Topic: Do we still believe in anything? (Read 717 times)

The trouble is, we believe everything.     

Absolutely agreeee

For me human race is a bunch of lazy smart individuals, they will believe anything they're priest or pastor tell them but if you say that the floor is wet they need to double check or verify if its really wet. In this modern era all we care is ourselves, nobody is civil anymore that's why the world is so cruel and slowly with our greed and being self serving all of the earth's precious animals, plants, trees will perish.

I have not believed in anything for a long time. I'm just exploring myself. Plus, my intuition is well developed, so it helps me find the right path.

I've been asking the same question for this past few weeks.. everything in the world is just a 'concept' - 'mindset' - "copy of a copy of a copy of copy.." - everything is 'fiction' because i think there's only subjective truth, nothing is ever really objective as we all see differently even if we see it same. different eyes, different perspective, different interpretation..

"We worship immediacy"... I think is the answer to this question on its own.
In today's world, and this is largely due to the rise of social media and cell phones in particular. What we worship now is instant gratification, whether consciously or not. 
Here lies this issue... as most of us are looking for speed, we want everything and we want it NOW. But with that comes a cost, like you said, we no longer "believe" in politics. This is mainly due to the media, and their push to meet this new consumer need of instant gratification. As a result, the media will push out anything they can, as long as it is fast and it grabs attention. We no longer believe in or value truth over speed, and news media knows that. It does not matter whether they are right or wrong, they will race to be the first to get it out there, because attention for them, no matter good or bad attention, means profit.

In my opinion, our generation or the next will start to come full circle. As the new age takes over, we are losing things such as interpersonal connections, privacy, etc. We will begin to cherish these things more and more until the things we worshiped in the past are what will be sought out for in the future.

For example, as technology has advanced, populations in most developed countries no longer have to think about where their next glass of water comes from. Water is easily accessible, and as a result, begins to lose value. However, as we know, water is finite, and it won't be until we realize we are running out that we will begin to cherish it again. in fact, it is popular opinion that the next world war will be waged over water!
The Netflix series "Explained" has a great episode covering the water crisis and covers this point well. 

Except in great pain or great joy. When one has great pain or great joy, his beliefs are shown to be something different than what he would have suggested that he believed before.

How are you sure that science provide you the accurate results they should?
Science can be manipulated as well due to the fact that ordinary people cannot make tests and experiments. You get what scientists give you.
Similar to religions.

Let me take the discussion to some broader context. I think that all the concepts which we use in our life to explain or describe anything are based on beliefs. And it doesn't matter whether we are talking about scientific, religious or social issues. All the concepts we operate with are just beliefs. There is only one thing we can be certain about and that is: "I" exist. The rest are just phenomena in the field of "I": thoughts, conceptions, ideas, etc.
So the answer to the first question "Do we still believe in anything?" is: "We believe in everything".

I still believe that man is inherently good. The different circumstances and situations in earth make a man do everything even bad things in order to survive. Nevertheless, we could still believe that anyone could change 

Me neither. It's difficult to advocate spending billions of dollars on space programmes when there are billions of poverty-stricken people on Earth, starving, suffering and dying from curable diseases.
One positive for space travel is if we can establish a self-sustaining colony somewhere, moon or Mars, then we have at least improved the chance of survival of our species - a meteor strike or nuclear war would no longer wipe out everyone.

When you are no longer pressed living for survival, you can start wondering about "beyond the immediate" issues.

You know it would be real nice if some superior sentience did in fact provoked evolution by placing a monolith :3

To become space faring, one would argue the world issues would be solved. Most popular sci-fi shows present earth "unified" (and even the aliens, they seldom stop and thing an alien world with sentience would have several countries and contradicting positions).

But it makes sense that we would need to overcome our differences, somehow, for true advancement. This is what happened in the very early history of humanity in the modern day Iraq region with the city states that formed after the constant flooding forced the people to cooperate building canals and whatnot.

But then the materialistic will tell you, life is too short to think about things you will never experience. We won't be here to see the last bitcoin minted, for example, who knows of an archive of this forum remains for future generations.

Can you overcome your immediate needs? One thing that Austrian economics teach, is that if someone is willing to, say, forego their immediate needs of working to earn a salary to eat everyday, in order to study or make something that later would easy his living, then this person will live much better later after the sacrifice than not sacrificing and remain living the same as always.

So if you catch a fish with your hands everyday, painfully and slowly, but one day you stop and think and invent a fishing rod, then later your fishing will be much easier and you may even get time for "new" things.

Some people say this space exploration stuff is nonsense when there are so many world problems to solve, for example. Why do it?

I don't have the answer for who is right and who is wrong. Perhaps exploration will bring a discovery that will benefit us all as a whole, or perhaps not. Research is like that, regardless. You can spend countless resources funding projects that end in nothing, but was it better than redirecting all those resources and feed the poor? What if you do find, say cure for Cancer or such?

