quote from: kingcolex on October 08, 2016, 05:16:54 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on October 08, 2016, 05:12:43 PM

Those "low cost processors" STILL eat power - and have very poor performance per watt vs. ASIC (where available).
They might be competative on a per-watt basis vs conventional CPUs, but there doesn't seem to be enough of a market to JUST add on a "CPU + RAM" to make the things viable - and you ARE going to need the RAM to be able to mine with them, at which point any potential cost savings drops to near nothing on a hash/$ and hash/watt basis vs existing multi-core server CPUs on existing motherboards.

It's going to get worse once AMD starts releasing "Zen" CPUs with 16+ cores per CPU package/chip late this year or early next year.

The idea is there would be a micro computer controller, these usually carry 2-4gb of ram, the idea is these would each increase the hashrate per stick. So say you have a $70 windows mini pc as the controller and a powered usb hub with the usb sticks. A row of asic sticks would hopefully allow you to be competitive on a $/Hashrate level. The idea isn't exactly for now it is for the future and zen, zen is nothing in the cpu world. It already is only rumored to compete with i5's not i7's, a 16 thread 8 core cpu isn't as impressive as it used to be.

ASIC USB sticks are a lot more efficient though - and none of THEM are profitable any more except the Moonlander and possibly the Gekko *IF* your electric is cheap enough.

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Those "low cost processors" STILL eat power - and have very poor performance per watt vs. ASIC (where available).
They might be competative on a per-watt basis vs conventional CPUs, but there doesn't seem to be enough of a market to JUST add on a "CPU + RAM" to make the things viable - and you ARE going to need the RAM to be able to mine with them, at which point any potential cost savings drops to near nothing on a hash/$ and hash/watt basis vs existing multi-core server CPUs on existing motherboards.

It's going to get worse once AMD starts releasing "Zen" CPUs with 16+ cores per CPU package/chip late this year or early next year.

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The CPUs available on sticks are all rather low performance with low memory available on the stick and the STICK prices are expen$$$ive.

Those CPUS also eat a lot more power for their POOR performance than ASIC do.

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