Topic: Disagreement with member over sale, community input requested **UPDATED** (Read 1440 times)

I meant new or used so far as what I'd use as comps to decide what I'd pay, not that I'd be ok with receiving used gear when I was promised new.

I do rotate gear constantly, as in I'm always buying and selling.

My intentions to resell, use them, or fire them from a cannon are irrelevant to the seller delivering what was agreed upon.

I'm not trying to "lure" the seller into sending anything except what's in plain text in the escrow agreement.

IMO buyer screwed seller.

Buyer intimated it was for his personal use "I'm rotating mining gear constantly and I'm a sucker for a good deal on a badass PSU or three." and goes onto say he doesn't mind new or used [because of this]

Which is why seller after being informed buyer in fact is trying to resell them as new, cannot understand it all. If buyer intimates it is for personal use and doesn't mind new or used, seller drops his ordinary guard about explicitly stating there is no box, these are fresh returns from RMA whatever.

Buyer lulled seller into understanding that BNIB is not a big deal to him because he is constantly rotating his gear and appreciates a good deal.

All of which seller provided. Not BNIB and a very good deal.




IMO buyers sneakery to secure a quick good deal under the guise of personal use, backfired when in fact he wanted to resell them as brand new all along.

Glad I was helpful, To be honest, It is still a bargain, blah01, I know it sounds cliché but try and use pics and describe everything as best as possible, I think this is not a bad situation and is amicable for both sides to just sweep this under the rug and get on with it.

That's 3 people now, I'll go with that, then.  Going to test all 3 right quick and will reach out via PM to release the .86.

Thanks everyone!

If I was doing this escrow I would offer the option to ship back and split the shipping,

But I see no problem in just accepting the 0.86 and just call it a day.

Both Blackheart and Blazedout have done a MASSIVE amount of buying and selling on this forum.  They both think .86 is fair to end this deal.  Release the .86 and this can be over. 

This is exactly what I was doing, not having the retail packaging drops my resale value pretty noticeably, even if it doesn't affect the usability of the PSU itself.  Also yes, it's not like I a got a bad deal, I'm just irked that I didn't get what we agreed upon and he doesn't seem to think that there's anything wrong with that.  Instead of a simple "you're right, I didn't send what's in the escrow agreement", I'm basically getting "well, you got a good deal and it cost me more than expected to ship it, and it's going to cost me more to get the cable i didn't send, so suck it up".  


That was also my feelings on the matter, in my opinion they were misdescribed from the get-go.  Combine them being described as being brand new along with a stock photo showing the entire retail setup, and I think it's understandable how I came to the conclusion of what was being offered.  The fact that they were refurbs from RMA was never even mentioned until after the fact when he was still defending them as brand new.

At the end of the day, I don't feel like blah01 is intentionally trying to get away with anything, I just don't think that we're at all on the same page about the definition of brand new, and I'm guessing he just overlooked that I thought that I was getting 3 LEPAs (and wrote it into the escrow agreement based on that) and not 2 LEPAs and a Silverstone.  I suppose that I should have been more specific in the initial PM thread that I thought that we were talking about 3 LEPAs, but even though I failed to do that, surely listing it multiple times in the escrow agreement that was out there for 4 days before shipment allowed him ample opportunity to correct my misconception?

That being said, I also don't really think that I should have to be the one to cover return shipping in this situation.  I know that he doesn't want to be out $50+return shipping, which is why I'm trying to make a deal for a small amount off.

I initially proposed $45 back, guessing it's going to run me $15 or so to get a new cable, and then $15 back per PSU that wasn't as described.  Considering that the difference in resale value for me is more like $50-60 per unit, I think that was more than fair.  But instead what I get back is a snarky reply about how I should be able to find a power cable for cheap since i'm "such a power ebay user", and I'm overvaluing it.

In all honesty, if he had just admitted from the start that he didn't send what was agreed upon and said "sorry about that", I probably would have been content to settle for a couple bucks back and to wait on the cable from him.  Instead what I got was constant deflection and defense and justification that because I got such a great deal, that I had no room to complain about not receiving what was listed in the agreement and even using the fact that he overpaid for shipping by shipping in 3 separate boxes instead of one to claim that I paid less per unit for the PSUs "Also, you paid 330.00 dollars which shipping was 50 bucks so 280.00 for 3 brand new 1600watt power supplies is paying a used price. ".