Well i believe in science but in terms of religion, i do believe there is a God but i don't to practice what they are doing since religion makes people go crazy to the extent of disowning your own son/daughter for the sake of religion disrespecting others to make it simple they hypocrites. They are anti-vaxxers and full pledged flat earthers who believe that earth was built 6000 years ago and vaccines are poison...

We choose our beliefs but because of our environment we have see or think in a good way as we think because we have different perspective in life.

If our environment was good then we can still have a good beliefs and believe on how or when do believe our community.

Reason;
You could choose to believe in anyone or not. Humans have worship one or all over the years. While some choose to believe they aren’t worth their esteem.

Have you ever heard of the Roaring Twenties? People in the USA became bad people. There was all kinds of sexual sin, just like today. There was all kinds of murder - Bonnie and Clyde (into the '30s). People were becoming bad, and they were becoming irreligious, and against God.

Then we got mixed up in WWII. People went off to war and died. Their families turned back to God, became religious again, and prayed for peace like crazy. The Allies won the war. People thanked God. And ever since, the people have been turning bad again.

This time people are becoming so bad that they have killed of millions of babies through abortion. We are essentially murdering each other right in America. And abortion still reigns.

Personally, I think that we might be past the point of return with God. He might have destruction set in America's path. He might only be delaying it for the sake of the few godly people that are left. But when the Godly are gone or protected, God is going to let America feel the full blast of His anger for all the evil they have done.

What's the next monolith we will kneel before in the future? We need to destroy all monoliths. You mentioned Nietzsche, always one of the most perceptive thinkers: "Freedom is the will to be responsible for ourselves."

The old certainties of religion are fading. The newer certainties of belonging to a particular social class / nation / ethnic identity are blurring and fading. The world is becoming more global, and more fluid. Politicians are revealed as liars, we can't trust them. It is incumbent on us as individuals to be that: individuals. The established rules and consensus are slewing away. We must each make our own decisions. Fundamentally, we must each take responsibility for our own actions (or inaction).

Do we still believe in anything? I think this question is both a challenge and a source of inspiration.

Why would you think those are beliefs? Aren't they knowledge, especially after having been around so long, like you said?

You fail to mention a few beliefs we have in common with humans from past centuries.
Money
Leaders
Love

These have been here before our generation existed. And To answer your question, these beliefs would be stronger in every coming generation. It’s a constant, doesn’t change but gets stronger. I guess it runs in the genes. This is one of those times I wished I was a scientist, and could prove this.

the monolith of most people here is money, or bitcoin Well, things have not changed much, technology advances but humans are narcissistic, love their own creations, do not evolve morally, it is a pity.

BTW I'm pretty sure that sun and rain exist

Yes? Anything that can be proven with evidence or scientific explanation. However, people are fooled by others using their belief. People with knowledge uses it as their advantage to take control of the less educated.

One thing I hardly believe is the church. I believe that we have one God but no, not the church.

^^^ Trouble is, if we finally find that our belief is what really exists, we just might be so close to death by that time, that we won't be able to formulate a new belief that is more in line with reality.

We still believe in anything but the fact that believing all the time can be a disadvantage too, we can be easily brainwashed like what we are on right now, the media are brainwashing us telling the lie instead of truth but some of us we believe without looking to much deeper on the story itself, to be easily understand is we tend to judge without looking at the context of it.

As of now we still believe in anything not just anything but everything.

Like technically as of now do you think you still believe in anything? I conclude that we have our own belief, and as human that has different perspective, we all do have different believe too.

Yes theres so many things we should believe first believe in God.
Believe of whats God created.
Believe in people.
Believe in everything that exist.
Why we should believe in anything?
This is because this is our life,in life should have belief.
Believe in God so He will help us.
Believe in people so theres some one can help us in facing our problem.
Believe in everything that exist because this is what we see.what you see is what you get.
Yes I do believe in anything.

This is what we called maturity when people move along the time,never live in the past but seeking things in the future that may generate new developments

I will not stop being an Ape(as what science says about human evolution )

We can’t stop the improvements mate just accept that fact and respect what people wants as long as this don’t affect your life nor brings bad to you

But I totally agreed that people must not kneeling to anything they want as this is not the basic way life should be,we are human and we are the highest form of living things and must not kneel like that

I believe that these distinctions you make are not realistically related as causative factors to the effects you attribute to them.

Hence the conclusions are invalid.

Some don't believe while some also do, some just don't care and just do their own business, do whatever makes them happy and forget the sufferings they are experiencing. I am a positive thinker and I still do believe that though this world is full of everything bad, like sufferings, hunger, pain, sickness, poverty and a lot more, everything will still be bearable and while others are drowning in discontentment being content will still make things more easy. What will be the next thing people will kneel before in the future? Money? Self and achievements?

This looks a very tough question. I think in today's world almost everyone is not following what actually we believe. We believe in many qualities that should be part of our character but instead we are modifying/breaking them as per our convenience.

