Topic: Do you agree that big winners should donate to addiction support programs? (Read 312 times)

What kind of statements and questions are these..?

In my opinion, hhe government must be responsible for this matter. They collect huge taxes every year from casinos so they should also allocate some money to addiction support programs. Gamblers and casinos do play their part but, ultimately, the responsibility is of the government who benefits from the industry via these very taxes.

The government has a bigger role to play because they regulate the gambling industry and profit significantly from the taxes it generates. If they decide to allow gambling to operate legally, then they should also be held accountable for the negative impacts, including addiction. They can make sure that society is protected by using tax revenues from casinos to fund addiction support programs without putting the onus on individual winners or the casinos themselves. It is also much fairer since the government has more resources and can run these programs in an effective manner.

Im not fully sold that this is the best way to go.  Sure, gambling can result in compulsive behaviors for some folks.  But should we really put the onus on those who happen to win big?  Forcing donations sorta penalizes them, even if meant to help.   Maybe it would work better if the casino bosses and bookies kicked some of their profits into helping gambling addicts instead of putting it on the players.

It shouldn’t be called a responsibility for people who win. It is like saying that it is an obligation for people who win to donate to the people who Cannot control themselves with their addiction. I think the people who are addicted should be controlling themselves, and if they show promise, then they would and could be helped by the organization that facilitates that donation program.

It’s not a good idea, and it shouldn’t be required, in my opinion. It just doesn’t make sense. I haven’t seen one, though.

Why should casino deduct money from my winning to support a programme that their own activities caused, because there won't be gambling addict's if there is no casino in the first place, so for that the casinos should take it as a form of community support, because to set aside a certain amount from gamblers own money won't go down well with many gamblers even myself I won't allow that to happen on my winning and the reason is that gambler are at the receiving end and at that should be spared such demands.

Because when the gambler stake a bet and he loses, he is made to face the outcome alone without any form of compensation and unlike is this case where he the gambler is subjected to  deduction which will not go down well with the gambler who made such lose before winning a bit.

I disagree with that. It is not vital to donate when you know it wasn't that easy for you to gamble and win Big. Winning Big is like a one time opportunity and it is not a continuous process. So it is better each gambler that got so lucky to win big i gambling should make good use of their wins. If not they will go back to the same financial level they had been before they won big. Apart from gambling ther are better ways to make money in life since they have the capital. They should invest and do business, when they get rich finally then they can support the needy.

If every winner is required to pay or give any amount of their winnings I think it is more like a winnings tax. LOL
And I agree more about giving education or advice to many other gamblers from a winner on how they can gamble responsibly and not be careless in managing money, it is much more useful than accepting money from the winner, because I am pretty sure those who accept the money will play again in the casino and of course will return to the casino again and again.

I think you are sectorizing the idea in the betting field for obvious reasons, but it happens in different areas of income, artists of the seventh art are seen with donations and generally they are not related to entertainment, it is something that they decided for myself, there are many who help through acting scholarships, etc. But it is not the average...

I know several professional players who support foundations and donate part of their money to different charitable foundations, some even have their, but directing them to the sector of the sick-gambler, etc. is optional.

^{Your context seems to me to be something from another board more than essentially betting, it is the same as always, not because we talk about sick compulsive gamblers should it go on this board.}

Of course it is not their responsibility, but if they want to do it without coercion, it is much better. But on the one hand I am not really sure that most gamblers who win big are willing to donate a small portion of their winnings. The reason is that sometimes those who get big wins always think that their losses are greater than their winnings and usually they will spend their money again to bet without thinking about anything else other than gambling. So gamblers who get big wins will not care about other things that are beyond their responsibility. Except for very rich gamblers.

Let's say the casino will deduct at least a few bucks from your winning bets for the gambling addiction program, would it be okay with you?

There could be some of us who might just think it is fine but for people who have lost more than their jobs pay after gambling and they win once every 5 bets. I'm not sure if this notion will be accepted.  It's not their obligation to donate but it would be good if gamblers do it freely.

