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March 03, 2024, 04:36:56 AM
#8

You made a valid point, but I think OP made an off-topic here because the stock market has no place at the Bitcoin discussion section.

Tactics of a person who likes a link from a forum.
Goof enough for indexing it is.

The op topic seem deviating as you observed but I can conclude base on the facts that some pass tru situation which may make him come up with such but my opinion is that let him carry out some work because I am little beat not inline with his idea.
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February 28, 2024, 09:55:52 AM
#7

You made a valid point, but I think OP made an off-topic here because the stock market has no place at the Bitcoin discussion section.

Tactics of a person who likes a link from a forum.
Goof enough for indexing it is.
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January 15, 2024, 08:59:20 PM
#6
money doesnt disapear

the OP tries to protray this scenario

when you buy a share at $10. the money sits in a reserve. if the market price changes to $5 and the person sales he gets $5. and the other $5 disapears..


however the reality is
at the first purchase, another holder had the share and wanted to sell the share for $10. and the buyer gave him $10

there is no reserve holding money. the seller got the whole $10
the seller leaves and spends it on his lifestyle

now the current holder that paid $10. realises later he cant sell his share to break even and the market of buyers are only demanding $5,
so reluctantly sells at a loss. and the new buyer got a share for $5.

money doesnt disappear. its always swapped between buyers and sellers. is just sometimes there are winners sometimes there are loses.
but the money does tally between buyer-seller

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stocks/shares/crypto markets are not just "supply""demand"
there are deeper levels involved

lets take 2 cryptos..
imagine that they are used by the same merchants, accepted on same exchanges, they have the same blocktimes and average tx per block, and even coin rewards per block
where the only difference is the block ID hash method

A. PoW with 500exahash network
B. PoW with 5exahash network

calculating the current generation asics rate, power and hardware cost
where world wide electric ranges from $0.04-$0.50
A. has a world wide mining cost per coin range of $25k-$140k
B. has a world wide mining cost per coin range of $250-$1.4k

everyone on the planet can mine for less than (A. $140k) (B. $1.4k) so no one planet will want to market buy coin above that amount if they can happily mine for less

no one on the planet can mine for less than (A. $25k) (B. $250) so no one planet will want to market sell coin below that amount if they can happily mine for less

now you should see the economics of why the two PoW have different speculative market window lengths people trade within

..
now ..
within each markets speculative window.. (A. min $25k .. B. min $250)  (A. max $140k .. B. max $250)
different people in different locations have different costs
EG pacific islands(japan hawaii) have electric at the $0.50(max) rate and slavic countries at the $0.04(min) rate

japan and hawaii are not going to mine. its too expensive but will happily buy while the market is below (AB max)
slavic countries are going to mine. its too expensive to buy and will happily mine and sell the market is above (AB min)

and all of this is yet to even incorporate the "supply/demand" of high school dumb economics
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January 15, 2024, 12:46:46 PM
#5
Well! Money of course disappears and comes back in a certain way.

Everyone has their perception! In my view, the money we spend on unnecessary things is like a river water flow. They just keep disappearing
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September 11, 2023, 11:48:52 AM
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Great stock market article; you explained complex topics. Like equities, Bitcoin's "disappearing money" is driven by supply and demand. Bitcoin trading is mostly speculative and unaffected by earnings and obligations. Stocks have explicit and implicit values based on a company's performance and perceived future potential, Bitcoin's value is primarily driven by market sentiment and the laws of scarcity. Bitcoin has a limit of 21 million, and as more people use it, its price will grow.

Like equities, no one profits from Bitcoin's decline. The perceived value has decreased due to market attitude, restrictions, and maybe macroeconomic conditions. Shorting Bitcoin is similar to stock markets but more volatile.
You made a valid point, but I think OP made an off-topic here because the stock market has no place at the Bitcoin discussion section. I thought he might have made some direct or indirect relation with BTC so the discussion would remain on-topic but AFAIK he did not even mention BTC or compare the stock market with BTC in his post.
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September 11, 2023, 10:16:13 AM
#3
Great stock market article; you explained complex topics. Like equities, Bitcoin's "disappearing money" is driven by supply and demand. Bitcoin trading is mostly speculative and unaffected by earnings and obligations. Stocks have explicit and implicit values based on a company's performance and perceived future potential, Bitcoin's value is primarily driven by market sentiment and the laws of scarcity. Bitcoin has a limit of 21 million, and as more people use it, its price will grow.

