Monoclonal antibody injection is a post infection treatment, and thus is far more suitable for some cases during a pandemic. It uses the same logic as anti-venom treatments for snake bite. If used correctly, it can give natural immunity a chance to keep ahead when a person has an extreme viral load as a result of wearing face masks, or a weakened immune system.
Other treatments that don't seem to be available to all are exposure to sunlight, and healthy food that is not deficient in vitamins and minerals.
My previous post was a bit to general, but I was trying to point out that the health problems are caused by government actions, and not the result of a minor endemic virus.
Topic: Do you think there is a COVID treatment that is not available for all? (Read 182 times)
October 16, 2021, 05:32:46 AM
October 12, 2021, 05:58:17 AM
I have not heard much about monoclonal antibodies as a treatment of covid-19. But many experiments and research work is going on in different countries of the world Looking for the best treatment of covid -19. Although the process of vaccination is going on in different countries. But this is not the most authentic or final medicine for coronavirus. It is hoped that in the future there will be an authentic vaccine.
August 05, 2021, 10:31:51 AM
I have heard rumours that certain people, including a president, were treated with monoclonal antibodies, a therapy that is not widely accessible and is extremely expensive. Anyone knows about this?
The therapy Trump has received was approved very late in US (I think that it was even after Trump got it). Approving it for EU took some time too but afaik for some weeks it's also available in EU. In other countries may take even more time, but this is not by some odd reasons, it's simply because the approval of new drugs takes a lot of time and tests (which is good if the drugs are not well done and get to be rejected and bad otherwise).
However, the lack of availability is not the only problem. I've read that it's pricey too (2000-2500$?).
August 05, 2021, 10:17:48 AM
Plasma cell therapy is also a kind of treatment to cure the infected people by taking the plasma cell from someone who got cured after getting the infection which is effective but not affordable for everyone, and the only treatment is available for everyone is giving concentrated oxygen to support their respiration system when their lungs affected severely apart from this there is nothing has been done to them.
July 31, 2021, 08:52:40 AM
I have heard rumours that certain people, including a president, were treated with monoclonal antibodies, a therapy that is not widely accessible and is extremely expensive. Anyone knows about this?
Hyperbaric chambers.
As far as I know, people haven't seriously researched or used them, although we know that a large problem is that you need higher transfer of oxygen into the blood. It may also help with long covid types where alveoli don't reopen easily.
For people who don't have access to useful treatments, changing your position from back to tummy helps more than you'd think, even at earlier stages of diseases.
July 28, 2021, 07:53:15 PM
As for monoclonal antibody therapy, it is ethically questionable in the first place because it uses fetal tissue cells (from abortion) and in 2019 the US authorities suspended funding for such research - but that does not mean that it is not funded by private money. Trump received that therapy as they say from "compassionate use".
the human cell lines used as incubators for the MA's are not from any abortions occuring 1980-2021
doctors are not ripping fetuses out of women today to then use for other things without consent
what happened was a woman decided to have a abortion in the 1970's.
for her own personal reasons
and for the heck of it gave permission for the tissues removed to be used for science.
those cells are then replicated. and its the replicate that is then used for science
there is no fetus used. its cells from like 6 replications away from what was fetal tissue
the fetus died in the 1970's and is not sitting in some lab somewhere
in short
its like if someone 50 years ago was going to die and the family signed permission slip that when they die. they want the body donated to science
in the 1970's the body has a biopsy and they take some tissue out of it.
its not THAT tissue thats used in 2020.
the body is then buried/cremated. and the body is no longer in a lab
as for the biopsy tissue extracted..