Donating a small part of their wins shouldn't be a big deal if they are willing to do that, this is a lucrative program that should be sponsored by those who are capable of doing such because it's going to be of help to a lot of people out there. Out of the population of people that commits suicide In the world there's a small percentage of those that killed themselves as a result of gambling addiction. Personally I think it's very vital to do this but I don't think it's anybody's responsibility, people should be responsible for themselves

It's not their responsibility and also, really, donation means something one does because he wants to, where "should donate" is more like something (en)forced.
Normally it's an indirect (!!) responsibility of the gambling companies. But, again, it's indirect: they have to pay their taxes and the govt will use parts of that money for addiction support programs.
This way all gambling companies contribute equally proportionally.
But again, it's tax, not donation. If one makes donation, it should really be based on his choice and willingness, hence none of your (or my!) business...



PS. Maybe you meant some sort of sponsorship, but that is also not OK; it would be funny (in a sad way) to find advertising and banners to casinos in gambling addiction support related buildings.

To me this just like putting Oil into fire, because it will become a cycle that round about, once the donation becomes a hobby, and on a constant bases, it may lead toe donator to possible addictions, which means, after contributing into fighting addictions in others, them their self become addicted along the line, so for sure while we look at the advantages and good aspects of winning donation, to fight addictions, we should also pay attention to the negative aspects of it if it becomes too much.


If it just out of charity then not only gambler that should donate their winning to support addiction fight, and also we need to know what the addictions programme all about and which method their are using to help gambling addicts get over it in no time, instead of just giving out money to some random programme that may lack basic direction that can effectively help the addict.
 

My money, my rules, I like to plan for it and use it as I like. Fine, you have a point that the donation towards programs sensitizing/reducing addiction is good but you should also know that this is a kind gesture and must be voluntary rather than make people feel as if it is a compulsion. Philanthropism is everybody's business be it gamblers or any other work and it should be done with a free mind. Nevertheless, the program records more funds when they market it or make people feel the need to donate but it shouldn't be targeted to gamblers as it makes me feel as if it's a kind of tax I am obliged to pay for being lucky. This is not supposed to be so, what if I lose? Winning is not absolute in gambling and if one does not plan well for it such might regret when they lose.

You have answered your own question, so i don't need to answer it again. regarding the title of this thread, agree or disagree the core issue is not that. but rather, are you willing to donate the proceeds of your winnings for the support of the addiction program that you initiated. for example, you have lost a lot of money on your gambling. at some point, you win from your bet whether big or small. back to your question, are you willing to donate it according to your idea. for me, the matter of donating whatever the motive is has a very noble value. it's just that, very few people do it. especially for gamblers. unless, you get a big jackpot from the lottery draw. btw, sometimes the good intentions that we do do not reach the right target. for example, the donation funds collected have the potential to be used by irresponsible people. personally, if I want to do something that is social and a moral obligation, I prefer to do it right on target. for example, people in our environment who really need it.

Like you have outlined above, the gambler should be able to do whatever they want to do with their money since no one ever compensates them for their own losses, but if they are generous enough, there are means for them to give back to the community, not just by continuing to raise gambling addiction awareness and the rest of that.
 
If all gamblers are donating a specific amount of money to fight addiction, then that addiction fighting will turn into a major business for one person, and there will be a whole lot of money flowing in their. 

It is obvious this is not their responsibility and they are under no obligation to donate any money if they do not want to do it, casinos on the other hand not only pay a lot of taxes to counter those effects but they also donate money to charities specialized on dealing with those issues, so this is already being done, the ones that are failing at this are the addicted gamblers themselves, as many of them do not want to admit they are addicted, since doing so will be the same as admitting they have been wrong for years while their friends and families were right about everything.

No winner is under any form of obligation to donate part of his winning to support a careless gambler. If they must offer any form of assistance, it will be better if the big winners create a platform where they educate the reckless ones on how to gamble responsibly and still win big in the industry and all this is not mandatory on any of these winners. Donating to them is like encouraging them to misbehave because there are friends, families and even strangers available always to come to the rescue. I think a gambling addiction program like this one you said above is not neccessary.

