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Quote from: iv4n on June 11, 2019, 01:16:43 AM

Quote from: libert19 on June 10, 2019, 10:18:22 PM

Quote from: ikicha on June 08, 2019, 01:45:28 PM

I using 2 motherboard from Chinese, ASRock and Asus (Taiwan) . I have no problem when use this motherboard for over 1 years. If you have problem with this motherboard, just return (if you still have guarantee)

Yes, but brands you are talking about are reputed (albeit Chinese) and well known for quality.

Chinese are making everything today, they are making huge quantities and that`s why they are cheaper. Quality of Chinese products is always questionable. I bought many times some Chinese junk, and many times I said I will never buy nothing Chinese again, but I still make mistakes, it`s what I can afford. I just have one rule, don`t give too much money for something Chinese, and if it stops working after sometime just throw it away and buy another.

The Chinese are smart. They produce large quantities of junk at low prices because they know us Western dimwits will buy it. Just look at the toys or electronics departments of the large stores around you. They're full with Chinese crap and full with people buying it.

The Chinese are able to do high quality stuff for themselves. Just look at their highway network... or the massive infrastructural wonders they've built lately...

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Quote from: libert19 on June 10, 2019, 10:18:22 PM

Quote from: ikicha on June 08, 2019, 01:45:28 PM

I using 2 motherboard from Chinese, ASRock and Asus (Taiwan) . I have no problem when use this motherboard for over 1 years. If you have problem with this motherboard, just return (if you still have guarantee)

Yes, but brands you are talking about are reputed (albeit Chinese) and well known for quality.

Chinese are making everything today, they are making huge quantities and that`s why they are cheaper. Quality of Chinese products is always questionable. I bought many times some Chinese junk, and many times I said I will never buy nothing Chinese again, but I still make mistakes, it`s what I can afford. I just have one rule, don`t give too much money for something Chinese, and if it stops working after sometime just throw it away and buy another.

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Quote from: ikicha on June 08, 2019, 01:45:28 PM

I using 2 motherboard from Chinese, ASRock and Asus (Taiwan) . I have no problem when use this motherboard for over 1 years. If you have problem with this motherboard, just return (if you still have guarantee)

Yes, but brands you are talking about are reputed (albeit Chinese) and well known for quality.

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really? but I wanted to order it from aliexpress...

Dont do that. Everything is fake. If you are planning to invest money in mining then go for reputed products. All chinese products are shit even the toys . Personally I dont buy and give my child a toy if its manufactured in China . Instead you can prefer Korea or Japan products. They are very durable.

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Did anyone doubt that? I always thought it wasn't the best motherboard supplier. How did you even decide to buy them?

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I bought four of the low-end model Octominer built from their very first pre-order batch around 2 years ago now I believe. They've all been working great for me but perhaps I simply got lucky as I've heard similar complaints as the OP's from others that purchased on a larger scale. I only connected two of the 6-pin connections to the motherboard which is what they list as the minimum. Perhaps that limited the power the board was delivering to the pci-e slots, maybe I really did just get lucky on my four boards. All I know is that if they had fit in the server chassis I had built I would have bought at least 100 more.

Bottom line is I would rather deal with finicky motherboards (which I didn't even experience. They were plug and play for me) that I know will work once setup as opposed to 8x miserable risers that even after I finally get connected properly will eventually die in unpredictable ways giving seriously cryptic errors.

-TBT

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I using 2 motherboard from Chinese, ASRock and Asus (Taiwan) . I have no problem when use this motherboard for over 1 years. If you have problem with this motherboard, just return (if you still have guarantee)

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Quote from: swogerino on June 08, 2019, 01:00:36 PM

I have only used an Onda 8 slot riserless motherboard with a really old processor which it had built in if I recall it correctly and it worked great with Linux.Windows just doesn't works well with these kind of motherboards so I think the Os in these boards make a lot of difference.

Linux can run on practically anything and does not require a whole lot of resources to do so. There are some very lightweight distroes out there that does just that job, and does it well.

