Topic: Do you think there is institutional manipulation of the Bitcoin price? (Read 736 times)

It is our own forum all of us are here to share our point of view so I think everyone should share positivity here because many new users use to come here so they can get dishearten with your wrong wording or with your misleading, all of us are well aware of it that bitcoin is power and power never get down, so bitcoin will never get manipulated by anyone we just need to support and help all of us to get better profit.

Yes there are media's and other philanthropist who are actually manipulating the market price by creating fake news and it is up for the people if they will become knowledgeable or will trade based on their emotions.

Well, I am absolutely sure that bitcoin and other crypto assets were manipulated by institutional traders and not once. I think it is clearly for every experienced trader. Of course, institutional traders use not fair methods of trading and actually retail investors are not protected against any manipulations. As far as I know crypto market is not under control by any organizations or commissions and the total market capitalization is quite small that is why institutional traders can easily manipulate market. On the other hand any other markets are also manipulated but may be much less than crypto market.

Why people don't get it that manipulation is happening here in crypto community?isn't it possible for this whales who holds large amount of bitcoin?if 3 or 4 whales agreed on one position theres no impossible for them to move the market to favor them,the roots of all is profit and these greed investors is the responsible for this actions

Of course, there is manipulation in every market but it it easier to do it with cryptos because of the lack of regulations by the government. 

I myself chose neutral for this, maybe on some occasions the price of bitcoin was manipulated by the whales or institution, and at other times the price of bitcoin changed naturally, I did not rule out the possibility of prices being manipulated, because all price changes depend on demand and supply right? bcause demand and supply can be arranged by whales

Well it is just a discussion forum, I wouldn't read too much into it. They just express their opinion and I honestly don't think anybody will just act upon reading somebody else's opinion without any sensible due diligence.

Of course some people are wealthier and some are poorer here, like everywhere else too.

I'm feeling like those guys who are above and having a great amount of money in Bitcoin are just manipulating us to sell what is our, and that they will be able to buy it for the last price before moon...

Recent events have shed light on several cases of BTC price manipulations by cryptocurrency exchanges, emphasizing the global absence of transparent price information. Institutional investors, in order to buy BTC and other cryptocurrencies, have to make sure that the price they are paying effectively represents the underlying supply and demand balance, and is not spoofed by malicious actors.

It's also detremined by positive and negative information. If there are mostly positive informations and prices are going down, then know that someone influential is playing with it.

I believe there would always be some bitcoin price manipulation going on at the crypto-currencies exchanges as long as there is financial benefits for the group of people who do it, but I believe even in the traditional stocks markets, there is also groups of people who are trying to manipulate certain stocks prices often, so I think this is something that we cannot control in the big financial world.

the only thing that has a big influence on price manipulation is whales. they are people who have started buying and holding bitcoin when prices are still people and when everyone doesn't care about btc. no wonder that now they have an important role in the movement of btc prices in the market because they possess the most assets. and if the price of bitcoin is affected by supply and demands, it is clear that whales are ready to manipulate prices whenever they want.

yes sure because if you see the chart of bitcoin you will see that whales are the one who can control the value of it they know when and how bitcoin will go up again so its not goood for all newbies so my advise is dont invest if you dont know about cryptocurrency .

I think there is, because this involves large transactions involving many people, most likely that there is a system that can manipulate the price of bitcoin, because everything happens online and anonymously. Who can ensure the truth of an information or data that includes prices or transactions is not a hacker? Because price manipulation occurs from time to time, it can cause sales / purchases desired by hackers.

The market has been very difficult to predict and unevenly. It is getting harder and harder for new entrants and is there any bad news for this market? Will the whales disappear? It is difficult to express emotions. However, you should be optimistic that it will stabilize the market is the place to live forever for generations.

Yeah, and it would not be that hard if there are group of whales doing so. It is always called rinse and repeat which they will keep making shit load of money from it and that keeps giving them a huge edge in the market even as things go on.
However, everything that is happening is just some form of emotional manipulation where you get to give people the impression that the market is mooning after loading up as a whale at the bottom, until you offload at the top, do the same process back down and the cycle keeps repeating itself.

