Topic: Do you know enough of what you have been told? (Read 615 times)

I am baffled with the obsession this member has with trying to demonstrate he was absolutely innocent and he was a victim of an unnecessary conspiracy against him. He has omitted key facts including the feedback he has left for others which does demonstrate he cannot be trusted.

First of all, I did not receive any alleged PM. That could be because there never were any PMs or because I had already added him to my ignore list a long time ago, around the time he started a vendetta against me at the time I tried to get to the truth surrounding the Bitlucy scam and the involvement of a particular campaign manager/marketing partner of that Bitlucy scam.

Second, if one member were to send a PM to several others stating that a particular member conducted in nefarious activity and asked their opinion on the matter, that in itself is not a wrong thing to do.

He is just upset just because he has several members that distrust him now after his constant annoying behaviour.

So what if he has sent it? You've obliviously ignored all the comments in this thread. The recipients of that message are old enough to know whether or not to distrust you based on those arguments. And you keep going on and on about the same thing, despite not having a single comment in the thread supporting you.

@GazetaBitcoin, I was expecting a response from you in this discussion. I left you a feedback, mentioned you in a post however I am yet to PM you which I will do soon. In public, it is a good way to defend yourself when you are not afraid to admit the truth.

Do you deny the accusation of sending the above PM¹ to forum members?
You can chose to admit the truth or you can lie straight forward, those who received the PM from you will know you are a liar.

¹ Part of your PM. It censored so that you can not identify who shared the information and they become your target to harm their reputation.

PM sent.
/*edited*/

The succession of threads created by the OP (and his minion that has not logged in since 4th May 2024) did not bring anything worthy to discuss but it did not stop him because of his dislike of a particular campaign manager.

If the OP really had a problem with any one member he should have simply ignored and/or excluded and moved on. I think that should be the same process with all members but the problem is that some members have an ego bigger than the statue of liberty and they start vendetta after vendetta thinking they will get away with it without facing consequences.

Here is what I think about the whole situation, and I could be wrong.

I don't know your exact intention but you ended up being viewed as that kid who would snitch to the teacher that the other students are cheating on the exam, while you may view that as a good thing -- the majority of people view it as a terrible thing, it doesn't matter how anyone labels it, it would still be assumed "snitching".

Now up to the point where you were just discussing the subject, I would assume that many members viewed it as a normal discussion, I don't know you well enough but I know hugeblack well enough to assume that he had no bad intentions in that discussion, but I would just assume you had no real intention up to that point, so when did shit hit the fan? it was when you left the feedback on Icopress, that was the turning point, at that point it became clear that your intention was not to have a normal healthy discussion about Jambler but it was rather done for either one of two

A- You just wanted to snitch.
B- You hated Icopress and you wanted to score a point against him at the expense of everything else.

Unfortunately, regardless of which scenario you choose, most people viewing this from the outside would dislike you for that.

Things got worse when other members who already disliked you took this opportunity to attack you and draw the attention of other members to what you did, I believe you would do the same if you had the chance, it's just terrible human nature that we have to live with.

As for Icopress sending a PM to those members who get some special treatment from him, I can confirm that I did not receive any PM from him nor anyone else regarding anything related to you, I did not exclude you from my trust my list, I still like you and think you are generally a good person but I do honestly believe what you did was bad, despite your intentions, the end result was the ending of a legit campaign that was paying forum members, the forum as a whole gained nothing from all of this, I am not saying it was you who caused this, but your actions made it seem like you were so happy about it.

IMO you all should have avoided that discussion, you found out Jambler was a mixer? great!, theymos didn't know, he didn't have to know, and he probably didn't want to know.


Anyway, I think you should let this cool down for a while, pouring more gas on this fire isn't going to fix it, time will.


 

This is a very bad combination. Not many people, including me, will verify everything that's linked there. And if public quotes are taken out of context, we can only guess what happened to the PM-quotes. So I'll stick with this:

I was going to stay out of this although probably I am going to be labeled one of the evil backstabber that icopress ordered to distrust you, not that I care or that there is even a tiny bit of truth in that but going through that wall of text, I am genuinely asking you, and I am dead serious on this, why do you do this kind of s*** as the one below?


Yup, that looks like an attack, the problem is, that you quoted only half of the message:


And now much like the rest it stops looking like an attack, right?
So why do you do this kind of ***, if you accuse somebody of being manipulative you know the moment you pull this out anyone would stop taking you seriously, just like it has already happened!

But I suppose we must have some forum drama now and then, what the fuck we would do with a forum where everyone just plays nicely with each other, we don't need that dystopian utopian garbage.

