Topic: Did Israel just shot-down a Russian passenger plane (Read 2501 times)
And it won't ever be published and we ll never heard anymore something about that...new things will happen, new disasters,epidemies,,so nobody will have time to think about that..
Umm... I heard that the pilot of the plane had told the dispatcher that plane's having some technical problems as soon as they departured from the airport. He said they'll land on the next possible airport, just.. didn't succeed.
how did you know this.. do you have any link related to your claim ?
In politic and war games always there is a innocent victim..maybe that plane was one of them, or was really attacked by bomb...and there is other mystery of missing plane from 8.march 2014?
So in other words, the usual murderers and killers in the name of Islam did some more murdering and killing in the name of Islam.
And the title of the thread smears Israel and points the accusation at the Jews.
Nothing new here, is there.
And the title of the thread smears Israel and points the accusation at the Jews.
Nothing new here, is there.
I agree that the Jews (and Israel) were unfairly blamed here. But at the same time, we should not forget that the ISIS is getting a lot of help from the Americans, Arabs and Israelis (either directly or indirectly). Israel has attacked the Syrian Army border posts and on multiple occasions have shot down Syrian aircraft, when the regime forces were fighting the Islamists.
I have started a new thread for discussion of the Russian jet and it's unfortunate and innocent passengers.
No difference except the thread title does not blame Israel.
So in other words, the usual murderers and killers in the name of Islam did some more murdering and killing in the name of Islam.
And the title of the thread smears Israel and points the accusation at the Jews.
Nothing new here, is there.
And the title of the thread smears Israel and points the accusation at the Jews.
Nothing new here, is there.
I agree that the Jews (and Israel) were unfairly blamed here. But at the same time, we should not forget that the ISIS is getting a lot of help from the Americans, Arabs and Israelis (either directly or indirectly). Israel has attacked the Syrian Army border posts and on multiple occasions have shot down Syrian aircraft, when the regime forces were fighting the Islamists.
US intelligence believes it was a bomb on board:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html
So in other words, the usual murderers and killers in the name of Islam did some more murdering and killing in the name of Islam.
And the title of the thread smears Israel and points the accusation at the Jews.
Nothing new here, is there.
US intelligence believes it was a bomb on board:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html
IMO, this seems to be the most possible cause for the plane crash:
Ground staff at the Sharm El Sheikh International Airport, somehow managed to slip in an explosive device, and they placed it among the passengers' luggage in the Kogalymavia flight. The explosion occurred after one of the terrorists detonated the bomb, with the help of a remote control or a mobile phone. The local chapter of the ISIS (Ansar Bait al-Maqdis) is very powerful in Sinai, and their influence in Sharm El Sheikh is very obvious.
Ground staff at the Sharm El Sheikh International Airport, somehow managed to slip in an explosive device, and they placed it among the passengers' luggage in the Kogalymavia flight. The explosion occurred after one of the terrorists detonated the bomb, with the help of a remote control or a mobile phone. The local chapter of the ISIS (Ansar Bait al-Maqdis) is very powerful in Sinai, and their influence in Sharm El Sheikh is very obvious.
I don't think Israeli army has anything to do with the crash. Actually I think no one from any officially organized army would purposely kill hundreds of innocent people. Only some insane terrorists could do this.
But it seems like some technical problems were the reason of this particular tragedy.
But it seems like some technical problems were the reason of this particular tragedy.
Not only terrorists. Governments frequently kill hundreds of innocent people and more. And then justify it saying they were terrorists, revolutionaries, the wrong targets, enemy combatants, etc. Sometimes that isn't done directly but with sanctions for example, or arming opposition forces and training them and preparing them for combat. Sometimes we don't even get to know about it for decades. I don't believe israel did it in this case. But states do it when they know they can get away with it.
The good thing is that Black Boxes have been recovered in good condition. Thats the only way to find out the real cause. There were so many Plane accidents in this year. Hope next year will be safe..
