Topic: Devin Haney - Sandor Martin Ordered By WBC For The Light Welterweight Title (Read 370 times)

Quote from: coin-investor on June 19, 2024, 12:05:06 PM

I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

Agreed, however this Sandor should not be underestimated. If everyone speculates that this will be very easy for Devin Haney very much similar on how everyone speculated that Ryan Garcia was going to be easy for Haney, I reckon research Sandor's fights. He has a majority decision victory against Mikey Garcia and a split decision loss against Teofimo Lopez. This implies that he is trying is most hardest against the best boxers. If the odds for this is again similar to King Ry vs. Haney, the correct bet might be on Sandor.

There are 3 people on Sandor victory by decision. I reckon these are me, @bisdak and @Boafeng hehehehehee.

I haven' voted yet, hehehe. But I do like the chances of Sandor Martin here, very tough fighter and maybe Haney pick up the wrong boxer for this comeback fight if he decided to go with Martin or just chooses to vacant the title of he doesn't want the money being offered to him or what he will be getting because it way less than his last fight with Ryan.

Yes, that fight with Teo Lopez and that win against Garcia really shows what kind of boxer Sandor here. He doesn't care who is in front of him. And lately, we've seen some upets so I wouldn't be surprised if Sandor came in strong and try to get a win here with a hard and grinding fight to make Haney uncomfortable which he is not used to.

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Update on the Devin Haney - Sandor Martin:

This is a big disappointment for Devin Haney. He is upset at the amount of money he will receive to fight Sandor Martin; it was reported that Top Rank Boxing outbid Matchroom Boxing at $2.42M to win the rights to host on ESPN.
A far cry from the $30 million he received when he fought Ryan Garcia, if Haney does not agree to what Top Rank is offering, he will have to vacate his WBC title, so we will see if he will proceed with the fight at that amount or he will vacate it.
Devin loses his appeal after that huge loss to Ryan Garcia, but he needs to remain a champion if he wants a rematch against Ryan, so I believe he will likely fight Sandor with that amount.

Fans hate his boring style though, I agree that he had accomplished a lot, still very young, but he doesn't have the charisma that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia has. So he will have to understand the business side of boxing that he will not always get what he wanted since he can't bring fans to the arena to watch his fight.

It's just interesting though that his promotions, Matchroom didn't try to outbid Top Rank or didn't offer huge money here? So yeah, it's a disappointed for him. I was not also aware that he fired his father as a trainer as this father and son and other duo in boxing right now are very close. So that's another relationship that turns awkward because of a loss.

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Update on the Devin Haney - Sandor Martin:

This is a big disappointment for Devin Haney. He is upset at the amount of money he will receive to fight Sandor Martin; it was reported that Top Rank Boxing outbid Matchroom Boxing at $2.42M to win the rights to host on ESPN.
A far cry from the $30 million he received when he fought Ryan Garcia, if Haney does not agree to what Top Rank is offering, he will have to vacate his WBC title, so we will see if he will proceed with the fight at that amount or he will vacate it.
Devin loses his appeal after that huge loss to Ryan Garcia, but he needs to remain a champion if he wants a rematch against Ryan, so I believe he will likely fight Sandor with that amount.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 20, 2024, 07:51:51 AM

You cannot get your confidence back after getting knocked down three times and humiliated, and Sandor's team will go for a title shot.

I like that you mentioned this factor, that loss to Ryan Garcia although it's a non title fight is so big for him, so maybe he is affected emotionally on that and his come back is just premature and Sandor might be able to use that on his advantage. Now, I like to bet on Sandor as I'm sure he is the heavy underdog, Haney is not unbeatable anymore, and that alone is already a reality that we can consider to be attracted with betting on his opponent.

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We'll know an update on this negotiation in a few weeks.

I thought it's already confirm, what are we talking here? it's confirm that they'll fight but no venue and date yet?

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 17, 2024, 04:15:31 AM

If majority of us here considered Sandor Martin a very hard matchup for Haney then, it should not be considered as a tune up fight. Although I might have my reservations if this is going to push thru as it says "ordered" and not yet final? I maybe be wrong here.

But hopefully if this happens, I do hope that it will be very boring as Haney might use to play defense more because of what had happen to him during his fight with Garcia as he became aggressive and then he was caught and it was over for him moving forward.