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i think not, those loss you called was just part of the system, every year is distinctively different from one another, we cannot based the data last year to the present year, we have to consider the present competition on the market, a lot of coins from ICO are getting a percentage from the total market especially today, the demand for bitcoin varies every year also, but despite of those things to consider, we can see the improvement of bitcoin's data per year.

I do not really understand what institutions have controlled bitcoin, but there are certainly bunches of whales in controlling prices
I am very sure, Bitcoin is now very difficult to predict because of the whales

Yeah, so do you have an opinion on that or are you satisfied with just writing a generic shitpost that doesn't even answer the exam question in the title?

Since we know even less about who's buying bitcoin than who's buying stocks, it's kind of hard to tell if there's "manipulation" or not.  I guess you could tell by the volume and nature of orders on the exchanges (somewhat).  If there was a huge whale in the bitcoin market, it's quite possible that there could be buying or selling that ends up moving the market, but they probably wouldn't buy or sell on an exchange like Binance or wherever.  I don't think that's necessarily manipulation, which is why I used the quotes.  Personally I don't think so.  We've been stalled for a while now, and the last big movement was in the downward direction.  Short sellers?  Maybe.  I don't think most of us could even find that out, though.

I find it unlikely that we are going through some kind of manipulation, I mean it can happen but there is no need for it, any investor that had any genuine interest in investing in bitcoin is not going to invest after what happened at the beginning of the year and the huge crash that we saw so the price of bitcoin cannot grow since there is not any influx of new money entering in this market.

I am buying this arguments as it's obviously happening inside market,look at the prices we all see how they manipulate the prices to their benefits,whales are making this as their bread and butter having no care for others instead only tp favor them,lets hope that the us investigation may bring this to justice

Mainstream media really creates negative impact in cryptoworld especially if its negative news and the result is also negative to cryptocurrency. There is no Institutional investment yet, but manipulation is really possible for those big people that really wants to make bigger profit.

I do not think we have seen Institutional investors enter the market yet. Institutional Investor requirements have been reached yet and many have strict requirements before they enter. The market manipulation is primarily groups of individuals that take advantage of low liquidity in may crypto markets.

https://forexmarketslive.com/will-institutional-investors-save-cryptocurrencies/

Many people try to manipulate crypto by the market. the market is only beginning to form, but many institutional investors and governments have already realized the potential of crypto and want to enter the market on their own terms.

Some crypto holders they called that a "whale" just like a whale they manipulating the price of crypto and bitcoin as well. They have enough fund to take control of the mainstream media by continuing spreading FUD news that makes influence the market price. It has a big effect on the market cap price when FUD continue spreading and make it worst when weak hand holders decide their holding bitcoin to sell earlier that make whales happy.

Control the mainstream media, fud, influence the price, profit?

In the cryptocurrency market, many financial institutions generally use media public opinion to publish false (or little-known) information to cause BTC to rise or fall, and to achieve the purpose of manipulating BTC prices!
They have enough money to buy cryptocurrencies in large quantities and manipulate market prices!

I would like to 'safely' point out that the retail influence on the market in 2018 has never been this low.

The decline in the price was mainly caused by old hands cashing out, altcoin whales using BTC/USD pairs to cash out, and the manipulation that we are experiencing.

People quite often forget that altcoin whales cashing out do severely affect Bitcoin's price. Altcoin markets in no shape or form can even remotely handle semi large traders to cash out, so what's the only viable alternative left? It's using Bitcoin's liquidity to cash out, which as we can see has been exhausted already due to old hands dumping a certain part of their coins. In other words, Bitcoin's liquidity is being 'attacked' from plenty of different directions.

Well, they should open the investigation into large-scale institutional gold and silver price manipulation too!

Anyway, of course the price has been manipulated but I wouldn't connect it with any dark agenda, it is just a pump&dump scheme all the same that I have been seeing for almost 5 years now.

Yes. I believe there's institutional manipulation of bitcoin price.

Bitcoin price movement is unseen to be predicted.

I believe there is price manipulation in the bitcoin market, because for the past few months the bitcoin price has only touched the highest price at $9000. It could be that those who do not like bitcoin are willing to buy bitcoins in large quantities and they sell their bitcoins and keep prices down.