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I have only used an Onda 8 slot riserless motherboard with a really old processor which it had built in if I recall it correctly and it worked great with Linux.Windows just doesn't works well with these kind of motherboards so I think the Os in these boards make a lot of difference.

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Rather dubious. I used them for a year and did not notice any special problems. Maybe it's a matter of chance?

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Haha hold on man, you'll get what you want;) i just know how it feels when nothing really works as it should have been and you only
waste time yelling at your equipment. from my experience not all Chinese motherboards are pure piece of nonsense, as well as not all ""famous"" ones are
great and cost their money. It's a matter of luck to pick up a decent motherboard when marketing is here to deceive you.

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Been also using that before and yes its also from it then I bought a new motherboard with a higher price and specs compared to my previous board. I think it will vary based on the price and not all that came from China is shit some are really too good to be true.

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Quote from: maldini on May 13, 2019, 12:59:59 AM

Quote from: cepot9 on May 08, 2019, 02:18:02 AM

Some quality products are produced in China so you can't deduce all Chinese products are bad. price will also say the quality obtained, maybe you buy a brand that is of ordinary quality and low price

Indeed, not all Chinese goods are bad and prices also affect quality, but what I know is that Chinese goods are known to be quality goods. I used to buy a lot of stuff from there and everything was damaged quickly.
It's better to choose other items because there are still many similar items that have better quality.

Aren't most things produced in China these days? I'm sure some of the chinese home brands will better their quality as the years go by. Maybe China will be the new Japan in 10 years time in good quality terms.

I was taught that if you buy cheap you will get shit. In China, you can buy good products, but they will cost much more than what they offer at low prices.

It's common sense that you get what you pay for. The good stuff has always been more expensive than the bad cheap stuff.
I get a feeling some vendors will first try to sell you the cheap crappy stuff, then you come back some time later and buy the good stuff. That way they can sell more and make even more money off of you.

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Quote from: vincl on April 15, 2019, 02:51:11 AM

are you talking about the riserless 8GPU mobos? or what?

Exactly what I'm talking about, these things were made with such old bios and made so finicky that they constantly have problems.

I once got a friend that boasted of mining cryptocurrencies on his Chinese phone, despite dissuations on the facts that the phone runs on an mtk device with low computing power, he went ahead to mine but got his phone totally fried

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Quote from: Beyerd17 on May 13, 2019, 01:51:58 AM

Quote from: maldini on May 13, 2019, 12:59:59 AM

Quote from: cepot9 on May 08, 2019, 02:18:02 AM

Some quality products are produced in China so you can't deduce all Chinese products are bad. price will also say the quality obtained, maybe you buy a brand that is of ordinary quality and low price

Indeed, not all Chinese goods are bad and prices also affect quality, but what I know is that Chinese goods are known to be quality goods. I used to buy a lot of stuff from there and everything was damaged quickly.
It's better to choose other items because there are still many similar items that have better quality.

Aren't most things produced in China these days? I'm sure some of the chinese home brands will better their quality as the years go by. Maybe China will be the new Japan in 10 years time in good quality terms.

I was taught that if you buy cheap you will get shit. In China, you can buy good products, but they will cost much more than what they offer at low prices.

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Quote from: maldini on May 13, 2019, 12:59:59 AM

Quote from: cepot9 on May 08, 2019, 02:18:02 AM

Some quality products are produced in China so you can't deduce all Chinese products are bad. price will also say the quality obtained, maybe you buy a brand that is of ordinary quality and low price

Indeed, not all Chinese goods are bad and prices also affect quality, but what I know is that Chinese goods are known to be quality goods. I used to buy a lot of stuff from there and everything was damaged quickly.
It's better to choose other items because there are still many similar items that have better quality.

Aren't most things produced in China these days? I'm sure some of the chinese home brands will better their quality as the years go by. Maybe China will be the new Japan in 10 years time in good quality terms.