Donating to these type of programs isn't mandatory. Yes, it's good, but in the end, it's up to the gambler who won if he wants to donate some of his winnings to them or not.

It's a good idea, but it will depend on the situation. A gambler who lost a huge amount of money before winning that jackpot might not donate because he just recovered his money. A gambler who won huge money with only a few bucks of money spent might donate some. I don't disagree with the idea of donating, but it's not that common especially if you've lost a lot of money into gambling already which most of the gamblers are experiencing. You said it already that they have the freedom to use those money that they won and isn't obligated to donate.

As for me, they should donate, but not obligated to do if they don't want to.

Do you know that in/directly you encouraging gambling addictions and could lead to worse cases out there. Anyway it's a good suggestions but I will say that to me we shouldn't let this out because it's bad thing instead I will suggest for charity like the orphanage, also the less-privilege such as the homeless and to those who needs food. Yes, I know it's not compulsion that one must do that but let it be at willingness or when they are touched to do that then they may decides to give some part to those people other than instigation to them.

I am more in favor of allowing people to do whatever they desire with their money, to be honest...
Besides, there are already many countries in which money earned from gambling is taxable. That what taxes are for, you know, so people in a collective way can take care of the needs of society one of those needs is looking after those suffering from severe addictions, addiction to drugs, addiction to gambling, among other kinds of addictions.
It would be quite unpopular among gamblers if governments of countries forced lucky gamblers to spend part of their money on something they do not want to.
I am still in favor of universal access to mental health care, though, money gotta come from somewhere, the issue is defining the source of money and making sure the most of the population which pays taxes agrees on that policy. It is a tricky thing.

The winner is free to do anything with his money, it is a donation and anyone can donate without any coercion.
It's just about caring, wanting to donate is certainly good and otherwise it won't be a problem and must be appreciated.

Gambling addicts do need rehabilitation costs in order to recover and the planned donation will certainly reduce their cost burden.
But of course preventing addiction is a better thing, so there will be no more addiction.

This is funny because I believe that there are addicted gamblers who win big and finally lose it back to the casino. How do you think that such addicted gambler after winning big will have the courage to donate to his fellow addicted gambler. From my own point of view if a small portion from your big win is donated to an addicted, don't you think that you are encouraging other gamblers to become addicted in order for them to receive donations. If I may ask, what do you think these addicted gamblers will do to the money donated to them, they will gamble with it and lose it all to the casino since they cannot control themselves.

It is fine if gamblers decide not to support any gambling addiction programs, it is not as if they will be cursed and start losing money and this won't make those contributing to the program to make more money either, this must be a matter of decision making, let the gamblers decide this themselves.

Let's not forget that gamblers already make their decisions when they are about to start gambling, if you are reckless you will see the result and if you are responsible with your gambling you will also get the results, as for me I can only help if I see any reason to do so, the situation must be very bad for the addicts for me to help.

You can call me names for being wicked but gambling addiction is something you dragged yourself into, no one else but yourself, you let your greed get the best of you, gambling is dangerous, everyone knows this and you must always have this in mind before you decide to be a gambler, the first and last priority of every gambler is becoming a responsible gambler.

If it comes down to it, then the consequences of any created problem should be solved by those who create this problem. I am of the opinion that the casino should make the donation, not other (lucky) gamblers. And even better, if each gambler would be forced to deduct part of the money (as a tax) from bets to a fund to help future gambling addicts, because he himself can at any time become one of these people. Why should others pay for his "entertainment" - let him start saving from his first bet for future treatment.

Did those big winners promote gambling addiction in any way? Or did they advice any gambler to be addicted? I am not saying it's bad to do so, but it should be at self will and not a must. It's the duty of every gambling to maintain a healthy and responsibile gambling lifestyle, any individual that chooses irresponsible gambling lifestyle should take responsibility for themselves.

If they want to. It's not something people should be forced to do so. It's pretty similar to how people want rich people to pay more taxes or something and while I get the idea yeah that it could help in general, the setup isn't just made properly for it. Not to mention that it doesn't even guarantee that the support programs will actually be able to help people. If we were going to force people to pay up when they win, might as well use it for money that's actually guaranteed to be useful no?

