Topic: [Discussion] Our Successor in Bitcoin Forum (Read 514 times)

First off, the idea of a successor taking over when most folks on here retire would be invalid. This isn’t a monarchy where matters of successors would take precedence. I don’t think that’s something we should worried about as people would find their way to the forum as we all once did. But I also think it’s worthy to worry about the future of the forum. Would people be willing to be technical or share knowledge in regards to bitcoin? Would there always be intelligent brilliant topics and posts?

There are new members here all the time, it’s harder to have a high level membership due to merits but there are kids who are working towards building networks of people who would merit each other and grow, which is making them easier, still not as easy as back in the day when merit wasn't  a thing, you could have created an account and be a legendary one inside a month if you wanted to (would have been quite hard) because there wasn't even activity back then.

But I guarantee you, there will be kids who are under 20 years old right now, who would be 30+ years old in over a decade who do not have an idea about this place now, but will own a legendary account by that point.

OP, I prefer the answer given by @G_Besar, because it can give your children a little freedom so that the children will not be burdened with a responsibility if they should not have had the time to take on a responsibility from anyone. Because basically the father is the person who must be responsible for teaching every good knowledge to his children by not inheriting the account and wallet directly for him.


This is also a good solution. But creating a nearly identical account name will also put a mark on the two accounts as specifically linked. Although it is permissible for any reason when you want to stop and pass the relay on to your child.

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OP, if you have got the right answer for this. So it's a good idea to provide further feedback here, and if there's nothing more to respond to, I think it's better to just lock the thread. This is just a small suggestion from me.

Weird topics that randomly picked today. It's reminding me of my growing age again.

Anyway, I doubt my children want to assume this account. They will have their own interests in life and they should be busy with their own businesses and professions. And if they are also interested in cryptocurrencies, they can make their own accounts if they want to interact in this forum. But maybe I will allow someone to continue my account but it needs to rename my account into inthelongrun jr. or inthelongrun II.

For me it is also extraordinary because of someone's intention to teach others about Bitcoin. Regardless of which result he takes the money to buy the necessary necessities such as a laptop and so on.

From all of your questions I begin to understand, which is that you have a desire to inherit all the things that you already have for your own children.
I think it's good, but it would be better if you inherit all the knowledge that your child can use in the future, including how to forum and also how to trade and how to keep a wallet. Because you don't have to give your account or wallet to your child because all of that he can make for free and you only need to teach him about how to make good and correct posts.
I thought that was all from me. I hope this helps.

Let children be and remain in their category as children, the only impact you can give on them is to begin to get them aware of bitcoin and now left for them to decide which to adopt after which they are grown up, do your best but the decision is left for them, there have been similar cases whereby the father left physical assets behind for the children that later show no interest in them all and started their own new way of life quite different from the father, just as we can't predict bitcoin price same we cannot predict our children's decision or choice, but we must not be negligence in teaching them about bitcoin.

We can give whatever we have to the children if they understand what we are giving. If we give a book and a pen, then the children will write or at least scribble on the book. That is, he understands the use of books and pens.
Back to the topic of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a sophisticated technology that can only be accessed using a private key. The private key has an important function in this regard. If the private key is lost, of course all assets will be lost.
What we need to introduce to children is not Bitcoin, but technology. Provide an understanding of the importance of technology. If they already understand about this advanced technology, of course Bitcoin will be valuable to him. And he will take care of it if one day we hand him over.
This we refer to the history of one Pizza equal to 10000 Bitcoin. Of course at that time the Bitcoin holder who bought the Pizza thought that Bitcoin was not that important to him, so he would buy low-value goods with high-value advanced technology.

Maybe I've misunderstood you, but denying the transfer of reputation between individuals seems like a fine idea to me. Do you think that finding the appeal in meritocracy is sociopathic?

Descendants, but you are not obligated to bequeath a bitcoin account to him or her but you are certainly obligated to give your descendants a good understanding regardless if it is about bitcoin or something else. But I think you are obligated to pass your asset on to your children or whoever your heirs are if you wish, it depends.

If you are a mentor to your child on this forum, then I'm sure you will keep him consistent. They can get it right and will probably be faster than others ^{[depending on how you educate them],} but of course I think they should manage their own account rather than yours.

This is subjective, but if they are interested in bitcoin then you can expect a lot.

