Do we allow alt accounts in forum awards.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 26, 2024, 01:59:02 PM

Quote from: joker_josue on August 25, 2024, 02:04:54 AM

I guess the point is that if we know an account is alt, but we don't know who it is. So does it make sense to allow an alt to participate?

I could say exactly the same thing for all other accounts who participated in pizza contest and all other forum competitions.
As far as I know airfinex didn't confirm that he is an altaccount, so it's all based on speculation that someone in forum is against royse, and I know plenty of people who don't like him.
All this topic and discussion at the moment is one big nothinburger, until I see something concrete aka evidence.

Note, I'm just not here saying I'm for or against it. Just creating lines of reasoning on the subject.

Now, if there is no clear evidence that the account is alt, then it's not really worth speculating.

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Quote from: joker_josue on August 25, 2024, 02:04:54 AM

I guess the point is that if we know an account is alt, but we don't know who it is. So does it make sense to allow an alt to participate?

I could say exactly the same thing for all other accounts who participated in pizza contest and all other forum competitions.
As far as I know airfinex didn't confirm that he is an altaccount, so it's all based on speculation that someone in forum is against royse, and I know plenty of people who don't like him.
All this topic and discussion at the moment is one big nothinburger, until I see something concrete aka evidence.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 24, 2024, 10:42:04 AM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 24, 2024, 04:38:54 AM

It's casinocritiue and created for the project Casino Critique . Anyone can create alt, that's not the problem. The discussion here is that for example in pizza contest if I join from both Royse and Casino Critique than it's unfair. One person is taking two spots for the same competition.

Yes I understand that, but you didn't provide a single valid proof that airfinex other altaccount participated in pizza contest, you didn't even speculated who that might be.
I am the first one to complain if I see anyone participating and cheating in any forum competitions with multiple accounts, but I need to see evidence.

I guess the point is that if we know an account is alt, but we don't know who it is. So does it make sense to allow an alt to participate?

One thing is that we know that AltX is from UserX, so we know who we are dealing with at all times.
Another is that we don't know who owns the AltZ account, whether it's UserZ or UserY. The question remains whether the alt is participating alone, or also with the parent account.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 24, 2024, 04:38:54 AM

It's casinocritiue and created for the project Casino Critique . Anyone can create alt, that's not the problem. The discussion here is that for example in pizza contest if I join from both Royse and Casino Critique than it's unfair. One person is taking two spots for the same competition.

The account CasinoCritque meant to be connected with my account although it's created for business use not personal purpose. Since this is not a personal account, anyone from the Casino Critique team can handle the account to do forum related tasks.

Obviously, that’s the theme of the OP as I see it which is very much unfair by my standards and as to how I’ve come to understand the forum.
It’s even unfair still, to use alt accounts and vote in polls, after you might have supposedly cast a vote from another account. These count towards malpractices that jeopardize the integrity and aim of the entire system.
It’s why it remains a roll to not participate with alts in these contest and signatures.
Your quality is already visible in one account. Let it out and not cheat the system.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 24, 2024, 04:38:54 AM

It's casinocritiue and created for the project Casino Critique . Anyone can create alt, that's not the problem. The discussion here is that for example in pizza contest if I join from both Royse and Casino Critique than it's unfair. One person is taking two spots for the same competition.

Yes I understand that, but you didn't provide a single valid proof that airfinex other altaccount participated in pizza contest, you didn't even speculated who that might be.
I am the first one to complain if I see anyone participating and cheating in any forum competitions with multiple accounts, but I need to see evidence.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 23, 2024, 07:27:11 AM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 20, 2024, 05:09:41 AM

I have no problem as I said having an alt account but when joining contests, spreading manipulated lies just because you do not like someone with an alt account is abusing the opportunity of the freedom of speech. It's personal hate and cheating.

Didn't you also use altaccount when you tried to start a new casino review business that didn't work out, and it was later discovered this was owned by you?

It's casinocritiue and created for the project Casino Critique . Anyone can create alt, that's not the problem. The discussion here is that for example in pizza contest if I join from both Royse and Casino Critique than it's unfair. One person is taking two spots for the same competition.

The account CasinoCritque meant to be connected with my account although it's created for business use not personal purpose. Since this is not a personal account, anyone from the Casino Critique team can handle the account to do forum related tasks.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 20, 2024, 05:09:41 AM

I have no problem as I said having an alt account but when joining contests, spreading manipulated lies just because you do not like someone with an alt account is abusing the opportunity of the freedom of speech. It's personal hate and cheating.