But the intelligence agencies can conceal the truth in the name of national interest so we will only know what our governments want us to know and believe.Now they are denying any IS involvement and few days ago they issued this warning.
" The Federal Aviation Administration
has long warned U.S. airlines against
flying over the Sinai becuase of the
risk of hazards from extremists. The
latest warning March 30 advised
airlines to fly at least 26,000 feet
above the Sinai, to stay out of range
of anti-aircraft weapons, mortars,
rockets and small-arms fire around
airports on the peninsula."
No, the black boxes are very useful. For example they may be given to different teams from different countries to examine. Now if one country refuses to let others examine them, then you have a reason to start thinking conspiracy, duplicity, or misrepresenting the facts.
The good thing is that Black Boxes have been recovered in good condition. Thats the only way to find out the real cause. There were so many Plane accidents in this year. Hope next year will be safe..
But the intelligence agencies can conceal the truth in the name of national interest so we will only know what our governments want us to know and believe.Now they are denying any IS involvement and few days ago they issued this warning.
" The Federal Aviation Administration
has long warned U.S. airlines against
flying over the Sinai becuase of the
risk of hazards from extremists. The
latest warning March 30 advised
airlines to fly at least 26,000 feet
above the Sinai, to stay out of range
of anti-aircraft weapons, mortars,
rockets and small-arms fire around
airports on the peninsula."
Sinai crash: investigators start to examine Russian airliner's black boxes
Egypt rejects claims Isis brought Airbus down, amid reports of ‘uncharacteristic sounds’ in cockpit before plane went off radar
Investigators have started examining the black boxes from the Russian Metrojet plane that crashed in the Sinai desert, as Egypt warned that there might be no quick resolution and dismissed as “propaganda” claims that Islamic State could have carried out an attack.
An international team including Egyptian, Russian and French experts were expected to conclude their investigations at the crash site and turn their focus to the flight recorder data.
The Airbus A321-200 was 23 minutes into its flight from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg when it crashed on Saturday, killing all 224 on board, mainly returning Russian holidaymakers.
Investigators are yet to officially release data or findings, but according to unverified reports from Russia, cockpit recordings reveal unusual sounds at the moment the plane went off the radar, but confirm there was no distress call from the pilots
read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/investigators-start-to-examine-russian-airliners-black-boxes
Egypt rejects claims Isis brought Airbus down, amid reports of ‘uncharacteristic sounds’ in cockpit before plane went off radar
Investigators have started examining the black boxes from the Russian Metrojet plane that crashed in the Sinai desert, as Egypt warned that there might be no quick resolution and dismissed as “propaganda” claims that Islamic State could have carried out an attack.
An international team including Egyptian, Russian and French experts were expected to conclude their investigations at the crash site and turn their focus to the flight recorder data.
The Airbus A321-200 was 23 minutes into its flight from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg when it crashed on Saturday, killing all 224 on board, mainly returning Russian holidaymakers.
Investigators are yet to officially release data or findings, but according to unverified reports from Russia, cockpit recordings reveal unusual sounds at the moment the plane went off the radar, but confirm there was no distress call from the pilots
read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/investigators-start-to-examine-russian-airliners-black-boxes
what about the supposed video of the crash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
The video can be discredited. If someone really wanted to prove they downed the plane, they'd do something like show their ugly faces wrapped in rags, and a current newspaper to prove the time and date.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
And it's 30,000 feet = six miles, not thirty miles.
what about the supposed video of the crash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
Killing people in the name of a GOD any god from any religion is completely wrong!! ISIS doesn't build anything, create anything, better the living conditions of there people(except fighters) do they expect the world to follow them?? What god would be this cruel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
So is this the new form of warfare? Shooting down civilian planes?
The good thing is that Black Boxes have been recovered in good condition. Thats the only way to find out the real cause. There were so many Plane accidents in this year. Hope next year will be safe..
But the intelligence agencies can conceal the truth in the name of national interest so we will only know what our governments want us to know and believe.Now they are denying any IS involvement and few days ago they issued this warning.