Oh, come on, you should know bitcoin is valuable. As a father, you will definitely be responsible for the lives of your children, so the answer to this question simply depends on how responsible you are for the life your children deserve. If you work for them, then prepare everything from now on so that the assets you save can be used when you are gone.

If this question only refers to a boredom and stress of mind, then the answer is Take a break for a while without having to burden others in this case such as children and also others besides yourself.

And if you want to teach your kids about something (including how to forum), then look at how old the kid is.
Because if the child has not been able to accept the pressure or workload, then there is no need to force him to do anything except for learning for himself, because if the child is still very early, I don't think it is time for him to become independent unless the child has started grown up and has made it possible to be independent and continue what was inherited by his father.

Apart from the teacher, the one who teaches basic things such as dividing the child's time is his own father. So if you already have children, then take care of him and teach him how to allocate time for the things that you consider important because I believe children who are very early in age will not be able to allocate time for everything.
Especially for things he doesn't know and doesn't necessarily like (Bitcoin). So it would be better if the child was told to focus on formal education first without having to think about other things.

It will be very dangerous if the child does not know how to use Bitcoin accounts and wallets. Now if you want to hand over your account password and wallet private key to the child, then what you have to make sure is that the child really understands what you are giving him and if he still doesn't understand, then it's better for you to teach him from zero without having to directly inherit what you already have now.

I've given the answer, I hope it's helpful even though I never think about what other people are thinking.

Some of the answers above might be a way out for you.

This is only a small part of the greatness that Bitcoin has because there are many other advantages it has.

I feel lucky to be in this forum because here I find various knowledge that I do not get elsewhere so I feel it is important to ask about something that is stored in my mind.
This forum is huge and all knowledge needs are available here.
Since the birth of this forum, some have predicted that the age of this forum will not last long, but in fact up to now, in 2022, the activity here continues to increase despite some changes to the rules. (very positive and worth doing)

The sustainability of this forum must be maintained because what is available in this forum is very positive and I think what we get here must be brought into the real world because the benefits are extraordinary, specifically related to Bitcoin. Therefore, my mind said, who will continue it?

At first my mind said that if I create a topic like this, I will look like a mouse because of the content of this topic, thus making me have to hide in the dark from the great cats. So one by one I read each response.

You are quite wrong about that.  Their are even systems designed for the purpose of facilitating this—although not nearly enough, in my opinion.  There are security engineering tradeoffs between conveying private keymat directly, and other methods.  The only way to convey a wallet indistinguishable from other wallets on-chain is to convey the private keys.

Although some Bitcoiners are long-term thinkers with plans for their heirs, a disturbingly high proportion are hyperindividualists who do not think of what comes after them.  (I have posted about this before, but cannot now find what I wrote due to this forum’s faulty, unreliable search function.)  When they die, their coins remain forever frozen on the blockchain.  The hype about “the greatest wealth transfer in history” is mostly nonsense, for in practice, most of the transfer is ephemeral:  Most real wealth will revert to the prior economic incumbents within a generation (and probably sooner), by various routes including this one.

I have been thinking about this for a long time...


In the context of condemning account sales, I think that I have said somewhere that the only circumstance in which I may convey access to my forum account would be to an heir.

For heirs to inherit their ancestors’ reputations was customary throughout all of history before modern times:  Indeed, it may even be said that the study of onomastics is the study of the nexus between identity, reputation, and familial continuity.  The various traditions in different cultures for surnames is partly based on the ideal that descendants inherit and carry forward a name.  This tends to be a larger factor in the upper classes than in the lower classes—a distinguishing mark of social class used to be a detailed knowledge of one’s ancestors more than two generations in the past, and the carrying on of their traditions; nonetheless, even for commoners, the customs of patronymics (or in some cultures, matronymics) attest the importance of carrying on the reputation of one’s ancestors.  In the upper classes, even up to royalty—or even in the degenerate modern “upper” classes, a designated heir oft even receives a name fully identical to an ancestor, with a number appended.  For a degenerate modern American example, vide William Henry Gates III (the full name of Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft Corporation).

To deny the inheritance of names and reputations is hyperindividualism tantamount to sociopathy.  I absolutely reserve the right to designate a Nullius II, the titular “nullius”, with Bitcoin Forum uid 976210, if I see fit.  And in a cypherpunk world, theoretically, nobody needs to know.  If, hypothetically, I were to have a series of heirs who, by genetics and tutelage, evinced style and substance indistinguishable from mine, then at least in theory, the same apparent “nullius” could be posting here long after the block reward ends, with perfect continuity.  It is unlikely in practice—but it is theoretically possible.