Didn't you also use altaccount when you tried to start a new casino review business that didn't work out, and it was later discovered this was owned by you?

I am not blaming or protecting anyone but there is no rules that altaccounts can't be used in forum competitions (except for cheating with multiple submissions), or for starting a new business.
Even talking bad about other members they don't like is not forbidden, but nobody likes that chicken shit behavior.

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Quote from: PX-Z on August 22, 2024, 11:12:51 PM

Regardless if one of the users won or not, it is still cheating, period.

But with OP's issue sounds like personal and there's no proof of connection of the accused users, so i will leave it as it is.

I don’t think this was an outright reputation problem but, just an enquiry from OP on what are the standards for this sought of situation and how it ought to be handled.

What I would consider cheating however is having to apply on both accounts. At this point, it doesn’t matter if you were accepted or not, it’s cheating. You already leveraged 2 changes in a place where you ought to have got just one. It’s even worst when you apply from both accounts and one wins the prize. You get stripped of everything and tagged for that sought of behavior.

I play the FPL and over the course of last season, we had a user enrolling alts and both accounts won prizes. The judgment was straight, stripping them both from prized positions and let others fill the space. It’s what should be obtainable.

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Quote from: DiMarxist on August 22, 2024, 06:02:54 PM

If the two accounts were enrolled and and participated in the contest and one of them won the contest

Regardless if one of the users won or not, it is still cheating, period.

But with OP's issue sounds like personal and there's no proof of connection of the accused users, so i will leave it as it is.

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So I had to jump on this without having to read other users comments because, I want to be sole opinionated on this one. Since the take on alt accounts is that, it’s allowed, when it’s about as described in OP and quote,

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 17, 2024, 12:27:32 AM

I guess it's no doubt that airfinex is an alt account. Building an alt account is not against the forum but do we think it's justified that an obvious alt account is joining forum contests and even winning prizes?

The issue with alt accounts have been about the activities you use it for. Mainly, about the idea of cheating which can come in a couple of forms but, could be generally summed up to be, utilizing more than one opportunity where, your expected to have just a single chance per individual.

Should your alt be a representative of itself and you as a forum user, I don’t see much to argue about that. It’s still a chance per user. When you use both accounts to test your stars, there we have problems.

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If the two accounts were enrolled and and participated in the contest and one of them won the contest then it is cheating and it is not accepted. But if it is only the above stated account was used and the main account was not used then it is not cheating.
And even the alt, there is no evidence yet until proven to bring up the two accounts.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on August 21, 2024, 03:56:58 PM

But It still doesn't help if you don't know the main account it is linked to. The Person could still argue out that they only used their alt account in the competition and not the main account

Maybe he didn't want his main account to make submissions in contest?

Yes, this is the problem, if he is not discovered, no one will ask him why he is using an Alt account, but if he is discovered, we will return to the first question, why is he participating with an Alt account and not with the main account in the competition?

Just because he does not want to participate with his main account in the competition is not a convincing reason.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 19, 2024, 05:20:29 AM

-snip-

But It still doesn't help if you don't know the main account it is linked to. The Person could still argue out that they only used their alt account in the competition and not the main account

Maybe he didn't want his main account to make submissions in contest?

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 20, 2024, 05:09:41 AM

Freedom of speech does not also mean that an alt account reach out to the clients in PMs and do possibly everything to discourage them to work with you, tell them that working with you is a bad choice and all these manipulated stuffs to scare them.

I have no problem as I said having an alt account but when joining contests, spreading manipulated lies just because you do not like someone with an alt account is abusing the opportunity of the freedom of speech. It's personal hate and cheating.

Freedom of speech always has some limits, usually in the rights and freedoms of the other, but here we were not talking about this specific case, but about freedom of speech in general of the forum.

Quote from: nutildah on August 20, 2024, 06:00:22 AM

Yes. I do have proof: the fact that the operation of the forum is a de facto dictatorship.

So what you mean is that the owner of the forum should run it in a democratic way or something? As I see it, if a court summons arrives for something related to the forum it will reach him, so it is normal that he makes decisions as the owner of this company. And for example the trust system, although far from perfect, is so decentralized that it has allowed him to have a red tag in his profile.

Although I guess this is going off topic and would deserve another thread to be debated.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 20, 2024, 05:09:41 AM

I have no problem as I said having an alt account but when joining contests, spreading manipulated lies just because you do not like someone with an alt account is abusing the opportunity of the freedom of speech. It's personal hate and cheating.

