Do you think gambling sites should ask proofs ?

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Quote from: bitcoinisbest on April 21, 2017, 12:31:24 AM

I think yes they can ask for proof since even in casinos the proof is being asked if you are above 18 or not so same way in online itself how will they know if someone under 18 is gambling or not. Identity proof should be must for playing online.

I think this is the best proof, which requires age notification to prove the accountability of its users, I myself have no problem with the request of identity card for them because it guarantees the security in transaction. This also applies to some large market trading exchangers where the id is required for any nominal withdrawal.

Quote from: paul00 on April 21, 2017, 02:52:49 AM

I disagree to ask proofs in gambling site. Most of us use bitcoin because It does not required for our identification ID unless we will withdraw a big amount (converting into cash).

The exceptions you mention will be very useful for preventing possible losses on transactions arising from both parties, so you don't have to worry about this anymore.

How can you even confirm that the person who presented the ID would really be the person who submitted the ID? This really destroys the main reason why we go online, that is being anonymous in gambling sites.

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Quote from: bitcoinisbest on April 21, 2017, 12:31:24 AM

I think yes they can ask for proof since even in casinos the proof is being asked if you are above 18 or not so same way in online itself how will they know if someone under 18 is gambling or not. Identity proof should be must for playing online.

I think this is the best proof, which requires age notification to prove the accountability of its users, I myself have no problem with the request of identity card for them because it guarantees the security in transaction. This also applies to some large market trading exchangers where the id is required for any nominal withdrawal.

Quote from: paul00 on April 21, 2017, 02:52:49 AM

I disagree to ask proofs in gambling site. Most of us use bitcoin because It does not required for our identification ID unless we will withdraw a big amount (converting into cash).

The exceptions you mention will be very useful for preventing possible losses on transactions arising from both parties, so you don't have to worry about this anymore.

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I disagree to ask proofs in gambling site. Most of us use bitcoin because It does not required for our identification ID unless we will withdraw a big amount (converting into cash).

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I think yes they can ask for proof since even in casinos the proof is being asked if you are above 18 or not so same way in online itself how will they know if someone under 18 is gambling or not. Identity proof should be must for playing online.

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Quote from: Nicol3 on April 20, 2017, 10:50:44 PM

I think it is better for gambling sites to ask for proofs, aside from its security; players which mostly are gamblers would feel safe also when putting money on those gambling sites. Thus, it wouldn't be tag as a scam site too.

I am only going to support that they ask for proof only if they do same before registering and not when an individual wants to make withdrawal. Also, how are they sure that the proofs are even legit in the first place considering the fact that privacy is an ultimate thing doing activities online. Aside that, how are my sure that the site will even protect my info when they would have put it in their terms and conditions not to be responsible in case they are compromised?

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I think it is better for gambling sites to ask for proofs, aside from its security; players which mostly are gamblers would feel safe also when putting money on those gambling sites. Thus, it wouldn't be tag as a scam site too.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

any gambling site that starts thinking about such a thing will be shooting itself in the foot. because the gamblers will simply close their accounts and go to another gambling site. and it is pretty easy since there are a lot of them around and most of them are offering the same thing with same features and same house edge and are also trusted.

and while we are playing with bitcoin, none of us will be willing to give anything to a gambling site.

But we cant avoid on sites that does really require some proofs and some gambler really dont like it or most of them and they just let their withdrawals or funds left on the account and dont minding to get if they cant do anything they would rather choose not to be paid that to expose themselves on gambling site and even i didnt like such policy or requirement.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Yes, it is more professional if an gambling site asks for a proof of identification that's because like any other real gambling casinos they asks for your identification and this way as you said it makes the site more legit, less scam and good reputations. They just don't let anybody play gambling in their site especially kids who gambles. For me that's not an hassle it is just a part of the business especially dealing with money. Wink

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 07, 2017, 05:06:59 AM

What proof are you asking for? Who in the world would give his identity proof to the gambling company, that's suicidal. No I don't think any gambling should ask for a user proof. I feel it should be kept annnyos only. And which are these insane companies that are asking for proof, it could create lot of trouble for the users playing on the site if they need to give proof to play. I would never visit such sites ever to play.

