Topic: Do you want to create your own state? (Read 1571 times)

Many people think that ruling a country and state is easy. It is not easy. The people in power have limited sleeping in order to run a country. I know it looks dreamy to become a country's leader but it is too much tiresome and energy consuming. Only motivated people can do this.

This sounds like the beginning of some totalitarian society. Your 4th point is a little alarming. "People will not think of evil and would think of the right." How do you image you could control what people think of? It's an illusion that you could actually do that. What would you do to punish the people if they were to think of something evil? Wouldn't that punishment be considered evil? How would you actually be able to identify is somebody thought of something evil? Only if they acted on it?

I think its best idea ever create a country with people that have same ideology and with same core values ,because in many countrys you always have like two groups of people in general maybe even three and everyone of groups have diffrent ideology and its always some conflict between so we coould avoid that.We could do it first on small level like turn a neighbourhood in state with rules and regulations that people who live in agrees and than we can see if that have future for bigger states im sure if you have one little state with awesome laws and great economy population will start rising like crazy and maybe one day the hole state adopt the same laws

in thought yes a great idea. but one without education could hardly fulfill this idea , so much work would have to be done and everything has to b e so will thought out that it seems near to impossible. but we can design a state in theory, that would be interesting.

Underwater fortress lol......... 

A group of ultra wealthy individuals could build an island of relatively large size and create their own country.

I want to specify in what kind of country I would like, no would love to leave in it forever.

Here are the followings...

1. A country that value human rights.

2. Also a town that could have peace and no war.

3. A place that people would treat others the same.

4. People in the will not think of evil and would think of the right.

5. A town that would have a leader that will let people grow a life a good place to rich and no poor.

6. A world that would be perfect no madness.

Still this is what I want but I cannot make this happen on my own. Still we could make this happen if there will be a rigth order by the help of a leader and a guidance of the Creator.

In the end accept the world you are leaving in and be a good person who can change your city or the world and be a person that who can one look up to.

It is an alternative to what we have now. Alternatives are good. A society with no prisons means that people are more conscious than in our actual society. Prisons are not built for fun. I am sure the government spend lots of money on building them. Same thing for schools. Authorities do not build them for fun. If in a society, people are dangerous, they should go to prison. If the society, on the contrary, is well built, people are educated, then no need to build prisons or to be afraid. We fight crime because people are poor. Poverty is the actual problem of our system. Poverty and education are responsible for our problems. Do you agree?

I'm not sure if I would want to create my own whole state, but I have thought of things like this. There was a thread on here about seasteading. That's the closest thing I've heard of recently to somebody starting their own state from scratch. I remember about 10 years ago, ThePirateBay was trying to buy an island or something like that so they would be exempt to copyright laws. I don't think that worked out. For me, I think some thing much smaller scale would be better. I have many people in my life that I love, but, unfortunately, most of them are spread all over the world in different cities and countries. I've often thought that it would be really cool to gather all the people that I think are awesome and all like together in some sort of community.

This is highly possible. How? I've heard in the near future, technology will allow for virtual, augmented and mixed realities to create a new world. So yes, that state you just painted for us, that could be totally possible. Think virtual currency, jobs, no censorship and total democracy. I would love to live in that kind of world. What about you?

if i have to create my own state i will make women have more power over men. because i have seen in so many occasion women are treated wrongly ! i had a friend who was killed by her husband he said he killed her because he does't have money to feed them.

You can't "start" a country. There are many de facto States that would like the status of a country but that are not recognized by most of the rest of the world as such. Tawain is a good example which can sometimes provoke angry responses.  A lot of modern countries were started in the last century by way of liberation from their colonizers, mostly in Africa and Asia. If you could find a colonized country somewhere and liberate it and at the same time become its government, then perhaps you would be "starting" a country. Some people have tried to buy land and create their own laws such that rich business men can keep getting richer and richer and richer and the rest of the world can only stop them by declaring war on their "country," but I think that is one of those "we're going to build the tallest building ever" ideas.