Accordingly. Anyone can have an alt, but it shouldn't serve to defame others, especially if you don't have proof.

But unfortunately, you already know this, that when people just want to defame, they use an alt for that purpose. Unfortunately, little can be done about this.

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There's no "right to free speech" on this forum, whatsoever. We post here under the good grace of theymos, operating under the belief that any of this will continue to exist under his rulership.

Do you have any proof of what you say? I have the opposite impression, that here there is much more freedom of speech than in most internet sites, and I don't remember anyone being deleted comments or banned for expressing their ideas.

Yes. I do have proof: the fact that the operation of the forum is a de facto dictatorship. I'm not talking about comparing any site to any site, I'm talking about the way that things actually are. Yes, its true, theymos is more committed to a freedom-oriented forum than most others with his level of power might be, and IMO he's a great dictator.

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Quote from: joker_josue on August 20, 2024, 01:47:37 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on August 19, 2024, 10:10:43 PM

Quote from: nutildah on August 19, 2024, 08:02:18 PM

There's no "right to free speech" on this forum, whatsoever. We post here under the good grace of theymos, operating under the belief that any of this will continue to exist under his rulership.

Do you have any proof of what you say? I have the opposite impression, that here there is much more freedom of speech than in most internet sites, and I don't remember anyone being deleted comments or banned for expressing their ideas.

In fact, if there wasn't this so-called "freedom of expression", people wouldn't create these alt accounts, often to make meaningless observations. Roll Eyes

Now, having freedom of expression doesn't mean that people have to offend each other - although that sometimes happens here, and even then they aren't banned.

Therefore, I think there is good freedom of expression, as long as what is said or done does not cause direct harm (such as suffering from some scheme).

Freedom of speech does not also mean that an alt account reach out to the clients in PMs and do possibly everything to discourage them to work with you, tell them that working with you is a bad choice and all these manipulated stuffs to scare them.

I have no problem as I said having an alt account but when joining contests, spreading manipulated lies just because you do not like someone with an alt account is abusing the opportunity of the freedom of speech. It's personal hate and cheating.

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Quote from: Poker Player on August 19, 2024, 10:10:43 PM

Quote from: nutildah on August 19, 2024, 08:02:18 PM

There's no "right to free speech" on this forum, whatsoever. We post here under the good grace of theymos, operating under the belief that any of this will continue to exist under his rulership.

Do you have any proof of what you say? I have the opposite impression, that here there is much more freedom of speech than in most internet sites, and I don't remember anyone being deleted comments or banned for expressing their ideas.

In fact, if there wasn't this so-called "freedom of expression", people wouldn't create these alt accounts, often to make meaningless observations. Roll Eyes

Now, having freedom of expression doesn't mean that people have to offend each other - although that sometimes happens here, and even then they aren't banned.

Therefore, I think there is good freedom of expression, as long as what is said or done does not cause direct harm (such as suffering from some scheme).

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Quote from: nutildah on August 19, 2024, 08:02:18 PM

There's no "right to free speech" on this forum, whatsoever. We post here under the good grace of theymos, operating under the belief that any of this will continue to exist under his rulership.

Do you have any proof of what you say? I have the opposite impression, that here there is much more freedom of speech than in most internet sites, and I don't remember anyone being deleted comments or banned for expressing their ideas.

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 19, 2024, 07:30:36 AM

I don't think someone having two forum accounts entering into a contest is "cheating" by any reasonable defination.

1. Its 99% assured that the account in question is an alt account.
2. There's an unknown introduced by not knowing the main account of the alt account.
3. Its a problem for those tasked with giving away BTC who want to do it as fairly as possible.

Furthermore, I thought about it and

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 17, 2024, 07:50:30 PM

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

People often make alt accounts to just further their own, singular viewpoint, or to shill, spam, etc. I don't believe that manipulating the forum with alt accounts falls under the category of "free speech." Its dishonest, capitalizing on the goodwill of the community & shouldn't be tolerated.

There's no "right to free speech" on this forum, whatsoever. We post here under the good grace of theymos, operating under the belief that any of this will continue to exist under his rulership.

Do you think blacklisting an alt account from DT because of an obvious attempt to manipulate the system is also stifling free speech?

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 17, 2024, 12:10:46 PM

Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

I think the same but since it's not proven to have any case because I believe people who had case could be take to reputation, but here is just a kind of suggestions to be yet concluded and there is no case attached to it that true against the user.