I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about how Haney will perform after he got devastated by Garcia, there was news that he fired his father as his trainer so we'll see who will train him and what new style will he adopt/
Garcia exposed him, and his weaknesses will be the target of all his future opponents; we are curious about his confidence level.
He needs a strong showing against Sandor, and I don't believe that Sandor will accept a step-aside money. I have seen this guy so hungry for winning a title. He was disappointed when he lost against Lopez, and he will take this opportunity because Haney is vulnerable.

You cannot get your confidence back after getting knocked down three times and humiliated, and Sandor's team will go for a title shot.
We'll know an update on this negotiation in a few weeks.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 15, 2024, 11:36:17 PM

I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

I agree that Martin is not a threat Devin Haney if we consider his knockout ratio but this is the boxer that gave Teofimo Lopez a hard time when the latter move up to this division. I hope though that Martin could duplicate his performance when he fought Lopez so that we can see a competitive fight because if not then this could be a sort of a tune-up fight for Haney which he badly needed by now after that humiliation he suffered against Ryan Garcia.

Hehehe this will certainly be considered a tune up fight by the team of Devin Haney. However, this Sandor might be difficult. Haney has to prove that he is not a pillow hands. King Ry was not afraid to take a punch in his face to give a punch on Haney to get the knockdowns. I reckon Sandor might use a similar tactic. Let Haney come and Sandor will counter punch.

Also, is this not very much premature for Devin Haney to fight after the very embarrassing loss against King Ry? He should get 1 year vacation before returning. His father Bill should stop him.

If majority of us here considered Sandor Martin a very hard matchup for Haney then, it should not be considered as a tune up fight. Although I might have my reservations if this is going to push thru as it says "ordered" and not yet final? I maybe be wrong here.

But hopefully if this happens, I do hope that it will be very boring as Haney might use to play defense more because of what had happen to him during his fight with Garcia as he became aggressive and then he was caught and it was over for him moving forward.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 15, 2024, 11:36:17 PM

I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

I agree that Martin is not a threat Devin Haney if we consider his knockout ratio but this is the boxer that gave Teofimo Lopez a hard time when the latter move up to this division. I hope though that Martin could duplicate his performance when he fought Lopez so that we can see a competitive fight because if not then this could be a sort of a tune-up fight for Haney which he badly needed by now after that humiliation he suffered against Ryan Garcia.

Hehehe this will certainly be considered a tune up fight by the team of Devin Haney. However, this Sandor might be difficult. Haney has to prove that he is not a pillow hands. King Ry was not afraid to take a punch in his face to give a punch on Haney to get the knockdowns. I reckon Sandor might use a similar tactic. Let Haney come and Sandor will counter punch.

Unfortunately, he proved that he is a feather fisted fighter, was not able to put Garcia in the canvass, while Ryan knock him down 3x, first time in his career to taste the canvass and Haney was not the same anymore.

Also, is this not very much premature for Devin Haney to fight after the very embarrassing loss against King Ry? He should get 1 year vacation before returning. His father Bill should stop him.

Right but if WBC is mandated him to defend his belt or more likely strip of it, then I think they don't have a choice but to go and accept this fight the sooner. But as we have been saying, Sandor Martin might be a dangerous fighter for Haney as his comeback fight after that humiliating lost from King Ry.

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I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

I agree that Martin is not a threat Devin Haney if we consider his knockout ratio but this is the boxer that gave Teofimo Lopez a hard time when the latter move up to this division. I hope though that Martin could duplicate his performance when he fought Lopez so that we can see a competitive fight because if not then this could be a sort of a tune-up fight for Haney which he badly needed by now after that humiliation he suffered against Ryan Garcia.

Hehehe this will certainly be considered a tune up fight by the team of Devin Haney. However, this Sandor might be difficult. Haney has to prove that he is not a pillow hands. King Ry was not afraid to take a punch in his face to give a punch on Haney to get the knockdowns. I reckon Sandor might use a similar tactic. Let Haney come and Sandor will counter punch.

Also, is this not very much premature for Devin Haney to fight after the very embarrassing loss against King Ry? He should get 1 year vacation before returning. His father Bill should stop him.

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It will be a very tough fight for Haney because Sander is a very good opponent and winning him is going to be hard for Haney. I guess this time Haney is going to face the toughest opponent of his entire career, but I still hope he'll perform good if he fights with Sandor Martin.

His toughest opponent was Ryan Garcia as that was the only boxer that defeated him. However, if Sandor will pull an upset win like knocking out Haney, then we can say that he is the toughest opponent of Haney.