This is actually an interesting question and one that is the frequent source of humor in international politics. I'm going to answer it from the point of view of what usually counts as ''a country'' regardless of the process of how you got there.  Whether you find yourself being a charismatic insurgent leader who has recently won a civil war, a group of people populating unclaimed territory or in some other equivalent scenario, when you actually start to be considered a country depends on several things and it's best if we start by throwing in a few distinctions.

We are currently living in the national sovereignty era as maintained through the United Nations.  Whilst periodically, there might be an upheaval and birthing of new nation-states, as following the collapse of the USSR; for the most, its the status quo that they value the most.  Hence, the difficulty for the formation of new nation-states, such as the failed Catalonian attempt to secede from Spain in 2017.

Where are you going to find the land to set up your new state?  Also, if your new state is going to intrude in any significant manner on the rights of established nations; rest assured they'll descend upon you like a pack of wolves.  Your 'no-prison' policy is a 'God-sent' invitation for them to send their agent provocateurs with nefarious intents.

You can start a ship-based state of course, but, it's going to be only a matter of time before international maritime pirates get their hands upon anti-ship rockets and missiles.  What are you going to do then, with a loaded gun held to your head?!

Its an idea of course, but its time, sadly has not yet come.  Hang around a bit, perhaps in a decade or two, or three, you might just get lucky.  Stay fit, stay healthy, stay intellectually agile; and you'll be good for harnessing the moment when it does eventually occur.

Quite idealist. What will happen to the ones whose IQ is below your standard?

Well, that's your opinion anyway.

I would like to be controlled by a blockchain and artificial intelligence. It would be interesting but probably would not be able to live long in such a society

Try to get read Oldos Haksli "Island",
After reading this we can consider buying a small island. It's price starts from 250,000 as I remember.

And where are you going to set up your state? As far as I know, 100% of the land area of this world is claimed by one country or the another. Only the deep ocean is left for you to establish your state.

No prisons? Sure about that? In that case what are you going to do with the criminals who indulge in violent crimes such as murder, rape, robbery and home invasion? And please don't say that such crimes will never happen in your country. It happens everywhere.

It will be good to have my own state where nobody can detect to me what or what not to do.I will like to have corruption free state and prevent people who usually take advantage of others from entering my state.My state will have only righteous people so that integrity will be the hallmark of all the citizens in the state.

Yes, I would like to create my state with trusted people. I think I'd always instead choose to be with people I can believe and trust rather than intelligent people that I don't know that they would run the state. And if a country has that kind of Senate, I would definitely live there because trust is what makes us together.

human nature that will never be satisfied is one of the major problems of some countries. if you establish a country do you get rid of that trait ??

No Prisons, No Censorship... Do you mean an automatic eliminated system? This is good idea, cool and awesome.

It is lovely to imagine that I am living in a state that has 'right' set of rules, with best people and with a great framework of living. But if I were to choose to live in that kind of state, I will choose to experuence that but not for a long time. I think that idea of living shows inequality and unfairness. We tend to discriminate people since we are only including 'best people' not knowing that we cpuld bring out the best in all people. If we choose to live within our comfort, we do not live at all. Because I think and I believe that the purpose of living is living way beyond your comfort zone. Nad our purpose wouldn't be fulfilled if we would chose the ones that are obviously wanted to be chosen. I wanted to create that ideal state but I guess the creation starts from deciding the right creation that is for the common good.

Creating your own state sounds like wonderful idea

but question is who pays for it
System needs to work , citizen services, protect the citizens and several other services a state needs to provide

and then it all becomes similar to existing state system.

it must be paid by taxes and then it brings all same older pain points.

So the better idea can be how to improve the current state of the "State"/"Country" we live in.

It is getting increasingly difficult to live in my country (India). Here only around 1% of the population pays income tax and these people are subsidizing the remaining 99%. The farmers don't have to pay any tax, and I see them showing off their wealth in the form of expensive jewelry and sports cars. I want to live in some country where the tax load is more uniform.