I have read a few thread from the user in the past and all were accusations without any possible evidence and none of the thread he created really worth it or arrived at any positive conclusion that exposes those that he accused, also I think he was the one that created a thread calling stake signature participants of being all spammers, which lead to alot of comments in the last couple of month's ago.

From that thread I have place that user on my ignore list, at least if he is not breaking forum rules and having the right to be here, it is worth ignoring because he is going to be around for a while until his games are off I advice everyone to do same too if you fine the user offensive in his approach.

In my own view that account is created for a retaliation maybe his man account was ban or something happened to it which made the user to be very mad and create that account to attack those who attacked him and was giving him trouble, also don't be surprised he main account was kicked out from stake, so with the pain he could go ahead talking against stake for no reason but for his mistake. Just as you said he can be ignored that is all.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 19, 2024, 06:02:46 AM

People often make alt accounts to just further their own, singular viewpoint, or to shill, spam, etc. I don't believe that manipulating the forum with alt accounts falls under the category of "free speech." Its dishonest, capitalizing on the goodwill of the community & shouldn't be tolerated.

Simple! Regardless of what he's done already, there's definitely a way to know the truth - "see, the truth is like a lion, it fights for itself"
Just because he's doing it and not getting caught doesn't create the validations that he's doing the right thing..

Quote from: Quickseller on August 19, 2024, 07:30:36 AM

I also reviewed the OP more closely, and it does not even alledge that the person involved made multiple submissions in the contest. It merely says that someone is an alt of someone else.

what more of an allegation do you wanna see quicky?? Huh? Just like you said, it can never be more accurate than this; it is what it is.

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I think it is pretty ridiculous to suggest that someone should be disqualified from a contest by virtue of forum rules soley for the fact that they have more than one account. I don't think someone having two forum accounts entering into a contest is "cheating" by any reasonable defination.

...and why's quicky so rooted against the fact that this is SUPPOSED to be true??

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There are many instances like that where by you discover a newbie account or full member below but having a vast knowledge and idea about the forum like that of legendary member, this is to show us that its nothing than alt account, some will be willing to express their feelings but being scared of their reputation being jeopardized for saying some certain things, instead they will prefer creating an alt account to do do, but as in this scenario in particular, there is no connection of the same account with any other one, which means he may not be going against the rules unless proven to have done so, this is a nice observation though, and i think more eyes are going to concentrate on this same user than before if anything may fish out now or later.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on August 18, 2024, 09:14:40 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 17, 2024, 07:50:30 PM

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

oh c'monnn Quicky, this ain't even about free speech... Someone' has a maneuver to cheat in competitions and you're covering their ass?

As I mentioned, this thread is in meta, so it is specifically regarding forum rules, not rules of a contest.

I also reviewed the OP more closely, and it does not even alledge that the person involved made multiple submissions in the contest. It merely says that someone is an alt of someone else.

I think it is pretty ridiculous to suggest that someone should be disqualified from a contest by virtue of forum rules soley for the fact that they have more than one account. I don't think someone having two forum accounts entering into a contest is "cheating" by any reasonable defination.

I don't know who airfinex is, and frankly, I don't care. But the OP has not even made an alligation that he has done anything wrong.

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 17, 2024, 07:50:30 PM

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

People often make alt accounts to just further their own, singular viewpoint, or to shill, spam, etc. I don't believe that manipulating the forum with alt accounts falls under the category of "free speech." Its dishonest, capitalizing on the goodwill of the community & shouldn't be tolerated.

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In my opinion, I think that it is not permissible to allow alt accounts to participate in forum competitions and win prizes, even if they are allowed and do not violate the forum.

What would motivate a member to participate in a prize competition with an alt account? I mean, as long as his main account exists and does not have any problems or violations of the forum, why would he participate with the alt account? Most likely, there is either a problem with his main account or he wants to double his chances of winning, and this is considered cheating.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 17, 2024, 12:10:46 PM

Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

I think the same but since it's not proven to have any case because I believe people who had case could be take to reputation, but here is just a kind of suggestions to be yet concluded and there is no case attached to it that true against the user.

I have read a few thread from the user in the past and all were accusations without any possible evidence and none of the thread he created really worth it or arrived at any positive conclusion that exposes those that he accused, also I think he was the one that created a thread calling stake signature participants of being all spammers, which lead to alot of comments in the last couple of month's ago.

