Deposited to mtgox via OKpay Can i claim it?

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Quote from: Test User on February 25, 2014, 09:31:45 AM

SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

Not if the bank decide they want to reverse it, then it's very reversable. And you have absolutely nothing to say in that case, unless you're loaded as hell and can afford expensive lawyers, or if you are some 'big name'.

I don't know the technicalities, but even if it's meant not to be technically reversible, the bank always have their way of having things done their way - trust me.

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Check this thread for OKPAY class action lawsuit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/okpay-class-action-lawsuit-for-mtgox-depositors-740210

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Quote from: depechebtc on April 28, 2014, 01:05:29 PM

Quote from: MinerLT on April 27, 2014, 02:49:04 PM

they are still working on the solution for this situation

When did you receive that message?

On april 27. They are still working i still believe that i can get my mtgox deposits back

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Quote from: MinerLT on April 27, 2014, 02:49:04 PM

they are still working on the solution for this situation

When did you receive that message?

MinerLT

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they are still working on the solution for this situation

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Same question: what's going on with OKpay?

MinerLT

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is there any news about okpay ?? Undecided

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Any updates what's going on with okpay

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Quote from: Serpens66 on March 17, 2014, 07:41:41 AM

an example: someone sent me money from a pished bank account. After some months the bank forced me to send the money back. So I had to send the money, they were not able to reverse it and I could have said "no" (but with legal consequences)

What's the difference in practice?

The bank is bigger, stronger, has more lawyers, more connections - they can force you into basically anything.

So if a SEPA transfer is technically reversible or not is uninteresting, it's the end outcome that's interesting.

Everything is tracked. Who owns an account, where's the money transferred. So it's rather easy to claw it back. Of course, there will always be some escape artists, but usually the bank gets their way. Banks tends to become quite pushy when someone owes them money.

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Quote from: TheFootMan on March 17, 2014, 07:36:04 AM

Quote from: Test User on February 25, 2014, 09:31:45 AM

SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

I'm not familiar with the details of the SEPA protocol, but in practice a bank can do anything they want with a transfer. Also reverse it, and it has happened numerous times, for instance when the initiating bank has a customer complaining that he did not initiate the transfer (being true or not).

For instance if you're a victim of someone sending money to your account from a stolen account, or someone just claiming that they never autorized the transaction to your account, your bank might shut you down and even report you to the authorities.

So in reality SEPA is fully reversable.

nope. SEPA is reversable if the funds did not reach the other bank account yet. If it reached the other bankaccount you need the permission from MtGox in this case.

an example: someone sent me money from a pished bank account. After some months the bank forced me to send the money back. So I had to send the money, they were not able to reverse it and I could have said "no" (but with legal consequences)

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Quote from: Test User on February 25, 2014, 09:31:45 AM

SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

I'm not familiar with the details of the SEPA protocol, but in practice a bank can do anything they want with a transfer. Also reverse it, and it has happened numerous times, for instance when the initiating bank has a customer complaining that he did not initiate the transfer (being true or not).

For instance if you're a victim of someone sending money to your account from a stolen account, or someone just claiming that they never autorized the transaction to your account, your bank might shut you down and even report you to the authorities.

So in reality SEPA is fully reversable.

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Reply from okpay support

As you know all OKPAY payments are non-reversible according with our Terms of Service:
https://www.okpay.com/en/company/agreements/terms-of-service.html
OKPAY Inc. and MtGox Co Ltd. Companies have a contractual relationship. The decision to reverse the payments can not be done solely by OKPAY without violating our agreements. However we are working on the solution for this situation. As soon as we resolve this in cooperation with MtGox Co Ltd. we will let our clients know.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

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Quote from: David48l on March 13, 2014, 04:09:22 PM

Hello, thank you for contacting OKPAY Support!
Our lawyers are currently investigating this issue. We will keep our clients updated. But when they will keep updated? Never?

i hope soon-ish Embarrassed

life is getting complicated with almost no money in your pocket Undecided

i have bills to pay!

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Quote from: MinerLT on March 13, 2014, 02:59:43 PM

i hear that some banks has returned funds to customers.. so i think and i hope okpay can do the same.. coz i send money to nowhere, gox account was never credited..
but why they need lawyers ?? can they just click button "reverse transaction" or something like this. all funds still in the internal MtGox account in the OKPAY System.

is simple but prefer to stay with our money

David48l

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Hello, thank you for contacting OKPAY Support!
Our lawyers are currently investigating this issue. We will keep our clients updated. But when they will keep updated? Never?

MinerLT

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i hear that some banks has returned funds to customers.. so i think and i hope okpay can do the same.. coz i send money to nowhere, gox account was never credited..
but why they need lawyers ?? can they just click button "reverse transaction" or something like this. all funds still in the internal MtGox account in the OKPAY System.