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Quote from: cepot9 on May 08, 2019, 02:18:02 AM

Some quality products are produced in China so you can't deduce all Chinese products are bad. price will also say the quality obtained, maybe you buy a brand that is of ordinary quality and low price

Indeed, not all Chinese goods are bad and prices also affect quality, but what I know is that Chinese goods are known to be quality goods. I used to buy a lot of stuff from there and everything was damaged quickly.
It's better to choose other items because there are still many similar items that have better quality.

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Quote from: dragonmike on May 07, 2019, 03:42:18 PM

To be honest, it doesn't matter if the bios is shit.
These boards were built to mine 24/7 on, and not to have highly advanced tinker-happy bioses. Set it up and forget about it, basically.

hell I had 3 models 6 slot or 8 slot I used smos. everyone I kept still works.

I broke one due to my own stupidity.

I sold most of the 25 I purchased. Some buyers struggled because they insisted on running them with windows when I sold them I said don't run them with windows they run well with smos.

I think op is trying to get more from the board then he should be doing .. all my 8 slot units ran great with 4-6 cards set at 200 watts a piece.

I am only running 2 boards each with 4 cards in alternate slots lots of breathing room and have 4 or 5 sitting idle.

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Eerrh!! Ah well, I think you should do a little "contact-your-maunfaturer" exercise because personally I know China has the best mining products in the space. Moreover, many of the best minimal companies manufacture their products there. And also be careful where you buy your chips from, many people do "fake" products in the name if China. I'm from Africa and I have experienced many of such before even though they weren't from China.

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Owing to previous experiences with Chinese Mining motherboards I don't think I will agree with you on this. Maybe you were a victim of defective product which can't be intentional (humans are prone to mistakes) as China growing tremendously in the world of blockchain won't stoop too low as to tarnish their image. Maybe you can contact the manufacturers to lay your complains.
Sorry for your loss.

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Onda- I only heard a problems with that brand from the days of the iPad clone Tablets, they always released not finished product and constantly releasing new Revision since release and you would stuck with buggy tablet with no support.
What about better Brand like Colorful ?

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Quote from: JaredKaragen on May 10, 2019, 04:52:51 AM

I haven't had a single issue with my Onda B250-D8P V1.0; and manu others have had similar results with Onda boards.... My board takes a normal 1151 cpu, and one sodimm of ram...

I had plenty of problems with that... Over 15 dead boards out of 60 over 2 year period. Whenever I did RMAs, half of them return with the same issue. To the point where I don't bother returning boards with 3-4 dead slots, just use them with the remaining slots.

If there's a similarly priced alternative, I will be getting it.

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I think all my motherboard i ever used to build any mining rig is " made in china " including all the Asus b250 Mining Expert i ever used for my builds and for my customers. Never had any issues or problems what i was not able to fix, or working out things with the manufacturer . yes computer parts die sometimes, but warranty should be cover any issues you have Wink

Just a short static from the past year(2018):
42 Nitro RX480 died ( covered under warranty ) - most of my cards are nitros, so thats why the number looks high

3 xfx rx 480 died ( covered under warranty )
1 msi rx 480 died ( covered under warranty )
1 Asrock Mobo H97 anniversary died ( not covered under warranty )
1 msi z97 gaming mobo died ( not covered under warranty)
2 EVGA 1600 t2 psu died ( covered under warranty (10 years) )
2 corsair 1500 psu died ( covered under warranty )
Lot of bitmain PSU died ( not covered under warranty )

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Most times in every production line, defective products might get passed unknowingly. I think before you conclude on this, you are meant to checkout other using same mining motherboard to be sure the problem is from the materials used etc. I have friends who have been using Chinese products and they really seem okay with it.

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Quote from: kingcolex on April 14, 2019, 10:25:49 PM

A word or caution, even the Lexus of these turds are terrible. There is always an issue, they're finicky as hell, the bios are old and outdated. Stay away from the pieces of shit, just buy a reputable motherboard maker, a cheap cpu and a server case if that was your plan. Use good risers and forget all about that terrible Chinese shit.