From that thread I have place that user on my ignore list, at least if he is not breaking forum rules and having the right to be here, it is worth ignoring because he is going to be around for a while until his games are off I advice everyone to do same too if you fine the user offensive in his approach.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 17, 2024, 12:27:32 AM

Awards like Bitcoin pizza day, community awards etc. Do we allow alt accounts to participate?

The forum does not have any rules regarding alt accounts. So, the contest organizer should create local rules for their award, giveaways, and contests. Participating in a competition with multiple accounts is forbidden, and this is written in most contest threads. Even if it's not written anywhere, the participants should know it's frowned upon. But your question was not that.

If the contest organizer does not want to allow alternative accounts, even known or suspected ones, they can do so. But there will be a lot of drama then. People will start fighting that I am not an alternative account, while some of them are obviously alt accounts. The whole point of my post is that the contest organizer has to set the rules.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on August 17, 2024, 05:50:05 AM

Maybe there are some coincidences? But yes, they always say that "if not caught, no crime," and he knows very well how to avoid being caught.

...and no crime? No prosecution! Meticulously playing his cards and hoping he doesn't get noticed.. I've never thought about that user to be an Alt - since, throughout the period when ratimov's case was a hot topic on the RP board, i wasn't really active.

Whatever happens, we dunno the user behind that account... We gotta watch out for any other steps, decisions, source of interest and activity; if we could tell his interest in contest and bounties as well, we could align the same with a user from the same LB..
Remember, this remains an allegation until it's ascertained.

Quote from: Quickseller on August 17, 2024, 07:50:30 PM

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

oh c'monnn Quicky, this ain't even about free speech... Someone' has a maneuver to cheat in competitions and you're covering their ass?

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There's high chance that airfinex is an alt account but so far there's no proof that it's actually an alt account or not. Because as a matter of fact, no one yet admitted that it's their alt account or no one yet found that whose alt account it could be.

I believe alt accounts are officially allowed on this forum but using alt accounts to participate in events multiple times isn't allowed. However, we don't yet know if he/she has participated in that awards from his original account.

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This thread is in meta, so I will answer from the perspecive of forum policy.

For any question about allowing alt accounts doing x, the answer is yes this is allowed. The only exception to this is when someone is banned, as the offical policy is to not create an alt account to evade a ban. In practice however, if you are evading a ban, and are not otherwise causing problems, you will most likely be ignored. The most profilic trolls and spammers will have more resources put into finding and banning any alt accounts when they are banned.

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 17, 2024, 12:10:46 PM

Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

I think the same but since it's not proven to have any case because I believe people who had case could be take to reputation, but here is just a kind of suggestions to be yet concluded and there is no case attached to it that true against the user.

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Pizza contest does not allow participants to make multiple submissions but you can't prove what was his other account or if he participated in this contest.
I don't see anything wrong with him winning something and having pizza icon in his profile.
If you have any proof of cheating post if here, if not than this is just personal stuff because you don't like each other.

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Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

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If it can be proven that the main account enrolled in the contest, they should be both be eliminated if the rules are against multiple applications. The contest manager can make a decision outside this based on their discretion.

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Yes it is, you know the forum's traffic keep declining and in order to protect the current traffic, the forum need to not be strict, that's why many plagiarist didn't get banned except they keep repeating the same mistake. Unlike in 2018-2019, if you only copy one sentence, you could get permanent banned.

We should not keep dishonest users on the forum to pump up traffic and I doubt the admin will take that approach to keep more users. Rule breakers reduce the quality of conversations and push out quality users.

If there is a drop in strictness it may be because some harsh judgements were meted out in the past.

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Is there by any chance a topic that lists all the alt accounts that have already been identified? I know that alt accounts are not prohibited, but it could be a useful list for those who manage some of these Activities within the forum.

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2024 Q2) [MODERATED] 🤨🔬

But most of the ones listed there are bounty hunters, and there are some cases where we don't know whose alts they are, as in this airfinex case. In other words, we have a thread but it does not help us to solve the problem posed by the OP.

It doesn't help, but it makes checking easier.
I thought of a topic, but in a list format and not a presentation of evidence. But, of course, I can't say someone is alt without proof.

Now we would compile this information. I saw that there was a file, but it hasn't been updated in over 2 years.

Oshio-man

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To me, using alt accounts to participate in such competition that is drawing many people attention to watch, what is happening in the forum and they discovered that there are many alt accounts in the competition, I think it will reduce the value of the forum, if there is a law or rule that allow alt accounts to participants in such forum awards, nothing wrong about that because the people that set up the rules and regulations that governed the forum knew that such thing will come up like this in this meta board.

