there are 2 ways how you can do it
on 1 side it is fair that you pay first before sending the bitcoins , as payments are reversable
on the other side , bitcoins can not be refunded when payments can
if he provided teh reason that he wanted it as gift because of the extra costs ... then i would accept it
but for the reason that you can not claim it ... that ask for trouble
if you do not trust him and still want to trade over paypal you can use http://powerchaos.info for the trade (its mine .. maybe not enouf rep on this forum but i got enouf rep on other things )
or a other way you can work is by seding just 50% of the payment , then he can send the full amount and then you send the other part ( its a common used way of trading)
ofcourse the fraude can still exist , as example he sends you the full bitcoin and you refuse to send the other 50% ... he got scammed then for 50%
or he just refuse to send you the bitcoin then you only lost 50% of the payment instead the full amount
anyway
i woulnd trust this trade for the reason he provide that he need it as gift ...
Greets From PowerChaos
Topic: DiamondPlus Scammer (Read 814 times)
I've done enough trades to know the warning signs. It was the over-active "hyper" responses that kind of suggested to me that he was not for real. Not to mention the excess mentioning of sending payment as a gift.
This guy's a tool, claiming that he's been scammed before by other scammers on this forum. Just a heads up.
This guy's a tool, claiming that he's been scammed before by other scammers on this forum. Just a heads up.
If the conversation goes beyond ~5 lines I shut down the chat. It signals that the other party is clearly a hyperactive child or not interested in actually pulling through a trade where both parties get what they want.
The only relevant things are exchange of reputation, payment addresses and amounts. Maybe a 'hello'.
The chat log is inconclusive but next time, suggest an escrow like btcrow.com, though they prob. don't accept PayPal due to high risk
The only relevant things are exchange of reputation, payment addresses and amounts. Maybe a 'hello'.
The chat log is inconclusive but next time, suggest an escrow like btcrow.com, though they prob. don't accept PayPal due to high risk
I think this conversation speaks for itself... Don't do business with DiamondPlus (Ken on skype)
I was put off by the email he gave me in which to send the money due to the first few threads bringing up scammer reports. After seeing them I decided to let him know that I request the BTC first in which he told me "fuck you, thief, reported".
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[9:51:15 PM] Ken: Hey Jay
[9:51:18 PM] Ken: I got your Add
[9:51:20 PM] Ken: how can I help ypou
[9:51:46 PM] jay schr: you pm'ed me about the bitcoin trade
[9:51:57 PM] Ken: Yeah thought so
[9:52:03 PM] Ken: Okay your looking to buy 1 right?
[9:52:04 PM] Ken: 14.50?
[9:52:11 PM] jay schr: 1.5 at $14
[9:52:20 PM] Ken: 1.5 okay
[9:52:27 PM] Ken: sure do you have your bitcoin wallet
[9:52:33 PM] Ken: all the blocks downloaded
[9:52:33 PM] Ken: already?
[9:52:47 PM] jay schr: That's the only way I roll.
[9:52:58 PM] Ken: lol
[9:52:58 PM] jay schr: address is 156GUUFABHHgMY9NW1MiXyW1tt8a1yNc1b
[9:52:59 PM] Ken: Okay cool
[9:53:09 PM] Ken: Alright so are you gonna be paying through PayPal?
[9:53:25 PM] Ken: Received transactions: 0
Received BTC: 0
Sent transactions: 0
Sent BTC: 0
[9:53:26 PM] jay schr: indeed I am
[9:53:29 PM] Ken: Your wallet seems to be new
[9:53:32 PM] Ken: Okay sure
[9:53:36 PM] jay schr: the address is new
[9:53:38 PM] Ken: So my email is [email protected]
[9:53:45 PM] Ken: Do you mind sending the payment as a gift?
[9:53:45 PM] jay schr: let me pull up my original address
[9:53:57 PM] Ken: I''ll send the BTC right after I recieve payment and verify it
[9:53:59 PM] jay schr: 1GffzQvwd5eZy47xP2Ea7n4NuDGW6sYocB
[9:54:00 PM] Ken: as a gift ofcourse
[9:54:09 PM] Ken: Okay so which wallet
[9:54:11 PM] Ken: do you want me to send it to?
[9:54:16 PM] jay schr: they're both to the same wallet.
