Topic: Do not buy the new PMBs called BFMINES issued by Furuknap (Read 3072 times)

 

Of course, you do not care because you understand it and won't buying it.
What I do is to spreading information to newbies ,obviously you are not.

PMBs are bad long-term investments?

So what?

Who cares?

At this point we all know it. It us up to the exchanges to not list them if they are so morally reprehensible. So go complain on BTC-TC and BitFunder threads about PMBs. Don't slander someone who is operating a common business on this forum. Why aren't you slandering dice game operators? Are they not poor long term investments for users? Why not troll Lenders for their exorbitant APRs? Why not troll people who resale pre-orders of ASIC equipment? It seems like your dead set on a personal vendetta, which strips away your credibility.

In conclusion, stop slandering people and make your complaints to the exchanges, (who will promptly ignore you).

OMG,I need a personal tutor to teach me and correcting my English.......I will pay over BTC.... Anyone interest to apply for this position....Please PM me.

Class over SKYPE.....

yeah sos, you're pretty bad at english   It's ok though, I don't speak a word of chinese!

Again ,You said you are better than AM ,you use a products at 20 times more expensive to compare what actually existing today.
Are you mad? or because you have nothing to say to overturn that you are liar....Of course ,I know PAJKA makes you unhappy ,and you lose a lot on it , but does this mean you should issuing a other PMBs to get your loss back ? I feel you made a big wrong move, if you are poor or you been fucked by something , you should stay what you are and keep honest and integrity , someone fuck you up does't mean you need fucked some one back...
I hope you can keep your  personality in pure at your age.....God is watching on you, do not do something that makes newbies lose money...

I do not care, What I made just mistakes, because I do not intend to get any return on it...but you are not...

I know I makes you unhappy ,because I am stop your cheating plan go succeed, don't you really think people are stupid, that easy to be cheated?? I think most people are not , but What I do is wake up those inexperienced newbies...

I just think you're acting stupid. By choice. I have no idea whether you actually are as stupid as you appear.

That would be sad, though.

Regardless, I'm done with your trolling. I may drop by to repost the evidence of your lies and insanity if you keep your harassment up.

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Great, First time you admit you are scammer...I am happy for your improvement... How ever AM's USB will shipping right now , you are trying to sell your contracts at 20X times expensive and which only delivery in September.(If nothing goes wrong.)
Do you really think your comparison is a fair comparison ? Everybody know difficulty right now will be totally different than in September, Are you really insane or you just think we are too stupid ?

*sigh*


You know, your beloved ASICMiner sells hardware with far greater proceeds than I am. AM's advance on USB miners is 33x. For blades, it used to be 50x. For USB Miners, it used to be 66x.

Mine is 20x. Am's overhead is likely much lower than mine, so if you include cost of operation, AM is far more of a scammer than I am.

I'm sure you'll post a similar thread about friedcat now.

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People need to be responsible for themselves.  I see the bitcoin community dish out lessons in personal responsibility and due diligence on a daily basis!

It's nice of you to point this out to people.  But if people lose money to this it is only because they were not responsible and did not practice due diligence. 

so, until they do so, fuck them.

This guy perfectly understand what happen. Furuknap stop issuing your 100% guaranteed lose for investors bond contracts...Then I will deleted this thread.....

 

You do care about your reputation ? Are you serious?  you care your reputation by sell 20 times overpriced miners and which will be delivery in September (If everything of this metabank not a scam...) to those investors?? you care your reputation by ignored the basic truth PMBs is a sick trap , everyone in this sub-forum realize it right now... If I am you I would not saying that I got reputation, because I need reputation to cheating more people.

I'm not the one creating new threads to target someone and then taint my reputation by posting proven lies about that person. I am also not the one that keeps lying about what prices you sold at and explode when I point out that I earned 15-20% on the shares you panic-sold when you learned that you had been an idiot and invested in something you didn't understand.

Like I've told you: You choose to act like an idiot, even when you've been exposed as a liar and slanderer. I'm just posting verifiable facts to refute your claims.

Also, I don't attack your English; never have. In fact, I've granted you incredible leeway in understanding what it is you are trying to say.