If you are the OP, think that you were manipulated, then you allowed this person to do this, and, first of all, you were interested in removing this person. Therefore, the answer was given that it is in vain to search for the truth on the Internet when others do not want to hear it since the truth is always different for all people. If you see that you are being played, do the same, but show the person that you know his goals. It's not difficult to guess who you were talking about.

If the purpose of creating this thread was in order to try to use some sort of flawed analytical angle as a misdirection to try to have any of the exclusions reversed then the OP will most probably not achieve the objective.

What cannot be overlooked is the fact he had even more trust exclusions this week and that was after he posted screenshots above. He could further alienate even more members if he does not at the very least accept his allegation about a conspiracy circulating in PMs was totally false.

The picture that the OP is trying to paint that icopress is capable of deceiving a lot of forumers about the true nature of [banned mixer], I don't believe it. And that he can manipulate them by sending them PMs, either himself or through another member, I don't believe it either. I already said in the other thread that I didn't receive any PMs, as did other forumers who said the same, and if they were sent to some, the forumers who received them are old enough to know whether to act accordingly or not.

What I see here is someone who has earned a lot of distrusts and instead of assuming that it is because of something he has done wrong, he perseveres in his mistake.

Does anyone think that with this thread the OP is going to get anyone to reverse his decision to exclude him? I think the opposite, if anything it will get more people to exclude him.

You're really funny  

I don’t want to upset you, but none of those you mentioned received this PM from me since I am not its author.  

Instead of trying to try on the role of a forum policeman and using such a technique as “glow” to try to pass off lies as the truth, you should reconsider your tags and apologize for the mess you created. I think this would help the case much more than your futile attempts to manipulate the facts.

Report completed. The last part of the investigation is updated:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64029632

bot, I will try to response you and others later when I think something needs to address.

Perhaps I will never response to this topic because I think I completed my job, it's the truth which needed to be shared. You will decide what you want to do with the truth, you are a free men, a part of the decentralized belief.

I need to log off now.

That's what LoyceVs PM publisher is for

But why? We get it: you don't like icopress, and he doesn't like you. None of this is going to change anything. Anyone can exclude anyone for any reason, it's up to the other users to decide whether or not their Trust list and feedback is still accurate.

There's also this:
If there's anything like that going on, I don't think your posts will convince anyone to change their minds. It's too much to read, and all seems kinda far fetched.

I confirm that the decrypted message is the same

I locked the old thread so that the discussion do not spread in different area and it happens only here. The reason to create the new topic is to get more visibility and to learn about the information [confirmed information] directly before reading anything else that was written on the other thread which was slightly taken from confirmed information but most were from unconfirmed sources.

Do we need new threads to draw attention to or away from something?  If you need a wall of text, people will not read.  Why can't people continue the old discussion?

(I know I'm hypocritical, since I used to do the same thing.)

The last few days [over a week], I read many discussions about mixers ban, related to Jambler, the role icopres was playing for Jambler. Anyone with a little sense can notice that when there were any "Jambler is a mixer" discussion were developing icopress was defending.

There is a Proverb: Attack is the best form of defense.
icopress was applying the technique.

When admin banned Jambler [it was because two campaign managers decided to report the conversation between me and HB] icopress decided to blame me, HB and a campaign manager [HB and me never reported anything to admin.]. Then for obvious reasons I responded and thought at least a neutral feedback warrants [by now I think everyone should know that my feedback for icopress explained better, he did not respect the forum admin's decision of banning mixers. By perfectly knowing this is a mixer he continued to manipulate the concept so that he can continue earning from the job].

Now icopress can see he has a neutral feedback and he needed it to be removed from the default trust feedback section. He decided to perform the secret dirty mission. Many members obviously follow him just to be in his campaigns [just like many did not check what Jambler actually is, they were trusting icopress's words].

But icopress has to be a great manager [at least he was showing greatness to a few of you]. When you will receive a direct PM from icopress, there is a chance that you will start thinking icopress is doing a dirty job, he is not great anymore. So icopress decided to use another account to do the dirty job for him and icopress himself can stay clean to you.

Who is this account we have now?  Here is the twist. It can be a spouse, friend, girlfriend/boyfriend, mum/dad, uncle/aunty, grand pap/mum, you name it, we have seen all of the stories in the past to cover undeclared alt accounts. But there are no concrete evidences.

Until now if you were thinking icopress [account] sent the PM, man you were wrong! The PM sent from GazetaBitcoin [account].