Religion, in most cases is turned into the non taxable business again used for our convenience.
 

Well human beings naturally like to believe that they are a part of something greater and big. That life isn’t completely futile and its full of purposes. We mostly crave for explanation. Especially with the exposure to science and critical thinking, people might stop trusting their intuitions, religion or worst soon)

A currency does not have to have a paper asserting it is approved by a particular government. I think it's the assumption that a currency needs to be government backed that drives this belief.

During the pope revolution catholic church replaced the extended family with a nuclear family. So they literally destroyed the previous family institution.
The reason was simple - greed. Many years ago in case of widow's death (for example if her husband dies in the war) without any other relatives, the church by default inherited all her property. That was the main source of income for the church. And the problem was that with an extended family there was a huge amount of different heirs that could get everything. So that was the reason to destroy the family many years ago.

Catholic Churches weren't destroying the families. They were the one who have given value to family. If there is no catholic churches around surely the families could've never been strong as now and it is quite hard to see a family relation. Everyone will lead a life having sex with whom they wish and making child's suffer throughout their lives.

The West has been a materialist culture for a long time, at least since the Industrial Age.
It's time to reverse course. Go back to our traditionalist past.

How can it still be the same when the earth and the water is becoming polluted?
And about family value it all depends on each person on what they would think about.
But honestly everything is becoming worst as time past by.

We are losing all interests we had and wich made us be called as "humans". We only care about power, influence, money, and forget, and internet and TV is helping us to quickly accept it.

I do not believe most of the things in the Society. like I do not believe in god or religion its just for you guys. I do not have any problem with anyone having a belief in god or religion. I do not believe in the future I know there is something going to happen but I do not care about it. I just do whatever I want to do or anything I need but I do not do anything by focusing on the future. I do not study because I have to get a job or anything.

There are still people who belive in something nowadays but different people believe in different things. We can also see people who believe now in nature, gods and people themself. People are too much different to tell everybody believe only in things

Yes, you're absolutely right here.
We became strong individualists and selfish people without the desire to help others.
What people believe today?
Just in yourself.
I think that society, schools and religious communities have failed to fulfill their responsibility in educating young people.
In society, only personal success and money are emphasized and everything else becomes irrelevant.
We need a moral revolution in society and sustainable development.

This is really a good topic not to discuss about.
None of us are going to make it. Even if we found some other planets to live on, sooner or later all of humanity would cease to exist.
Personally, most of us would die without achieving any fame or recognition.
So ultimately it's just the family and self-satisfaction that matters.
Your personal choice matters. Whether you wan't to destroy the matrix or live with it.

No we are like the nihilists from the big lebowski we believe in nothing

Human beings are going to realize in future that consciousness is the level that we would attain to have Peace,  love,  present and compassionate.  The subconscious which control about 99% of human decision on earth has created more war,  hate,  individuality and depression than any other things in human history and if we can attain the continue level of consciousness we would live in heaven on earth.  I think this will be the next big thing of discovery.

I think that modern society and especially millenials are lazy to try and find something to believe at.
We care about other things that are more important, such as valuable moments with family spending some free time with our relatives etc, things that we miss due to the hectic pace of live that we live at.

Being an open-minded person is not a bad thing. Respecting each and every belief the people has is actually a great thing. In this generation, questioning the religions are often happening as the people are starting to be enlightened with the things. Honestly, it is really easy to identify hypocrisy and fakes news these days. People now have the chance to decide which thing are they will be giving their beliefs.

I personally a person who is open-minded. Tell me about something and I will hear it. Your beliefs will never influence mine as if I will let you. A lot of things in history, I see as lies and made stories. But, I would just let them do what they want and I will focus on my own business and find my true happiness using respect!

I guess that Human Rights are playing the role of religion. Unfortunately, as all natural rights it does not exists. So it is also the same situation as we see with religion.

Does anyone stealing the water from the earth and bringing it somewhere to mars? I thought it is still here.
The Catholic church has been destroying family for ages. Maybe family is still a strong value in some muslim countries.

While this mordem society it's shifting view. Where is more important right (for the masses) on how it's their outfit in Instagram or Facebook. Males/Females care now of how they looking for others and not for themselves. People now to tend to do stuff just to seek pleasure. One as an individual has to fight this back and point out their look. Family always been the core. But also there are destroy families. Which doesn't help at all the individual to prosper for itself. We have to seek on the animals. We have to learn from them. The instic. They do just what they should, and not what they want to do like humans so.

Through History, we have believed in different stuff. The Sun. The Rain. The market. We already overcame Nietzsche, Palahniuk and Fukuyama. Nowadays we CARE about stuff. We worship immediacy. And religion is still a big part of the human experience but beyond that, do we care about anything else outside the reach of our fingertips?

Most people don´t even take a glimpse at the bigger issues. What about the water and the Earth? Is family still such a strong value? We don´t believe in society or politics either. What´s the next monolith we will kneel before in the future?