Topic: Did Allied troops rape 285,000 German women in WWII? (Read 1727 times)

Rape was used as a weapon by every side in the WW2. The Nazis and Japs started it, provoking retaliation from the opposing parties. The Allies (especially the Americans and the French) gave a racial angle to it, by encouraging black soldiers to rape German, Japanese and Italian women.

Well the allied forces were never the 'good guys' in that war, at best they were the lesser of two evils (even that is stretching it). Now and again they would've needed to vent out the rage/hatred/whatnot within themselves in any number of ways available to them at the time.

In war rape happens, it is an unpleasant truth that no one wants to see applied to "Their side" but we would be stupid & naive to think allied soldiers never did this. Of course they did. What I am puzzled about & what I think destroys the impact of this is putting such a precise number on it is always going have people crying falsehood. Why not just say "Thousands" as there's no way we can ever really know how many.

Also, in such bad times, sex for a loaf of bread might be more the norm, than the exception.  Someone later might reframe that to be "rape" because it was under duress, when it was more transactional. 

Really nightmarish thing, war.   

Better to be thankful that such is not our lot, than to split off one tiny aspect - rape - and  use it for current politically correct and manipulative goals.

True that 100%.

Statutory rape isn't exactly the same as violent rape. Statutory rape usually has the consent of the underage party, where forcible rape does not. Statutory rape, even though consent is given, is usually a case of the state saying that the underage party doesn't have the ability to give consent, so the consent isn't legitimate. So I don't think the analogy transfers very well.

There is a sizable number of women in prison on charges of statutory rape. Hell, there are cases of women prison officials in charge of juvenile prisons being charged with sexual misconduct as well.

Only women are allowed to join army, problem solved 

Warfare isn't that different from how it was during viking times; rape and pillage. Don't know if the number is correct but many women sure were raped, same in Vietnam and same in the middle east and will stay same for a good while..

There is a reason the "men are bad, bad, bad" meme is being pushed around right now.  Namely the meme that "a quarter of women on college campuses have been sexually assaulted" which was a lie from the beginning, has been thouroughly debunked.  And the lies of the nice little girl named Jackie have been exposed.

So...let's talk about rape in WWII, shall we?

I dont blame the Germans, I only blame Hitler for the World War. Soldiers are only doing what has been ordered to them.

There sure was lots of rape, there always is in war.

How did they came up with that number?

I'm sorry, but Nazis are not to blame for American soldiers raping. That's a copout of immense proportions. You're responsible for your own actions, regardless of what circumstances brought you to where you are. The sin of these crimes rest solely on the people who used force on innocent civilians, without exception.

Millions raped, and millions more starved to death etc. in allied POW camps.  From a post I made in the documentary thread:

Assuming that 280,000 were rapped it means on ave 6 000 could have fallen pregnant. Imagine the emotional clusterfuck that must have been.

When Berlin fell and the Soviets made their way into town, they raped the leftover women by the millions. There were so many men of different generations wiped out by Hitler going for broke that there was a severe shortage of men to go around after the war's end. I simply don't know how Germany turned the page and rebuilt everything and made their way out of that situation. It must've been really tough turning that thing around.

War is social cannibalism, it exacerbates all types of depraved behavior. Look at posttraumatic stress that always follows in its wake. To think there is any moral victory to be gained in war is naive. There are always despicable atrocities inflicted by both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II

I heard the same thing about the Russians and I'm sure some of these stories is true. Were all soldiers like than? Of course not! Germans also raped women, especially the ones that looked "aryan".

Did anybody else notice that the author's name is Miriam?  

war changes people a lot .. and makes them do terrible things ..

If it was WW-II, most of the perpetrators would either be dead or almost dead.
There are other war crimes (including the US war on Iraq) which must be investigated and the perpetrators of war crimes be punished.

Forget if this woman is a feminist, this is the fucking daily mail, you guys outside the UK don't realise this but they constantly make up shit to cause trouble and blatantly write lies.  That being said rape and other crimes happens all the time in war, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest which is precisely why I think it's wrong to make martyrs out of veterans who fight for the state because you're justifying murder no matter how you look at it. When you guy one side with guns the ability to act with impunity and not allow the civilians to fight back this is the result, coddling veterans is just something that nations do to help themselves sleep at night and disregard the fact they've murdered thousands of people.

