Did Satoshi change his mind on certain subjects?

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Quote from: NickofTime on January 02, 2023, 12:41:31 PM

To be fair the word "lame" was added by you, not by Satoshi. Wink

Satoshi only said some users will be very insisting on keeping the block size small.

to be fair the word 'insisting' was added by you(you down playing the malicious idiocy of some).. satoshi specifically said tyrannical. which implies malice and so i get to also insult such people too

i said lame because its now 2023 and the idiots(yep i said it) that want to keep blocks small are using excuses for the last 5+ years that bitcoiners cant use broadband/fibre 4/5G and that bitcoin has to stay at 2008 era tech
"for the benefit of maximising who can use bitcoin(be full noders)"
gain its lame because we are actually in 2023 not 2008

it would be soo hilarious if them same tyrants/lame idiots tried the same narrative on the netflix/streaming/twitch or gaming industry

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Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2023, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: NickofTime on January 02, 2023, 08:45:31 AM

I've been looking at past threads and I'm confused on what Satoshi's position was on certain issues.

In August Satoshi seems confident that block size may be increased with no regards to size, eventually allowing micropayments as storage and bandwidth capacity improve over the years. Then in December, he hints that block size might remain small to allow as many users as possible. Did he then change his opinion on storage/bandwidth improvements in the future? I'm not sure what to make of this.

nope
in the december.2010 he says some bitcoiners will become tyrannical and want to keep blocks small with lame excuses of wanting it to be available on small devices wheree those types of lame excuse idiots were thinking holding back tx counts for those idiots to have bitcoin on a phone would mean more people would get to use bitcoin(sorry but no thats not how utility works)
back then there was not really a "lite wallet" so now in 2022 people trying to use the excuse of keep the full nodes small vi block limits and pruning has meaningless lame reasoning. because phone users can just use a lite wallet instead

the debates(s) were also about including more bloated data unrelated to bitcoin transfers. where people wanted to store library books and domain registries on the bitcoin blockchain. he was simply stating that other data does not need to be pumped into bitcoin blockchain and also that bitcoin can grow for bitcoin utility. while people have separate networks for the other data and find ways to cross communicate when purchasing domains without the need for the domain details to bloat up bitcoin

To be fair the word "lame" was added by you, not by Satoshi. Wink

Satoshi only said some users will be very insisting on keeping the block size small.

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Quote from: NickofTime on January 02, 2023, 08:45:31 AM

I've been looking at past threads and I'm confused on what Satoshi's position was on certain issues.

In August Satoshi seems confident that block size may be increased with no regards to size, eventually allowing micropayments as storage and bandwidth capacity improve over the years. Then in December, he hints that block size might remain small to allow as many users as possible. Did he then change his opinion on storage/bandwidth improvements in the future? I'm not sure what to make of this.

nope
in the december.2010 he says some bitcoiners will become tyrannical and want to keep blocks small with lame excuses of wanting it to be available on small devices wheree those types of lame excuse idiots were thinking holding back tx counts for those idiots to have bitcoin on a phone would mean more people would get to use bitcoin(sorry but no thats not how utility works)
back then there was not really a "lite wallet" so now in 2022 people trying to use the excuse of keep the full nodes small vi block limits and pruning has meaningless lame reasoning. because phone users can just use a lite wallet instead

the debates(s) were also about including more bloated data unrelated to bitcoin transfers. where people wanted to store library books and domain registries on the bitcoin blockchain. he was simply stating that other data does not need to be pumped into bitcoin blockchain and also that bitcoin can grow for bitcoin utility. while people have separate networks for the other data and find ways to cross communicate when purchasing domains without the need for the domain details to bloat up bitcoin

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A few things to consider.

When Satoshi launched Bitcoin, it was not a perfect Currency. It was not as greatly made as today. The concept was still insane, but Satoshi was not a God.

I see it in a different way. It seems to me that Satoshi was open minded and knew the future Bitcoin will not look like the Bitcoin he released years prior. So he came up with a lot of possibilities and solutions he thought of for each of them. I believe he was more focused on what will realistically happen in the future and how the community will see Bitcoin instead of focusing on what he wants.

Every time I read his posts, I see most of them as possibilities and solutions. Like a third view over everything taking place. Not personal opinions. Even where you see opinions, they are constructive most of the time.

Surprisingly, most of his ideas and thoughts eventually came true. But since Bitcoin was not a perfect Currency, even if he did change his mind it is something to be expected. As Bitcoin and its community evolved, he saw flaws he could not before. He saw possibilities he could not before. So, change is expected.

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Quote from: NickofTime on January 02, 2023, 08:45:31 AM

December 10 2010 - Satoshi anticipates that the block size might get kept small to allow as many users and small devices as possible
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28917

I seem to be reading a different meaning into the threads you linked.
Here in December 10, Satoshi only hint to the block size was; "...Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.", meaning that he anticipated there would be a resistance to any increase in the block size for the obvious reasons.
And reading a bit about the history of the blocksize limitations here, there existed such a debate, both for and against an increase.

While this post by Satoshi does not explicitly mean a change of mind imo, there's nothing wrong in changing your mind with more information and after trying out the first proposition. Bitcoin has been a work in progress for a number of years.

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I've been looking at past threads and I'm confused on what Satoshi's position was on certain issues.

November 2 2008 - Satoshi believes that eventually nodes will be run on server farms with specialized hardware.
https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-November/014815.html

August 5 2010 - Satoshi anticipates that micropayments could be possible due to storage and bandwidth improvements in the future
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7687

August 11 2010 - Satoshi hints that block size may be significantly increased
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8810

December 9 2010 - Satoshi hints at merge mining ? Possibly to mitigate for small blocks?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28715

December 10 2010 - Satoshi anticipates that the block size might get kept small to allow as many users and small devices as possible
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28917

In August Satoshi seems confident that block size may be increased with no regards to size, eventually allowing micropayments as storage and bandwidth capacity improve over the years. Then in December, he hints that block size might remain small to allow as many users as possible. Did he then change his opinion on storage/bandwidth improvements in the future? I'm not sure what to make of this.

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