Topic: Do not play slot machines-Proof inside (Read 198 times)
I am locking the thread as the majority of responses are not getting what I am saying here,apparently most people are to spam the hell out of their signature campaigns and do not take time to read or interpret what the other person is saying.I know that the casino is a business and in the end they will be winning because of the house edge,I am saying that this has changed dramatically as of lately in most reputable casinos and this should not continue because this is called robbery not playing slot machines,I say here for the third time that before 1.5 years or a bit earlier never I have had a buy bonus that offers exactly 0.00 money and never in that time I have experienced more than 9-10 consecutive losses buying the bonus,as easy as that,back then casinos used to take your money more smoothly,this will inevitably lead to losing of customers over the long run.
This happened to me a couple of years ago even if I am an casino agent I still got losing streak as well and that was the sign that I needed to stop playing slot games. I usually switched games when I think I am unlucky but everytime I came back to slots it's all the same loss I got I don't know why.
You sound funny what do you expect from a casino, to allow you win them and walk away with their funds... No. Casinos are into business and they always want to win their customers that is why the machines are programmed in their favor. Buying bonus does not guarantee you a single win, only if you are lucky.
In gambling, the house hedge always win, and this is why we should not risky our funds thinking of making profit from gambling. If you win too much, you might not be given access to gamble anymore or your bet amount will be limited, but if your loss $1M, the casino will not stop you from gambling.
In gambling, the house hedge always win, and this is why we should not risky our funds thinking of making profit from gambling. If you win too much, you might not be given access to gamble anymore or your bet amount will be limited, but if your loss $1M, the casino will not stop you from gambling.
but doesn't that casino have an algorithm that makes them more profitable than the players? however, some providers may design their machines with different probabilities, so that when playing on one type of slot, the results may be different compared to games from other providers. but in your case it is really unfair and it seems like there is something wrong with the game because the chances of winning are very low and it is clearly profitable for the casino.
I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
- I've been playing slot games for a long time, and I've experienced losing 10 to 15 consecutive times, so what you're complaining about is 9 times; that's a little bit compared to what I've experienced. When that's what you should be doing first, it just means that you're unlucky on the day you play it.
What happened to you? You can see that you are losing one after another; you have not noticed that your game is salty, which is a sign that it is not your day that you always lose in slot games. We also need to discipline and control ourselves from time to time with our gambling.
That is difficult to do,I won more than that x1500 that I told you and that invalidated my first saying here,yet I got and lost it all by keep playing this game.What you all say that 15 buy bonus lost games is normal for me it is not normal at all,I have not been playing slots since yesterday but since 2007 and I know what I am saying,I am mad specifically at the provider or the casinos changing the RTP to these providers,never before 1.5 years or so as I said I have experienced 9 consecutive losses,it does not mean that I have been lucky to not experience this,it means simply the casinos would be somewhat more fair and leave the RTP unchanged,now they are both to blame,the providers that let casinos change RTP and casinos who take profit from this in the expenses of the players and this must stop.Not worth playing,because I have gone playing all day today and out of 250 buy bonuses not a single gold coin in final round of the bonus round which was hit only 3 times in 250 plays.
It's the same as always, it's not losing 9 times, it's how much they represent in your bankroll to be able to keep spinning, that's the thing here, it's not a 100-meter race, it's a marathon and in the end it may not be just a marathon (42k), several it, and when you win some, just start adding (factor x) to reduce losses, or perhaps to overcome them, who knows, slots are about turning, turning and turning, that is, if you can't always do that, then let them go...
Slots are like Schrödinger's cat, buy "100(500, 1000, or: Featured-bonus)" spins and only see the result when it ends, then you know if the cat is alive or dead.
Slots are like Schrödinger's cat, buy "100(500, 1000, or: Featured-bonus)" spins and only see the result when it ends, then you know if the cat is alive or dead.
I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
- I've been playing slot games for a long time, and I've experienced losing 10 to 15 consecutive times, so what you're complaining about is 9 times; that's a little bit compared to what I've experienced. When that's what you should be doing first, it just means that you're unlucky on the day you play it.
What happened to you? You can see that you are losing one after another; you have not noticed that your game is salty, which is a sign that it is not your day that you always lose in slot games. We also need to discipline and control ourselves from time to time with our gambling.
