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Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

Ya, what i was thinking is in order to stop, for example the IS, world government must dig deeper on who is financing this organization because its a nonstop issue if they would just capture some of its members. And i bet the lowly members who is behind there financial stability.

world government? you been watching too much tv or something there is no such thing not now or ever and the UN can go play with themselves they aint becoming it either

Yea! World Government.. Members of that government are the richest of world but aren't seen in media like Forbes Magazine. They are over governments and states. They start wars and re-draw country maps. Its up to you whether believe or not.

i stand by my original comment, "there is no such thing not now or ever and the UN can go play with themselves they aint becoming it either"

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Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

Ya, what i was thinking is in order to stop, for example the IS, world government must dig deeper on who is financing this organization because its a nonstop issue if they would just capture some of its members. And i bet the lowly members who is behind there financial stability.

world government? you been watching too much tv or something there is no such thing not now or ever and the UN can go play with themselves they aint becoming it either

Yea! World Government.. Members of that government are the richest of world but aren't seen in media like Forbes Magazine. They are over governments and states. They start wars and re-draw country maps. Its up to you whether believe or not.

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ter·ror·ism (tĕr′ə-rĭz′əm)
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The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

Sounds like every government ever; ISIS is just a government in the making

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

i believe terrorist organization exist,they have so many plan to give teror to around the world,but i dont know what they want,and i'm rather about ISIS,they are not islam in my opinion,they just and organization who will make islam name bad,and they just do all terror in every countries.

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Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

Ya, what i was thinking is in order to stop, for example the IS, world government must dig deeper on who is financing this organization because its a nonstop issue if they would just capture some of its members. And i bet the lowly members who is behind there financial stability.

world government? you been watching too much tv or something there is no such thing not now or ever and the UN can go play with themselves they aint becoming it either

Dude i mean World organizations which features leaders or presidents of each country examples the UN or ASEAN an others. Alliance that's built to tackle about world issues.

ohhh you meant the globes worst criminals, i get it now, yeah they all want hanging in my opinion

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Quote from: trickyriky on March 18, 2016, 06:17:23 AM

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Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

Ya, what i was thinking is in order to stop, for example the IS, world government must dig deeper on who is financing this organization because its a nonstop issue if they would just capture some of its members. And i bet the lowly members who is behind there financial stability.

world government? you been watching too much tv or something there is no such thing not now or ever and the UN can go play with themselves they aint becoming it either

Dude i mean World organizations which features leaders or presidents of each country examples the UN or ASEAN an others. Alliance that's built to tackle about world issues.

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Because terrorists are not disrupting economies, they are trying to make people AFRAID. Also their acts have to be despicable so everyone will hate them and regard them as enemies. This is how terror groups do the bidding of governments, and is reasonable evidence that governments control them.

Western economies are extremely fragile - roads, electrical grid, and Internet can all be broken with trivial effort. Again, this is not the goal of terror groups.

Not what they're saying. They're saying they want to destroy us. What's the point of just making us afraid? There is no goal to such thing!

It appears that you don't understand how mass media influences behavior and shapes hearts and minds. You may want to read up on motivational psychology a little bit. Here's a nice article to get you started:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-main-ingredient/200909/the-most-powerful-motivator

Ya i actually blame media not all but because some give news not from the poor peoples perspectives.
they show news that blocks another truth so when you get to see to yourself its hard to believe whats u saw on the news

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Quote from: JesusHadAegis on March 18, 2016, 04:12:44 AM

Quote from: magnific61 on March 17, 2016, 05:05:29 AM

Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

Ya, what i was thinking is in order to stop, for example the IS, world government must dig deeper on who is financing this organization because its a nonstop issue if they would just capture some of its members. And i bet the lowly members who is behind there financial stability.

world government? you been watching too much tv or something there is no such thing not now or ever and the UN can go play with themselves they aint becoming it either

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Because terrorists are not disrupting economies, they are trying to make people AFRAID. Also their acts have to be despicable so everyone will hate them and regard them as enemies. This is how terror groups do the bidding of governments, and is reasonable evidence that governments control them.

Western economies are extremely fragile - roads, electrical grid, and Internet can all be broken with trivial effort. Again, this is not the goal of terror groups.

Not what they're saying. They're saying they want to destroy us. What's the point of just making us afraid? There is no goal to such thing!