You're right there. I myself won't be playing on a gambling site askijg for personal information. It makes your profile prone to theft more. I'd rather play in a site that has been proven in time and by a lot of users where i can play anonymously. Asking for proof for a site in the gambling industry won't make sense at all

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What proof are you asking for? Who in the world would give his identity proof to the gambling company, that's suicidal. No I don't think any gambling should ask for a user proof. I feel it should be kept annnyos only. And which are these insane companies that are asking for proof, it could create lot of trouble for the users playing on the site if they need to give proof to play. I would never visit such sites ever to play.

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Quote from: theguy217 on April 07, 2017, 04:51:49 AM

No I don't think so. A lot of ppl gamble using bitcoins from countries where gambling is actually restricted.

So no.
In fact a lot of casinos online don't even declare where they are registered. So these regulations should be the other way round.

Plus what difference does it make if customers are with proof or not Huh

Nah, most of the people I asked and talked to about this is that they like to gamble in online casinos because it is quite easier than going to real casinos. For me, this is true too. As I don't like the smell of casinos and the shadiness sometimes in them. It's really great to just relax at home and push the buttons.

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No I don't think so. A lot of ppl gamble using bitcoins from countries where gambling is actually restricted.

So no.
In fact a lot of casinos online don't even declare where they are registered. So these regulations should be the other way round.

Plus what difference does it make if customers are with proof or not Huh

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Nonsense. It's a tactic so they do not have to pay nothing more. I fail to see how proofs have anything to do with how "legit" a casino is. That is up to how they treat their players. Asking for proof is so cheeky and is like accusing someone of wrong doing. Casinos that do it will see less customers then those that do not.

Exactly, if there is a website where I can gamble without giving my ID and there is another website that requires my national ID and so forth it makes no sense to play there. They must have like amazing promos or something, they also need to be this huge trustworthy old casino, otherwise I am not giving my info to a new website.

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I don't think so, although it is important for trusting of gambling website but I think
there are not gambling website will gives the informations about the bitcoin in reserve
because as we know the capital is something secret in corporations include business of gambling.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

This is only for the rules to be followed by the government orders .
Here few sites only having option for the KYC verification before the Gambling . Such types of things gives us the mentality of trust .
And also they do this because they will decrease the spamming , and one user can't have double account .
Here the most common example is bitsler which needs KYC verification and most or th gamblers making Gambling at big stack at this casino .

Know your customer policies are not there because of the site really. It is more on the laws that govern their sites. In the online world, privacy is one of the highest priority of most online users. So I don't think casinos or gambling sites would like to impose such requirements not for those laws. For sure they want more customers to flow into their casino.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

This is only for the rules to be followed by the government orders .
Here few sites only having option for the KYC verification before the Gambling . Such types of things gives us the mentality of trust .
And also they do this because they will decrease the spamming , and one user can't have double account .
Here the most common example is bitsler which needs KYC verification and most or th gamblers making Gambling at big stack at this casino .

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That's a good thing to do as those gambling sites will obviously be monitored by some trusted company but when a site is showing all the legal proofs they need something in return. You can't gamble the way you gamble now they will ask for your id, they will ask you to register on their site using an email and of course if there is an id it should match your name. So it's your wish you want anonymity or the legal way.

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i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

Yep.

There is really no reason for the sites to ask you for personal information anyways, if you are playing legitimately and not cheating anything from the casinos. They run a provably fair game, they are supposed to win most of the times. They should be more than happy for you to have alt accounts on their sites because that only means more volume and more profit from them.

So really, a lot of casinos like Powerbet uses their Terms and Conditions as an excuse to delay withdrawals or to simply eat user funds.

That's not ethical, in my opinion. Especially with such an anonymous currency used, like bitcoin.

However if a casino does have real evidence that you are cheating by expoliting a bug that they haven't fixed, then they should be able to ask for your identification. But suspicion of that isn't enough in my opinion.

yeah i am agree with you. i think for making alt accounts in their sites, they should thinking that is the best time for them to make more profit like you said. because many gamblers have high attention and they have passion for playing gambling in their sites and its mean they can gain a lot of profit.

its different if they have a bug in their site but they don't fixed it so they are losing their money because of bug, they still don't have a chance to asked us to send the document because they doing mistake.

as long as we don't have cheating in their sites, we playing gambling in normal mode like others people, then the sites don't need to asked our identity to continue playing gambling.