Your mistakes aren't minor; they are major and you keep denying them despite them now being proven to everyone.

So, simple answer: Stop acting like an idiot and I'll stop pointing it out to everyone.

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First of all ,I am not lied about anything, just Furuknap focus on picking up some small mistakes I have made, Second , Am I really that Bad at English? (Furuknap will be more than happy about it ,because he can take advantage over my poor English).  
Thirdly , Yes, I do not selling anything shitty mining security to the public.....I do not have the incentives to make lie....

transparency builds confidence at least you are forthcoming..thanks

wow furuknap, don't you have any sense of embarrassment?  who gives a fuck if SOSLOVE is lying or if hes just terrible at english, hes not the one trying to sell a shitty mining security

 

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He is betting  there are some newbies who not regularly view this forum, and might buying his bond contracts without even look at the contract.

Why would anybody invest in an security by furuknap? There's something very wrong with the logical part of his brain.

You can check the mining profit per difficulty adjustment projection here

http://btc.re/?t=miningcalc

I am made profit based on my prediction and knowledge,not by issuing a cheating plan to take benefit from innocent people.

Are you not greedy/self-interested for not wanting to lose money?

Made some effort on it , let those greedy people disappeared in this forum.

+1 Many people are not aware of the idea of PMB.

Good ,I sold my bonds at 0.94 , and you sold it at 0.88 by needless four contracts?



OMG......

I am argue with you because you are trying to by convincing people believe that PMBs are good deal ,then you could sell out your bond and received huge benefit from it..

What my incentive to argue with you is I trying to explain what you want to do , to prevent newbies being hurt by your cheating plan .

My incentive is based on my conscience ,but your statement is based on your greedy mind...

No, this is another lie and you even provided the evidence yourself. You sold on average 0.09x something, but you sold a lot cheaper than that, which I then sold a bit later:

07.06.2013 07:25   PAJKA.BOND   buy   12   0.07   0.00168   0.84168

13.06.2013 11:24   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
13.06.2013 08:10   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:57   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:55   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824

There's more, though, but I don't really want to post my entire history or even more of my trading history, but at the very least, this is hard, firm evidence that I did sell what I bought from you at a higher price than I paid and that you, once again, is proven to be a liar.

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People ,please look below , this liar make another lie ...

Of course not, because you are lied , the price never exceeded what I sold ..

I sold at average of 0.094...I am not blind I can refer it back to the past trend.


He said he did sold those contracts above what I sold ... my price is 0.094 , after my selling,that PAJKA bond ever exceeding this price ,

People do not believe this  please go to BTCT.CO to check the price of PAJKA bond for last month  and look my transactions record below

2013-06-07 21:25:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   16   0.06   0.00192   0.95808
2013-06-07 21:25:33   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.0605   0.000484   0.241516
2013-06-07 21:25:32   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.061   0.000488   0.243512
2013-06-07 21:25:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   15   0.07   0.0021   1.0479
2013-06-07 21:25:29   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:25   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   3   0.0721   0.0004326   0.2158674
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.073   0.00146   0.72854
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   6   0.073001   0.00087601   0.43712998
2013-06-07 21:00:38   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.089631   0.00017926   0.08945173
2013-06-06 21:19:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.095   0.0019   0.9481
2013-06-06 21:19:21   PAJKA.BOND   sell   8   0.095   0.00152   0.75848
2013-06-06 11:48:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.101   0.00202   1.00798
2013-06-06 06:55:26   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.101   0.000202   0.100798
2013-06-06 04:52:51   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.099   0.00495   2.47005
2013-06-06 04:52:49   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.0991   0.001982   0.989018
2013-06-06 04:52:48   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.099101   0.0001982   0.09890279
2013-06-05 22:38:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.106001   0.000212   0.10578899
2013-06-05 18:06:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.10897   0.00021794   0.10875206
2013-06-05 04:56:28   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.10897   0.0010897   0.5437603
2013-06-05 01:41:59   PAJKA.BOND   sell   26   0.10897   0.00566644   2.82755356
2013-06-04 00:11:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.099   0.00198   0.98802
2013-06-04 00:11:37   PAJKA.BOND   sell   20   0.099   0.00396   1.97604
2013-06-04 00:11:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   2   0.0991   0.0003964   0.1978036
2013-06-03 23:29:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.109498   0.00021899   0.109279
2013-06-03 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   2   0.109499   0.00043799   0.21943599
2013-06-03 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   100   0.102   0.0204   10.1796
2013-06-03 21:25:14   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.102001   0.00428404   2.13773695
2013-06-03 21:25:09   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.1035   0.001035   0.516465
2013-06-03 21:25:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.105   0.00525   2.61975
2013-06-03 21:25:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:24:56   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:10:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   13   0.1084   0.0028184   1.4063816
2013-06-03 21:10:19   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.1086   0.002172   1.083828
2013-06-03 21:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.10861   0.00086888   0.43357112
2013-06-03 21:09:42   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.1087   0.0019566   0.9763434
2013-06-03 21:03:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.109   0.004578   2.284422
2013-06-03 21:03:35   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.109   0.001962   0.979038
2013-06-03 19:50:47   PAJKA.BOND   sell   40   0.1098   0.008784   4.383216