It appears that you don't understand how mass media influences behavior and shapes hearts and minds. You may want to read up on motivational psychology a little bit. Here's a nice article to get you started:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-main-ingredient/200909/the-most-powerful-motivator

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Quote from: magnific61 on March 17, 2016, 05:05:29 AM

Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

Ya, what i was thinking is in order to stop, for example the IS, world government must dig deeper on who is financing this organization because its a nonstop issue if they would just capture some of its members. And i bet the lowly members who is behind there financial stability.

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Yes, terrorist organisation exist in the world. like ISIS is a terrorist organisation.

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Terrorist organisations exist but the main question is who is there behind of those terrorist organisations? Who provides them logistics and weapons? Because a terrorist organisation can't buy even a bullet without intelligent support of a secret service.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2016, 07:03:40 PM

Not so naïve in my opinion. Our whole economy is based on transport. You wanna hit Europe hard? Take 10 guys with hammers and go hit railroads randomly accross the country. It'll make hundreds of deaths of course, but it will also stop train transport.

You can do the same with trucks. Simply put a 5 meters long thin sharp piece of metal at night when there is no one on the highway. Rise it at day when traffic is dense. Huge crash and highway blocked.

Because terrorists are not disrupting economies, they are trying to make people AFRAID. Also their acts have to be despicable so everyone will hate them and regard them as enemies. This is how terror groups do the bidding of governments, and is reasonable evidence that governments control them.

Western economies are extremely fragile - roads, electrical grid, and Internet can all be broken with trivial effort. Again, this is not the goal of terror groups.

Not what they're saying. They're saying they want to destroy us. What's the point of just making us afraid? There is no goal to such thing!

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Ofcourse. CIA is a terrorist organization.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2016, 07:03:40 PM

Not so naïve in my opinion. Our whole economy is based on transport. You wanna hit Europe hard? Take 10 guys with hammers and go hit railroads randomly accross the country. It'll make hundreds of deaths of course, but it will also stop train transport.

You can do the same with trucks. Simply put a 5 meters long thin sharp piece of metal at night when there is no one on the highway. Rise it at day when traffic is dense. Huge crash and highway blocked.

Because terrorists are not disrupting economies, they are trying to make people AFRAID. Also their acts have to be despicable so everyone will hate them and regard them as enemies. This is how terror groups do the bidding of governments, and is reasonable evidence that governments control them.

Western economies are extremely fragile - roads, electrical grid, and Internet can all be broken with trivial effort. Again, this is not the goal of terror groups.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 16, 2016, 06:13:55 AM

Not so naïve in my opinion. Our whole economy is based on transport. You wanna hit Europe hard? Take 10 guys with hammers and go hit railroads randomly accross the country. It'll make hundreds of deaths of course, but it will also stop train transport.

You can do the same with trucks. Simply put a 5 meters long thin sharp piece of metal at night when there is no one on the highway. Rise it at day when traffic is dense. Huge crash and highway blocked.

The idea is that our economy depends highly on transports, but that transports axes are weak because far too vast to be protected!

Well I'm wondering about their lack of efficiency. They don't do even 1% of the damage they could do. It's rather suspicious...

You are right with transport. That is why some Europeanse countries in past few decades grown preeeetyy fast. If export exists, business goes better, you can sell more than in case when you can sell only to local buyers.

About terrorists, now governments around the world focus on exterminating terrorism, even before it exists. USA made so much chaos about it, that now everybody cares. This was really nice excuse to invigilate people even more, to check emails and so on. it exist in every more developed country.
So maybe terrorists have lack of efficiency or strategy or just governments are so much into exterminate it.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2016, 07:03:40 PM

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

Uh OK whatever. That sounds like you're quite young or quite naive or both. But either way, you are correct about the dumb and useless part except terrorists don't see it that way at all. It's a cause to them, a crusade.

Not so naïve in my opinion. Our whole economy is based on transport. You wanna hit Europe hard? Take 10 guys with hammers and go hit railroads randomly accross the country. It'll make hundreds of deaths of course, but it will also stop train transport.

You can do the same with trucks. Simply put a 5 meters long thin sharp piece of metal at night when there is no one on the highway. Rise it at day when traffic is dense. Huge crash and highway blocked.

The idea is that our economy depends highly on transports, but that transports axes are weak because far too vast to be protected!