And I believe the bitcoin price movement in 2018 is pure by the users, I mean with a lot of bad news at the beginning of 2018 to make bitcoin prices continue to decline. So they will be reluctant to re-invest in the bitcoin market, or wait for the market to recover.

This is what I mean, many possibilities will occur when predicting bitcoin prices so that no one is able to focus on a single problem and just believe that it is the cause.

Investors and traders should be smart to learn the increase and decrease in the price of crypto. this is because I think the price of crypto is easily manipulated by a group of people who want to buy crypto at a cheap price and will raise the price until everyone buys it back at an expensive price.

bitcoiner is only about 1% of the total world population, i think it is a small amount. so manipulation is likely to occur, especially for those who have large capital, so it is easy to drive the price. because we know that price movement is influenced purely from sales volume and purchasing volume

I agree that the number of Bitcoin holder is limited, we are not taking about large cycle but still I think that the range of manipulation isn't that spread out. People are too much into conspiracy theories and want to beleive that Bitcoin is manipulated more than it actualy could be having in mind the technology that is based on and how the market is functioning.

it really hard to say this, but i think. all of that can be manipulation if someone have so much supply and play with the market price, just a whale i think that can manipulation this, but still a risk is to high for them too

There was , there is and there will always be institutional manipulation of Bitcoin prices. because bitcoins are in very limited hands. in my opinion Mining pools , exchanges , and big investors are beside bitcoin manipulation.

Fine, it is something we will just have to get used to and most especially an unregulated and decentralized market that is driven more by speculation than real life usage. Until we start getting to see real life usage as a currency with a lot of people using it for transaction globally and seeing the real need for it, this is something that we would keep seeing.

Now, everyone just wants to get rich overnight and that makes it very easy for bigger investors to drive and stir up some emotion in the market by some spike manipulation or downward ones to shake out weak hands, but it is just one of those things.

on the theory , the market price manipulation is possible to do , but in the fact so hard to make it happens , to manipulate the price (especially bitcoin  price )you need large people with huge capital , and make them has one purpose .

This issue has been tackled a lot of times of whether the price is manipulated or not and now there is already a formal investigation going on. We have yet to see what would be their decision. As or me, I believe there are whales in the market pumping and dumping the market all the time. How can someone explain then those buy and sell order of thousand of bitcoin from time to time. There are times though when it is a group of traders that has the same price order that's why it looks like a single entity that is doing it.

I've always made decisions based off greater sentiment, bitcoin is getting more and more popular. "The difference" this time over previous times is that instead of just asking about it and going "oh yeah that sounds cool", they're actually buying a small amount and trying it out. All their mates see them make a gain and want in, that drives the price, I know four people who last year were telling me bitcoin is stupid but are now holding BTC LTC and ETH. Obviously this drives the price up.

Is there a greater chance that this is what's happening (0bviously combined with some institutional buying) or, is it more likely that there is a global conspiracy of bankers who want to destroy bitcoin?

And if there is a global conspiracy, what is the solution? Sell all our bitcoin? To my mind the answer, as always, just fucking HODL. see where bitcoin is three years from now.

With AML BitCoin there is not. The market determines the price. This should make everyone comfortable.

Digital currencies price is not a fixed amount that it's original price is 20k dollars we all know that crypto currencies are very volatile that's why it quickly go down after it surge. But this price crashes has been very suspicious lately, i also read an article about price manipulation it's said that they're making fake volume trading to start an FUD and the recent hack in a korean exchange reportedly that there was 30 mil stolen but the total market loss of crypto was around i think 700 mil, cant really remember the exact numbers.

As what i have read about government plans, there are countries who will be creating some laws toward cryptocurrency investors but still the prices will not be manipulated by the government.

bitcoin, with extreme volatility, as everyone knows. we see that the large price fluctuations of the crypto money market with the largest capitalized crypto are now almost regular. this leads to quite a negative market pressure. the first question that needs to be asked as to why this price fluctuation is being investigated is, in fact, whether bitcoin is manipulated in price. we can not know without seeing such an action. So it is not easy to say for sure that bitcoin manipulation is done.

