Topic: Dev and team, show some care (Read 441 times)

Truly I agreed and support your statement on this one dude, Developers mostly are only kind and understanding to their community especially for the bounty hunters in the beginning only. Then, once the bounty is done and successful some of them will make a drama that they need to extend their campaign even it is not in the plan from the beginning. But to be honest without the bounty hunters developers won't get a big fund from the community investors however in the end even the hunters they got scam to their work and effort promoting the campaign project.

I have sincerely thought bounty Hunters are not well spoken of too, as if there is much ridicule on hunters, but I later discovered that it's not all managers the treat hunters carelessly and ofcourse there are some who treat and respond to Hunter as if they are of no value to bounty. You and I know some of them.without mentioning names. We tend to have the least share of distribution but we still deserve a good look, because we are also promoters of projects for good.

Bounty Detective I think a good manager too, I have participated in 1 bounty that they manage and get results, although not big, but the thing that is lacking about managers is that participants are not limited, generating small income

julerz12 does not currently hold a bounty campaign, bubbalex holds, but he always uses participant limits so it seems that opportunity to join does not exist, actually joining bounties other than those that are managed is also good for example BountyDetective, Murat and also other bounty managers. only thing to see is the project they manage whether it will be good going forward, and also whether they will pay the rewards as promised

To avoid bad treatments from new projects team you should stick with reputable bounty managers like julerz12 or bubbalex, only projects that are managed by team always ends up been dubious

Not a big issue many people is looking for those cheater even tagged them if proven that they cheat one of the bounty campaign . The reason why they don't pay is because they have plan to not  pay participants in the first day they starting it.

There is always a way to find those cheaters but not giving them payment is a problem since not all of the participants cheat.

If a project doing this they deserve to be tagged and even giving a flag for the project. it will destroy the reputation of the project but,they deserve it its the result of not giving the right payment for those participants  that completed the job.

You hit the nail on the head. I'm in full agreement with your position. Some developers are busy looking out for Scammers in the industry when they're the actual Scammer. When bounty hunters carry out their tasks as agreed and developers choose not to fulfil their obligations, by not paying the agreed amount, they should be called scammers.

it does look very trivial once this work, such as making posts, tweets, blogs, articles, content, but behind it all there is actually a big role that is not too visible. maybe what will be seen is the dev team and investors. but bounty hunters are also important, because with a bounty hunter, a project will be widespread and thus further increase the opportunity to increase the number of investors.

The reward that will have received by the hunters totally depends on the price of token. If you were thinking the allocation is too small and you can join in another project that was offering better allocation for the campaign.

Projects team and devs started behaving this way when hunters started cheating by creating multiple accounts and getting caught through wallet pooling. This has destroyed the credibility of the innocent ones. I do believe alot of projects are taking advantage of this to not pay even the good ones which is unacceptable. Escrow has helped with this but still team has the last say when it comes to distribution. It's good that bounty managers are also filtering out cheaters to minimize such act.

you said the mistreat came from the project team and not from bounty managers so why suggest join a popular manager ? didnt you know that popular managers can also be strict  .  on the outside world when we work there are also bosses that does the same  but we dont complain and we still continue working because we need a job   . work hard and when you become succesful you wouldnt know that someday you and those who treat you bad cross your paths but this time they are now the poor here that applies to your company , you might also want to reject them and accept them and to the same thing they did on you before .

The mistreat from few projects team are not a new thing, it's something you should be expecting from time to time because we are all human and we can't expect everyone to treat us right, it's just human nature, when such happens it's better to move on or it's safer to join Campaigns from popular bounty managers

therefore join the bounty program that has an escrow, now many good bounty managers here,
if there is an Escrow all depends on the bounty manager, but for the issue of prices ,market that determine

Well that truly reflects their real intention to the project aswell,a project that abandons the people that does many favour to them such as promotion is just simply untrustable and have higher potential of becoming a scam so people should be aware.