The big question is how viable is his idea of an independent state. The territory is disputed between Serbia and Croatia. Currently both the nations don't want to control this piece of land, but that doesn't mean that in future they may let it go.

If I become a billionaire from my Bitcoin holdings, then I would seriously consider setting up my own country in the form of a floating island somewhere in the Pacific or the Indian Ocean. But the question is whether the world powers will allow that.

Liberland is doing just that. A guy has found land near Serbia or somewhere there that is unclaimed for one reason or another. He is extremely pro crypto as well!

Are you mad? i never want to live in a country with no crime punishments

No because if such happens then all the time i have to have in my head the thinkings of state welfare only

I think i will not in a country that you are telling. If there is no leader, prison and everything is legal there will be chaos in your place. Noone can stabilize if there is chaos.

No, I am ok with the state where I live. But I can imagine and dream about it

in my opinion, I prefer a state that has rules to its people, because a country without rules will make the country weak and trivial in the presence of its people, with a country that lives by the rules that attract its people, it will make its people become disciplined and obedient to the rules so will make the country become stronger and more respectable by its people, therefore I prefer a state that has rules from a country that lives with no rules and absolute freedom

Yes i want to create my own state ruled genuinely by me only. Want some good and peaceful inhabitants too

Thinking to make a state is so easy but its a realy tough job to undertake really

Yea it was my wish to rule an area totally by myself

This is a great idea. There are no banks, no cash, people can use bitcoin to trade. Employment is mainly business bitcoin. And I will name that state as "bitcoin"

Absolutely, I would die for creating a country at my sweet will but I do not think that a country which does not have a prison or any laws would not be better place to live in . It should have laws and regulations .

Theres not much point in having your own country unless other countries acknowledge your existence. International recognition is what gives a country legitimacy in the international community and what ultimately distinguishes the New Zealands of the world from the Nagorno-Karabakhs. Naturally, though, the established countries are going to take some convincing. Recognition is quite complicated because it combines international law and international politics, Talmon says. Some people say that recognition is a purely political act. It is at the discretion of existing states whether they recognize, so there is no right to recognition.

Congratulations on joining the ranks of Transnistria, Somaliland, and a host of other countries that wont be marching at the Olympics anytime soon. Just because youve met the qualifications and declared yourself independent doesnt mean that youre going to be taken seriously. Even the Principality of Sealandlocated on a 10,000-square-foot platform in the North Seahas tried with mixed success to claim sovereignty under these qualifications.

As tempting as it might be to declare your cubicle a sovereign state, customary international law actually does specify minimum standards for statehood.

You must have a defined territory. You must have a permanent population. You must have a government. Your government must be capable of interacting with other states. (This one is somewhat controversial. It was included as a qualification in the 1933 Montevideo Convention, which established the United States good neighbor policy of nonintervention in Latin America, but is generally not recognized as international law.)

It seems I've encountered such a blockchain project which is an ecosystem imitating the society structure...
As for the question, I'm actually building my own state, this is my family and I do everything for everyone in it be happy and healthy, and all the citizens within this "state" are doing the same.

With Kosovo unilaterally declaring independence and a host of wannabe states looking to follow its lead, you might be thinking it’s about time to set up your own country. You’ve picked out a flag, written a national anthem, even printed up money with your face on it. But what’s the next step? Creating a new country isn’t as easy as you think.

If you are not interested in the hardships of building a country from scratch there are other options. For a bit under 1 billion USD you can become the proud owner and next prince of the Principality of Sealand

You would need recognition by the U.N Security Council who have certain quotas Those being
A Standing Government
Permanent Population
Real Borders
And Diplomatic Relations with other Countries

First to create a new country is either to partition an existing country and to give a new name another is to combine another one or many nation to become a new country and to give a new name. Thus there are only two process to create a new country then to get recognise in UN.

respect the law as a leader thinks best for his community

Its harder to create a country in this world and maintain it save from neighbours, then to change the world's whole political system into beeing that perfect country caled earth.
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Find some land that is not currently claimed by another nation or restricted by treaty (Antarctica).  I am not sure that there is any unclaimed land on earth so good luck.