A bigger question is how much of long-term thinker theymos is.  When I clicked on this topic title, I expected a post about the future continuity of the Bitcoin Forum itself.  Cypherpunks didn’t last, despite attempts to carry it forward to this day with cpunks.  I am pessimistic.

who continue this forum there will be many new people who need information and curiosity about bitcoin itself
if our child can be our substitute why not because it is better for our child to continue than our account being sold to other people who are not necessarily the same as us, if our child is the one who holds the account we can still monitor the state of this forum
dividing time between schools and forums I think it's possible because there are many members of this forum who are still college students and I've met with student status

That is true, demand from members and activities keep forums going. Measuring by the criteria of activity or demand, it means this forum has a long future.

Think about the altcoin section where projects are being launched and patronised on daily bases.

Think about the promotion within and outside the forum offered via signature and bounty campaign.

Check the gambling companies and gamblers activities.
The goods and services aspects.

These factors point that the future of bitcointalk is bright.

We all have our role to play in global Bitcoin adoption, it's not all about government policies and regulations. What Agbe did deserves all the accolades he's getting. I believe he has opened the way for more people here to follow. I do my part in teaching those close to me about bitcoin and Blockchain as much as I can.

When wright brothers invented airplane, they never would have thought that one day jumbo jets would become a normal and when first computer was invented no one would have thought of  laptops or internet. One innovation breeds other. We are in pioneer era of blockchain and crypto and don't know how big it might turn in future or how new transformation of crypto will lead to new era of science and technology

i understand today there are many third world countries that see even $0.10 an hour as a good income. but setting their long term future of inheritance for their kids, to just inherit an account doing minimum income seems a lil short sighted.

nothing wrong with people trying to make some passive income now. but dont set career/lifetime/inheritance goal on just plodding along. as that is not a good inheritance plan to progress prospects of your offspring.

This forum still serve as archive of post from the pioneers of bitcoin to ethereum etc. This information are good enough to provide a syllabus for the history of cryptocurrency in the future. My only concern is the preparation of the forum when new users in large number come. I also wish the forum can provide app for phones, security for private discussions and allow transaction of cryptocurrency with app for users. The forum was the main platform that help altcoins growth at the beginning, although it does not look as it was

It is easy but two ways to make Bitcoin transactions.

From custodial wallets on exchanges for example. You are not the one who broadcast that transaction. The exchange does on behalf of you. They must approve your withdrawal request and broadcast that transaction for you. If they don't approve it, you will not be able to make that transaction because you don't own private key.

From non custodial wallets, you can directly broadcast your transaction without dependence on any third party. You own a private key and can do it by yourself.

Not your keys, not your coins

Well, why do you want to do all the hard work for them... and then simply give them your account? Just take them by the hand and open a new account for them, then start transferring your knowledge to them, so that they will be equip to post "good" content on that account to earn a place in a signature campaign on their own.

The moment when you give something that you worked hard for to someone else, they will not appreciate it... and they will squander that opportunity... or simply mess it up, because they will not have the knowledge to post constructive posts. 

What happened to teaching my kids how to write programs, solve problems using digital skills, learn how to trade and invest, learn how to develop softwares, NFTs, Gamefi, web 3 or teach them how to solve complex problems writing simple lines of codes. Bitcointalk account should be the least my children should inherit. They might have access to my coin but for forum accounts their passion will earn them a place on any forum of their choice..

They might be too busy that taking over my forum account might need a re-think

You could also add that the forum will last as long as their is a demand from the members.
I have been on forums before and seen them die as the members dwindled away, a platform
can exist but without activity there will be no attraction for others to be engaged.


Absolutely it makes sense to let them create their own account, make their own history
and reputation.

I think there's no need to bother about who is going to take over the forum in the future, as people have existed in this forum before you became a Member so it will when you're not there.
 
Regarding our children, you can teach them guide lines on what do and not force them to become a member of forum, if they desires then good,  it should not be a must thing for our children so we can have people that will develop the passion and in that way add quality value to the forum.

I don't think is wise idea no one should manage anybody's account,  rather Our Children should create their own account and start from the scratch to build their own reputation if they desires to become member.