Who ever you are I feel your pain, this is something I don't want to experience at all when joining bounty projects, I want to be so careful that I won't end up promoting bad projects from bad teams, I know bounties are all on lucks but I do deep research and I tend to keep it this way

Bounty hunters should bring the change, project team are fine now they are getting people to promote their project no matter how cheap they treat the hunters that where the problem lies about.Many good projects moved from bounty promotions because they feel it as ineffective way of promoting their projects so they spend real money on promoting those worthy projects which means most of the remaining bounties are just useless.

projects that think like that are projects that only try not to pay bounty hunters, they are only trying to take bounty hunter allocations so they can get more money, but by the way I can't imagine if the advisory team, blockchain technologists, marketers, and CEOs . post or retweet, then who develops the project

Its a fact that not all dev/team has concern to bounty hunters. What matters to them is their project to gain popularity and have an investors who will support their project.

Hunters are not their priority, they can even give an excuse to delay the rewards or worse would not give what they deserve. Of course this depends on the project because those dev who are true to their promises wont act like that especially if they are legit.

THIS IS SO TRUE! As a bounty hunter, I sometimes feel like I have to beg them to have the job. This is the win-win relationship, I do my job get the money, they pay the money get the reputations and advertised. I'll be more than happy if the project team or the bounty managers show us some cares whenever we need them to solve our problems and questions!

If you are treated this bad then it's not worth working on these kinds of project, even if they looked legit but treated bounty hunters cheap workers, this is not the kind of characters worth supporting if only bounty hunters will unite and don't support this kind of project and let them do their stuff themselves.

I suppose that finding the justice between bounty hunters and manager bounty of project is very difficulty because good projects which really bring income for bounty hunters is quite few, meanwhile bad and scam projects are a lot.

If dev and team are actually treating bounty hunters like this then it is bad. Everyone must learn to respect each one another in the business of cryptocurrencies. We are all working for the development of cryptocurrencies and blockchain in general. No one is not important be it dev, team and bounty hunters.

Worst, they really don't care. They didn't even try to limit the number of participants to a fixed amount so every bounty hunters stake is very low. If you voice out this problem, they shut you down with: "If you don't like it, leave". Gosh I just wish bounty hunters should quiting that bounty campaign all sudden to left them stave.

if you may know what the project is, as far as I know, a good project considers bounty hunter and airdrop hunter to be part of the community,
all projects that I know of like that, even Ethereum, are unfortunate if the project does not give respect to bounty hunters

The guarantee that the project will move to another level once they've finished the IEO's  are much clearer with teams who
really have decent fund. They can continue and show progress, while with every bounties, the chance of getting paid with decent amount are less as the developing teams are also not getting the fund that they've aiming.

Supply and demand. There is so little project with bounty today so more and more bounty campaigns become out of touch with reality since so many participants in their campaign. Wish the market gone back to stable again we dont have to deal with abuse from bounty campaigns.

indeed at this time there is no bounty campaign that can provide a large fee because no one is interested anymore in a cryptocurrency project so that many projects fail, many prefer to use the IEO method because that way can provide a lot of profit and there guarantee from the place of exchange.

Sometimes I keep wondering why bounty hunters are been  treated worse as if project teams are giving them money for free but I can't find a good answer to this, all I can share with bounty hunters is to pick Projects more wisely and stay away from bounties that aren't transparency

what is more unfortunate is that the payments given to bounty hunters are now too small without thinking of the efforts made by bounty hunters in promoting their project advertisements.

Underrating comes after bounty hunters complete their work, such CEO only plans to use and dump bounty hunters, the only way to make them pay is using social media to spread what they did, this will harm their project in every way

Always remember that not all team will be bad, few good ones are among the bad ones, if you want to be treated fair in every bounties you want to join make sure the bounty project is been managed by popular bounty managers that takes bounty hunters very serious

I don't know why CEO's are underating bounty hunters, without bounty hunters promoting them with all their social media accounts, I don't think the project can go anywhere far, as we all know promotion is the key. They should all stop looking down in hunters and see the profession as a very important one.

Bounty hunters are still too passive and submissive. For example, recently I participated in a campaign with a quite big allocation of rewards which should run for 4 weeks. After a week the team decided to cancel it and lower the original allocation to 3,3% of the original promised amount. The logical and fair allocation would be 25% of the original one, but they did not receive enough push-back to change their decision. The campaign has had 100s of participants and only a few of them expressed their opposition to team's decision. No "scam accusation" thread on Bitcointalk and no real push-back outside of the bounty campaign's Telegram channel. Bounty hunters have to realize they have more power, especially when they come together and act as a whole.