" The Federal Aviation Administration
has long warned U.S. airlines against
flying over the Sinai becuase of the
risk of hazards from extremists. The
latest warning March 30 advised
airlines to fly at least 26,000 feet
above the Sinai, to stay out of range
of anti-aircraft weapons, mortars,
rockets and small-arms fire around
airports on the peninsula."
The good thing is that Black Boxes have been recovered in good condition. Thats the only way to find out the real cause. There were so many Plane accidents in this year. Hope next year will be safe..
I don't think Israeli army has anything to do with the crash. Actually I think no one from any officially organized army would purposely kill hundreds of innocent people. Only some insane terrorists could do this.
But it seems like some technical problems were the reason of this particular tragedy.
But it seems like some technical problems were the reason of this particular tragedy.
Aw shucks, it´s Clapper. James Robert Clapper, Jr. U.S. Director of National Intelligence.
what about the supposed video of the crash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
Actually it was at six miles or so. And if it was so prepared and set up don´t you think they´d have some better equipment than a phone ready? It could be the plane who knows and if it is it could be taken by any Mohamed around there. Most of mankind has camera phones these days.
But it´s a little too much of a coincidence that it went down right there. Also everybody, the Russians, U.S. intelligence director Crapper and the usual lesser lights are very eager to play down any terror angle. So, that smells funny.
what about the supposed video of the crash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilwy96CHGgk
If they really filmed the plane then I think they knew something would happen because people usually don't film planes flying 30 miles above ground just for fun
And technical failure has been ruled out, the communication saying that there was a technical problem was a lie
I don´t doubt that Insane McCain and other nutcases sent those terrorist lunatics Stinger missiles, manpads or whatever is used against low flying aircraft. But to shoot down a plane 30,000 feet up you need much more sophisticated and powerful equipment. And personnel trained and qualified to operate it.
Either a very sophisticated ground to air system, radar tracking the target and guiding the rocket, which is a big rocket, or an attack aircraft, or a malicious item placed on board.
There is no reason to suspect anything other that structural failure until evidence shows otherwise. Could have been a tail falling off, part of the fuselage coming off in an explosive decompression.
If as mentioned the pilot SAID they had mechanical trouble and he was going to land, that rules....
The tail section seems to have split off in flight. If it was due to explosives they´ll presumably find residue of that.
The black boxes are in good shape. They need time to investigate this, that´s all for now.
I don´t doubt that Insane McCain and other nutcases sent those terrorist lunatics Stinger missiles, manpads or whatever is used against low flying aircraft. But to shoot down a plane 30,000 feet up you need much more sophisticated and powerful equipment. And personnel trained and qualified to operate it.
Either a very sophisticated ground to air system, radar tracking the target and guiding the rocket, which is a big rocket, or an attack aircraft, or a malicious item placed on board.
There is no reason to suspect anything other that structural failure until evidence shows otherwise. Could have been a tail falling off, part of the fuselage coming off in an explosive decompression.
If as mentioned the pilot SAID they had mechanical trouble and he was going to land, that rules....
I don´t doubt that Insane McCain and other nutcases sent those terrorist lunatics Stinger missiles, manpads or whatever is used against low flying aircraft. But to shoot down a plane 30,000 feet up you need much more sophisticated and powerful equipment. And personnel trained and qualified to operate it.
I think that the crash was not because any military action . it is an accident that may happen with any plane
i think you need to check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i2GIpX5ec 
This was most probably a technical failure - the plane was an old machine, which already sustained damage to its tail part during its service. Most probably a case of a budget airline being too "budget".
Too early to say and to place the blame. Give it a month (not a year, like in MH-17 case!) to decode the recorders and to analyse the evidence.
Too early to say and to place the blame. Give it a month (not a year, like in MH-17 case!) to decode the recorders and to analyse the evidence.
Russians could just blow themselves up just to plot it. they've been meaning to go war with these region. It sure a good way to simply have access to ground zero and so they'll have reason to go war.