Devin Haney is good at knocking out his opponents but Sandor isn't an easy opponent. But when it comes to energy then surely we can find Haney much more energetic as he's 25 years old and has enough energy to fight Sandor who's 30 years old. But, from experience perspective Sandor is still on top, and that's why I believe Haney has to reconsider in order to defend his title.

Not really IMO, Haney is good in winning but knocking out, he doesn't have that kind of reputation. That's why if he'll win this fight, it's likely via unanimous decision win.

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It will be a very tough fight for Haney because Sander is a very good opponent and winning him is going to be hard for Haney. I guess this time Haney is going to face the toughest opponent of his entire career, but I still hope he'll perform good if he fights with Sandor Martin.

Sandor Martin is a tough customer for Haney here, and his game style is not about his power as he didn't have base on his record, but how he is that aggressive, is the game plan and he almost upset Teo back then, and I think majority will agree that he could have won that fight.

Devin Haney is good at knocking out his opponents but Sandor isn't an easy opponent. But when it comes to energy then surely we can find Haney much more energetic as he's 25 years old and has enough energy to fight Sandor who's 30 years old. But, from experience perspective Sandor is still on top, and that's why I believe Haney has to reconsider in order to defend his title.

No, Devin Haney is not known to knock his opponents, maybe in the Prograis fight he score a knock down but that's it. Even at 140 lbs, his power is not big as compare to other champions like Teo Lopez, Pitbull Cruz or Matias. And with that, this fight is not going to be easy for him and don't think that this is a cherry pick fight. He will have to work his ass off against a fighter that has nothing to lose.

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It will be a very tough fight for Haney because Sander is a very good opponent and winning him is going to be hard for Haney. I guess this time Haney is going to face the toughest opponent of his entire career, but I still hope he'll perform good if he fights with Sandor Martin.

Devin Haney is good at knocking out his opponents but Sandor isn't an easy opponent. But when it comes to energy then surely we can find Haney much more energetic as he's 25 years old and has enough energy to fight Sandor who's 30 years old. But, from experience perspective Sandor is still on top, and that's why I believe Haney has to reconsider in order to defend his title.

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I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

I agree that Martin is not a threat Devin Haney if we consider his knockout ratio but this is the boxer that gave Teofimo Lopez a hard time when the latter move up to this division. I hope though that Martin could duplicate his performance when he fought Lopez so that we can see a competitive fight because if not then this could be a sort of a tune-up fight for Haney which he badly needed by now after that humiliation he suffered against Ryan Garcia.

Yes, the thing with Lopez is that he has power and very tough, as compare to what's left with Haney here, perhaps he is still emotionally affected by the big lost he got from Ryan Garcia. So if ever Martin goes on being aggressive and was able to maintain it throughout the fight and then Haney seeing the ghost of last fight, maybe Sandor can make it a close fight here. However, in close rounds, we've seen to notice that the judges usually gave the round to the champion, and unless Martin give us dominant showing per round he could be in the short end deal and judges giving the fight to Haney.

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I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

I agree that Martin is not a threat Devin Haney if we consider his knockout ratio but this is the boxer that gave Teofimo Lopez a hard time when the latter move up to this division. I hope though that Martin could duplicate his performance when he fought Lopez so that we can see a competitive fight because if not then this could be a sort of a tune-up fight for Haney which he badly needed by now after that humiliation he suffered against Ryan Garcia.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on May 13, 2024, 03:22:42 PM

I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

Agreed, however this Sandor should not be underestimated. If everyone speculates that this will be very easy for Devin Haney very much similar on how everyone speculated that Ryan Garcia was going to be easy for Haney, I reckon research Sandor's fights. He has a majority decision victory against Mikey Garcia and a split decision loss against Teofimo Lopez. This implies that he is trying is most hardest against the best boxers. If the odds for this is again similar to King Ry vs. Haney, the correct bet might be on Sandor.

There are 3 people on Sandor victory by decision. I reckon these are me, @bisdak and @Boafeng hehehehehee.

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These are not the most exciting styles to match together. If they do end up fighting we will see a lot of running, hugging, and neither guy will really be able to hurt their opponent. I would rather see Haney against Teofimo or Subriel Matias. It is honestly a stacked division, where Pitbull Cruz and Josh Taylor are also competing. There was much better options than this dreadful matchup, but I guess Sandor got some sympathy from the WBC after he was robbed against Teofimo.