Well, not all of them. Some might have been the way you say it. But there are some pretty good project teams out there who take their hunters seriously. It is even more obvious when the bounty is being managed by a good bounty manager.

As per the project teams that take bounty hunters as trash, they hardly do well. A good project team should understand that the bounty hunters are helping promote their project. If they think it’s cheap to do and don’t acknowledge the benefits that come with it, then they have a problem with their PR.

From my observation, most of those projects that have taken their bounty hunters seriously have gone on to prosper.

No wonder so many new projects have fooled the bounty hunter, fraud done in various ways do not pay at all, cut the allocation even tokens in lock until there is no time limit, I personally in this case carefully choose bounty want to follow

Without bounty hunters or bounty participants, the project will go to waste. I don't think it is reasonable enough to treat those bounty hunters as trash as you've said. Respect is the key for both the teams and participants for the project to go smooth.

If there are BM's, devs and teams that are mistreating bounty hunters, you can easily spot where the project is leading. Whether to be just created for fund raising or unsucessful launched project.

I don't want to be treated badly, some bounty managers are so rude that you won't pray to ever join any Campaign from such bounty managers again, bubbalex is special and bounty detective is good too, you make complains and they are always there to fix your problem

   CashbackLover you are right, Bubbalex is one of the good managers. I participated in few bounties where he
was manager and everything went fine. One of the managers who are easy to talk with, fast responses, and
he is always here when you need him.
   For me bounty manager is important figure, project that worth will choose a good manager.

Yes, that's a better choice and fair for the bounty hunters and to the bounty owners. I do remember it when most bounties are paying in bitcoin and those who paid in tokens are still worth it up to now.
That's really sad because they look down to hunters.

I can do few mistakes with few bounty projects but I will definitely start following strong bounty managers only, who loves their job and also cares about bounty hunters, one priority that bubbalex have is to make bounty hunters happy

Bounty hunters aren't respecting themselves either, at least not all of them, bounty hunters add to value or reputation to themselves, they promote projects for pennies, they have no each other's back when things goes sideways.

Well, not all teams do that, but some do it too, after making the bounty they blame it. however, sometimes investors also think like that. Well, it's just that it only happens to a few projects. however, some of the projects that I participated in made the bounty hunter in harmony with investors, it's just that investors don't like it, because they think bounty hunters make prices dump.

There are some projects treating hunter like garbage. Those who can just viewed us as money beggars. But they are wrong if werent up to us promoting their project then they cant be successful. They owe a lot from these people and thats how they treat us. I can vouch many projects are doing this kind of treatment and those are the worse one.

It's true that few bounty managers maltreat bounty hunters because there are too many cheating hunters today, I feel you but why is a bounty manager called bounty manager? To fix and fish out scammers and spammers is part of the job of a bounty manager, can anyone cheat Julerz12 bounty campaign? Of cos not

I hope this would get to developers and upcoming teams but they don't listen, what I do now to avoid all this rubbish is follow a reputable bounty manager, I don't want to promote any project that the bounty manager is part of the team, I've seen enough mistreat from project team

A good topic to be discussed and in general I think of it this way: If you don't value the people who help you in any way, how are you going to get any return? Thinking in this way we find several failed projects that only thought about themselves and forgot about the community and the promoters and hunters. What we sow we reap.

If the project is legit at all levels, they will have professional approach when dealing with bounty hunters. But for so long, it is better to join in bitcoin paying campaigns under reputable managers here. And you can never go wrong with that. But if you prefer those token paying campaigns, don't expect that you will get paid on time and according to the agreed rates.

Most of the times these projects are those that are badly executed. There are rare events of a successful project crying out about bounty hunters.
Though filtering out multiple users and plagiarized content are good for bounty hunter themselves, it's not good to blame every participants for some bots and scammers. Bounty manager ofcourse has a greater role to act both as a bridge between devs and participants as well to keep bots and scammers out of the campaign.