[9:54:27 PM] Ken: Okay I c
[9:54:44 PM] jay schr: If I am going to be going first, I'd like to see some rep that you've built somewhere, if you don't mind
[9:54:56 PM] Ken: Just search my name
[9:54:58 PM] Ken: on the Forum
[9:55:01 PM] Ken: I've been a member for a while
[9:56:29 PM] jay schr: registered june 29th, 40 posts. have you made any trades is what I'm more interested in.
[9:56:38 PM] Ken: Yeah got scammed just yesterday
[9:56:42 PM] Ken: by The Middle Man
[9:56:51 PM] Ken: I went first and lost 1 BTC
[9:56:51 PM] jay schr: I've already gotten positive feedback for trading, if you don't mind I'd rather have the BTC sent first.
[9:57:00 PM] Ken: No sorry.
[9:57:11 PM] Ken: Thats not going to work
[9:57:12 PM] Ken: Been there done that
[9:57:16 PM] Ken: Scammed over and over again
[9:57:23 PM] Ken: I can assure you I'll send the 1.5.
[9:57:29 PM] Ken: I just need you to send the payment as a gift first
[9:57:32 PM] Ken: its standard procedur
[9:57:34 PM] Ken: Ask anyone on the forum
[9:57:48 PM] Ken: and I'd like to think I have a positive rep
[9:58:11 PM] jay schr: I'll take a shot in the dark, $14 is not much anyway I guess...
[9:58:31 PM] Ken: Cool.
[9:58:52 PM] Ken: Just make sure to send it as a gift and I can promise you you'll get your BTC in less then 5 minutes
[9:59:12 PM] jay schr: Why gift?
[9:59:21 PM] Ken: So it's undetectable
[9:59:38 PM] Ken: and you can't file any unauthorized claims
[9:59:45 PM] jay schr: what's the email?
[10:00:55 PM] Ken: [email protected]
[10:01:50 PM] jay schr: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-6btc-with-84-via-paypal-33455
[10:01:54 PM] jay schr: don't think so.
[10:02:19 PM] jay schr: you've got bad rep as far as I can tell. If this trade's going through, i'll take the BTC before I send the money.
[10:02:21 PM] Ken: Whats this
[10:02:23 PM] Ken: its not loading
[10:02:47 PM] jay schr: It's a post claiming that you are a scammer, with you claiming the OP is a scammer.
[10:03:23 PM] Ken: Yes. I just told you ive been scammed
[10:03:23 PM] jay schr: If you want to build rep on the forums this trade may help as I will be posting in the honest traders thread, otherwise we're done here.
[10:03:24 PM] Ken: Ive been scammed twice
[10:03:26 PM] Ken: in 3 days
[10:03:32 PM] Ken: Im not making it a third time
[10:03:33 PM] Ken: Sorry.
[10:03:39 PM] Ken: Either send the money first as a gift payment
[10:03:40 PM] Ken: or good bye
[10:03:45 PM] jay schr: that's fine. have a nice day...
[10:03:52 PM] Ken: Haha fuck you
[10:03:53 PM] Ken: thief
[10:03:54 PM] Ken: reported
[9:51:18 PM] Ken: I got your Add
[9:51:20 PM] Ken: how can I help ypou
[9:51:46 PM] jay schr: you pm'ed me about the bitcoin trade
[9:51:57 PM] Ken: Yeah thought so
[9:52:03 PM] Ken: Okay your looking to buy 1 right?
[9:52:04 PM] Ken: 14.50?
[9:52:11 PM] jay schr: 1.5 at $14
[9:52:20 PM] Ken: 1.5 okay
[9:52:27 PM] Ken: sure do you have your bitcoin wallet
[9:52:33 PM] Ken: all the blocks downloaded
[9:52:33 PM] Ken: already?
[9:52:47 PM] jay schr: That's the only way I roll.
[9:52:58 PM] Ken: lol
[9:52:58 PM] jay schr: address is 156GUUFABHHgMY9NW1MiXyW1tt8a1yNc1b
[9:52:59 PM] Ken: Okay cool
[9:53:09 PM] Ken: Alright so are you gonna be paying through PayPal?