When something linger too long in thought, it then becomes the truth that an individual believes in. The issue of price manipulation didn't start today. What we are seeing now is giving credence to the various conspiracies of "whales" that have been spread in the market several times. For me, I try to stay objective to issues and so far there is no irrefutable evidence to show that this manipulation is happening, I rather not force myself to believe in conjectures. Thankfully, investigations have been launched and we just have to wait for the report, review it then pick a side based on that.

In my own opinion, the only reason for the price of cryptocurrency to be manipulated is through hackers just like the news last few months ago when some koreans try to manipulate the market price by hacking.

It looks like the majority consensus around here is that there is some kind of manipulation in the market. It may or may not

be institutional manipulation, but the signs are definitely there. I hope someone can identify the source of this manipulation

and the goal behind this. {Malicious or Profit} Let's see if the SEC's investigation will bear some fruit, so that we can go

forward with this experiment.

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Cryptocurrencies with a large market capitalization of around $300,000,000,000  is not free from institutional manipulations.  However,  as humans been we need to understand that we are living in a corrupted world and there is no way we would not have people and institutions that will not manipulating the market.

I think that no state institution can manipulate the market with crypto currency. The price is regulated by the market. Manipulations certainly exist. And they can make speculators. They can artificially create an agiotage and panic or spread untrue information that discredits the crypto currency.

I think the bitcoin decline is because there is so much bad news that bitcoin so bitcoin drops very sharply

There may be manipulation of bitcoin holders and markets.

 But it must be followed up not speaking because there is no fire if there is no smoke nothing is impossible only bitcoin holders and the market knows it.
They are planning something we do not know just wait

Nope because these institutions just like US had only concerns on their constituents engaging in this kind of investment. As we all know that this kind of trend might be used to any illegal transactions that involve illegal activities. So whatever governments decision and motion to regulate cryptocurrency then that is for the betterment of the investment.

I do not a new cryptocurrency that you can use to theirs, the right direction. I believe the market will be great currency someday, and technology. I believe in mythical man who has the market it to be wise to become one who has a new cryptocurrency. I even its own right now is to study the future

IT could also mean that there is an institutional manipulation of bitcoin market price. As we all know that in an investment like this it could be easily to take an advantage among others with. Like for example that is being stated above that US government has done some regulations on bitcoin then probably in my opinion that US could be one of an institutional organization secretly manipulating bitcoin market price and they are just making cover ups that they do not want just like we use to say big whales doing their normal activity and that is manipulating bitcoin market price.

I think those investors that has many bitcoin can manipulate the price but it's not enough to lower the price at this level. This situation is a results of the massive selling of bitcoin due to some negative news about the crypto. I hope that some good news will follow to shift back the situation and get enough momentum to make a good rally.

I think not from any institution that can affect bitcoin prices because bitcoin is a decentralized currency so no one can control. and I think this is purely from market demand and some things that affect the rise and fall of bitcoin prices one of them is a factor of news that is addressed in bitcoin.

Well bitcoin market is relatively small yet, so it's possible that some big whales, that bought during the price jump that happened when futures were launch, are now manipulating the market and taking profit from the futures market and these bitcoin sell offs. Nothing we can do about it, and our best approach, if we are not trading, is to just hold the coins. The problem is that most people just care about profit, so they see the price going down and just massive sell all their coins out of panic, or to simply buy them at a better price in the future.
These things will change in the future though, as BTC gets more adoption, and the market gets more liquidity.

I don't know what to think recently, and so I choose just to be patient and flexible in order to make a good reaction, and proper decisions while the things would collide.

I think there definitely is institutional manipulation over bitcoin's price AND tether is being utilized as a scapegoat / smokescreen intended to fool people into thinking crypto market manipulation ended in january 2018. Sad to say I can't prove it and have no real evidence to support my stance on this. Its been said south korea's heavy crypto purchasing volume played a role behind bitcoin's rise near $20k. Then inexplicably for no reason south korea banned bitcoin on a limited basis. Looking at the big picture, its almost as if a coordinated effort has been made to identify and shut down major players who fueled bitcoin's massive success in 2017 in an effort to push bitcoin's value down.

There have been many threads and posts made on this forum attempting to answer a question of what form of attack central bankers would make on bitcoin if they decided to pursue that course of action. Perhaps we're witnessing the answer to that in terms of the preferred means of attack being a strategy of devaluing bitcoin in an effort to kill confidence and end user belief in it.