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Brand New means Brand New - means new sealed unopened or possibly if they were opened, they were simply removed from the box for photographing purposes and never used, never plugged in and include all cabling and standard accessories including the stupid crap that manufacturers put in the box that none of us care about. 

Like New would be lightly used but still complete

After that you'd be down to very good and stating the missing accessories. 

I don't have a dog in this fight - just putting out there what Brand New means.

RMA refurb replacements would not be brand new... they would be manufacturer refurbished. 

Seems like a good solution...

Regardless of how good the deal was, you have to send what was advertised. OP might have wanted them retail boxed for resale purposes. You did get these for a steal though  

Edit: always use pictures when selling goods...then there is no surprises.

I feel that going down to .86 is fair.  However you should have the option to return them if you want.  
If you didn't want them I would be fine purchasing them for the .936.

This was at ognasty's suggestion, as he is unable to function as a mediator, which I can understand.  We've been back and forth on PMs all day, I don't think we're going to get any further than we have already.

Thanks, updated the title to **UPDATED** so anyone who already popped in can see that your post is here now.

well everything is in his pm's it appears that he linked so I really don't have to say much.  Make your own judgement.

A. He used two different For Sale threads to ASSUME that I had 3 lepas. One ad was a for trade and the other was for a straight sale. They are not the same thread.  The For Sale ad clearly states 2 Lepas and 1 Silvertek, multiple times. (also, they are very equal power supplies, I actually like the Silverteks better)

B. He ASSUMED they were new in box although no where on the For Sale thread (or the trade thread for that matter) does it say NEW IN BOX. It clearly states brand new power supplies. I linked stock photos to show the product and then clearly sent a picture of a power supply OUT OF BOX.

C. He got a great deal. At the time he paid 330.00 for 2 day shipping and 3 outstanding power supplies that are 300.00 bucks a piece.  Not being in a box doesn't change performance.  He didn't pay second hand new prices of 175.00 and up, he paid second hand used prices (75.00-120.00 his words) for brand new power supplies and is complaining because he now can't sell them for the brand new in box prices.

D. I did forget to include a power cable, it was a mistake and I admitted to it and told him I would ship one to him or would buy one if I couldn't find the one.  Also, most of the cables I included that were out of box and not in brand new unopened packaging as the others were, are indeed brand new and only a couple used and I even included more than what comes in a standard pack because I no longer needed them.

E. I did ship a couple of days late.  


Now, is it really necessary I take off more money than I already have? The sale price was an outstanding price, no one can deny that and they are indeed brand new power supplies and they are all in working order and still under warranty.  I am an honest guy just trying to make a sale of some equipment I had because I need some money.  I didn't try to get over on anyone and this guy seems to think I owe him something.  

Oh and I even agreed to come down on the price a little bit more to end this argument and to compensate for the cable that is missing since he proposed a new price.  I merely countered, less than half way on my end, and he is still wanting more. I feel like he is trying to split hairs to get over on me and get something else out of the deal.  How much do you guys think these power supplies are worth?

and on a side note: I am completely amazed it has come down to a thread posting....

Please reserve judgement until blah01 posts his side of the story.  I've PMed him the link to this thread.

**UPDATE** blah01 has posted his side.

First, the escrow agreement, sent via PM from myself to blah01 and OgNasty:

PM Title: Escrow for 3 LEPA 1600 PSUs w/ blah01

And now for our exchange on the escrow agreement, again the only edits are to redact personal info:

PM Title: Re: Escrow for 3 LEPA 1600 PSUs w/ blah01


tl;dr

My issue here is that I was expecting 3 identical new in box supplies that I could sell two of for $150-160 or so each and get to keep one for free/cheap for my troubles after shipping/eBay fees.  Instead what I have is only one that meets that criteria and 2 used/not in box supplies with one missing the huge beefy power cable(normally I wouldn't care about this, but this isn't a standard PC power cable due to the size of the PSUs and the type of connection on the rear of the PSU) that I basically paid eBay prices for even though I bought a quantity and one that isn't even the same brand or wattage as the other two.