Lol, plot to start a war which already started month ago. You, sir, are an idiot. Really?
Never really watch TV news these days. then its no surprise if they just blow each other then.
Russians could just blow themselves up just to plot it. they've been meaning to go war with these region. It sure a good way to simply have access to ground zero and so they'll have reason to go war.
Lol, plot to start a war which already has been started more than month ago. Sorry, sir, but are an idiot. Besidea that, only cowards like US need a "reason" to go war. It can be seen in history, that country like Russia wouldn't care about excuses.
Russians could just blow themselves up just to plot it. they've been meaning to go war with these region. It sure a good way to simply have access to ground zero and so they'll have reason to go war.
I don't think it was done by Israel. It was probably technical issue.
So there is no reason to be paranoid.
So there is no reason to be paranoid.
Could be possible, but who knows, you'll only get to see what they show you
no, the jews might be evil but they are too clever to do something like that, there is no way they'd risk the russian response
@catch.me.if.you.can doubt israel or america did it. Too great a risk of the situation escalating. And a lot of that speculation doesn't make sense. More likely isis got someone on board with explosives.
The black box was already recovered. And debris was collected and is going to be analyzed. So the causes will probably be known soon. But it doesn't look like it was an accident because of the way the plane broke in two in mid air.
This could just be a regular crash without any foul play. But hey who knows, we will probably never know otherwise 
The black box was already recovered. And debris was collected and is going to be analyzed. So the causes will probably be known soon. But it doesn't look like it was an accident because of the way the plane broke in two in mid air.
Well, since the bodies and debris was scattered over a wide area, (3 by 5 miles or so) the plane must have come apart up in the air I guess.
if its an organized terrorist they would not just target any plane without a high rank personnel it that plane. but i presume this is just an act as start of something far more worst.
Well I was reading maybe month ago about senator John Mccain and he said he would arm isis and give them the weapons to bring down Russian planes!
http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syrian-rebels-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/][url]http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syrian-rebels-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/[/url]
It`s just crazy what is happening there, for me this easily can be truth they showed allready that they wish to go in war with everyone. I saw somewhere they earning more then 50 millions per month just from oil so to whom they sell it, who give them guns, who are their allies... Or maybe they just brag about it? It`s very hard to see what is real in all that mess, I`m sorry for innocent people get`s hurt.
May all those passangers from plane rest in peace.
http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syrian-rebels-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/][url]http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syrian-rebels-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/[/url]
It`s just crazy what is happening there, for me this easily can be truth they showed allready that they wish to go in war with everyone. I saw somewhere they earning more then 50 millions per month just from oil so to whom they sell it, who give them guns, who are their allies... Or maybe they just brag about it? It`s very hard to see what is real in all that mess, I`m sorry for innocent people get`s hurt.
May all those passangers from plane rest in peace.
This could just be a regular crash without any foul play. But hey who knows, we will probably never know otherwise
I think that the crash was not because any military action . it is an accident that may happen with any plane
Umm... I heard that the pilot of the plane had told the dispatcher that plane's having some technical problems as soon as they departured from the airport. He said they'll land on the next possible airport, just.. didn't succeed.
Quite possible.You can't rule out any possibility for the region in question is valuable to all parties involved.Russia,US,Israel etc all have their interests and this could lead to a major war in region
On Saturday, a Russian passenger plane (Airbus A-321-200) carrying 217 passengers including 25 children blew-up in air 23 minutes after taking off from resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh for St. Petersburg in Russia. Everyone on board including seven crew-members died.
The plane is operated by Russian Metrojet. Its website identified the pilot, captain Valery Nemov with excellent flying record of 12000 hours. It also said that the aircraft was in good shape.
The Egyptian government of military dictator Gen. Sisi has called the accident a result of “crashed landing” due to some technical problems.