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Bitcoin casinos that do it won't get any traffic, because Bitcoin gambling is always based on Bitcoin's near-anonymity or at least lack of monitoring from governments.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Nonsense. It's a tactic so they do not have to pay nothing more. I fail to see how proofs have anything to do with how "legit" a casino is. That is up to how they treat their players. Asking for proof is so cheeky and is like accusing someone of wrong doing. Casinos that do it will see less customers then those that do not.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

How will less scams happen when gambling sites ask for proofs from the customers?

It should be the other way around. Gambling sites should mention where their companies are registered and provide the reference numbers for that. They should show who runs the show so things are more transparent for the gamblers.

I think so, as too many gambling sites which ended or running a scam project, they are who have provide enough information and proof. Usually, as time goes on, people will know which site is a good one or at least devs team are trusted.
Players can't deceive a casinos as they rule/own the system, in mostly case players gullible by the site. Different story if those casinos are running on real world (not only online basis).

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2017, 02:06:35 AM

i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

Yep.

There is really no reason for the sites to ask you for personal information anyways, if you are playing legitimately and not cheating anything from the casinos. They run a provably fair game, they are supposed to win most of the times. They should be more than happy for you to have alt accounts on their sites because that only means more volume and more profit from them.

So really, a lot of casinos like Powerbet uses their Terms and Conditions as an excuse to delay withdrawals or to simply eat user funds.

That's not ethical, in my opinion. Especially with such an anonymous currency used, like bitcoin.

However if a casino does have real evidence that you are cheating by expoliting a bug that they haven't fixed, then they should be able to ask for your identification. But suspicion of that isn't enough in my opinion.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2017, 02:06:35 AM

i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Yes, avoid this kind of casinos. It is not safe for players. And your transaction will be tracked by your governament. Why people play bitcoin gambling means here, we don't need to give any personal information and our transactions will be hidden no one can track. But once you provide your personal information they can use it any wrong way. So why risk we have a lot of casinos that they don't ask our identity play in that casino and enjoy the game.

agree with you and i think i don't want to play in those site because there is still many sites that allow us to play gambling without we needed to send our document. it feels like that we've spied or monitor by the casino, beside that if any bad happen with the casino, our data can be abused by them and we can be involved with another thing.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2017, 02:06:35 AM

i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

that is right, i think if the site wants to be trusted for member, they should do another thing such as give the best service for their member rather than only wants the member to send their document. many good thing that the site can do to get trusted from member or new people, but only a few site that will do this as the site is concern with how they can get much profit from the members.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Yeah, definitely not.

I mean if you are playing in a fiat casino then they asking you for proof is reasonable. They have to comply with these KYC laws as well as AML and anti terrorist funding laws that the government has put in place for fiat, licensed casinos.

The only reason that most people use a bitcoin casino anyways, is to have deposits and withdrawals instant.

And that is the only advantage that bitcoin casinos have against fiat casinos, easy to withdraw and deposit, no questions asked.

Also most casinos aren't even licensed here. They don't have the right nor should you trust them with your personal information. Who knows what they are going to do with your personal ID once they get it.

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That will destroy the meaning of bitcoin itself in this industry. The users should just keep playing in big well established gambling houses like directbet.eu, nitrogensports.eu etc. If bitcoin gambling houses ask for my ID why should I continue playing with them when odds are lower compared to Fiat gambling houses ?

They should not ask for ID proofs in my opinion.

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Quote from: Janation on April 05, 2017, 04:42:38 PM

Quote from: danherbias07 on April 05, 2017, 06:59:35 AM

Proof of what?
They are the one who is running a business so they should be the one who will provide the proof of legitimacy.
They are making it backwards for what? Proof of not being a robot? Who the hell would sacrifice his money to be controlled by a robot? I wont. That is hilarious. This is real money we are talking here not just a game of poker in a facebook app.