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So those organizations exist, and yes governments do take advantage of it but they take advantage of everything. That part shouldn't be surprising. If you want to see some real conspiracy theories, go to septemberclues.org or letsrollforum.org. It's some of the crazies shit you've ever seen.

Well I'm wondering about their lack of efficiency. They don't do even 1% of the damage they could do. It's rather suspicious...

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 09, 2016, 06:42:02 PM

I think you err in starting with your opinions based on "Recent Western News."

A more comprehensive view is possible, say consider a couple of decades, the "whole world."

Also, these guys know exactly what they are doing with "terror." To understand that you must look at their actual writings and concepts and world view.

Terror is useless for them. It doesn't really harm us in any way... It's not at all the best way to harm us! Why not aiming the weak point (and god they're numerous) of our society and our economy?

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Every country has a terrorist organization in its palm and they know about it and keeping an eye on them.
These terrorist organization are the main reason why people hate some government to spreading their ideology.

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I think so for mostly they do not just act as one person. They have huge connections that others cannot imagine, one leader would make them promise into something that could make other make their moves. But in the end there is only one person who will remain and that will be their leader for they are just following orders and of course money for their connections, their plan will be more successful..

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

Yes. They do exist.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

well it started here with few dump teenagers who thought that theyare being bosses
then we started to see these groups getting bigger and started to have heavy weapons
the common thing between them that they are all supported by the US and its allies , so your question is kinda tricky but the obvious thing that these groups are doing exactly what the US wants

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.

Governments role is to regulate and collect tax. Is it different anywhere?

Incorrect - the state is defined by its monopoly on violence.

A few days ago, the US military killed 150 "militants" in an unmanned drone attack in Somalia. What is the difference between this and a bomb attack in Europe by some Arab guys? Answer: one act is "justified" by a government and a willing mass media, one is not.

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Just watch international news, they are everywhere.These terrorist groups are scattered around the world.Its obvious that they have organizations and have connections in other countries.

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 10, 2016, 11:08:04 AM

Fixed it for you.

I don't agree with you, CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/how_the_cia_found_and_groomed_saddam.html
And after he was no longer necessary, ( he started to thinking good for his people) they found he has weapons of mass destruction. This is just smal examlpe of duplicity and hypocrisy of the west.

Okay.

Let's add Iraq to the list, if you want.

But Iran has openly admitted backing various terrorist causes.

So it makes no sense, not even propaganda disinformation sense, for you to claim it's the USA.

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 10, 2016, 11:08:04 AM

Fixed it for you.

I don't agree with you, CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/how_the_cia_found_and_groomed_saddam.html
And after he was no longer necessary, ( he started to thinking good for his people) they found he has weapons of mass destruction. This is just smal examlpe of duplicity and hypocrisy of the west.

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Every day I read about terrorist organizations and I think this is the greatest evil on this planet .They are real and in the future will hurt a lot of innocent people.There's no end.

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well actually they are called terrorist groups and yes they exist i mean the one everyone knows is isis

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This question is obvious. I think everyone is asking this themselve sooner or later.
And also it is obvious that they are supported more widely in their origin countries, in a morale way, than we think.
Lately there was a report on a local news site, and they confirmed this.
no matter how you turn it, it isnt the best proof that our intelligence agencies are working efficiently.

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the only terrorists on the planet represent some guberment or other Sad

guberment can not fix the problem when they are the problem

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Quote from: Fortify on March 09, 2016, 04:05:41 PM

Quote from: magnific61 on March 09, 2016, 03:34:01 PM

BUT. ..
At same time, western civilisation occupied and exploited world's sources and for that killed millions of people. 20th, century's wars were the most fatal wars. Western civilisation also found the most deadly weapons and missiles.
Terror is terrible and unacceptable but western civilization terrorized the other side of world.
You may say that they deserved it?
No! Nobody deserves killed by a suicide bombing.
To explode a bomb among innocent civilians must be the worst thing to do.
But terror rarely hits western civilisation. Mostly hits other side of world whose sources were exploited.

I don't know why so many of the wars in the past have been fought, probably to keep the military industrial complex going - that's the problem with creating so much expensive weaponry, you kinda need to show a use for it. This doesn't absolve any of the guilt, most of the time we get involved in a vain effort to be the heroes but it inadvertently makes matters worse.

Capitalism in America has evolved into something ugly. Wealth has become too concentrated, there is a point where you simply do not need any more money to live comfortably for the rest of your life. Anyone hoarding piles of money when there is still poverty and natural destruction in your country is greedy.