Tether may be key to this. If in the future we find that tether is innocent and allegations against it made by the media were fabrications, then we might begin to have sparse evidence that there was a type of conspiracy or political agenda in play. Not only perhaps to defraud bitcoin's reputation and name but also to divert attention from real sources of crypto market manipulation--which may be defined today as being somewhat anti bitcoin.

Maybe theres no dark agenda,but there's surely price manipulation,this is not coincidence that prices has likely a price restrictions that if the target is this price,then it wont go down on that specific price ,looking on what is the step by step dropping of this coins is a proof that it was manipulated,and if you dont see that it wasnt my problem atleast i am not blind for not seeing this

for me, there are few people who are trying to manipulate the price of bitcoin in the market, but it doesn't trigger this downfalls that we are experiencing today, what really triggers the price correction if there is really such thing as the triggering factor is the trust issue of users regarding bitcoin hodling, many are affected by these kind of news, many panic sellers and users in short term investments. we all know that there are millions of small time users rather than big-time holders, if those million users act at the same time on selling their assets especially today, the market responds reciprocally. 

I agree with what you are saying. But one thing I want to add is that in order to manipulate this market, big investors have to shake hands together to do so because the market capitalization at the moment is not small.

 It can be absolutely happens that there were price manipulations, mostly who can afford to manipulate the price are only those big investors, because every prices on cryptocurrency coin are base on the total volume of stocks, and if stock market are too much higher it will result price dropping and likewise when crypto coins stocks are lesser it will also develops the price become higher because of too much market demand.

I think price manipulation can be happen if some one or some institution holding a lot bitcoin. Its hard to make manipulation in bitcoin trade because anyone can make transaction. News about price manipulation maybe just a manipulation from big firm to buying bitcoin at cheap price

Like in force, there are many traders that trade daily. Trying to buy the dio and sell in the rise. That makes for a pretty unstable price in a predictable manner. However the role of some sinister background guys cannot be ruled out

That is the problem with unregulated and decentralized market. It couod be easily manipulated. Then again, i. Think it's more like the sudden increase in investors and a huge back lash from all of it. It's more like a normal market tremd and not like a clock work manipulation. Then again, I'm new to this so take it with a grain of salt.

your opinion is very interesting and I am very interested in that, who can determine the bitcoin ready price that plays a big role here to be able to control the price is so big and global, find out about it is not difficult but also very difficult not easy to be sure many ask who the holder of that role, but I only get a bit positive where the price of bitcoin down of course altcoin prices will rise and vice versa instead of that which is usually done by the parent, the mother or parent altcoin is bitcoin, may be useful and successful for all of us

With AML BitCoin there is not. The market determines the price. This should make everyone comfortable.

Yes, we have already experienced that there was the artificial pump in the price in the last quarter of the last year and it was from the big whales and institutional investors. I believe that they are able to manipulate the price not because they have money but we don't have the maturity to deal with the volatility in the extreme conditions. Thus, any decisions from the institutional investors create FOMO in the market resulting in the price change.

I think its not right to always think there is manipulation whenever the bitcoin price or other crytocurrency are tanking. We shouldn't expect that price will always go up, otherwise, it is very dangerous. Cryptocurrency price increase in december 2017 was way too much, hence there is need for correction. So corection isn't manipulation, its a normal thing. No institution is manipulating the prices. 

I'm not going to say there's a manipulation done by a bunch of groups against Bitcoin's price, because I have no strong evidence for it, what I know is, the Bitcon price is heavily influenced by the Supply and demand that takes place within the Cryptocurrency exchange market.

Since the beginning of the year, interest in BTC has been declining, and judging by the requests of GOOGLE, queries with the word "Bitcoin" decreased by 75%.
But who is to blame: the bad news or something else, is unclear.
It is necessary to determine the reason for such a drop in interest. 