Really? This is me telling you to hold on to PAJKA? Wow, your command of the English language really is below par.

I offered you friendly advice based on your irrational behavior. That advice did not include PAJKA. In fact, I explicitly adviced you to look at funds instead.

How can this possibly be advice to hold PAJKA? Anyone?

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During an even optimistic time frame of say 3 weeks, the mining difficulty would have increased anywhere between 30-60%, totally negating the 10% bonus you are offering. The current hash rate is ~25% higher than what it was at last difficulty readjustment(175 TH/s vs 139 TH/s), and there will certainly be at least 2 readjustments before this PMB begins payout, no?

This what you told me to be not too worry about PAJKA BOND, and truth is I made my goal right ~!!!

Now you starting to spreading that PMBs are good investment , to ensure your cheating plan go succeed..

If you could gives maturity date in your bond contracts...then I will stop my posting , do not exploiting those people who are not very experienced whit trading stock in BTC.

You really should ashamed of yourself... God will punishing you, I know at your age , that two nearly to go , one is haven and other is hell. if you continue impose your cheating PMB , I think the later is the only place for you.

Valid point, but with the bonus, I believe that a TAT.VM priced at 0.004 and a BFMines priced at 0.004 will give BFMines an advantage still. I'll hang on to semantics for a little while, if you don't mind :-)

Also, like I mentioned, the expectation of the upcoming asset may very well have driven prices down (more so with DMS.* as explained). It may not be a coincidence that TAT.VM seems to have stabilized around the price that I will charge. I do not know what the market thinks.

Really, I do expect the market to value this as they see fit. Maybe they won't find the risk of late delivery being worth the bonus, maybe they will. I expect the market, sans my friend SOSLOVE, to intelligently evaluate this asset. In fact, I sell this asset to decades-long close friends because I do believe it will offer a reasonable reward. If I were to scam them, I would lose their friendship quite rapidly.

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+1. according to today DMS.MINING price ,that 1 M/hash is worth 0.003 BTC. Furuknap , you are issued asset at 0.004 and mining a month later, and you call this not a cheating ?

And you sell's your future order for 20x than now...you really think people are stupid ?

I really hope that BTCT.CO could do something to stop that...

It's a fair point on DMS.MINING price volatility.  Because there's no issuer or shortage on the supply side, the price WILL drop to the market's valuation of hash-power far more rapidly than PMBs can.  So whilst the behaviour of DMS.MINING does match PMBs, the behaviour of the market in valuing it may well differ.  That makes MINING a bad investment for those whose plan is to buy something over-priced then sell it even more over-priced to others (a strategy I frequently employ myself - through necessity as the vast majority of securities aren''t actually worth what they trade at).