That is right, Everyone who runs a Gambling site must prove their site to be a legitimate gambling site, it is a given if they want to attract more costumers to them. There are a lot of ways to attract a costumer, getting good house edge, getting a good prize, bonuses, and one of them is also proving the gamblers that they are legit and they are not a scam. As a businessman, who wants to be controlled by a robot, that is really hilarious.

Based on my experienced sites have different rules, there are sites who are registered hence they are more strict, usually those who are registered are big sites and if the gambler will just read before they join they will understand all the rules and they will not complain thereafter.

Some really ask proofs if you are suspected violating the rules and if you cannot justify it that would lead to a big problem on your part as that is there business and they manage the rules so they have the option whether to release your funds or not.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 05, 2017, 06:59:35 AM

Proof of what?
They are the one who is running a business so they should be the one who will provide the proof of legitimacy.
They are making it backwards for what? Proof of not being a robot? Who the hell would sacrifice his money to be controlled by a robot? I wont. That is hilarious. This is real money we are talking here not just a game of poker in a facebook app.

That is right, Everyone who runs a Gambling site must prove their site to be a legitimate gambling site, it is a given if they want to attract more costumers to them. There are a lot of ways to attract a costumer, getting good house edge, getting a good prize, bonuses, and one of them is also proving the gamblers that they are legit and they are not a scam. As a businessman, who wants to be controlled by a robot, that is really hilarious.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Honestly, you have a confusing question and seems to be incomplete. What proof are you referring to? Who are going to give proofs, users or gambling site owner? If I assume that you mean the gambling sites need some proof for users to trust that it's running legitimate, that would be fine because their are giving the service. However, if you want users to give proofs to the sites, not so good and I think only few (if there is still) will play.

Therefor, gambling sites even with proofs or not can run away and scam users as long as it is online.You can't really secure your money, it's a risk.

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It is not for any legal reason. The casino itself had no legal backing so asking for documentation is laughable. I would never okay at a casino like that. The only reason they would ever want your info is in hopes you will not produce and they do not have to pay. It's s tactic that works well for them. All other reasons are nonsense.

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Quote from: izanagi narukami on April 05, 2017, 03:36:21 AM

Gambling site who show their algorithm on public means that they are intend to make their site legit and serious to attract more gambler to play in.
It's reasonable since we as a player also need a proof of the site legitimacy before try to play with real bits

I agree with you, If a gambling site show their algorithm on public as you said means that it build trust with other gamblers. So there is no fear to scam anymore.
Gamblers can enjoying playing in it as a legit site with proofs.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2017, 02:06:35 AM

i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

How would asking for proofs make it less scam proof ? First of all, asking for proofs doesn't necessarily mean they are regulated unlike they show their KYC. And secondly, they can claim to be hacked and run with the bitcoin even if they are actually regulated..

You do have a point, but I don't think so that a certain gambling site would run away with all the bitcoins that their players invested to them just like that, because it is hard to be trusted by the people in the first place, so it would be a wasted of time if they are just going to run away just like that. They could even earn more money if they are not gong to run away, and it is the lamest decision that a certain gambling site could make just to have easy money

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Proof of what?
They are the one who is running a business so they should be the one who will provide the proof of legitimacy.
They are making it backwards for what? Proof of not being a robot? Who the hell would sacrifice his money to be controlled by a robot? I wont. That is hilarious. This is real money we are talking here not just a game of poker in a facebook app.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

I dont know whether it satisfies your answer or not but I used to do sports betting in Bet365 and they actually ask for KYC if you want to verify your account and make a cashout. I dont like it but I used to win with my strategies and analysis so I have done that.

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Quote from: crypto1010 on April 05, 2017, 03:30:28 AM

depending on what payment option you have opted to fund your betting account especially visa/mastercard(generally fiat)

they are free to ask for proof as part of KYC but anything to do with crypto currencies should not be entertained at all because KYC is not welcome with cryptos Tongue

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Correct, for BTC payment and deposit we don't require KYC. But if you play with fiat currency then it must be needed it is useful for you to track your records. And they also verify the identity. Without identity, if any issue you face means how can they solve your problems. That is why they ask your personal information. But nowadays I think max people use BTC to play online gambling.