Why did you decide to share part and not all to your wife. Can you let us know if there's something you noticed so that we can learn from you.
I stroke the wallet address you typed, I believe it's a mistake. If what your wife has is your wallet address, I am sorry she will not be able to retrieve any fund in your absence.

You can also add that as long as bitcoin lasts...

you asked too much mate,, but asking me if i am willing to hand over my account?or my bitcoin wallet?

the answer is a BIG YES..

Yes because I already did shared my Wallet addresses to my Wife though not all of them yet there are mire than half of my funds can be accessed by hers as for our family's future.

there are circumstances that emergency or sudden death may come and i have no time to hand over my funds to them.

I am not a fan of handover my account or wallet access to anyone yet. But yea, I like to teach them about crypto and forum. So they would recover everything from my personal notebook. I wrote all my account credentials in my personal notebook. I don't feel bored when visiting the forum at least. Because not all the day I stay here. Whenever I am free I just visit this forum to read and write. So don't take over stress, just take it easy.

Not sure about it though, I mean maybe some of us here doesn't have children and if they do, perhaps they are willing to take the knowledge on crypto and gave it to their children. But it doesn't mean that they will have to be active in this community. Sure you can gave our account password or our private key, after all they are our children. But still up to them on how they are going to used it, we can only hope that they will continue what we have started, but we can't dictate everything to them.

I think your OP context is subjective to me, pointing out things and then linking them in unison to a common idea,I think this is the classic example of what you is mentions it, staying in front of a PC but thinking confusedly.

Then, do not confuse ideas;
- We live in a generation that is born with information at their fingertips.
- The forum will last as long as admin pays the bills.
- The secret keys, there are several schemes to transfer those responsibilities.

You can hand over your knowledge and contributions by leaving your account alone. I've seen good new accounts surpass me in whatever measure you can think of


Think it's really hard to step off the penny game for a lot of people. Some a matter of pure economics, where a penny is worth something (and they can't see beyond the penny or the dollar, or never thought it was possible).

It's the same faucet mentality, was even there myself for 2 months -- reading voraciously while not able to do anything in bed (and yes getting sick was really the turning point and start of my Bitcoin journey) I claimed faucets like some weird addiction thing, knowing it was fractions of a penny at the time.

Or those games people pour months of their lives into each year, also thinking they build characters with gears worth 1000s of dollars, not realising if they'd spent the same amount of time and passion into their skills, they'd be earning so much more (and gaining life experience etc).

Don't worry every generation has its different features and qualities, the good members of the forum will never end there will always appear new members with good skills who are following the task of keeping the forum alive with high quality, so you don't have to hand the kids the forum or give them the passwords but you have to teach them how to be good To follow the task started by members here in the forum.
Regarding your other question, if you mean to pass on your name to your son in the forum, this is your right, but you must first possess sufficient knowledge about Bitcoin and teach him how to follow your path well in the forum so that your son does not cause to lose your name that you worked hard to get.

I think is very good way where with Bitcointalk account he can buy Laptop and use it for learning everything at online world, but never give first thing with earn money in Bitcointalk forum because here many knowledge we can take, better keep up your knowledge and looking many good information about bitcoin and altcoin exactly before your way earn money trough this forum will be easy.

Children is not right time have teach them how to earn money early, I think better give them access keep controlling activity with learning and focus on their school, not bad if give them access and know them with bitcoin world but I think is too early because their time for playing and studying.

Apart from other side benefits, this forum is basically for the learning and teaching of Bitcoin. Just like a formal school, you progress or you are promoted to the next class or membership rank when you acquire a certain level of knowledge. All things been equal, the level of knowledge of a member cannot be compared to the experience of a Hero or Legendary member. If you hand over a Senior member account to someone that has the knowledge of a Newbie, what would be the outcome? If a lecturer who is a professor, hands over his certificate and appointment letter to his son and instructs him to take over his lecturing job because he was retiring, what would the first degree son teach? If my child is interested in Bitcoin or the forum, he needs to build his own career because that is the only way he can learn and become proficient.     

This is very common now that Bitcoin becomes a digital asset than the digital currency which the creator wanted to have.
More people keeping the value of Bitcoin than spending it as a digital currency, time will come for to Bitcoin will become so expensive if a lot of people hoard it to store value.

No, I didn't feel bored because I'm here when there was my vacant time and this isn't my priority, we have a job and businesses outside that we must to prior and this forum is our second place when we want relaxation while gaining information to educate ourselves further in Bitcoin learning. 
Who will continue my activities?  Of course, it will stop when I will die.