THAT tissue is replicated. and new tissue is created call it T1
T1 tissue is replicated. and new tissue is created call it T2 created in the 1980's
T2 tissue is replicated. and new tissue is created call it T3 created in the 1990's
T3 tissue is replicated. and new tissue is created call it T4 created in the 2000's
T4 tissue is replicated. and new tissue is created call it T5 created in the 2010's
T5 tissue is replicated. and new tissue is created call it T6 created in the 20XXs
its T6 tissue that is used. (its actually more like T2500 by now but you get the idea)
in short your corpse in 2021 is not being experimented on when you had a biopsy in 1970's. the tissue extracted from you in the 1970's is not the tissue being experimented on
your body is long gone and buried/cremated 50 years ago
July 28, 2021, 03:13:22 PM
I personally think there are things (including various medications) that are not available to ordinary mortals. This does not necessarily mean that they are hidden from the public, but that their price is such that very few people can pay them. If you are powerful or important enough (like the president) then you definitely have the advantage of getting such a medicament.
As for monoclonal antibody therapy, it is ethically questionable in the first place because it uses fetal tissue cells (from abortion) and in 2019 the US authorities suspended funding for such research - but that does not mean that it is not funded by private money. Trump received that therapy as they say from "compassionate use".
As for monoclonal antibody therapy, it is ethically questionable in the first place because it uses fetal tissue cells (from abortion) and in 2019 the US authorities suspended funding for such research - but that does not mean that it is not funded by private money. Trump received that therapy as they say from "compassionate use".
Quote from: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54418464
Monoclonal antibody therapy
This is a combination of antibodies, made by the company Regeneron, which mimic our own immune response.
The antibodies physically stick to the coronavirus so they can't get inside the body's cells and they make the virus more "visible" to the rest of the immune system.
Regeneron's treatment was developed using cells derived from an aborted foetus, which are used to test the antibodies' ability to neutralise the coronavirus.
The Trump administration suspended federal funding in 2019 for future projects using foetal tissue from abortions. The cells used in Regeneron's treatment were from a foetus aborted in the 1970s, so predating that move.
Last week, the company published results on its website showing the cocktail reduced the amount of virus in the body as well as the time it took patients to recover. However, this was in people who did not need hospital treatment and the data has not been seen by scientists or doctors.
The approach makes scientific sense and there is huge hope it will be effective. However, the evidence in patients is still very limited and these monoclonals are still classed as an experimental drug - clinical trials are ongoing. The president is one of only a handful of people outside those trials to undergo the treatment under what is known as "compassionate use".
This is a combination of antibodies, made by the company Regeneron, which mimic our own immune response.
The antibodies physically stick to the coronavirus so they can't get inside the body's cells and they make the virus more "visible" to the rest of the immune system.
Regeneron's treatment was developed using cells derived from an aborted foetus, which are used to test the antibodies' ability to neutralise the coronavirus.
The Trump administration suspended federal funding in 2019 for future projects using foetal tissue from abortions. The cells used in Regeneron's treatment were from a foetus aborted in the 1970s, so predating that move.
Last week, the company published results on its website showing the cocktail reduced the amount of virus in the body as well as the time it took patients to recover. However, this was in people who did not need hospital treatment and the data has not been seen by scientists or doctors.
The approach makes scientific sense and there is huge hope it will be effective. However, the evidence in patients is still very limited and these monoclonals are still classed as an experimental drug - clinical trials are ongoing. The president is one of only a handful of people outside those trials to undergo the treatment under what is known as "compassionate use".
I am aware that "compassionate use" is used for a range of medicines that somehow are know to provide a healing or mitigating effects yet have not undergone the full testing procedures. Obviously, people who suffer the illnesses that can be treated would recur to the black market or to other countries if denied their medicines at home and would be ripped off in the process.
That would be the perfect legal loophole to apply these high-cost not widely available medicines to specific people who can pay for them and have access to preferential treatment. I am thinking of two presidents now.
July 28, 2021, 08:22:14 AM
I personally think there are things (including various medications) that are not available to ordinary mortals. This does not necessarily mean that they are hidden from the public, but that their price is such that very few people can pay them. If you are powerful or important enough (like the president) then you definitely have the advantage of getting such a medicament.
