Did the US, its allies and the West think these sanctions through?

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Quote from: Nerdy doctor on March 23, 2022, 04:22:51 PM

Sanctions being slammed on Russia no doubt is a major cause of the energy crisis and inflation experienced by all countries that directly or indirectly had Russia, a major supplier of energy as it's supplier.
Russia along with a host of countries are definitely feeling the impacts of these sanctions

the big problem is the west can't distance himself from a corrupt jew, israel could but the west can't so everything escalates.

jews face serious times, god seeks to make an example of comedian zelinski, for jews to understand. life is serious, people's greed and wishes are treatening each other.

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Quote from: OgNasty on March 24, 2022, 01:38:54 PM

I don’t think our current administration has thought anything through. They seemed surprised that their insane money printing to fight the flu caused inflation and are now even insanely trying to blame it on Russia. I don’t know if this current administration thinks people are so stupid they can just keep lying and people will believe it, but they’ve lost any credibility they may have had. “Two weeks to flatten the curve.” “Inflation is transitory.” Absolutely shameful. If you are a liberal who still defends this administration you are a victim of munchausen syndrome.

Nkw I see a write up saying Joe Biden has approved Ukrainians that left their home as a result if the war into America, will this cause further inflation ?
And bout the money printing system can't help them.for too long, they should do what's right. I see China doubled and boosted it's economy during the Covid pandemic.

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 23, 2022, 04:39:08 PM

Russia is demanding payment for oil in rubles from "unfriendly countries": https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-europe-moscow-4790d3d85ac2cf9a8d8b19d2717c0e03

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Putin told a meeting with government officials that “a number of Western countries made illegitimate decisions on the so-called freezing of the Russian assets, effectively drawing a line over reliability of their currencies, undermining the trust for those currencies.” “It makes no sense whatsoever,” Putin added, “to supply our goods to the European Union, the United States and receive payment in dollars, euros and a number of other currencies.”

Just one of many ways to circumvent sanctions. These countries imposing sanctions are not ignorant, they knew what they were doing. They just felt supporting Ukraine was a worthy cause. Putin is correct - there is no incentive for him to accept any other currency if sanctions can wipe away any assets Russia has on a whim. EU is left with the predicament of either not importing Russian energy or utilizing rubles in their transactions with Russia.

no they didn't knew what they are doing, they also had no idea what they are doing when they where told over 8 years about the genocide in ukraine. This is Real life, not some Video game which you can Replay.

western elite's are just a bunch of morons that follow woke zionist press and its diffamation tactics with key words like "dictator" "nazi" "fascist" "antisemite" "islamist" "racist" and others.
they worship the jews and think they have to defend them no matter what they do and how corrupt they where.

thats why they are doomed and through putin will get cleansed,

besides the EU is not truly european its transatlantic and thats a big issue it is also responsible for the genocide that started the ukraine war

a genocide that is still a taboo topic to talk about among them. just like the genocide they claim the turks did.

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 23, 2022, 04:39:08 PM

Russia is demanding payment for oil in rubles from "unfriendly countries": https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-europe-moscow-4790d3d85ac2cf9a8d8b19d2717c0e03

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Putin told a meeting with government officials that “a number of Western countries made illegitimate decisions on the so-called freezing of the Russian assets, effectively drawing a line over reliability of their currencies, undermining the trust for those currencies.” “It makes no sense whatsoever,” Putin added, “to supply our goods to the European Union, the United States and receive payment in dollars, euros and a number of other currencies.”

Just one of many ways to circumvent sanctions. These countries imposing sanctions are not ignorant, they knew what they were doing. They just felt supporting Ukraine was a worthy cause. Putin is correct - there is no incentive for him to accept any other currency if sanctions can wipe away any assets Russia has on a whim. EU is left with the predicament of either not importing Russian energy or utilizing rubles in their transactions with Russia.

Personally, I think he's smart to sell energy in rubles. And Russia has been selling to Europe for so long they got dependent on their supply. They're now faced with having enough rubles to purchase energy and watch the value of the rubles go up or buy the little they can from other suppliers and suffer the brunt of whatever follows

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I don’t think our current administration has thought anything through. They seemed surprised that their insane money printing to fight the flu caused inflation and are now even insanely trying to blame it on Russia. I don’t know if this current administration thinks people are so stupid they can just keep lying and people will believe it, but they’ve lost any credibility they may have had. “Two weeks to flatten the curve.” “Inflation is transitory.” Absolutely shameful. If you are a liberal who still defends this administration you are a victim of munchausen syndrome.

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 23, 2022, 04:39:08 PM

Russia is demanding payment for oil in rubles from "unfriendly countries": https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-europe-moscow-4790d3d85ac2cf9a8d8b19d2717c0e03

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Putin told a meeting with government officials that “a number of Western countries made illegitimate decisions on the so-called freezing of the Russian assets, effectively drawing a line over reliability of their currencies, undermining the trust for those currencies.” “It makes no sense whatsoever,” Putin added, “to supply our goods to the European Union, the United States and receive payment in dollars, euros and a number of other currencies.”