But the argument that because the price won't fall quickly you can make more profit/less loss by selling higher isn't quite that simple.  If the price is maintained at above value then the loss represented by the difference doesn't disappear - it just gets passed on to the next owner.  At some stage someone ends up actually bearing that loss (even if it's only a loss in the sense of less profit).  And, as we're seeing, the existence of DMS.MINING is having a knock-on effect in forcing revaluation of PMBs a bit quicker than would otherwise occur - so it becomes risky to rely on a "bigger fool" showing up.

Shouldn't "my asset is better priced" have read "my asset was better priced" - as you explain how it USED TO BE better priced then somehow change tense to the present as though it still was?  You were asked why people should buy it NOW - not why they should (maybe) have bought it a week back when it was more competitively priced (had the opportunity been available).

You call $20 USD per G/hashrate , sold by 20X at $400 per G/hash is good investment for people???

OMG, You are making huge benefit out of those people....This why I am posting here.

This guy is mad and regardlessness anything, Just want to cheat people to recover his loss on PAJKA bond...

We should say, very smart move for him , but he under-estimate us , he think all of us can not do a proper math.

Good question, I would encourage you to post it in the official thread as well.

First of all, 'several months' may indeed be 'a few weeks'. We don't know. Like I said, 100TH is already planning on starting deployment with these chips next week. It is less and less likely there will be delays, but the contract states September so that I won't be over-promising anything.

Second, my bond pays a bonus which is most likely going to be 1.25 months of mining revenue (or just over 5 weeks). This is the likely avenue, but as someone pointed out, if the miner performs above specs (like most ASIC devices) that bonus is higher. At a 10% higher rate, the bonus is closer to 2 months of bonus dividends, but not that this will be dividends from the launch month.

Third, when I announced this asset, the competing assets immediately dropped (TAT.VM was trading at just under 0.7 the day before I made the announcement) so the asset pricing included a discount compared to other assets. It is not unlikely that people are bidding down those assets because they know my asset is coming.

With regards to DMS.Mining, that is a bit of a strange asset that is claimed to behave like a PMB but does so only in terms of dividends. Because of the way it is issued, it will actually carry a double exposure to price changes because those that buy .Purchase gets one vote for PMB and one vote against PMB; they cast two votes effectively. Thus, prices will move more rapidly with the DMS.* assets, and investors need to be extra careful if they plan on mitigating risk by selling at a certain level.

Essentially, my asset is better priced and less risky than other assets, but is essentially (and different from other mining contracts) a bet on how quickly Bitfury and his companions get their chips to market.

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Well you can buy deprived's offering at .003 BTC/mh or TAT's at .004 BTC/MH right now, so why would anyone buy your PMB and wait several months before seeing anything returned?

Again, to trying to argue that investments which will loss half of its value in 1 months time are good investments are ridiculousness and those people trying to issuing those bond contracts are greedy ugly people, God will punish you...you can't go to haven , hell is the only place for you .

I am happy that you come here and make this thread up...this will makes more people to view it.. this is the only thing you did right , since I know you.

Come on , Is that you try to post again of what my assumption of Avalon and AM? I have stated that just assumption...
Just do it ..... people with right mind will determine the truth , you are a liar!!

So now we've moved to both threats of physical violence and claims without backing.

Those are often tools utilized by those who have no arguments at all.

I'd be happy to post real evidence of your lies, however, if you'd like that?

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Yes , If I listen to you ,then I am absolutely stupid , but I am not...
I really want to beat you up if I could, you absolute a liar , I never seen single person like you who can ignored all truth.

The truth is PMBs lose half of its value in past month and will be more !!

Of course , you will happy to issue PMBs, because today's money borrowed only needs to pay back half in a month time..

Did you fell ashamed about yourself? God will punishing you ,and I think you will nearly going to hell at your age now.

Please do something good, ok? do not hurt innocent people by taking their money away, otherwise you really will be punished by God !

Nope, just you, really.

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PMB can be profitable if you bought or issued less 0.0015

Why don't you cancel your IPO , then you can do it when the miners are arrive?

What you are doing right now , you are asking other people to take out the risk which belongs to you and also you 10x over price your future devices.

You think all people are stupid

Actually, 100TH just announced that because the chips are working correctly (and these are the same chips used in my miner) they will start deployment next week.

https://picostocks.com/docs/index/19


I don't want to overpromise anything, so I won't adjust the contract, but it is more and more likely that the miner will arrive much sooner than September.