As for monoclonal antibody therapy, it is ethically questionable in the first place because it uses fetal tissue cells (from abortion) and in 2019 the US authorities suspended funding for such research - but that does not mean that it is not funded by private money. Trump received that therapy as they say from "compassionate use".
As for monoclonal antibody therapy, it is ethically questionable in the first place because it uses fetal tissue cells (from abortion) and in 2019 the US authorities suspended funding for such research - but that does not mean that it is not funded by private money. Trump received that therapy as they say from "compassionate use".
Quote from: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54418464
Monoclonal antibody therapy
This is a combination of antibodies, made by the company Regeneron, which mimic our own immune response.
The antibodies physically stick to the coronavirus so they can't get inside the body's cells and they make the virus more "visible" to the rest of the immune system.
Regeneron's treatment was developed using cells derived from an aborted foetus, which are used to test the antibodies' ability to neutralise the coronavirus.
The Trump administration suspended federal funding in 2019 for future projects using foetal tissue from abortions. The cells used in Regeneron's treatment were from a foetus aborted in the 1970s, so predating that move.
Last week, the company published results on its website showing the cocktail reduced the amount of virus in the body as well as the time it took patients to recover. However, this was in people who did not need hospital treatment and the data has not been seen by scientists or doctors.
The approach makes scientific sense and there is huge hope it will be effective. However, the evidence in patients is still very limited and these monoclonals are still classed as an experimental drug - clinical trials are ongoing. The president is one of only a handful of people outside those trials to undergo the treatment under what is known as "compassionate use".
This is a combination of antibodies, made by the company Regeneron, which mimic our own immune response.
The antibodies physically stick to the coronavirus so they can't get inside the body's cells and they make the virus more "visible" to the rest of the immune system.
Regeneron's treatment was developed using cells derived from an aborted foetus, which are used to test the antibodies' ability to neutralise the coronavirus.
The Trump administration suspended federal funding in 2019 for future projects using foetal tissue from abortions. The cells used in Regeneron's treatment were from a foetus aborted in the 1970s, so predating that move.
Last week, the company published results on its website showing the cocktail reduced the amount of virus in the body as well as the time it took patients to recover. However, this was in people who did not need hospital treatment and the data has not been seen by scientists or doctors.
The approach makes scientific sense and there is huge hope it will be effective. However, the evidence in patients is still very limited and these monoclonals are still classed as an experimental drug - clinical trials are ongoing. The president is one of only a handful of people outside those trials to undergo the treatment under what is known as "compassionate use".
July 28, 2021, 12:59:58 AM
covid does not amplify existing life threatening disease
its actually for some of those that died. their existing life threatening disease that amplified the lethality of covid
its actually for some of those that died. their existing life threatening disease that amplified the lethality of covid
I'm going to quote you to see if he reads it because he has you on ignore but I don't know if he has me on ignore too. Anyway, I think trying to convince him is liike swimming against the tide. He does not seem very open to changing his beliefs in light of facts or rational arguments.
My query remains, is there a therapy that is very expensive, quite effective and personalised for each individual and available for just some people?
I find it hard to believe. The mortality of COVID is quite low, it is nothing like the black plague. There are many politicians and rich people who have had it with few symptoms.
The link I posted above talks about it being used for mild to moderate cases, which are cases that are not life threatening and usually pass like the flu. I don't see much point unless I am presented with evidence to the contrary.
July 27, 2021, 08:20:44 PM
Covid is only a health risk if it amplifies existing life threatening disease. Those diseases should be treaterd and prevented, and we should stop using a minor Corona Virus to distract us from the main threats to good health.
I can only imagine what you would say if someone got so off-topic in one of your posts. My query remains, is there a therapy that is very expensive, quite effective and personalised for each individual and available for just some people?