Just one of many ways to circumvent sanctions. These countries imposing sanctions are not ignorant, they knew what they were doing. They just felt supporting Ukraine was a worthy cause. Putin is correct - there is no incentive for him to accept any other currency if sanctions can wipe away any assets Russia has on a whim. EU is left with the predicament of either not importing Russian energy or utilizing rubles in their transactions with Russia.

And Utilization if this rubble's gives them or makes the valuable right ?
I see Europeans will get the bad side of it, if they're not ready buy gas with rubble's.
But everyone needs gas for transportation and heat, increase in price might also come up in this case since everyone wants energy and gas.

Europe will have to cave in, or find alternate energy sources. It's interesting to see the shock by Westerners that see USD being dumped by major countries, as if these unforeseen consequences of sanctions were truly inconceivable. Any crypto currency advocate saw this coming from miles away, many members of this forum. Russia's been emptying out their USD reserves for years now, and when they've been trading with China they haven't been conducting their transactions in USD as they once did. Good luck to USD, I suppose. And good luck to Europe in their search of energy.

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Europe's undoing is its heavy reliance on Russia's oil and gas. Russia would keep having the funds to finance this war because 40% of Europe rely on them for supply. No European country has sanctioned the Russian oil and gas sector. Putin knows that Russia for now in indispensable, that's why the sanctions are not deterring him. The sanctions would affect Russia in few years not now. To cushion the effect of the sanctions, Russia is mandating its European clients to pay with the Russian Rubles and this led to the currency's increase in value. Sanctions would not stop this way, compromise or Victory in the battlefield is the only way out. Ukraine should be neutral and cede its territories or NATO should give Ukraine more arms and sophisticated airspace defence systems or declare a no fly zone over Ukraine.

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Quote from: lumbanrang on March 24, 2022, 08:37:35 AM

For example, in America itself, the price of oil is now rising and this will cause inflation to get worse there

I'll tell you more, if now heavy Ural oil is sold at a significant discount to light Brent oil, then the situation will probably soon change to the opposite and heavy oil will become significantly more expensive than light oil. Because although it is needed relatively little for the regular operation of oil refineries, it is produced, apart from Russia, only by Iran and Venezuela. The United States has seriously quarreled with all the suppliers of heavy oil in the world.

It seems Madeleine Albright once said that the United States would buy Russian oil for rubles only over her corpse. Well, she kept her word, R.I.P.

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Even if Russia is affected by sanctions, they don't care, because Russia can also reduce their oil or gas supply and make Europe miserable. For example, in America itself, the price of oil is now rising and this will cause inflation to get worse there

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 23, 2022, 04:39:08 PM

Russia is demanding payment for oil in rubles from "unfriendly countries": https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-europe-moscow-4790d3d85ac2cf9a8d8b19d2717c0e03

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Putin told a meeting with government officials that “a number of Western countries made illegitimate decisions on the so-called freezing of the Russian assets, effectively drawing a line over reliability of their currencies, undermining the trust for those currencies.” “It makes no sense whatsoever,” Putin added, “to supply our goods to the European Union, the United States and receive payment in dollars, euros and a number of other currencies.”

Just one of many ways to circumvent sanctions. These countries imposing sanctions are not ignorant, they knew what they were doing. They just felt supporting Ukraine was a worthy cause. Putin is correct - there is no incentive for him to accept any other currency if sanctions can wipe away any assets Russia has on a whim. EU is left with the predicament of either not importing Russian energy or utilizing rubles in their transactions with Russia.

the western Leftwing Woke Zionist elite will end up being the target of this, they do these sanctions that change russia and imperish the west.

this is all about the ability to strike down middle eastern communities.

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Russia is demanding payment for oil in rubles from "unfriendly countries": https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-europe-moscow-4790d3d85ac2cf9a8d8b19d2717c0e03

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Putin told a meeting with government officials that “a number of Western countries made illegitimate decisions on the so-called freezing of the Russian assets, effectively drawing a line over reliability of their currencies, undermining the trust for those currencies.” “It makes no sense whatsoever,” Putin added, “to supply our goods to the European Union, the United States and receive payment in dollars, euros and a number of other currencies.”

Just one of many ways to circumvent sanctions. These countries imposing sanctions are not ignorant, they knew what they were doing. They just felt supporting Ukraine was a worthy cause. Putin is correct - there is no incentive for him to accept any other currency if sanctions can wipe away any assets Russia has on a whim. EU is left with the predicament of either not importing Russian energy or utilizing rubles in their transactions with Russia.

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Sanctions being slammed on Russia no doubt is a major cause of the energy crisis and inflation experienced by all countries that directly or indirectly had Russia, a major supplier of energy as it's supplier.
Russia along with a host of countries are definitely feeling the impacts of these sanctions

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