Instead of reinventing the wheel, "Wow, Sherlock, you've cracked the code! Casinos are rigged to make money, who knew? But hey, at least you exposed the vast conspiracy of the slot machine refusing to give you exactly what you wanted after you...bought the bonus feature. Because clearly, randomness is a myth when you're feeling unlucky.
That is what I wanted to show as despite I showed only one casino where I play I also tried in many others and the same sh*t happened.I wanted to post this to show that the casinos are changing the RTP,never before 1.5 years from now I had 9 consecutive lost sessions in a row and never before that time I had buy bonus feature that netted you exactly 0 money.
That is why I am saying to stop playing as nowadays with the change RTP allowed by slot providers it is really a stupid thing to do as we don't know the real RTP no matter what the casinos advertise and in fact if we check the RTP advertised the payouts should be better than this and I only posted here but in chats of all casinos people are complaining about this.
Currently I often experience buy spins with 9 out of 10 getting nothing. I immediately didn't visit the game until now because honestly, being programmed like this is very unethical to play. I put such games on my personal blacklist. out of 10 rounds, a maximum of 3-5 rounds are empty, meaning they are not recommended for playing at all. A house with a slot game program like this is unfair to me personally.
You should try the other games and you may even get longer losing streak with buy bonus.
I'm quite sure that I have experienced more than 10 losing bet with bonus buy consequtively in few different games.
When I experienced it, I also feel that it is impossible to happen and I thought that the game is rigged.
At the other time, I experienced where I get profit with 10 consequtive bonus buy, so what will you say if you experience like this?
As I know you have a lot experiences in slot games, but seems that it is the first time you experienced such bad losing streak with bonus buy.
I can feel you as I've experienced few times, what I can say is, do not continue buy bonus if you get no win at all with your first 5 try.
Or simply combine your gameplay, I mean do not do consequtive bonus buy as it wont increase your winning chance.
I'm quite sure that I have experienced more than 10 losing bet with bonus buy consequtively in few different games.
When I experienced it, I also feel that it is impossible to happen and I thought that the game is rigged.
At the other time, I experienced where I get profit with 10 consequtive bonus buy, so what will you say if you experience like this?
As I know you have a lot experiences in slot games, but seems that it is the first time you experienced such bad losing streak with bonus buy.
I can feel you as I've experienced few times, what I can say is, do not continue buy bonus if you get no win at all with your first 5 try.
Or simply combine your gameplay, I mean do not do consequtive bonus buy as it wont increase your winning chance.
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I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
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Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
Well, I did want to first of all say you sorry for your lost, but then, you should have known that in slot games, even buying a bonus is never guarantee that you will win, I've seen people buy bonus on slot games, and yet, still ended up losing their entire balance without a single profit, so yeah, you gotta stop being sentimental about your loss and face reality. https://i.ibb.co/Q9DZkZ5/STAKEHORROR.png
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Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
One thing you have to realize in and with slot games is that when it comes to winning and losing, there are no facts, it's purely based on your level of good luck, this alone determine if you win or lose, and like I've said before, 3v3n buying a bonus is not a guarantee, even though is does increases your chances, it's doesn't guarantee that you will win something, so, it's better you just accept your loss and simply move on bud.
I think you weren't expecting for that result in any hypothesis, so it's still hard to accept the fact you lost 9 times in a row at slots machine, even though you had bonus activated. These things do happen more often than we wish, but it's not enough proof to claim the game is rigged. Maybe it's time to stop buying those bonus rounds or to move yourself to another gambling games, because in fact, slots aren't better when compared to table games which you can have much more flexibility when making you own settings. Personally, slots always leave a bitter taste on my mouth after a while playing. 
By loss means he get a profit lesser than the amount he used to purchase bonus buy. This is normal on slot games with high volatility. You can experience greater than 9 loss in a row either since there’s no exact measurement on the probability of winning in slot games.
He will manage to win at some point if he keeps playing since the RTP should be kick in. The OP is just too unlucky to experience the consecutive losses at the beginning of his game. Normally, I hit a massive multiplier after experiencing a terrible loss streak to balance/breakeven my game.
Slot games will just balance all the result close to its declared theoretical RTP as the game progresses.