This has been always happening and actually no need to complain anymore. We are all bounty hunters who may have known about this happening several times. But let's see from a two-sides point of view.
1. Bounty hunter views
We have worked several weeks or months hardly to fulfill all the requirements by the BM as good as possible, avoiding spam posts and many others. But, in the middle of the campaign or at the end of the campaign, the rules changed. Well, actually they have noticed previously at the beginning that the team can change the T&C and we cannot complain for it. Moreover, after the end of the campaign, there are so many requirements addition to being given staring from KYC, fulfilling form, proof of work, and many others. And we must wait for months to get the rewards. And after waiting for months, we are excluded as the participants that accept the rewards. It hurts. Yeah, it really hurts and it may often happen so far.

2. Team perspective
However, aside from that, we must also see from the perspective of the team. They may have certain considerations why should tighten the rules and also T&C of claiming the rewards.
This is what I mean. they do this because of this kind of condition. there are so many multi-accounts that join in similar bounty campaigns and the team should clear of this. They have the data and they may also know the alt-accounts in their projects. therefore, they tighten the rules to get the rewards.

Although it may not be fair for other bounty participants that are actually honest, this is their real fact.

Moreover, after the bounty has ended, it doesn't mean that the program is ended. We must be also active to check and recheck the bounty thread announcement or in the telegram group to see the progress and also additional rules to be submitted or done by the bounty hunters. Commonly, many bounty hunters will leave the projects when it has ended and they will come back if they are no qualified for the rewards because they miss the information to do more things before the distribution.

No one can stop them, except bounty hunters have same voice or better still, except the funds to be paid to bounty hunters are escrowed, in a way in which they have no say or power to withdraw the fund.
They know that bounty hunters are very useful to their projects, yet they act as though they are nothing to them. This act will not come up at the beginning and neither will you noticeit at the middle, but immediately they get what they wanted, they begin to show attitudes.

It is now like a norm and there seems to be no solution to it. But what baffles me is that, during the bounty campaign, they don't say a word nor comment on the work been carried out but once all is over, they will now start showing their true colour such that those who never asked for kyc will then initiate one and when asked they refers the participants to the rules guiding the bounty and even at that, they might still not pay. Many projects have denied hunters there rewards for a long time now and nothing was ever said about it, at the same time there are project team who see it as nothing to reward their bounty hunters; thus one can see that it varies from team to team.

They would love to be,  but because of their greediness they Won't. Project team should be happy when their project is seeing the best light from investors. Sometimes, even when their project is successful they tend not to pay those who brought them the luck. Project team should encourage bounty hunters, either by making a compulsory escrow services available for the hunter's.

thats why if you want to join any bounty campaign, you must doing a research my friend
choose only a good bounty project with serious, professional and honest team, just my opinion

Well not every projects team/dev are same but yes now days maximum projects team/dev treat bounty hunters like a thief. When they start campaign they have not much issue but when time come for payment they trying to show many excuses. Even many projects directly scam hunters. A very good example for that is "DigitalBits" project. I heard they didn't gave bounty hunters payment from very long time and after that they scammed bounty hunters. People should be aware from this kinda project.

it wont still change the habits of some bad project teams. the only lasting solution is to have an escrow system that will have all the coins and make sure payment is done. this will save the hunters from doing a free work and also for the team to have a good job done for them.

Actually they care, but only at first when they need bounty hunters, after some time they will start ignoring your inquiries about the project development. I've experienced this a lot way back when I was bounty hunting about 2 years ago, whenever I ask something on their telegram channel they will ask you first if you are an investor or a bounty hunter, once they get to know where you belong they will transfer you to the bounty telegram channel with one UNRESPONSIVE administrator, his job? he will only post a monthly update. So I guess for now project reputation is a must for a bounty hunter, I bet you all lived with a year having less $100 on your address.

you can bet all these points, but the fact is that these creators of new altcoins do not like to pay people who sacrifice so much to promote their product and worse than most of the time these new altcoins are listed in shitty exchanges or ask for participants to do KYC, this system is very wrong


I think it’s only fair that they pay in bitcoin and weekly

Here is not intended to participate in insulting bounty hunters because I myself still participate in bounty campaign activities too, in my opinion, there are reasons why there are still many projects that insult bounty hunter

1. I think because bounty hunter is the main cause of token dump even though it depends on the allocation and liquidity project itself

2. Most bounty hunters work in spam, for example in creating article content, blogs, if you observe that 80% of the content is spin article and the level of similarity is very high on social media as well if you see Twitter tweets, Facebook status content is almost same as copywriting and I think this makes them angry

3. I think the cause they don't like bounty hunters because spam is often done especially about bounty distribution. Sometimes there are some hunters who spam main telegram project group by asking when bounty distribution. in fact, if they reading in bounty thread or in special bounty group all detail is clear.