I think there is most definitely price manipulation anyone with 1000 or more btc can dramatically shift the market

We believe that. Bitcoin reaches a fairly high capitalization. To collect such groups. The problem is good and bad at the same time. Due to such artificial changes, many people do not want to use bitcoin as a means of payment, but I think the bitcoin is too big to be manipulated or influenced by a group of people. We are sure bitcoin will be stable at a certain price..

this is possible situation, indeed. there is something happening on the market, I think. and needles to say, that officials will never do anything unless they sure they can hit and catch someone.. something really shady here. I hope it will be sorted out anyway..

I do not think that price reductions should be associated with price manipulation over time.
The fall is perfectly normal and acceptable to know that we are reaching such heights in just a year. Scream 'manipulation' when successfully maintaining the same level while knowing that everyone wants to sell while nobody wants to buy. Also, it is not always the news that drives the crypto market.

With the current market cap of Bitcoin being upward of $131 billion, it is hard to think of any sort of price manipulation given the distribution of the currency. Yet, there have been many instances in the past wherein 'sharks' have dictated the price of Bitcoin, deriving utmost profit for themselves.

I wouldn't be that surprised if I found out that this was all a publicity stunt to calm the public since there has been a lot of talk about manipulation in the cryptocurrency market. I mean there is no way they can detect manipulation unless the exchanges are placing fake orders which is highly unlikely because there are a lot of them around and they are not connected to each other in any ways. and when individual whales manipulate the price by their huge orders (such as planned dumping) then that is not exactly a manipulation that you can put your finger on.

Believing that bitcoin is not being manipulated at the moment is foolishness because despite bitcoin's marketcap, some can still manipulate it not by pumping and dumping, but by trying to manipulate news itself. Oftentimes, a trader's opinion can be affected by FUDs and FOMOs and for this reason, I can certainly say that there is a manipulation in price(even if it is just a little bit).

I do hear people talk about pump and dump groups and how their activities affect Cryptocurrencies but I think bitcoin is too big to be manipulated or influenced by a group of people. I personally believe bitcoin is stabilizing and after that will stick to a particular price.

The ever-moving price wave is indeed an opportunity to profit from the margin we make. The bitcoin price will always be manipulated because it is indeed a Bitcoin characteristic. Some groups are taking advantage of it, with high financial capabilities it has made things like this will continue to happen at any time as long as Bitcoin has not received clear regulation from the government.

Long-term manipulation I think this is impossible
But for short-term volatility manipulation, I think whales might be able to
Of course, Bitcoin market prices will not be controlled for too long.

In general, if you look at any markets where there is a lot of capital, you can see there participation of the collusion, given the fact that large holders of bitcoins can be counted on the fingers, then it becomes obvious that the price for crypto-currency is regulated not by the market but by a separate group of persons interested in certain frauds.

Of course there is an intitutional manipulation. But it doesn't last. They just want to play with their money. https://youtube.com/watch?v=NvsgWeeGXig

yes definitely, I believe in it. Bitcoin reached a fairly high capitalization. In order to collect such groups. The problem is that it is both good and bad at the same time. Because of such artificial swing, a lot of people do not want to use bitcoin as a means of payment

Yes but if everyone it was manipulated to be in a state of FOMO then the same forces who did it might also be responsible to put the market in a state of FMTE - fear missing the exit. Hahaha.

I am sure some of you active traders have felt this happen to you.


I wish the forces of manipulation would manipulate it that way.


But it must be if the instutional investors can sell the market short. Which some of them were already in the market before 2017.

There is no other hidden agenda behind their actions. Those who have the ability to manipulate market now do so because it is the normal thing they are doing to gain massive profits from crypto(in this case bitcoin).
It is too early to say that institutions are not participating in the current manipulation of bitcoin price(because they like having control over things).

I Agree with Franky1! Bitcoin price is reasonable enough now. You can't think a high rate for the permanent time. Ups and downs is a nature of the cryptocurrency. So, 7400 USD is a little bit higher than usual, Everybody has the same hope for every month that bitcoin will pump this month, will pump after two months! But the fact is, we can't hope for a good price over the year. Bitcoin will pump once or twice in a year. No one knows when will happen that. The secret agenda, the big whale, can't control the total crypto market, they manipulate the price for a short time. Bitcoin price 7400 not for the secret agenda or like that., it's quite normal.