Now, here why I smell some rotten eggs in this story; 1) Gen. Sisi is a Crypto Jew and very popular within Israeli regime, 2) Israel has offered its “help” to investigate (remove any evidence of Mossad involvement as it did France, Argentina, Spain, Kenya, the US, UK, Turkey, etc. in the past) the accident, 3) US-Israel’s baby ISIS has taken credit for shooting the plane to revenge Russian airstrikes in Syria against anti-Assad rebels, 4) Egyptian Sinai Peninsula which borders Israel, was occupied by Israel for nearly two decades, 5) Egypt has welcomed Russian military involvement in Syria claiming that would root-out Salaafi/Wahabi terrorism, 6) Israeli poodle governments in Bonn and Paris have banned commercial flights over Sinai Peninsula, and 7) Rita Katz, the Jewish ‘video expert’ has already released a video in support of ISIS claim.
Russian Transport Ministry officials have rejected ISIS claim saying that “plane at 31K feet is outside MANPAD range”.
Mokhtar Awad, an analyst with the Center for American Progress, has also rejected ISIS claim – calling it “quite vague”. The Washington-based group was founded by Bill Clinton’s deputy chief of staff, John Podesta (Jewish) in 2003.
Lt. Col. Stephen Avery, who had piloted Airbus 321 in the past, has also rejected IS claim in the video. He says that Airbus 321 doesn’t have the power to reach 31,000 feet range.
I’m surprised the Egypt, Israel and United States have not awarded the honor of planting a bomb inside the plane to anti-Israel Muslim Brotherhood that supported Mufti al-Husseini against Jew settlers.
The shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile MANPAD has a maximum range of 1500 feet. The question is who provided the IS those missiles other than the US or Israel?
Based on the above facts, I believe it was a warning to Putin to get the hell out of Syria by USrael.
See more: http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/01/did-israel-just-shot-down-a-russian-passenger-plane/
The plane is operated by Russian Metrojet. Its website identified the pilot, captain Valery Nemov with excellent flying record of 12000 hours. It also said that the aircraft was in good shape.
The Egyptian government of military dictator Gen. Sisi has called the accident a result of “crashed landing” due to some technical problems.
Now, here why I smell some rotten eggs in this story; 1) Gen. Sisi is a Crypto Jew and very popular within Israeli regime, 2) Israel has offered its “help” to investigate (remove any evidence of Mossad involvement as it did France, Argentina, Spain, Kenya, the US, UK, Turkey, etc. in the past) the accident, 3) US-Israel’s baby ISIS has taken credit for shooting the plane to revenge Russian airstrikes in Syria against anti-Assad rebels, 4) Egyptian Sinai Peninsula which borders Israel, was occupied by Israel for nearly two decades, 5) Egypt has welcomed Russian military involvement in Syria claiming that would root-out Salaafi/Wahabi terrorism, 6) Israeli poodle governments in Bonn and Paris have banned commercial flights over Sinai Peninsula, and 7) Rita Katz, the Jewish ‘video expert’ has already released a video in support of ISIS claim.
Russian Transport Ministry officials have rejected ISIS claim saying that “plane at 31K feet is outside MANPAD range”.
Mokhtar Awad, an analyst with the Center for American Progress, has also rejected ISIS claim – calling it “quite vague”. The Washington-based group was founded by Bill Clinton’s deputy chief of staff, John Podesta (Jewish) in 2003.
Lt. Col. Stephen Avery, who had piloted Airbus 321 in the past, has also rejected IS claim in the video. He says that Airbus 321 doesn’t have the power to reach 31,000 feet range.
I’m surprised the Egypt, Israel and United States have not awarded the honor of planting a bomb inside the plane to anti-Israel Muslim Brotherhood that supported Mufti al-Husseini against Jew settlers.
The shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile MANPAD has a maximum range of 1500 feet. The question is who provided the IS those missiles other than the US or Israel?
Based on the above facts, I believe it was a warning to Putin to get the hell out of Syria by USrael.
See more: http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/01/did-israel-just-shot-down-a-russian-passenger-plane/
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