No one teaches us to this thing, it's our instinct to handle everything.  If we can able to handle and manage our time from here and into our outside activity, for sure they will do the same.

Of course, why not, as you've said Bitcoin considering an asset.

i know some people think that merits and acitivity of user account stats wins favour for things like Sig campaigns thus makes people think forum usernames then have value to sell.
but if you are messing around in the game of selling accounts, you are playing the penny game wasting time for little return while missing out on where the big money lays.

dont rely on sig campaign or account sales as your main desire of income. its meant as a passive pocket money side bonus for some. while they start a business or create a project to actually better their lives. its not meant to be a case of wanting to protect a username for life as an investment in-of-itself.
because obviously if there hundreds of millions of user accounts where in 60 years everyone will have legendary status. the value of accounts goes down due to the abundance of numbers of accounts available to sell
so concentrate on other methods of income via learning about bitcoin. not by simply trying to post random posts to get a forum status


there are many many options to store the private key/seed. there is no limit to options that make it easier for people to keep long term. your not forced to keep one copy and have to protect it with your like (unlike a gold nugget)

if you consider bitcoin from the prospective of 'if you had to make a transaction using only pen and paper' then yes noticing the cryptography of signature proofs make it very complicated
(i read the code and done stuff some in that area for other projects(re-typing it out not pen/paper ofcourse), so i know its not childsplay)

but from the process of a user experience. just copy and pasting an address/qr code scanning, typing in an amount and pressing send. it is easy.

compare it to bank notes. to pay someone you have to physically go to a bank ATM type in a pin number get the cash. travel physically else where and hand it to the recipient. is less easy
compare it to debit card fiat. for an online purchase
having to type in a long number, expiry date, CVV number. your name, billing address. and sometimes have the bank do a random security 2factor check. is less than easy

for me bitcoin is easier to secure value in what fiat world would describe as a offshore trust account. its simpler in bitcoin by just paying a bitcoin multisig address in the bitcoin world. no bank managers are needed no accountant or no lawyers to contract multiple people to a trust needed. you simply fund a bitcoin multisig address and its done, funds are safe. and control is equally shared between who you hand keys to without giving any of them individual control.

The major advantage of bitcoin is not easy transaction process as you emphasised. Bitcoin transaction and storage is not as simple as you portrayed it to especially an illiterate layman. I have seen people run into issues while doing Bitcoin transactions. I have seen many loss their Bitcoin because of inability to save it for long period of time. The best advantage I can say is for security and liberty.

There was when I was scared that there won't be continuity. I created a topic in the beginners and help board where I was asking who will be our researcher if Fillippone is no longer here, what happens if the likes of DdmrDdmr LoyceV are no longer available in the forum. But after I read about someone like Lauda, Vod, Tman etc that I didn't meet, I laughed and concluded that some excellent users we see now are maintaining legacies and some are not 100% good from onset. But when the time was ripe, they became legends.

I don't understand the place of this question in your post. It is your personal decision.

When many members here were children, Bitcoin had very likely not been invented yet, so no one really expects children to take over the forum.
There is no point at which the current forum members would collectively abandon the forum, there are users of all ages here and there would be a slow transition as time goes by.

Again, no one is handing over their private keys to children, and imo, no one should ideally be handing down their account password. Social platforms are not heirlooms which gets transfered or inherited.

The digital world continues to evolve from time to time. Various works and innovations were born with various advantages to facilitate human activities in all sectors.
Bitcoin is clear evidence of an innovation created to make it easier for humans to deal with transactions in the digital sector.
The convenience that exists in Bitcoin is able to lure many people to make it a future digital currency asset.

Because the Bitcoin transaction process is quite easy, everyone only needs to save the address and private key to keep it accessible anytime and anywhere as long as the internet is still around.

I was inspired by an activity carried out by a bitcointalk account on this forum. He donated BTC to buy a laptop from the proceeds he got from his signature campaign work and taught them about Bitcoin. For me that is an extraordinary thing.



Have we ever thought on the sidelines of our minds being bored while in front of a computer/laptop/android and so on, who will continue our activities in this forum? If our answer is children, can they be as consistent as we expect? Are they able to divide the time between formal education and time learning about Bitcoin?
Can we hand over the account password and private key to access our Bitcoin wallet from now on?

I want to find answers in this forum related to what I think.
What's the way out?