[9:53:25 PM] Ken: Received transactions: 0
Received BTC: 0
Sent transactions: 0
Sent BTC: 0
[9:53:26 PM] jay schr: indeed I am
[9:53:29 PM] Ken: Your wallet seems to be new
[9:53:32 PM] Ken: Okay sure
[9:53:36 PM] jay schr: the address is new
[9:53:38 PM] Ken: So my email is [email protected]
[9:53:45 PM] Ken: Do you mind sending the payment as a gift?
[9:53:45 PM] jay schr: let me pull up my original address
[9:53:57 PM] Ken: I''ll send the BTC right after I recieve payment and verify it
[9:53:59 PM] jay schr: 1GffzQvwd5eZy47xP2Ea7n4NuDGW6sYocB
[9:54:00 PM] Ken: as a gift ofcourse
[9:54:09 PM] Ken: Okay so which wallet
[9:54:11 PM] Ken: do you want me to send it to?
[9:54:16 PM] jay schr: they're both to the same wallet.
[9:54:27 PM] Ken: Okay I c
[9:54:44 PM] jay schr: If I am going to be going first, I'd like to see some rep that you've built somewhere, if you don't mind
[9:54:56 PM] Ken: Just search my name
[9:54:58 PM] Ken: on the Forum
[9:55:01 PM] Ken: I've been a member for a while
[9:56:29 PM] jay schr: registered june 29th, 40 posts. have you made any trades is what I'm more interested in.
[9:56:38 PM] Ken: Yeah got scammed just yesterday
[9:56:42 PM] Ken: by The Middle Man
[9:56:51 PM] Ken: I went first and lost 1 BTC
[9:56:51 PM] jay schr: I've already gotten positive feedback for trading, if you don't mind I'd rather have the BTC sent first.
[9:57:00 PM] Ken: No sorry.
[9:57:11 PM] Ken: Thats not going to work
[9:57:12 PM] Ken: Been there done that
[9:57:16 PM] Ken: Scammed over and over again
[9:57:23 PM] Ken: I can assure you I'll send the 1.5.
[9:57:29 PM] Ken: I just need you to send the payment as a gift first
[9:57:32 PM] Ken: its standard procedur
[9:57:34 PM] Ken: Ask anyone on the forum
[9:57:48 PM] Ken: and I'd like to think I have a positive rep
[9:58:11 PM] jay schr: I'll take a shot in the dark, $14 is not much anyway I guess...
[9:58:31 PM] Ken: Cool.
[9:58:52 PM] Ken: Just make sure to send it as a gift and I can promise you you'll get your BTC in less then 5 minutes
[9:59:12 PM] jay schr: Why gift?
[9:59:21 PM] Ken: So it's undetectable
[9:59:38 PM] Ken: and you can't file any unauthorized claims
[9:59:45 PM] jay schr: what's the email?
[10:00:55 PM] Ken: [email protected]
[10:01:50 PM] jay schr: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-6btc-with-84-via-paypal-33455
[10:01:54 PM] jay schr: don't think so.
[10:02:19 PM] jay schr: you've got bad rep as far as I can tell. If this trade's going through, i'll take the BTC before I send the money.
[10:02:21 PM] Ken: Whats this
[10:02:23 PM] Ken: its not loading
[10:02:47 PM] jay schr: It's a post claiming that you are a scammer, with you claiming the OP is a scammer.
[10:03:23 PM] Ken: Yes. I just told you ive been scammed
[10:03:23 PM] jay schr: If you want to build rep on the forums this trade may help as I will be posting in the honest traders thread, otherwise we're done here.
[10:03:24 PM] Ken: Ive been scammed twice
[10:03:26 PM] Ken: in 3 days
[10:03:32 PM] Ken: Im not making it a third time
[10:03:33 PM] Ken: Sorry.
[10:03:39 PM] Ken: Either send the money first as a gift payment
[10:03:40 PM] Ken: or good bye
[10:03:45 PM] jay schr: that's fine. have a nice day...
[10:03:52 PM] Ken: Haha fuck you
[10:03:53 PM] Ken: thief
[10:03:54 PM] Ken: reported
I was put off by the email he gave me in which to send the money due to the first few threads bringing up scammer reports. After seeing them I decided to let him know that I request the BTC first in which he told me "fuck you, thief, reported".
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