Anything that's about "donating" should always 100% be of free will of the person donating. Anything forced is just, well, forced.

Actually, it is not that fault that those gamblers are addicted to gambling, but helping them by donating some funds to them is nothing bad. It is by choice and it's not a must that they should donate to them at all.
However, it's not their responsibility to give them some money out of them money that they have won from their bets, if we want to talk about people that are supposed to help the addicted gamblers we should be focusing on the casino because the casino are the people that collect from them legally. Besides when the addicted gamblers win the casino lose, but when the casino wins the gamblers loses.

Well, if gamblers does support the addicts with such programs by donating some portion of their winnings then that's a good thing but if they don't donate any money to such programs then no one can call them selfish or greedy.

I believe philanthropists are the ones who might consider supporting such programs by donating some money to those, and I believe some gamblers can also be philanthropists.

Absolutely NO! This is not their matter. Anyone should be free and decide how to spend money.
If they will be forced to donate part of the wins (even if trivial amount) it would be just something sad.

I can understand a voluntary charity, but there are many many good causes that deserve direct support not only related gambling.

This is entirely funny like a gambler that got a bi win should donate some funds for addiction support programs? Like who does that isn't it same money each and every gambler uses to gamble and then the ones that are not lucky enough lose while the lucky ones win. Seriously I don't see any reason than any big winners should do such.

What makes you think so, possibly you think the big winners are comfortable with gambling just to get wins, I think every gambler should fight for himself before ever which you start gambling know what's it's all about and don't forget to always gamble with money you can afford to lose and definitely you won't be at loss or regrets when you eventually lose. And yes everyone is at Liberty to do what they like ad regarding their money so I know for sure that it's just 1% that would do such meanwhile y'all know what it takes to be addicted to gambling so it's better to limit it thsn look for someone else to intercede for your addiction or loss.

You already answered the question with your second gesture because it's impossible for me to pay for someone else voluntary behaviour. how can you put your hands into the fire and expect me to use my little wins to pay for your bad behaviour? it's a big NO for me, I wouldn't even pay a dime for anyone of such.

@Op if you have a casino or gambling ground and you plan on implementing this idea that big winners will be taxed for addiction support program, you're just step from crashing the business because a lot of customers would turn away from you for just that single reason.

Gambling is addictive we all know so anyone in this present day that warnings are becoming the colours of casinos for gamblers not to get addicted or for gamblers to take responsibility of their life, anyone who fails to take those warns shouldn't expect to be helped by for any reason expect by volunteers.

Should definition:
Now, you have a situation where you want to obligate or coerce someone into donating, you might as well call it tax and put a 1% on every win, it will be just as much of a donation as the other one!

A donation is voluntary, you can't discuss what people "should" do with voluntary stuff! 

The only way I see this ever happening and working would be if those donations would be considered tax credits on full value, but I doubt any government would want to create another tax loophole, especially one related to gambling!

Is the government cutting taxes isn't enough? Do you want players to give more?

I guess it's better if the government takes the rewards and lets me keep the tax money only.

Donation is done voluntarily not by forcing anyone through guilt, we already pay taxes to our government for the development of the society and I am sure they already have more than enough if they stop financing wars.

No. Donation is something that should be done voluntarily and it’s odd to apply it to someone that involves in gambling since all gamblers surely suffer losses too before they win that huge amount.

If gambler will do real time calculation I’m sure most of us will still at loss or just breakeven even if they win huge amount.

I agree that donation can be considered but not a mandatory or customary. Rich people should be doing and not people from gambling.

Addiction is a risk of gambling and all gamblers are at risk of becoming addicted, however, addiction is not inevitable, a gambler can avoid becoming addicted by gambling responsibly and keeping themselves in control. So back to your question, I don't think a gambling winner needs to donate their money to an addiction support program because they have no responsibility to anyone else - addiction is a risk that all gamblers have and gamblers who gamble already know for sure that they are responsible for themselves, and no one else has responsibility for that, because it is their own decision to gamble. However, if a gambling winner has good intentions to donate their money to the program, that is actually very good, but making it a requirement for all gambling winners is not necessary.