I suspect, the connection between icopress and GazetaBitcoin was perfectly and carefully hidden out. A positive feedback left from GazetaBitcoin for Stake Manager but after a few months a strange negative feedback icopress left for the same manager. icopress "~" some persons from his trust list, GazetaBitcoin [selectively] adds or keeps a good relationship with those people [the whole thing of one "~" and other adds happen in opposite order too, GazetaBitcoin first and icopress later]. Even GazetaBitcoin never let me feel that he disliked me, not even after suggesting all these members he asked to "~" me he did not do the "~" himself, where icopress was the first to start the "~" party. A thorough exploring to trust list regular exclusion/inclusion, remove from exclusion/inclusion will clearly show there are many opposite actions, steps were taken by icopress and GazetaBitcoin account to keep the accounts separate from each others. Openly and privately icopress account is transparent but secretly GazetaBitcoin account is doing the dirty job. On the other hand, openly they support each others arguments and in private GazetaBitcoin mostly forwards business offers [vouch for icopress]. A suggestion of a legendary account to another legendary works very well in business after all [it's not a bad thing but what motivation? There are no free meal].

I am not good at finding connections between accounts but there are many genius we have in the forum who are exclusively skilled to find connections between accounts. I hope some of these geniuses will find some concrete evidences. If the accounts are not connected then why GazetaBitcoin decided to do the dirty job for icopress?

Some information about GazetaBitcoin and my relationship.
I can not remember when GazetaBitcoin came close to me, but he came close to me [at least he pretended and used me successfully to achieve his dirty deeds in some forum dramas] tricky enough that I thought he still was. Not long ago he used me as his front speaker [used my forum influence] to destroy a forum member [he used many others too in this mission] because [I realized later] the member was rude to him, insulted him openly in an argument. He knew I was the best person to support him because I did not have good relation with that member. After achieving his dirty goal he wrote to me.

I have information that GazetaBitcoin keeps the secret good relationship with other members [using these members as his close fake circle, like I was used] in private and use the relationship to use against someone when he and icopress dislike and target a person.

If you are thinking GazetaBitcoin/icopress is your close forum friend, a well wisher then it's time for you to create the distance with him because you can be his next target.

You are reading and thinking I am influencing you to reset your trust setting? No, I am not, please don't. If I was sick for my trust page and feedback page then I would built my account that would look 100+ positive feedback and very strong DT strength at-least before this "~" party. I care for my trust page and default trust status but I never wanted to get it by using ass licking, secretly grouping and manipulating the feature. I care for an organic development.

With this investigation report I give you the truth. If you think this is the reality now for the forum and you are fine with this reality then I think it's not a good example we are setting for the future generation in the community. Many genuine members already left and there are many others who are preparing for the exit. After a few years the forum will be left with the ass lickers, fake DT members, fake highly trusted positive feedback [earned from manipulation and faking support to each others] owners. All these will be motivated by only one goal which is earning from advertising.

TL;DR;

After this openly false and dirty manipulative post a PM was sent [make your guess about the sender] to many members [The members were carefully selected who: have bad experience [don't like me because I am not afraid to talk on their face] with me, are directly or indirectly financially effected by the jambler ban, loyal and close to icopress because he always give additional benefits to these member in his campaigns] plant a believe that the admin determined to ban Jambler because I influenced him^[part-1]. If I have any contribution then [1.] I made a post which described Jamber's connections with their partners, [2.] Described clearly explaining the PHP code that they provide to their partners.

^[part-1]


"To only name a few..." very interesting [silently going to the brain to create a point that the sender wanted for the receivers]. Of course the PM does not have any mention for many members who clearly described Jambler as a mixer.

Who is the liar?

^[part-2]


After asking the opinion, the silent suggestion [in the last paragraph "My belief about ~BC.G [...] he already ~BC.G"]was given nicely. [Obviously the user knows this campaign manager and I had a massive face off in the past]

I hope those who were responding with: they did not see where it was asked to "~" me, "it means I [BitcoinGirl] was lying", you don't believe anything like that can happen; can now see how this dirty job was done, it all happened secretly.

I am still working with the last part of the report and will post it in the reserved sections soon.

If anyone think their messages are misinterpreting then they can share details and correct it. I censored the author names so that none of it become an issue for them openly. Many members have good reasons [attacked by group and becoming a target, losing DT position, losing spots in campaigns, misinterpreting their opinions] not to share the words openly but they felt comfortable to share in private. The following quotes are part of responses from many members which I received for the investigation I was conducting last a week.







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Last a few days I was working to collected and verifying information. User @Who is John Galt?, @Parvati_j, @albert0bsd and @tech30338 when possible please decrypt the following encrypted message and confirm the contents.


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