JeromeTash

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Participating using alt accounts would be considered cheating, and if a few alt accounts were caught up in that mix, I am pretty sure the DT members would tag the accounts. The problem here is you haven't identified the alt account or main account of the culprit, and we can't even be sure if it also participated in the contest. So, the guy is "innocent" until proven guilty.

lovesmayfamilis

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You can check accounts that may be alternatives to airfinex. I think he belongs to the Russian local section, as several posts were written in Russian, and he also claims to be a native Russian speaker. Also, check who of the Russian speakers is currently participating in the signature companies. Maybe there are some coincidences? But yes, they always say that "if not caught, no crime," and he knows very well how to avoid being caught.

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Quote from: joker_josue on August 17, 2024, 02:54:21 AM

Is there by any chance a topic that lists all the alt accounts that have already been identified? I know that alt accounts are not prohibited, but it could be a useful list for those who manage some of these Activities within the forum.

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2024 Q2) [MODERATED] 🤨🔬

But most of the ones listed there are bounty hunters, and there are some cases where we don't know whose alts they are, as in this airfinex case. In other words, we have a thread but it does not help us to solve the problem posed by the OP.

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Quote from: Solosanz on August 17, 2024, 02:46:38 AM

Yes it is, you know the forum's traffic keep declining and in order to protect the current traffic, the forum need to not be strict, that's why many plagiarist didn't get banned except they keep repeating the same mistake. Unlike in 2018-2019, if you only copy one sentence, you could get permanent banned.

Traffic is declining, which I also believe is part of the reason why the moderators are being lenient with their judgement these days, but that doesn't mean all rule breakers can get the same judgement, as they might definitely want to abuse those privileges.

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The prize is given by administrator, someone who can access everything, so if they didn't bother about it, we can say it's allowed as long as they didn't get caught.

Since the forum is not against Altaccount only abusing, it is what the forum and its members don't consider likely. If the account in question only participated in the contest with one account, I don't think there is anything wrong with that unless it has been proven otherwise that both accounts are in the same contest, and until proven, the person will definitely be walking free.

joker_josue

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Without knowing who the alt is, it is difficult to take more specific measures. It will then be up to whoever manages the competitions and campaigns to decide whether to accept your participation or not.

Is there by any chance a topic that lists all the alt accounts that have already been identified? I know that alt accounts are not prohibited, but it could be a useful list for those who manage some of these Activities within the forum.

Solosanz

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Yes it is, you know the forum's traffic keep declining and in order to protect the current traffic, the forum need to not be strict, that's why many plagiarist didn't get banned except they keep repeating the same mistake. Unlike in 2018-2019, if you only copy one sentence, you could get permanent banned.

The prize is given by administrator, someone who can access everything, so if they didn't bother about it, we can say it's allowed as long as they didn't get caught.

Oshosondy

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If there is no prove, there is nothing that can be done. It can also be in the other way. Like he thinks of not using his main account for the contest and prefer to use his alt. I do not think this is worth discussing about than to notify the people that organized the contest so that they can know what to do. But I think they will also have nothing to do about it because nobody has evidences that he used his mean account for the contest

Poker Player

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The bad thing about this is that to be sure that he did something wrong, we should be able to prove that he also participated with his main account, which we have no idea who he is.

But it doesn't look good. For someone who is obviously an alt account, the fact that he participates in these kinds of contests makes us doubt that he also did it with his main account.

AB de Royse777

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Awards like Bitcoin pizza day, community awards etc. Do we allow alt accounts to participate?

This user airfinex is definitely an alt account which was created to to discuss about the plagiarism of a former merit source Ratimov. Everyone was supporting it and many can call it a success.

After his first successful assignment, he started asking questions against many forum members, started to create topics and almost all of the topics were an attempt to harm the reputation of the forum members. He twists information and presents to create a false sense in the readers mind.

Several topics:
Who controls Bestchange's account?
Is Theymos really a lauda?
Why does Foxpup only send negative feedback?
Moderator Xal0lex - Informal Plagiarist
Bithub.im, BestChange (Removal of reviews and disclaimer of financial obligati).
Linked accounts Ebede, GeorgeJohn * and what does JG have to do with it?
Cygan abuses DT - Proof!
Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

I guess it's no doubt that airfinex is an alt account. Building an alt account is not against the forum but do we think it's justified that an obvious alt account is joining forum contests and even winning prizes?

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