Topic: Do Banned users stand a chance of been reconsidered or been appealed for (Read 349 times)

Most people knows that they are doing plagiarism for the financial benefits to get from it and some people intentionally copy a part of an article and leave the link at the end to gather some merits so they can hide under the rules while still have more chances to grow up their account these things are unfair though. But mods will take a look at the user before implying a permanent ban, if they are real contributors then they will be given signature ban for a while.

The issue of plagiarism is just too much. But I don't think completely banding such from the forum is right because some of those users our brothers or sisters directly or indirectly and they maybe a newbies. So I think the Admin should pass warning note them as a way of encouraging the. But if they violent the not then they should be made to face the punishment attached to such disobedience.

Every permaban on this forum was justified, except in rare cases of selling an account to another user.
Therefore, complaint in which the user claims that he is not guilty and that some error has occurred has no chance on this forum.
The only thing that can help is a full guilty plea, an apology, the member needs to prove that his contribution to the forum is such that he deserves a second chance, and most importantly, the support of the forum community is very important.

I think that it depends because most bans seems to have a reason for it and to prove otherwise is a daunting task for the banned user. I have read some appeals from here and there and most of the users are ruthless against these appeals especially if they deem it heinous in forum standards.

I think it is completely unrealistic to expect an explanation, no one from the administration will explain why it took them so long to change the decision - and in the end they are not even obliged to do so. His case was resolved positively only because of the persistence of the community that stood behind him in public, but also all those who tried to help in the background all the time.

I think this is a unique example that persistence pays off, but it is also a fact that 9 out of 10 users will give up completely after a few weeks at best.

I think that an additional explanation needs to be given regarding the Regulushr case.
He first had to prove that his contribution to the forum was important and also the local Croatian community was united in supporting RegulusHr throughout the 2 year wait for the permaban to be abolished.
Do Barned users stand a chance of been reconsidered or been appealed for?
Based on this case with Regulushr the answer is yes, the chance exists but very little, based on your own forum contribution and based on the support of the forum community.

As a few have pointed out, I was lucky enough to get a second chance here after I lazily plagiarized a couple posts one day ( a long story /something that will bother me forever).  I would have to disagree that “high profiled” users are banned on a regular basis for plagiarism (and if you mean legendary members, a strong likelihood those accounts were bought).. The vast majority who get caught and banned are simply shit posters who do nothing here in a positive manner and are only here to participate in signature/bounty campaigns (pretty easy to tell who those users are after a quick glance at their post history).

Obviously having been given a second chance I’m all for it, but unfortunately allowing everyone 1-2 “slip ups” would create far more issues than it would solve (way more work for mods, most of all). That said I of course hope anyone who’s proved to be a net positive here would get a second chance.

How to get unbanned ?.. for those of you reading this thread and wondering.. First you likely need to have been here for some time and have been an active contributing member. Theymos has stated if you believe you deserve a second chance, have some other member here open a thread to appeal on your behalf. I appealed here for over a year before Yogg (who I can’t thank enough) made a post appealing to Theymos/Mods & the community on my behalf. It took a few weeks if I remember correctly until Theymos lifted the ban. Unless you meet the above criteria I wouldn’t waste your time trying.

But if you are here for more than just trying to make money I wish you the best of luck with your appeal. Theymos and Hilarious are extremely fair and reasonable..be patient with them if they don’t immediately reply to your appeal.

Yeah, that's pretty bad--and so is the rest of OP's post, which I confess I did not finish reading.  And you're right, ChiBitCTy got un-banned and there may be one or two members over the years who've gotten their permaban reversed.  It's so rare that I can't remember the names of members or if there's even more than one. 

OP, you basically have to be an extremely valuable member of the forum (and having a lot of support from the community like ChiBitCTy did doesn't hurt, either) to get a permaban overturned.  If you're a lower-ranked member who's plagiarized something and start an appeal thread in Meta in which you make excuses and beg for forgiveness, it just falls on deaf ears.  Invariably.

That's the way it should be IMO.  It's just too bad scammers aren't permabanned. 

The signature bans can be set for x amount of time. They're usually given depending on the severity but are taken on a case by case basis. If someone only plagiarised once and they were already banned for a a year or whatnot sometimes I just remove the ban but other times it's usually 3,6,12 months or something.

As far as I know, banned users are handled in a case-to-case basis as they are reviewed thoroughly. Last 2019, one valuable asset of the community got banned due to plagiarism but several users in the forum appealed in order to lift his ban. The reason on why it got lifted is because he constantly reports and detects fake projects and scam ICOs in the forum.

Bottomline is, if you are a newbie and you got banned for not following the forum rules, chances are that you will not be able to get your account back. On the other hand, if you can prove that you contributed positively in the forum, there is a slight chance that your ban will get lifted or a temporary suspension will be rendered instead.

Plagiarisms are handle very strictly in this forum. Permanent bans and most of banned users don't have successful ban appeals. Alternatives to Permabans for plagarism was raised and some users made ban appeals, get successful ones to have softener bans (signature bans for 6 months, 1 year, 2 years).

To get successful ban appeal and softener bans, they have to contribute many positive things in the past.

wow that's amazing... so you been among the kind mods then... my apologies Lucius, so I'm wrong here did not know about the signature ban (though i still consider it a ban) for that I should be using the forum search feature then

I've unbanned a few users for plagiarism. A feature was added where we can issue a signature ban instead and sometimes that is employed. It depends on the level of plagiarism as well. Sometimes people were permabanned for just one instance which is pretty harsh. For those that did it en masse though it's a different story.