I disagree because the responsibility for gambling addicts should be placed on the gambling business owners, they do not just get operating permits, therefore it is only right that the gambling business owners are the ones who are burdened, not the gambling winners.

In my country there are millions of citizens who are addicted to online gambling, to be honest I am sad about the number while our government has made no move to reduce the number.

Well I believe donation's aren't really an obligation but a volunteering act so placing the action to gambling like there are somehow entitled to do so is not really cool and I believe if the gamblers deem it fit to donate to the cause then it fine but really not something that's pinned to anyone and besides their winnings is their winnings and the casino really didn't hand it free to them so they deserve to do with whatever they feel.

I once gave money or donated to a friend for his rehabilitation, and this is from my winning. I did that because he's my friend, and he did help me when I was in need, but its not obligatory, and its based on a winner's decision if he will donate to strangers.

You will not become a charity institution if you become a winner in gambling. You should be picky on who will share your earnings, and it should be your immediate family, or an additional allowance or savings for paying bills and groceries.

The word "should" is not suitable for charity. It is always a voluntary donation. I agree to help those in need, but I do not agree to help those who have voluntarily driven themselves into a gambling pit. This is not oncology, which occurs by chance; addicted players consistently kill themselves, not wanting to listen to those who are next to them and to any warnings about the measure of games.

Therefore, I do not see the need to oblige people who win a big prize to help those who have not yet received such luck. I always say that gambling should be used as entertainment; if people do not agree and think that someone is obliged to give them a prize as their main income, then let them cure themselves of their delusion.

I would rather donate money to children in Third World countries or those who need emergency medical care.

if gambling winners are to donate part of the money they've won for the addicted gamblers or to support thier program, what then should gambling company do? As long as you're a gambler, there is always a point In time when you've approached the range of being addicted and it's never the responsibility of a fellow gambler to bring out part of his winning for whatever programe you're doing that's to help you come out of your addiction. If you're a member of the forun And regardless of all the advice you're getting from the forum you still get addicted and gambled recklessly, you're definitely on your own.

We've painted gambling addiction as though it's something that any one is more responsible for other than yourself and that's for me not a good one. Your the first brunt bearer of whatever action you've taken and when it's time to face the repaculsion that comes from taking such an action, you should be ready to bear the consequences of your action. On all gambling site you're advice to gambling responsibly and if you're searching out for podcast and messages that informs you on ways of gambling responsibly, there are more than a thousand and one messages available for grab. If you're waiting for the little win I get after I have lost a dozen of time during gambling, you're definitely a joking.

It is clearly not their responsibility, involvement in gambling is about each person and there is no relationship or obligation between you and others, in the sense that even if you manage to win a very big win, of course it is your own right, which means you are free to use the money for anything. What is mandatory is to be responsible for yourself, but I also do not forbid you if you do not mind donating a little of your winnings to a support program to overcome addiction problems, but what is certain is that there is no coercion at all.

The problem of addiction experienced by someone is caused by themselves who are wrong in treating gambling, and I am sure people will think like this, meaning it is very small to feel too concerned with anything experienced by others if you are not included in one of the causes of the decline experienced by others.

Who are the big winners other than the casinos? do there send out some donations to support gambling-freaks? In fact, players only do with their money whatever they desire, so if it's cool for a winner to give to charity it's not something to remind them of doing.

No, they should do whatever they want with their profit, it wasn't free for them to get that win, they risked their capital, and if they lost the money no one would help them because it was their decision to take the risk.

A better question is, should addiction support programs help gamblers when they lose all their money? You could think they shouldn't because it was the decision of the gambler to lose their money, so, both of them are in their own boat. The gambler doesn't owe anything to the support programs while the programs doesn't owe anything to the gambler.

No, why does people do that? Its not their obligation to save the asses of those addicted gamblers. They have their own mind to decide on what to do and also on how they can avoid the addiction.