The most greedy few people are the most rich. They have maybe for million years enough money but they want more and more.
World's sources enough maybe for 10 bliion people but income distribution is not justice. Therefore poor hates rich. Rich doesn't help poor. Contrary wants what poor has. If onebody poor and ignorant, he is potential terrorist candidate in convenient hand.

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 10, 2016, 09:17:08 AM

"Almost 70,000 Muslim clerics have come together to pass a fatwa against global terrorist organizations, including the Taliban, al Qaeda and the militant group that calls itself the Islamic State."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea

Real danger are sponsors. ~~US secret services~~ Iran are behind every major terrorist attacks in the world,
if not directly, they knew it that would happen, from their sources.

Fixed it for you.

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"Almost 70,000 Muslim clerics have come together to pass a fatwa against global terrorist organizations, including the Taliban, al Qaeda and the militant group that calls itself the Islamic State."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea

Real danger are sponsors. US secret services are behind every major terrorist attacks in the world,
if not directly, they knew it that would happen, from their sources.

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I think that they exist and they are very well organized. They activley recruit their members, collect funds through different sources and plan actions. In every moment they can organize an individual or a group who will performe something and the hierarchy is very strong. Terorist organizations are not science fiction.

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The proof many of the terrorist attacks that we have seen in the west can be put down to self-radicalisation of small groups or individuals.

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Terrorist organizations exist in most of the countries. Without such organization, making people with same thoughts get united is simply strange. Only because of such organization terrorist attacks are getting increased.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2016, 07:03:40 PM

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

Uh OK whatever. That sounds like you're quite young or quite naive or both. But either way, you are correct about the dumb and useless part except terrorists don't see it that way at all. It's a cause to them, a crusade.

So those organizations exist, and yes governments do take advantage of it but they take advantage of everything. That part shouldn't be surprising. If you want to see some real conspiracy theories, go to septemberclues.org or letsrollforum.org. It's some of the crazies shit you've ever seen.

To understand the use of terror to achieve ends, just look at the "career" of Yassir Arafat. Hundreds of bombings and terrorist actions that he condoned or directly aided and planned, all while the "leader of the Palestinian people" and ALL designed both as to location, and timing, to maximize world media exposure.

He played the media like a fiddle, just as the latest Middle Eastern extremists are doing today, and just like they will do tomorrow. That is the goal - to put their "cause" on the front page of the world media.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

Uh OK whatever. That sounds like you're quite young or quite naive or both. But either way, you are correct about the dumb and useless part except terrorists don't see it that way at all. It's a cause to them, a crusade.

So those organizations exist, and yes governments do take advantage of it but they take advantage of everything. That part shouldn't be surprising. If you want to see some real conspiracy theories, go to septemberclues.org or letsrollforum.org. It's some of the crazies shit you've ever seen.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

I think you err in starting with your opinions based on "Recent Western News."

A more comprehensive view is possible, say consider a couple of decades, the "whole world."

Also, these guys know exactly what they are doing with "terror." To understand that you must look at their actual writings and concepts and world view.

Quote from: gentlemand on March 09, 2016, 06:28:41 PM

Groups of people using violence to make a point? I think it's just possible that that isn't the sole remit of governments. Call me a crazy head if you like.

Does not look exactly like "governments" at the core of the problem....

www.thereligionofpeace.com

http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/a/TerroristGroups.htm

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Groups of people using violence to make a point? I think it's just possible that that isn't the sole remit of governments. Call me a crazy head if you like.

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Quote from: magnific61 on March 09, 2016, 03:34:01 PM

BUT. ..
At same time, western civilisation occupied and exploited world's sources and for that killed millions of people. 20th, century's wars were the most fatal wars. Western civilisation also found the most deadly weapons and missiles.
Terror is terrible and unacceptable but western civilization terrorized the other side of world.
You may say that they deserved it?
No! Nobody deserves killed by a suicide bombing.
To explode a bomb among innocent civilians must be the worst thing to do.
But terror rarely hits western civilisation. Mostly hits other side of world whose sources were exploited.

I don't know why so many of the wars in the past have been fought, probably to keep the military industrial complex going - that's the problem with creating so much expensive weaponry, you kinda need to show a use for it. This doesn't absolve any of the guilt, most of the time we get involved in a vain effort to be the heroes but it inadvertently makes matters worse.