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Gambling site who show their algorithm on public means that they are intend to make their site legit and serious to attract more gambler to play in.
It's reasonable since we as a player also need a proof of the site legitimacy before try to play with real bits

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depending on what payment option you have opted to fund your betting account especially visa/mastercard(generally fiat)

they are free to ask for proof as part of KYC but anything to do with crypto currencies should not be entertained at all because KYC is not welcome with cryptos Tongue

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Yes gambling sites need to show proofs because how a gambler know if a gambling site is legit or safe many of sites today are scams so we need to be sure that the sites that we are using is really legit or safe.

I guess he means if the websites should ask proof of gambler. Like national ID and so forth to be able to play. In order for something wrong happens. Like exchanges and so forth. Otherwise considering if a casino should be provably fair or not is a useless thing to do, I mean why shouldn’t they, how would you trust them if they won’t do that.

That's right, proofs were asked by very few bitcoin gambling websites. This too happens with users who expect to get their settlement in their bank account. Identification verification is not required with every gambling websites, and very few does it and those are not popular.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

proof of identity you mean? no one would play if they ask for that, people like to play with bitcoin because they don't have to deal with the boring identity verification, and somehow also dangerous, what if they steal my credentials and use it for illegal things? i can't risk that, i'll never send my id to anyone, and don't forgot that id can be false too, maybe someone stole a ID from someone else and use it to play

That is a good point.
I cannot understand why anybody would think about giving his own identity just to be safe about btc gambling.
There are many trusted sites, where you dont need verification of any kind.

Being anonymous as a user is very important thing to implement when building cryptocurrency casino, most of the players will always stick to anonymous sites.
We can spot a big number of casinos that dont collect sensitive info.

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Quote from: CODE200 on April 04, 2017, 12:15:07 PM

Yes gambling sites need to show proofs because how a gambler know if a gambling site is legit or safe many of sites today are scams so we need to be sure that the sites that we are using is really legit or safe.

I guess he means if the websites should ask proof of gambler. Like national ID and so forth to be able to play. In order for something wrong happens. Like exchanges and so forth. Otherwise considering if a casino should be provably fair or not is a useless thing to do, I mean why shouldn’t they, how would you trust them if they won’t do that.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2017, 02:06:35 AM

i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Yes, avoid this kind of casinos. It is not safe for players. And your transaction will be tracked by your governament. Why people play bitcoin gambling means here, we don't need to give any personal information and our transactions will be hidden no one can track. But once you provide your personal information they can use it any wrong way. So why risk we have a lot of casinos that they don't ask our identity play in that casino and enjoy the game.

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i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

I'm not sure about less scams because i've been seeing more scam accusation threads recently on casinos that does kyc to their players compared to those that don't. Avoid them if you don't to provide your personal information, there's still a lot of bitcoin casino to gamble on that doesn't involve risking your information.

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Why would anyone fear when it comes to giving their ID screen shots to online services? oh I know the answer, because many of such services had taken those information and used them to scam people/identity theft/fraud/impersonating, you only need to give such info to trusted services and only when fiat money is involved, never give your info/ID if you are only playing with crypto coins.
You need to be able to have the government backing you up when it comes to fraud and complaints against online services and if your government doesn't protect you from online gambling/casinos if they ever tried to use your info/ID in criminal activities, you seriously need to check first and if you are not protected by law then do not give them anything not only casinos but exchanges and generally any online service.

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if the casinos start asking for "proof" or regulations and stuff like that, it means they have been regulated and have to follow the KYC AML rules and in other words that means they must be paying taxes and lots of it which is going to be a large amount of money since they have a lot of users and a lot of funds going through them.

and one of the reasons why casinos are using bitcoin and are pretty profitable is because they are not paying any taxes and they wouldn't want to do it themselves.

and besides what you said here won't fix any problems about "less scams"

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

any gambling site that starts thinking about such a thing will be shooting itself in the foot. because the gamblers will simply close their accounts and go to another gambling site. and it is pretty easy since there are a lot of them around and most of them are offering the same thing with same features and same house edge and are also trusted.

and while we are playing with bitcoin, none of us will be willing to give anything to a gambling site.