If they came into that situation then that means they careless and greedy enough that's why they experience the worst complication on the activity they choose. The people who could able to help them is not their family and they should not rely on other people's help since they need to deal with those things what happen to them. I also don't think any need for doing this kind of donation stuff to gamblers and I will be more happy if I will donate my winnings to feed children's on street rather than using it for unnecessary situations.

You're right this is pure guilt-tripping, and no gambler should fall for that. Gambling is a personal race, when you win it's on you and the same thing happens when you lose. Every gambler struggles for the funds or capital used in gambling, and they choose to stake a certain amount to win big, it is no criterion that someone who won big should give out part of his winnings to people in addiction in the name of donation. Its look like a one-sided thing, when they win, they donate to people who loss and when they loss no one helps them out. Everybody should carry their cross and responsibility, any form of donation should be avoided. If i win big i won't donate anything.

I think it's a thoughtful idea for big gambling winners to consider donating a portion of their winnings to addiction support programs. While gambling can be a fun pastime for many, it's important to remember that it can also lead to addiction and have serious consequences. By contributing to programs that help those struggling with addiction, winners can indirectly address some of the negative impacts of gambling.

I also understand that everyone has different perspectives. Some people might argue that winners shouldn't be obligated to donate, and that they should be free to use their money as they see fit. Ultimately, it's a personal decision. That said, it's also important to respect individuals' choices about how they use their money.

It depends on the gambler whether they will donate to the addiction program, but it needs to be clear whether the addiction program is in the form of a foundation and they can make a positive impact?

But I am sure more of them don't have to donate to this kind of program after their victory, I know it's their right but this won't have any impact unless we ourselves can control the addiction.

It should be voluntary, if they want to donate it is fine as long as there is no coercion.
From my winnings I have never donated to a gambling addiction program.

He can donate, but its not an obligation to donate part of his winnings to addiction support programs. Gamblers should be responsible for their losses and their mental health, When it comes to gambling, we should be on alert that we are in the right frame of mind and that we are not falling into the category of addicted to gambling.

Although its a good cause to support, there's no way it should be an obligation like what the OP insinuates or suggests. They can spend a lot of money on gambling, so they also should spend their own money to cure themselves from addiction.

Yes, it is not an obligation for them to volunteer, winning big in gambling is individual and donations are also individual, it is fine for those who do things that they think the gambling addiction program has a positive impact on, perhaps they need financial support.

For me personally, whatever type of program you want to do, as long as the program has a good and positive impact, I don't think it's a problem for anyone who donates their funds to it, they don't have to win big in gambling, Those who win small can also do it, of course it depends on their ability to spend money, I don't think it's a problem for those with good rights.

I think that no one should be guilt-tripped into making any donation that they do not want to. Donation should be free will besides donation does not always have to be monetary. What I think is that ever gambler should be an outspoken advocate for responsible gambling. They should be able to always speak up against gambling addiction, underaged gambling , gambling regulations and all of that. As player, it is totally up to me to decide that each month I would give a portion my winnings to my favourite charity to support whatever cause that feels closest to my heart. This in my estimation is a moral obligation.

What a stupidity. Why would a person who risks with his own money share his wins with someone who is reckless with his life and cant control his emotions? Why would a gambler help addicted, but not casinos, who have created those addicted gamblers? Its their responsibility. Casinos earn from those addicted, so they should care about them. Gambler should not be a intermediary in this money help relationships.

If an addicted is looking for a help from other gambler, then it should not be money related. It should be an advice, a contact of a doctor, a suggestion and example of other activity, that will turn into hobby later to get distracted from addiction.

Well, I believe that winners donating to addiction support programs is a a good idea, as it helps address the negative impact gambling can have on individuals and society. Since gambling can lead to addiction for many, those who win could contribute to balancing out some of the harm caused. However, I understand why others might disagree. Some people feel that winners should be free to use their money however they choose and shouldn't be obligated to solve problems they didn’t directly cause...
What do you think—should gambling winners donate a small part of their winnings to addiction support programs, or is it not really their responsibility?