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Forget my English. I just wrote something very quickly, so I can possibly point to it later (I felt it's a wasted time and effort to contact them at this poin).

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Hy,

I heard from a lot of people on various internet forums that they asked OkPay if they can revert their payments made to MT.Gox (www.mtgox.com - Magical Tux Gothering of Exchange - a Bitcoin cryptocurrency-fiat money exchange site) and got an answer that OkPay's lawyers are looking into it.

I was one of those people who sent fiat money to Mt.Gox to buy Bitcoin but could never actually rceive their Bitcoins because the whole site got shutdown and now the company filed for bankruptcy, etc.

As of this moment, I don't wish to make any requests for anything else but information.
I wish to be notified if OkPay can do and/or willing to do anything like that (reverting the fiat money transactions) or not.

Until it's clear to me what I can possibly do, I don't demand my money back. I would prefer to receive my Bitcoins. And only if I can't get my Bitcoins, I might want to get my money back.
3/11/2014 11:01 PM GMT

Their full answer way only this:

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Hello, thank you for contacting OKPAY Support!
Our lawyers are currently investigating this issue. We will keep our clients updated.

depechebtc

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Same here — Did you guys get any updates?

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We should pool together the facts from the messages we receive from OKPAY.

I was not told specifically that lawyers are involved, but I did receive the following:

As you already know the largest MtGox bitcoin exchange (www.mtgox.com) ceased any trading activity and the website is no longer available for public.

Unfortunately, at the present moment we do not have any exact information on the situation with the MtGox. We will get in touch with the company management and monitor further course of events.

We want to assure you that your recent payments are on the internal MtGox account in the OKPAY System, and, if the MtGox company cease to exist without fulfilling its obligations to customers, we will send your recent payments back to your OKPAY account; so your funds will not be lost or stuck without any reason when we receive a confirmed report on the situation.

We will appeal to MtGox to address this issue and keep you abreast of the situation. We will do everything possible to ensure that our clients either receive the service they paid for or get their money back to the OKPAY account.

and then...

Hello, we have not receive required information yet. Please do not worry, the issue will be resolved. Either the MtGox will return the money or we will.
Thank you

and then...

Hello
Please note that we will warn you if there will be any progress in solving this situation.
We kindly ask you to wait.
Thank you.

Has anyone received anything substantially different? Could someone post an example of the message including the bit about OKPAY having their lawyer involved?

Thanks

PoCoMo

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Huge news if OKPay can get our money back!!!! I used them too!

MinerLT

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confirm. got reply from support that their lawyers working on this

negerkolle

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I hear OKpay have their lawyers looking into it. Would not expect too much though...

MinerLT

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MinerLT

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Do you guys think okpay can reverse funds back ?? I send 6000usd with okpay

lopman

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Quote from: Cubic Earth on February 26, 2014, 08:51:14 AM

Quote from: lopman on February 26, 2014, 05:34:25 AM

Thanks Test User, I am talking with the bank.
Cubic Earth: my english is not good enought to understand your comment

I sent a wire transfer on Monday. On Tuesday it was returned to my bank account.

Really? It was a SEPA or international transfer? It was to a polland bank? And you didn't apply?
Thanks for your answer.

Plum

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I deposited USD 5,000 via OkPay the day before the site was taken offline. Thanks for the info I will contact OkPay now.

willope

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Well, I have claimed my money, this is the answer: https://i.imgur.com/apsr5yP.png?1
For now I don´t know how will end this story but this answer reassures me a little bit. And can be a hope for some people who recently deposited via Okpay to MadGox.

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Quote from: lopman on February 26, 2014, 05:34:25 AM

Thanks Test User, I am talking with the bank.
Cubic Earth: my english is not good enought to understand your comment

I sent a wire transfer on Monday. On Tuesday it was returned to my bank account.

lopman

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Thanks Test User, I am talking with the bank.
Cubic Earth: my english is not good enought to understand your comment

Cubic Earth

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FWIW, I sent a $250 wire to Mt. Gox first thing Monday morning morning (US EST), and it has already been credited back to my account. Citibank took $30 for the send and $30 for the receive, but the full $250 was credited back as an incoming wire. I took no action other than sending the wire.

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SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

If the recipient of the money is insolvent, then it may be impossible to get all (or any) of your money back.

lopman

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Same problem with SEPA transfer

willope

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A few days ago i deposited all my money to my Mtgox account, supposing its just a teemporary problem of withdrawal and finally i make some profit(yes, i am greedy and so, thats not the question). Can I claim my money on OKpay saying that the site just dissapeared and I never had my money where i sent?

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