I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
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Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
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Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
I guess I am missing something here. I have seen games without any kind of bonuses having a losing streak of more then 25 bets.
What is special with the bonus active and why do you think that you shouldn't have got 9 losing streaks ?
I think you weren't expecting for that result in any hypothesis, so it's still hard to accept the fact you lost 9 times in a row at slots machine, even though you had bonus activated. These things do happen more often than we wish, but it's not enough proof to claim the game is rigged. Maybe it's time to stop buying those bonus rounds or to move yourself to another gambling games, because in fact, slots aren't better when compared to table games which you can have much more flexibility when making you own settings. Personally, slots always leave a bitter taste on my mouth after a while playing.
I understand your frustration but that doesn't necessarily prove that they're rigged, I'm not claiming that they aren't, I'm saying that from what you've said so far, it's not safe to claim that there's enough evidence to call them rigged. Wins are purely random, who knows if you would have won at the next roll? Anyway, this is the main reason I avoid slot games like a plague, I don't like their philosophy nor do I believe that anyone has managed to score a significant win against them.
Well let me tell you the third part of the story in the pic below as I hit more than 1500x and clearly overcome the loss and make a profit of near 100 dollars in total.
And this invalidates your previous assumption
Slot machines don't have to put you on continuous losses just to achieve that RDP, it's pure randomness, you can have a streak of 10 losses and still be better off than losing twice every win, it's harder for the user to understand that indeed 9 consecutive losses do happen just as 9 consecutive wins do, it's a matter of probabilities, the more you play the longer they will be and more these will appear, the chances of getting 10 heads in 10 tosses are close to null, but to get 10 consecutive heads of 1000 starts being pretty possible.
... I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
Well, maybe the 11 buy would be x1000? Or maybe you need to buy more bonus rounds, and just maybe you will hit the max win? Who knows what is around the corner, it makes us play more and chase big wins. And sometimes we hit something big, but most of the time we hurt our bankrolls. Slots can be crazy, as I write from time to time, they can give a lot, but they can take even more.
10 bad bonus rounds are nothing special, even for Pragmatic... I played Gates of Olympus like crazy in the past few days, I won many bonuses with normal spins, and I was buying bonuses, but my maximum win was x120... all others were under x50, many of them under x10. Someone would say total disaster, but we are talking about playing slots, crazy long streaks of dead spins, and bonuses that pay almost nothing, I guess we knew what could happen before we started playing.
I think I can only wish you more luck next time, for you, me, and all the others who love to play slots.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
I think it’s more easier to have a grasp on your point if you will provide your betting history that shows 9 consecutive loss to determine the percentage of lose of every buy bonus that you mention.
Buy bonus loss usually just a percentage of the original bonus buy amount due to the small return it can give per spin not to mention that Pragmatic Play slots has an instant small win the moment you hit the scatter symbol for the bonus round.
I want to check what’s the loss per buy bonus. If this loss is always 100% loss amount then there’s really something wrong with this slot since it’s equivalent to 900 spin without any win even a penny.
I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
But that doesn't prove anything. 9 consecutive lost games in any slot, bonus round or not isn't even unusual. Companies that audit these slots give them something like 10 million spins before they pass acceptable threshold of return to player. And they do it constantly. Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
Getting 9 consecutive losses on any slot machine with bonus is a bad day, but it's not uncommon at all, even with a not bought bonus, as i never buy bonuses. If those would win every time, people wouldn't use them. You are literally risking all that money when you buy a bonus, not just part of it.
I put the second picture there to show that despite that horror combination of 9 consecutive buy bonuses the game tried to optimize a bit but it still continued to kill most of my session.That 9 lost I have never seen such horror before,not in buy bonus in almost any other provider that offers such thing.
It is true I have been playing this game long enough,more than long enough I would say as this is the only game I play yet I know this to be very few persons favorite as in all casinos that I play I have never seen more than 20 people at the same time playing it compared to games like Gates of Olympus/Olympus 1000 and Sweet Bonanza/Bonanza 1000 which you can spot always more than 300 persons playing them simultaneously and speaking about Sweet Bonanza never had 9 consecutive lost in the buy bonus there.