July 27, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
covid does not amplify existing life threatening disease
its actually for some of those that died. their existing life threatening disease that amplified the lethality of covid
in short. having a weakened immune means your immune is not fighting. and not being switched off more.
but by being in a weakened state already. its not putting up the same fight as someone with a good immune system. and so the virus gets to replicate more.. and cause more lung damage until you suffocate
the weakened immune system does not suffocate you. the replicating virus unhindered damages your lungs and suffocate you..
.. anyway to the topic question
yes some tribal clinics in africa do not have equipment to run tests on viral loads to see the progress of incubation or the progress of recovery
some tribal clinics in africa dont have the scans to see if lung damage is minor or severe.
some hospitals dont have the needed oxygen supply to cater to all patients at peak
some clinics/hospitals dont have the staffing to have 1 nurse per patient to cater to all the patients needs
some dont even have the bed capacity
covid can cause issues with other organs needing ecmo to oxygen the body. some hospitals dont have enough of these
yes when things get tense and there is a over crowding of hospitals. doctors do have to do triage and rank people on survivability and who deserves most care.
there are cases where the old and the frail have been put onto do-not-resuscitate orders. meaning they are left to succumb to the disease without intubation/life saving treatment
getting blood donations/platelet donation is a demand/supply problem aswell so in some cases yes its only given to those who need it most.
its actually for some of those that died. their existing life threatening disease that amplified the lethality of covid
in short. having a weakened immune means your immune is not fighting. and not being switched off more.
but by being in a weakened state already. its not putting up the same fight as someone with a good immune system. and so the virus gets to replicate more.. and cause more lung damage until you suffocate
the weakened immune system does not suffocate you. the replicating virus unhindered damages your lungs and suffocate you..
.. anyway to the topic question
yes some tribal clinics in africa do not have equipment to run tests on viral loads to see the progress of incubation or the progress of recovery
some tribal clinics in africa dont have the scans to see if lung damage is minor or severe.
some hospitals dont have the needed oxygen supply to cater to all patients at peak
some clinics/hospitals dont have the staffing to have 1 nurse per patient to cater to all the patients needs
some dont even have the bed capacity
covid can cause issues with other organs needing ecmo to oxygen the body. some hospitals dont have enough of these
yes when things get tense and there is a over crowding of hospitals. doctors do have to do triage and rank people on survivability and who deserves most care.
there are cases where the old and the frail have been put onto do-not-resuscitate orders. meaning they are left to succumb to the disease without intubation/life saving treatment
getting blood donations/platelet donation is a demand/supply problem aswell so in some cases yes its only given to those who need it most.
July 27, 2021, 05:18:51 AM
Covid is only a health risk if it amplifies existing life threatening disease. Those diseases should be treaterd and prevented, and we should stop using a minor Corona Virus to distract us from the main threats to good health.
July 27, 2021, 03:11:06 AM
I had not heard of it. If you're referring to Boris, I don't think they treated him with that:
"the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for bamlanivimab and etesevimab administered together for the treatment of mild to moderate COVID-19 in adults and pediatric patients"..."Bamlanivimab and etesevimab are not authorized for patients who are hospitalized due to COVID-19 or require oxygen therapy due to COVID-19."
Source: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19
Moreover: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as symptoms worsen
All conspiracy theories must be questioned. I am not saying that some of them are not true, but lately there are too many of them.
"the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for bamlanivimab and etesevimab administered together for the treatment of mild to moderate COVID-19 in adults and pediatric patients"..."Bamlanivimab and etesevimab are not authorized for patients who are hospitalized due to COVID-19 or require oxygen therapy due to COVID-19."
Source: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19
Moreover: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as symptoms worsen
All conspiracy theories must be questioned. I am not saying that some of them are not true, but lately there are too many of them.
July 26, 2021, 04:06:22 PM
I have heard rumours that certain people, including a president, were treated with monoclonal antibodies, a therapy that is not widely accessible and is extremely expensive. Anyone knows about this?
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