Sincerely a mad motherfucker who's had enough of this bullshit and is buying a new server case and listing the Chinese shit tonight.

I haven't had a single issue with my Onda B250-D8P V1.0; and manu others have had similar results with Onda boards.... My board takes a normal 1151 cpu, and one sodimm of ram...

...it is still chewing away xmr like a champ.

The all in one, or "backplane type" cheap chinese units are hit and miss; typically for the lack of good 12V rails feeding the PCIE ports or poor build quality/lack of Q&A. I would say that in my endeavors; I have had just as much problem with them, as i've had with riser setups as well.... the onda has been lightyears above the rest.

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It was just a coincidence that you got a defective motherboard from a Chinese market. It's very unfair to generalise the Chinese market as bad. China is one of the top counties doing great in technology. A lot of people have postive reviews about the China market.

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The Chinese market is very large. There are many foundries in the production of motherboards. The quality of the products is good and the quality of the products is poor. Need to distinguish. Just like the altcoin. There are good and bad.

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I suggest when you want to assemble a computer to be used as mining cryptocurrency then you should be able to read in advance what specifications are needed and ask people who are experienced here so that you can buy what is needed and will not be disappointed like this.

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I quite agree what has been put above. What you mentioned might be a nightmare to you, but still, there are some good Chinese made motherboard out there.
Just like the saying, you get what you paid.

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I always try to get 'name' motherboards like ASUS, even if it is just for mining in case I ever want to resell to a gamer down the track.

Probably not the best approach for professional setups where you are trying to cut costs, but I think quality helps in the long run, particularly as motherboards don't really need upgrades.

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Some quality products are produced in China so you can't deduce all Chinese products are bad. price will also say the quality obtained, maybe you buy a brand that is of ordinary quality and low price

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Quote from: kingcolex on April 14, 2019, 10:25:49 PM

A word or caution, even the Lexus of these turds are terrible. There is always an issue, they're finicky as hell, the bios are old and outdated. Stay away from the pieces of shit, just buy a reputable motherboard maker, a cheap cpu and a server case if that was your plan. Use good risers and forget all about that terrible Chinese shit.

Sincerely a mad motherfucker who's had enough of this bullshit and is buying a new server case and listing the Chinese shit tonight.

So what Chinese brand are we talking about here exactly? Maybe you were just unlucky and got a defective motherboard. What motherboards would you say are the worst that we should avoid like the plague?

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Quote from: EdvinZ on May 07, 2019, 12:22:50 PM

Probably, you just have a negative experience using a motherboard from some company. Perhaps even just a manufacturing defect. As correctly noted in the posts above, even the global non-Chinese brands produce their products in China. Perhaps you should follow the advice of experienced people when choosing a motherboard to get the most positive experience of using them.

Yes, most of those famous brand names are being made in China in terms of manpower but with the materials been used would really vary and so as with their respective quality check on the end.

There are still good Chinese brands but it seems OP is already done with it. Grin

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To be honest, it doesn't matter if the bios is shit.
These boards were built to mine 24/7 on, and not to have highly advanced tinker-happy bioses. Set it up and forget about it, basically.

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Probably, you just have a negative experience using a motherboard from some company. Perhaps even just a manufacturing defect. As correctly noted in the posts above, even the global non-Chinese brands produce their products in China. Perhaps you should follow the advice of experienced people when choosing a motherboard to get the most positive experience of using them.

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Perhaps these were the bends of the motherboard. But among the Chinese boards there are quite decent ones. It should be remembered that even non-chinese brands are often produced in China. Often we pay for a brand produced in the same factory where nameless hardware is produced.

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Sometimes it may have picked up a bad batch motherboard, already happened to me, both with motherboard and other peripherals.
I have already used several motherboards from different vendors, and I see no difference.

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are you talking about the riserless 8GPU mobos? or what?

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