Like equities, no one profits from Bitcoin's decline. The perceived value has decreased due to market attitude, restrictions, and maybe macroeconomic conditions. Shorting Bitcoin is similar to stock markets but more volatile.
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September 11, 2023, 09:52:28 AM
#2
You are aware that is a Bitcoin Forum mainly? Even alt coins have little activity.
Stocks are not present here. Trading is.
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September 11, 2023, 09:42:14 AM
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Disappearing Money
Before we get to how money disappears, it is important to understand that regardless of whether the market is rising (a bull market) or falling (a bear market), supply and demand drive the price of stocks. And it's the fluctuations in stock prices (and the points at which you buy and sell shares) that determine whether you make money or lose it.

Buy and Sell Trades
If you purchase a stock for $10 and sell it for only $5, you will lose $5 per share. You may believe that that money goes to someone else, but that isn't exactly true. It doesn't go to the person who buys the stock from you.

For example, let's say you were thinking of buying a stock at $15, and before you do so, the stock price falls to $10 per share. You decide to purchase at $10, but you didn't gain the $5 depreciation in the stock price. Instead, you got the stock at the current market value of $10 per share.

In your mind, you may think that you saved $5, but you didn't actually earn a $5 profit. However, if the stock then rises from $10 back to $15, you will have a $5 (unrealized) gain.
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The same is true if you're holding stock and its price drops, leading you to sell it for a loss. The person buying it at that lower price—the price you sold it for—doesn't necessarily profit from your loss. That's because their entry point is the lower price and they must wait for the stock to rise above that level before making an unrealized (or realized) profit.

No one, including the company that issued the stock, pockets the money from your declining stock price. The money reflected by changes in stock prices isn't tallied and given to some investor. The changes in price are simply an independent by-product of supply and demand and corresponding investor transactions.

Short Selling
There are investors who place trades with a broker to sell a stock at a perceived high price with the expectation that it will decline. This is called short-selling.

If the stock price falls, the short seller profits by buying the stock at the lower price and closing out the trade. The net difference between the sale and buy prices is settled with the broker.

Although short-sellers profit from a declining price, they're not taking money from you in particular when you lose on a stock sale. Rather, they're conducting independent transactions and have just as much of a chance to lose or be wrong on their trade as investors who are long (own) the stock.

In other words, short-sellers profit on price declines, but it's a separate transaction from bullish investors who bought the stock and are losing money because the price is declining.

So the question remains: Where did the money go?

Implicit and Explicit Value
The most straightforward answer to this question is that it actually disappeared into thin air, due to the decrease in demand for the stock, or, more specifically, the decrease in enough investors' favorable perceptions of it to move the price down by selling.

But this capacity of money to dissolve into the unknown demonstrates the complex and somewhat contradictory nature of money. Yes, money is a teaser—at once intangible, flirting with our dreams and fantasies, and concrete, the thing with which we obtain our daily bread.

More precisely, this duplicity of money represents the two parts that make up a stock's market value: the implicit and explicit value.
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Implicit Value
On the one hand, value can be created or dissolved with the change in a stock's implicit value, which is determined by the personal perceptions and research of investors and analysts.

For example, a pharmaceutical company with the rights to the patent for the cure for cancer may have a much higher implicit value than that of a corner store.

Depending on investors' perceptions and expectations for the stock, implicit value is based on revenues and earnings forecasts.

If the implicit value undergoes a change—which, really, is generated by abstract things like faith and emotion—the stock price follows. A decrease in implicit value, for instance, leaves the owners of the stock with a loss in value because their asset is now worth less than its original price. Again, no one else necessarily receives the money; it simply vanishes due to investors' perceptions.

Explicit Value
Now that we've covered the above somewhat unreal characteristic of money, we cannot ignore how money also represents explicit value, which is the concrete value of a company.

Referred to as the accounting value (or book value), the explicit value is calculated by adding up all assets and subtracting liabilities. So, this represents the amount of money that would be left over if a company were to sell all of its assets at fair market value and then pay off all of the liabilities, such as bills and debts.

Without explicit value, the implicit value of the company would not exist. Investors' interpretation of the financial health and performance of a company is based on its explicit value. Explicit value is t
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