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Devin Haney needs to do more training and sharpen his technique because look at what happened last time, he either lacked the training or did it but Garcia's just too strong.

Devin Haney is already an improved fighter and a sharp fighter when it comes to ring generalship until Ryan Garcia exposed his pillow fist and brittle chin. Haney may have good movement in the ring, but Ryan is very familiar with his chin and his fist because they already fought 6 times prior to their title fight.
Everything looked great for Haney until Ryan Garcia and now all his coming opponents will do what Ryan did and go for his chin and underestimate his punches.
They are just going to say that I need to get into Chin to throw off his game; this is what Sandor is going to do. Haney needs to strengthen his punches and not just his hit-and-run tactics, his future opponents must respect his punches.

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It's weird to me that the boxing federations and organizations are still doing this kind of matchmaking system, it's not really filtering anything not to mention that it's not making any kind of progress and the fighters that are underappreciated aren't given the highlights, look at what UFC has been doing, they're able to do a really good matchmaking system where you're forced or at the least have to fight in some order to be able to curry Dana's favor to give you a place in the main event if not be part of it. I'm still so confused at how the boxing federations are still able to get away with this, I guess when money's involved and money talks, it's not a good choice to go against the provider just because you wanted to change something.

Devin Haney needs to do more training and sharpen his technique because look at what happened last time, he either lacked the training or did it but Garcia's just too strong.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 13, 2024, 09:37:42 AM

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

42-3 is a great record, definitely not something you'd underestimate. Sure it's not spectacular, like Mayweather with 43-0, but don't forget that even Tyson who is called one of the best boxers ever had a record of 50-6, so flawless fighters are very very rare. 42-3 is really good in total. I'd still put my money on Haney because he's more well known, but it's not like this fight is going to be completely one sided.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 13, 2024, 09:37:42 AM

I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rat

He may have a low knock-out rate, but the guy can box and is very sleek he almost beat Teofimo Lopez if he had not rallied in the latter rounds the fight ended in a split decision, he can beat Sandor but he will have a tough task doing this because part of his resume is a fight against Mickey Garcia which I already mentioned, I think this is a good test for Haney if he can pass Sandor who is a worthy opponent then Haney is back on the track, those beatings coming from Ryan will take a toil for a long time if he can knock out Sandor then he is really back and can move on with that harrowing experience.

Well I guess I trust your judgement on this as you have followed this boxer already. I'm just merely basing on Sandor's boxing record and I didn't find it impressive. Sandor's advantage is just probably his experience, but he is not the same as Ryan or better than him, I don't see him beating Haney in this fight. I hope I'm wrong though as I really hate the style of Haney, not so entertaining but now he cannot boast anymore his undefeated record as Ryan gave him that 1 loss.

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based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney. This might look like a tune-up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

I believe he is a threat and a very challenging opponent he is a technical fighter who can hurt his opponent but let's see if Hearns will do something to avoid Sandor; Sandor can upset Haney, and this is not a profitable fight for Hearns, some people may see it as a tune fight for Haney, but there's a risk involved if it's coming from an experienced fighter like Sandor.

If that was already ordered, can Haney avoid him? I think it's not wise to avoid him as it will only create rumors than Haney have avoided him because he doesn't want to loss his belt. I guess for now I will be checking the fight highlights of Sandor and maybe I can agree with you.

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While no one is going to have issues with Haney coming back as quickly as possible, he might just fail again. With the kind of beating he received from Ryan, the date is just too short of a preparation not just for his recovery but in preparing for Sandor. Haney is too eager to get back to show the world he is still the super LW champ.

But is there a talk about Haney winning this fight against Sandor will make him earn a rematch against Garcia?

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I will not be surprised if Sandor pulls an upset here, he knows that Haney has been destroyed and his confidence is not yet 100% I have seen Sandor taking big punches from Lopez, and he can take it, and we all know that Teofimo is a hard puncher and besides Sandor is very hungry after that disappointing loss to Tefimo via split decision not good for Haney's cause, there are lighter fighters but since it's mandatory Haney should prepare hard for this fight.

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While no one is going to have issues with Haney coming back as quickly as possible, he might just fail again. With the kind of beating he received from Ryan, the date is just too short of a preparation not just for his recovery but in preparing for Sandor. Haney is too eager to get back to show the world he is still the super LW champ.

But is there a talk about Haney winning this fight against Sandor will make him earn a rematch against Garcia?

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