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Quote from: olubams on April 04, 2017, 11:49:18 AM

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

All regulated casino must have KYC policy to remain in business and that can be big problem for lots of users from countries where gambling is restricted.

On the other hand casino that are not registered anywhere and only accept bitcoin don't ask any personal documents and protect personal privacy but they can shut down and run away without getting caught.

So if you want to protect your privacy than you have to take risk of getting scammed but if you like to remain in safe hands than it will cost your personal privacy.

And what makes you think the information supplied is correct in the KYC platform from their clients in as much as I subscribe to KYC but it should not be extended to gambling sites if its a trading site, then I agree thats its important at to avoid money laundering but gambling where the reason most people engage in the online version is to avoid being attached to it and what difference will it make if what I am running from in the physical gambling is what is being asked going the online way...

In my humble opinion, Most KYC supported Gambling site needs an ID verification and Address verification so that they can verify if the information provided is legit. That was the KYC main purpose. But i disagree about KYC on gambling site that using BTC as currency because BTC are meant to keep our privacy safe besides that, there are so many gambling site that are leghit and trusted without KYC, As per statement about, We can check the legality of all gambling site from it's company registration.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

should they prove that the site is not a scam and legit. but if it had been playing on this site and is not a scam so what's wrong if we provide evidence that the site was not a scam to attract more customers are being cautious in choosing a gambling site. but if it bothers you can skip.

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I think the main reason anyone puts Bitcoin into gambling sites rather than fiat is so that they don't have to give their personal information. If casinos did this to people when they didn't suspect any fraudulent activity from a specific user, no one would use the sites and thus verification would be pointless anyway.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

I don't get it why ask a costumers some proof while the gambling site is not doing same thing will less a scams. Especially in bitcoin gambling industry which mostly gambling company not provide their ID, although it's doesn't really necessary, but if providing it will be a plus point for the company itself.

Quote from: emberbekas on April 04, 2017, 11:31:57 AM

In an occasion when a user is suspected of doing things that are less good and may break the rules, they can ask for identity. But overall, if they ask for the identity of all users, I think that will unwise and could undermine the reputation of the site concerned. At crypto world we want to remain anonymously.

No, they will usually give a warning, if the warning runs out of a chance (usually 3 warning which the company give), they will permanently banned you.

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Yes gambling sites need to show proofs because how a gambler know if a gambling site is legit or safe many of sites today are scams so we need to be sure that the sites that we are using is really legit or safe.

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Quote from: Ayers on April 04, 2017, 11:19:16 AM

Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

proof of identity you mean? no one would play if they ask for that, people like to play with bitcoin because they don't have to deal with the boring identity verification, and somehow also dangerous, what if they steal my credentials and use it for illegal things? i can't risk that, i'll never send my id to anyone, and don't forgot that id can be false too, maybe someone stole a ID from someone else and use it to play

I will also not play if they ask too much information that's why I used bitcoin in the first place, because of its anonymity. You just deposit it to their wallet and you withdraw it to your btc address as well. Very simple. And we all know what will happen if your credentials have been stolen, they can use it to in fraudulent activity for financial gains.

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Quote from: piloder on April 04, 2017, 04:19:21 AM

Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

All regulated casino must have KYC policy to remain in business and that can be big problem for lots of users from countries where gambling is restricted.

On the other hand casino that are not registered anywhere and only accept bitcoin don't ask any personal documents and protect personal privacy but they can shut down and run away without getting caught.

So if you want to protect your privacy than you have to take risk of getting scammed but if you like to remain in safe hands than it will cost your personal privacy.

And what makes you think the information supplied is correct in the KYC platform from their clients in as much as I subscribe to KYC but it should not be extended to gambling sites if its a trading site, then I agree thats its important at to avoid money laundering but gambling where the reason most people engage in the online version is to avoid being attached to it and what difference will it make if what I am running from in the physical gambling is what is being asked going the online way...