Thank you for pointing out but no thank you.

Well because I'm specifically talking about ban related to plagiarism... show me more than one or two cases where ban related to "plagiarism" has been lifted and user successfully got unbanned after proven plagiarism.

I know at least one case yes you can happily use forum search option to find out more.

Much more than one year, because if you look at the date when RegulusHr opened its ban appeal thread (15 January 2019), and when the ban was officially removed (26 November 2020) it is almost 2 years, which is as far as I know the longest period in to whom someone was waiting for a second chance.

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Much more than one or two cases, it would be useful to learn how to use the forum search option. There is one thread with a list that contained all banned for plagiarism and those who got a second chance - but since the list is already obsolete, it only serves as an example that plagiarism does not mean banning forever.

[BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods)

Temporary bans are the warning, but depending on the severity of the rule infringement, a given user may be banned permanently either through reiteration or straight out. Some have managed to get their permanent ban revoked, or commuted for a signature ban for a certain period of time, but those cases will need to be somewhat clear-cut or net positive with regards to the Forum. You can see some of those cases in this (non up-to-date) thread: [BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods) .

Normally, simply not providing the source and being banned because of that, entails something else to begin with, and that is that the content posted is verbatim (total/partial) or slightly spinned at best. It’s true that in these cases, adding the link gets him off the hook, but the subjacent effort is pretty small to begin with, and sometimes on the rim of being deceptive to begin with.

On the other hand, if a person goes to the trouble to summarize, elaborate, question, criticise a given external content, writing his content in his own words, it seems a much more elaborate process, where the content created will be based, but with entirely different wording and depth, to that of the potential reference. That seems rather distant to any potential association to performing plagiarism. The link may of course be added, so others can read in full the basis, as a means to expand on.

Having said the above, since plagiarism is one of the main causes leading to a permanent ban, it has been mentioned multiple times before that getting the Welcome Message into motion and/or a warning in the textbox where we write our posts, may serve as a reminder. So far, these two ideas remain unimplemented.

Note: If one is banned, he should not be "starting all over from the scratch". A ban applies to the person, not solely to the account caught in the act.

@Zilon for the love of God, please correct that "barned" thing in the name of the topic too as it sticks out as a sore thumb.

To answer your questions, yeah, banned users have a chance to get their accounts unbanned, albeit chances for that are extremely low and forum members seldom get a 2nd chance. I would like if punishment for some of the rule violations is not the instant ban but something that is just temporary but I also understand that just going for the straight ban is much easier thing to do so I don't expect it to change any time soon.

Correction made thank you

There are some users accounts that were only given temporary ban. There is room on this forum for banned users to create new account and appeal for the ban, if geniue reasons are given, it might be unbanned, but if it is truly banned due to plagiarism or spamming, not good reasons at all, and the account will remain permanently banned. Not also only due to spamming and plagiarism, the whole forum rules must not be violated.

It is like saying it skipped the mind of someone that fire can hurt. In this case, no room for excuse. There are members that keep to the posting etiquette of the forum, and not banned, such users are the good examples to be emulated, and they are the ones that should be talked about, not giving excuse.

It is Bitcointalk

Their accounts were banned not because they have passion for Bitcointalk, it is because they violated one or some of the rules of the forum that can get them banned. Such like spamming and plagiarism.

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Try to correct barn also, it is ban, and the past tense is banned. Also know that newbie accounts are more often banned, and the rate of account ban is indirectly proportional to the ranking.

I believe most banned ranked accounts are bought accounts, that is why I am not surprised a legendary account or well ranked accounts do not even know the rules of signature campaign, apply while not having merit in the last 120 days, and also when such campaign is not open for new participants, why will such users not be banned when it is like a newbie account.

There have been various cases of users getting banned and having their bans reverted later on. A member of the Croatian local was banned and it took the admins 1 year to change their decision and restore his account. I think bill gator got banned for plagiarism, but admitted that he bought the account and that the copy-pasting was done by the previous user. I apologize to bill gator if my memory is playing tricks on me and if I am thinking of someone else. I think that's how I remember that situation.     

Wasn't ChiBitCTy also banned for some copy-pasting incident in the past?

Reading this made me throw up a bit in my mouth.
Barned bit coin talk accounts by bit coin enthusiasts.

plagiarism? Not a chance...!!! but there are exceptions... may be one or two.. i have seen here on meta section in some old thread... there were some users which were given a chance by theymos at least one i remember (I have to dig posts to find that user).

But in very very rare cases may be this exception can be executed again.

I see some high profiled account been Banned on daily bases due to several reasons but the most common is plagiarism. Most of which are contributors to the forum and the have contributed towards the active status of this noble forum. Can such users be appealed for or is there no other measure other than permanent ban on such users. Regarding the fact that with or with any user the bitcointalk forum still functions to its fullest. But considerative measures should be taken for older accounts sake of the pains it took such user to get to where they are at the moment.

In all no body is above the laid down rules laid down to guide posters on the forum but most of the times providing the link to an imformation shared on the for might skip the mind of the OP who made the post. I think members should be warned a couple of times if such user proves adamant then drastic measures could be taken against such. Many lovers of bitcointalk have gotten their account Banned but due to the passion for Crypto knowledge most especially bit coin the take the pain of creating newer accounts so as to contribute their quarter to the forum which will mean starting all over from the scratch.

In all its just a suggestion open to correction and critics from reputable scholars of this noble forum. I just felt I should throw a little suggestion open to correction so I get guided on what it entails to keep a clean record on the forum and also how to help users who forget to provide source to their posts so as to avoid been Banned on the forum.