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no doubt these exchanges are pure comedy..virtual games lol

They do not know, this why we should help them , because they are the future of BTC.
We should do something to stop those greedy people destroying people's faith in BTC.

Perhaps they shouldn't be investing if they don't know what they are doing

I just trying to prevent people make stupid decision, that eventually loss its money..

The Survive of BTC is part depend on those new entry, if they loss their money by buying those PMBs ,then they might leaves this community and would probably never comeback . We can't let the minority of people by issuing those PMBs at this time to hurt majority of people..
Most newbies when they make decision ,they are often do no make right judgement.

if one person read my post and stop invest in those bonds ,then it is the victory of myself, I will be proud of what I did today ~

Agreed, this is a horrible investment at the offered price. I thought it was okay at first before I realized it only starts hashing in months.

I would hope this is pretty obvious as he states in the contract... but many people are naive.

Furuknap, this guy owns a website ,pretend to be a professional investor.

He issued this bond contracts that intend to be mining at September 2013, but he issuing his bond contracts in BTCT.CO right now.

Not only the value of his contracts is over-priced , he planed to issued 004 per 1M/hashrate which does not backed by any miners right now.

This guy ordered his devices for $20 USD per G/hash but he sell his contracts at $400 per G/hash.(You are going to pay 20 times more expensive than directly ordered it from Metabank)


I suggesting everyone in this forum should be smart , do not buying his contracts ,not only you will loss its value in very short time for sure and also
you will take the risk which original below to this guy!!! if anything happen with his order ,then victims will be you!

According to DMS/MINING ,THAT 1M/hashrate is only worth 0.003 BTC which you will receiving dividend from any time after your purchased the contracts.

Furuknap will continue posting to everyone that PMBs are good investment , why should he doing this ?

This because he will try his best to defend for PMBs are good investment by argue with anyone saying that PMBs are bad investment whichever will stop his greedy cheating plan go succeed.

Since , I spend my time here , is trying to prevent newbies from reading his false post and made a wrong decision. The reason I doing this is just because of my conscience. I am once a victim of PMBs , I do not want people repeating the mistake I have made .

And there also a trap in his contract , it stated that Mining will start on September 2013, but metabank said will start delivering orders on 1 August, this mean not only you guys are going to take the ship risk which originally belong to him and if metabank deliver its orders before 1 September 2013, then this guy will mining for himself util September 2013.  if metabank delayed its orders and in the main time difficulty is increasing , then anyone bought his contracts will be burning by then.   Ask people who bought BFL pre-order ,they will tells you what this fells like.



I will try my best to keep this post up...to ensure that less people will be hurt by his contract..of course, if you are smart and you want make money with BTC, do not buying PMBs at this time ~~you should wait util when ASIC are totally absorbed by the market.



This guy deleted my post in his thread, This makes me no choice that I only can send out information in here~

One month before this man trying to convince me to hold PAJKA bonds, I am glad I have right prediction of what will happen in the future.

Thus, I only make 6BTC loss in PAJKA BOND, If I did listen to him, I  will loss half of what I have invested in PAJKA BOND , anyone do not believe me you could going to BTCT.CO to look the past 1 month trend of PAJKA BOND.

Especially, newbies please do not buying anything you do not understand , I hope that you will have a pleasure time within trading BTC stocks and probably makes profit on it,but not wasting your money on it, for those people issued PMBs at this time should be ashamed on themselves as well as who approved it to trade on exchange.

I know BTC will only survive when more and more people will joint to it , I can not let minority of some evil people destroying our community by they take money away from innocent newbies. This will be a huge loss for entire Bitcoin community, if people are leave with lose ,they will never come back and will spreading negative information about trading with BTC stocks, thus the growth of entire BTC stocks will also be affected.

I claimed that I do not say PMBs are traps, What I stated is wait util the market totally absorbed the new technology then we should able to buying it again.

The right calculator for your to calculating the value of PMBs:  http://btc.re/?t=miningcalc