Capitalism in America has evolved into something ugly. Wealth has become too concentrated, there is a point where you simply do not need any more money to live comfortably for the rest of your life. Anyone hoarding piles of money when there is still poverty and natural destruction in your country is greedy.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

I think that you are trying to find simple and logic answers to something what is very complicate and not logic.
Yes, some terrorist initially received training and support from USa because of the same common enemy, USSR but later America become their enemy.
Governments will always try to use any opportunity to show their straight and ability to protect their people, even from terrorists, in hope to win next elections.
Terrorists have clear goal, to scare people, so that they loose sense of security and become afraid.
This is their first goal with every terrorist attack.
Next is to get more followers and members and last to bring down Western civilization.
They are not stupid.

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Quote from: Fortify on March 09, 2016, 03:12:08 PM

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:53 AM

Not what I mean. What I mean is that our current Western civilization is weak and fragile. It would be so easy to crash it down but they don't. Why?

Again you are looking at the world the wrong way around. They are lashing out at stronger western countries, like a wounded bear they only get more dangerous when they know they are dying. Western civilisation will continue as it is constantly moving forward, Jihadists are stuck in the past.

I should confess that world owes to western civilisation for technology. From electric to washing machines, from car to planes, from a simple watch to computers whatever makes our life faster and easier western civilisation found and brought.
BUT. ..
At same time, western civilisation occupied and exploited world's sources and for that killed millions of people. 20th, century's wars were the most fatal wars. Western civilisation also found the most deadly weapons and missiles.
Terror is terrible and unacceptable but western civilization terrorized the other side of world.
You may say that they deserved it?
No! Nobody deserves killed by a suicide bombing.
To explode a bomb among innocent civilians must be the worst thing to do.
But terror rarely hits western civilisation. Mostly hits other side of world whose sources were exploited.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:53 AM

Not what I mean. What I mean is that our current Western civilization is weak and fragile. It would be so easy to crash it down but they don't. Why?

Again you are looking at the world the wrong way around. They are lashing out at stronger western countries, like a wounded bear they only get more dangerous when they know they are dying. Western civilisation will continue as it is constantly moving forward, Jihadists are stuck in the past.

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Who can believe contrary?
Osama Bin Laden's company was partner of Bush family's company. Al Queda members were trained by Cia agents.
Isis leader was in Al Gureyb prison and met there with Patreus. They knew each other very well.
Mossad agents train Pkk militants in Iraq and give them logistical and intelligence support.
Wherever a terrorist organisation exist, there's one country or secret service direct or indirect behind it.

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Quote from: Fortify on March 09, 2016, 10:19:50 AM

You're asking the wrong question. What is an organisation? It's just a group of people working towards the same goal. Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who think their interpretation of religion is the only correct one and they are willing to kill others based on that belief. It's a contradiction, people always preach about how religion is the good way, in reality it is too easily abused by bad people for their own agenda.

i totally agree with you..these terrorist orgasinations have a lot of reasons to attack innocent people but the worst of all is religious stuff.. i cant stand killing people by religious purposes.. this is horrible..

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Of course terrorist organizations exist, most government started as such. When the US was a British colony, the people fighting for independence were terrorists. IS is a terrorist organization to most of us, but it's trying to act and look like a legitimate government in Syria. That's the most difficult point, the breakaway moment when terrorists become legit.

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Quote from: Fortify on March 09, 2016, 10:19:50 AM

You're asking the wrong question. What is an organisation? It's just a group of people working towards the same goal. Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who think their interpretation of religion is the only correct one and they are willing to kill others based on that belief. It's a contradiction, people always preach about how religion is the good way, in reality it is too easily abused by bad people for their own agenda.

Exactly. And the goal of most terrorist organizations is to harm in all possible ways Western culture and countries. So why do they only do stupid and useless things without harming us in any way?

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Quote from: bitsmichel on March 09, 2016, 10:06:55 AM

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

Some of them are relatively smart, working in government jobs and industry. Motivations vary.

Not what I mean. What I mean is that our current Western civilization is weak and fragile. It would be so easy to crash it down but they don't. Why?

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.

Governments role is to regulate and collect tax. Is it different anywhere?

One's could argue it is not the role of a government. The role of a government is to apply the People Will. Fact is that they use such attacks to manipulate those people and to make them forget about real problems.

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