Well let me tell you the third part of the story in the pic below as I hit more than 1500x and clearly overcome the loss and make a profit of near 100 dollars in total.
It is true I have been playing this game long enough,more than long enough I would say as this is the only game I play yet I know this to be very few persons favorite as in all casinos that I play I have never seen more than 20 people at the same time playing it compared to games like Gates of Olympus/Olympus 1000 and Sweet Bonanza/Bonanza 1000 which you can spot always more than 300 persons playing them simultaneously and speaking about Sweet Bonanza never had 9 consecutive lost in the buy bonus there.
Well let me tell you the third part of the story in the pic below as I hit more than 1500x and clearly overcome the loss and make a profit of near 100 dollars in total.
That's why I'm not a fan of slot games because I know that most of them are too random in terms of the probability of hitting the jackpot or winning, which is too low, and I think it's a waste of money if you are going to play slot games because you will only play randomly and there is no assurance that you will win eventually. That's why I prefer playing other gambling games, especially card games, because you can have a higher chance of winning if you are good at outsmarting your opponent and you are good at that card game. Also, the most profitable gambling for me is sports betting, because you will only have 50/50 chances of winning and losing, and if you are good at analyzing, you can predict which team or player will have the chance to win in a match, and I think sports betting is more fun. In short, for me, slot games are the least I would play in a gambling game.
Maybe this is just a case of shit happens and that you're just so good at hitting that wrong combinations, that's supposed to happen with slots anyway but I do get your point, why advertise RTP to be so good that there's a guarantee of win in a consecutive losses this bad, maybe that RTP is a myth or that they've worded it all wrong, maybe it's not "for every $100 you play, you get $95 back" and it was really "for every $1000 you play, you get $95 back. I guess they really want that money from you and they're probably losing so much that day in their other games that they have to move the invisible hand of the cheating casino to make sure that the house will win 95% of the time.
I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
9 games is not enough to determine statistics. You've probably had the reverse luck. Paying attention to your statement that this is your favorite game, we can say that you have been playing Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play for a long time, but have never encountered such a defeat from a slot machine before. Therefore, in previous games you had a normal RTP?Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
The trouble is that players cannot verify the stated RTP and can only trust the provider of services and slot machines. Personal (losing) observations of gamblers are not an objective and accurate assessment without a reliable third-party audit.Although, I must admit, I also always thought that some casinos could cheat in favor of reducing the RTP. Why not? There is a direct selfish motive in this - profit.
Instead of reinventing the wheel, "Wow, Sherlock, you've cracked the code! Casinos are rigged to make money, who knew? But hey, at least you exposed the vast conspiracy of the slot machine refusing to give you exactly what you wanted after you...bought the bonus feature. Because clearly, randomness is a myth when you're feeling unlucky.
That is what I wanted to show as despite I showed only one casino where I play I also tried in many others and the same sh*t happened.I wanted to post this to show that the casinos are changing the RTP,never before 1.5 years from now I had 9 consecutive lost sessions in a row and never before that time I had buy bonus feature that netted you exactly 0 money.
That is why I am saying to stop playing as nowadays with the change RTP allowed by slot providers it is really a stupid thing to do as we don't know the real RTP no matter what the casinos advertise and in fact if we check the RTP advertised the payouts should be better than this and I only posted here but in chats of all casinos people are complaining about this.
Instead of reinventing the wheel, "Wow, Sherlock, you've cracked the code! Casinos are rigged to make money, who knew? But hey, at least you exposed the vast conspiracy of the slot machine refusing to give you exactly what you wanted after you...bought the bonus feature. Because clearly, randomness is a myth when you're feeling unlucky.
I was playing one of my most preferred slot machines called Rabbit Garden from Pragmatic Play yesterday and I always use to buy the bonus feature.I got exactly 9 consecutive lost games as a start and that means only one thing that the slot machine clearly is programmed to favor the house.You may say "oh you invented the wheel again" but my point is that despite we all know that they are programmed like that you cannot have 9 consecutive lost games,that is a lot when you the buy the bonus and may lose all of your balance when you play with a high bet.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
Although the lost amount is little what I want to point out is the number of lost games when buying the bonus compared to the number of wins,it is heavily in favor of the lost ones,it should not be like that based on the declared RTP of the game.
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