I think this is normal, and not a strange thing, you should know that the source of bitcoin decline in the day is triggered by high sales by the end of 2017. and this long correction is not happening before. if this correction happened every years, so, i think it is bitcoin price manipulation.

whales are the ones who can control the market, but other side factors also affect the volatility and market instability of today.

no institution manipulates the price.

I think that institutionals are already inside cryptos from many months, and more of them are coming. I imagine that those price drops are being manipulated to guarantee a smooth entrance for them

That's the opinion of what many hold, that some bigger hands are manipulators of the bitcoin price. But I don't think that is correct. Bitcoin price is determine by individual supply and demand.

In my opinion, perhaps because of the many negative sentiments to bitcoin this year. Thus, it is very influential on bitcoin prices. Hopefully, after the diminishing of those negative sentiments. Will again grow people's confidence in bitcoin, so it can trigger the increase of bitcoin price

I don't think that price drops should be attributed to price manipulation all the time. The growth to almost $20k isn't natural and we all know that it's mainly caused by FOMO and hype. The way it crashed is absolutely normal and acceptable knowing that we reached such heights in just a year. Scream 'manipulation' when it managed to hold that same levels while knowing that everyone wants to sell while no one wants to buy. Also, it's not always news that moves the crypto market; there are other factors that are quite unnoticeable by us trading noobs which forces traders to sell or collect profits. There are some form of manipulation, yes, but everytime the price goes in a crashing spree, I believe it's wrong to call that purely manipulation on the side of institutional investors.

I think all the same the stock market determines the final price of bitcoin and other alcaino. Yes,other factors and political and economic news of the countries also strongly influence the price.

OP, believing that there was no manipulation of any kind and form would be very naive. Bitcoin's history had a lot of of its share of unchecked and widespread price manipulation.

I believe there is no "dark" agenda except profit.

firstly
bitcoin 2016: never dropped below $300.. bitcoin 2017: never dropped below $900.. bitcoin 2018: never dropped below $6000
stop thinking th $20k is the norm and that anything below it is a beat down. flip your mindset and treat anything above $6000 as natural growth
..

secondly
for emphases. ther is NO downward spiral. the $20k was a bubble fluke of vapour speculation that didnt last long 99.9% of the community cannot use that $20k price for anything meaningful.
$20k was not "value". stop with the mindset of if it aint $20k+ then its negative. ..

thirdly
illegal manipulation of markets is only the process of exchanges with 'ghost' accounts(spoofing) with database balances made up of numbers that were not credited due to any deposits. inshort the value of those accounts are not real. but they then make orders to effect the price.


summary.
i do not beleive illegal manipulations has occured.
instead there has been some psychological trading techniques which have nothing to do with spoofing/illegal manipulation.
id say its 'emotional manipulation.. not illegal manipulation. because most exchanges would get their wrists slapped if they allowed spoofing

i just feel that day traders are just grabbing coins while at the bottom. making their 1-10% and then selling and rinse-repeating.
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the price is not being 'beaten down' its just stagnant, without speculative bubble hype. and staying around the real underlying support area of $6k-$9k where traders are making profits in the middle.
the support area of $6k to $9k can be found using chart data and maths, to show the 2 main causes of the support area. known as 'cost of obtaining'
which are. mining cost and buyers remorse where no one is foolish to sell below the cost it took to get the coin n the first place

again for emphasis. emphasising my first point at the top. the price is not being beaten down. if anything its stagnant/small growth from $6500 and natural profiting movements up and down.


that said ther was emotional manipulation in the winter of 2017 where it went upto $20k, but that manipulation is not really happening right now. and i beleive was never due to illegal spoofing

We have seen reports lately that the US Justice Department has opened a criminal probe into alleged price manipulation of

Bitcoin and other digital currencies. We have seen for months now that the Bitcoin price cannot get momentum and as soon

as there are positive signs that it is recovering, then it drops down again. In many of these instances there are no negative

news that would have triggered that downward spiral. There are also no Alt coins with significant growth during these times,

 for us to say that these Alt coins are the trigger behind this. The only logical conclusion for this is that someone or a group of

people are "killing" the correction phase of the Bitcoin price. 

Do you think there are some sinister agenda behind this or is this just Bitcoin whales doing their normal thing?