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

In an occasion when a user is suspected of doing things that are less good and may break the rules, they can ask for identity. But overall, if they ask for the identity of all users, I think that will unwise and could undermine the reputation of the site concerned. At crypto world we want to remain anonymously.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

proof of identity you mean? no one would play if they ask for that, people like to play with bitcoin because they don't have to deal with the boring identity verification, and somehow also dangerous, what if they steal my credentials and use it for illegal things? i can't risk that, i'll never send my id to anyone, and don't forgot that id can be false too, maybe someone stole a ID from someone else and use it to play

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Casinos definitely should ask proof from their users as many users as I've noticed are gambling while being below the age of 13-18 and the sites that ask proof include bet365 which is quite trustworthy compared to anonymous gambling websites that allow any user to register by just clicking the agreement. There are users who register multiple times to get bonuses and claim giveaways. However, this wouldn't reduce scams caused by gambling websites themselves and more than users scamming, the issue is that bitcoin related gambling websites are scamming.

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Fiat gambling establishments ask for ID because the law requires them to do so. Bitcoin gambling establishments shouldn't ask for ID if Bitcoin is not regulated in the country where they operate in my honest opinion. But they can ask for ID even if Bitcoin is not regulated of their own accord.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

What scams are you talking about exactly?

Gamblers are worried that casino will turn out to be scamming them, not the other way around.
Tell me what exactly a player can do to scam online Dice platform? Next to nothing. Exploit their bonus program with multiple accounts?
Having 2nd account registered with his own referral? That is still more profit for the casino!

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

How would asking for proofs make it less scam proof ? First of all, asking for proofs doesn't necessarily mean they are regulated unlike they show their KYC. And secondly, they can claim to be hacked and run with the bitcoin even if they are actually regulated..

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Quote from: NorrisK on April 04, 2017, 04:11:06 AM

How will less scams happen when gambling sites ask for proofs from the customers?

It should be the other way around. Gambling sites should mention where their companies are registered and provide the reference numbers for that. They should show who runs the show so things are more transparent for the gamblers.

Correct, there would be no player on a certain gambling site if they are going to ask proofs that a certain player is legit, because just like what you have said, it should be the other way around. Gambling sites are the ones who are attracting players, so its their job to do such thing like proving they are legit and people could trust them by providing proofs that they pay, something like this.

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Quote from: piloder on April 04, 2017, 04:19:21 AM

Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

All regulated casino must have KYC policy to remain in business and that can be big problem for lots of users from countries where gambling is restricted.

On the other hand casino that are not registered anywhere and only accept bitcoin don't ask any personal documents and protect personal privacy but they can shut down and run away without getting caught.

So if you want to protect your privacy than you have to take risk of getting scammed but if you like to remain in safe hands than it will cost your personal privacy.

Its your own choice on which way would you go if you would like to play on KYC policy based gambling businesses to feel secure on your funds and you will not hesitate to think that they would ran anytime with your money and just as you said the exchange would be your personal informations and other dont really like to expose their identity on playing thats why gambling with bitcoin is also booming up.

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Quote from: NorrisK on April 04, 2017, 04:11:06 AM

How will less scams happen when gambling sites ask for proofs from the customers?

It should be the other way around. Gambling sites should mention where their companies are registered and provide the reference numbers for that. They should show who runs the show so things are more transparent for the gamblers.

I totally agree with this. Customers might be anyone. The casino needs to prove it is fair and perhaps, as you say, officially registered.
However, in some cases no proof is needed. For example, Vdice is written on ethereum platform and I guess the transactions are performed on it like in the case with smart contracts. And this is basically a cool version of an self-evident non-scamming gambling website.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 02:48:26 AM

if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

All regulated casino must have KYC policy to remain in business and that can be big problem for lots of users from countries where gambling is restricted.

On the other hand casino that are not registered anywhere and only accept bitcoin don't ask any personal documents and protect personal privacy but they can shut down and run away without getting caught.

So if you want to protect your privacy than you have to take risk of getting scammed but if you like to remain in safe hands than it will cost your personal privacy.

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How will less scams happen when gambling sites ask for proofs from the customers?

It should be the other way around. Gambling sites should mention where their companies are registered and provide the reference numbers for that. They should show who runs the show so things are more transparent for the gamblers.

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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

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