No one is denying that soldiers were raping in WW2 across the globe but the question is: Did Allied troops rape 285 000 German women?
I'm not going to discuss if feminist is annoying or not but its about the scale and the method that Dr Gebhardt used to measure the rape occurrence

I know feminist talking about rape is the most annoying thing ever, but she does have some truth. In war there is always opportunity to take advantage of the weak, and rape is pretty much the result of scared innocent civilians facing men with guns. No doubt was there rape in WW2.

There is a saying "he who sows the wind will reap the whirlwind". Nazi started the World War II so in a way they are responsible for what happened later to many nations. And I'm not talking only about raping and killing but also for destruction of many cites, art pieces, and so on. Of course what nazi had started is no excuse for raping done by Allied troops.
285,000 raped women seems like a lot, so i'm not totally convinced it was so high number. The method that Dr Gebhardt used is highly implausible.

Yeah, when you put it like that it doesn't seem all that bad now does it.. Seriously tho, I can't imagine doing any of the above so I really can't relate to anyone that has seen active duty where they've had to do the dirty deeds of killing and bare the mental destruction that such a deed leads to. It's just terrible what these guys have to do and what the results of this climate are. And, then to be affected by all this for the rest of your life is unreal to us that have been blessed to have avoided the conflicts or were lucky enough not to be conscripted into any of them. We all have our troubles but I'll keep mine rather than having to have been a party to war in anything but a taxpaying capacity.

Unfortunately since war has existed, rape has also been something that comes right along with it. It has happened before and still continues to this day. When your job is to explode people's heads all day, rape does not seem all that bad in comparison.

There was no doubt that Private Blake W. Mariano of the 191st Tank Battalion was a brave man. As part of the American Army's 45th Infantry Division, he had killed many Germans as he fought through Africa, Italy and southern France, before finally, in March 1945, he and his Sherman tank had crossed the Rhine into Germany.

By April 15, 1945, Mariano had been away from his home in New Mexico for nearly three years. A father of three, the 29-year-old was divorced, although he did have a girlfriend in England.

His loved ones, however, were far from his mind that evening. During the day, his unit had successfully overrun the large village of Lauf on the edge of the Black Forest in south-western Germany, and Mariano decided it was time to celebrate.

Accompanied by another American private, Mariano went out drinking. After finding a well-stocked cellar, the two men quickly became inebriated on cognac, at which point they went looking to complete their evening.

They found what they wanted in an air raid shelter under the town's castle. Huddled there were 17 villagers, two of whom were children.

Mariano pointed his rifle at a young woman called Elfriede. Aged just 21, Elfriede worked in an office, and had a fiancé who was away fighting. Mariano took her outside and raped her. After he had finished, his companion did the same.

Still not sated, Mariano returned to the shelter and chose a 41-year-old woman called Martha. When it became apparent that she was menstruating, Mariano shot her. It would take Martha until the following morning to die.

In a final act of savagery, Mariano selected one more woman, a 54-year-old shopkeeper called Babette, who he also raped. His 'entertainment' now over, Mariano finally returned to his tank.

The following morning, Martha's husband returned to the village after being discharged from the Army. He might have thought that he and his wife were now safe, having survived six long years of war.

As soon as he had discovered what had happened, the widower went straight to the Americans, who immediately launched an investigation.

Just over three weeks later, on May 8, Mariano was arrested and charged. In his defence, he claimed not to remember a thing. The villagers of Lauf would have no such problem. What Mariano had done in a few hours that one night would remain with them for decades.

More...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3011930/Did-Allied-troops-rape-285-000-German-women-s-shocking-claim-new-book-German-feminist-exposing-war-crime-slandering-heroes.html
 
Just to be clear, this writer is a feminazi that doesn't like Brits or Americans so this whole assertion could be bunk but if not, then the 'greatest generation' as they're know here in the state could be something else altogether.