I think bounty hunters need to help themselves. Stop doing campaign or promoting any project you do not trust the bounty manager, most of the time it is not the fault of the team or developers but the bounty managers that sell themselves cheap. Also some bounty hunters do not help matter causing unnecessary problem for the bounty managers

You should think of them that don't care with their investors. They create tokens from thin air and they have nothing to offer in real life after purchasing those tokens that they've made. Don't join them if you think that the developers of that bounty do look down to bounty hunters.
You have a choice for each opportunity that comes and not all of those opportunities can be found in bounties.

I once commented on these kinds of problems and I think the solution is in the forum administrator to force all campaigns to be paid in bitcoin and weekly to prevent these damn creators of new altcoins from taking advantage of people and then refuse to pay. if it were in the real world they would have to pay and in the real world it doesn’t work like this: "advertise my project, which I will pay later when I launch the project" so, why is this allowed here? I think this system is wrong

No one forces you to join on bounties either then why you are looking for someone to care for you.They are in such place so you actually need to move out of bounties if you don't like that being treated in that way.Make demand for the bounty hunters then they will look for the hunters or else they will treat you like this one and on.

Red pill time;

Over 50% of all bounty participants are alt accounts. This is a fact. Some are clever and make sure they can't be traced, some just don't care or have so many alts that they slip up and get caught.
Why do they do it? Greed.

Just look at latest scandal that hit the forum, Polar91 and his 100+ accounts. It took some time to expose them, but in the end, he slipped up and puzzle pieces started connecting.

So in conclusion, once you see these stats, it's hard to believe stuff around bounty. Especially when you see 10 accounts pming you, with same grammar mistakes

I'm affraid that it's not only project team to blame, but hunters as well. Some of them ruin it for the legit ones. That's the sad truth. That's why more and more projects ask for any kind of kyc.

This system has been around for a long time. When Bounty launches, they want more people to join their Bounty. This will allow them to reach more people with their project. But when it comes to bounty payments, they try to cut payments with a variety of issues. Which is a very bad thing for Bounty Hunters. I would say, before joining any bounty, one should do a good check on that project. Because if there is an unprofessional team of that project then it is understood from the beginning. They will use every system to eliminate the Hunters. So if you always support a good project, the amount of cheating is less.

Some bounty projects or bounty managers never consider others equally. The relationship between bounty hutters and bounty project is a give and take with both equally. One needs to spread the news of their crypto project so they want a lot of people to promote their crypto while one just doing their job and takes a fair share for their effort. Yes, simple give and take so both parties should come to the point to understand and respect the others.

actually they show care to all who join in their.channel. they.consider all in it as investors. However they will be showing their atitude after they will be closing the crowdsourcing period. The mood will change and will gone saying that project has failed. This is always what I hate on doing bounty campaigns. You work for few weeks or even month but they rewards you small amount or nothing at all. So, you are wrong OP because they share care for they needed your support to get more funds from the crowd and after than they juat run away with the money.

Your thread won't stop scam bounty devs/team from their exit scam scheme, you could prolly be saying the truth when you say they need the hunters as well, but payment comes after the bounty is over, after the long weeks of advertisement, and many times, extending the campaign for a longer time; after that, the developers who are shady do not need the bounty hunters anymore, they have already executed their perfect scam and they take a bow with their exit along with investors money.

I keep wondering why developers and teams will keep treating bounty hunters as trash. Maybe you forgot that you need bounty hunters as much as bounty hunters need you. Why act as if you don't need them when you actually need hunters. No one force you to start a campaign, why make promises when you cannot keep them. Some of you are even fond of saying it is a cheap work, if you actually know is a cheap work then gather your team of advisors, blockchain technologist, marketers, C.E.O, and start making post yourself and making tweet yourself. Stop looking down on bounty hunters, it is not as easy as you think. Using cheaters as an excuse is not acceptable, your job is to filter out cheaters using bm or doing it yourself.