I would really like to have my own state, and it will be my ideal state. In that state, I would implement the use of cryptocurrency rather than the use of Fiat system. Only the government will hold the cash because of transactions to different countries that doesn't accept bitcoin, because no matter how successful my state is, there will always be some resources that do not initially have.

If I could afford to buy an island, it would be my own country.

I myself was the king, making the system.

Not only prisons are inhumane and ineffective, they also punish whole population and not concrete offender (by underfunding infrastructure, schools, roads, healthcare etc).

   Well, money may solve a lot of problems but does not guarantie success. If you see your idea in so wide scale as creating new, even small, country then money has to be used in bound with power. Political interests are more important compare to financial.
   What about dwellers, well its possible to find great representatives of human race in low numbers, who may find basic consensus among themselves. But I dont think they want to fight against political power.
   Creation of community is more realistic scenario. People with money can buy some island and do whatever they want in there. I recommend 100-200 people for such purpose

I'm not just talking about the country. I'm talking about a country where only sane people will live. There is as yet no such country in the world.

There are more than 200 countries on this planet, and you want another one?
Most countries are huge failures, and they are on a destruction path, with growing deficits. It's better to learn to live without a country like I do.

No I don't want it, most likely it will create more confusions to people.

Yes, I would like to create my own staff
And be there mayor

I really dreamed about it in my childhood
Now I do not think I'm good in my today....

Not at all (-: Absolutely in all countries, demagogues and hypocrites are in power. Absolutely in all countries the majority of people are politically illiterate and can not choose worthy rulers.

There is nothing to choose from.

I see. But this is a question of acceptability of living conditions. I really do not like certain moments in the life of my country. But I understand that this can not be corrected. Because this is the mentality of this people.

There are many countries and cityes, you always can choose what you want

Kill or deport depending on the severity of the deed. Or other forms of punishment. Why keep a person in a cage? What's the point of this?

For me i have no right to create my own state because I don't have a power for it I'm a simple kind of a citizen in my country

If you make a country without prison and punishment, I can not imagine how the state can stand. and how the state can be just for every citizen.

The latest people who tried creating their own country are currently on a self imposed exile and seceding from a country takes a lot of money and most of the time it is very violent, sometimes war are fought in order to achieve it and i simply think that it is simply not worth it.

No prisons? So all the murderers, rapists, robbers etc. will be on freedom?

Thank you for understanding! Indeed, there are many other opportunities besides prisons. Prisons are a barbaric remnant of the past.

Yes, it sounds very reasonable, thank you.

Separating the "grain from the chaff" (-: we initially will not do it at all - just a simple desire to participate in this is a good indicator in itself. In addition, desire is an indispensable condition, without it - in any way.

Then, as the community grows, we will jointly develop some simple tests. This all is solved. Many of us are programmers. We are used to solving similar tasks while writing programs. The main thing is to find the basic consensus among themselves. Basic unshakable principles.

And about other governments ... we'll just buy them. Why invent something? They are all corrupt. We will give them a little money - they will give us a piece of land under the state. We can do this, for example, in Haiti. Haiti is a completely poor country, there it will not be very expensive.

All right. Each of us has not enough strength to do this one by herself. For this, we need a blokchain and the Kittycoin project (-:

I'm looking for like-minded people around the world. I have long wanted to do this. But there were no tools. But recently I learned about the blockchain, and I realized that this is it.

We can make a direct e-democracy without falsification. And much more.

I completely agree. But it is prisons that are not an indispensable attribute of punishment. For small faults - public repentance and compensation for damage. If a person is openly anti-social - deportation. For terrible crimes - death. It is quite possible to do without prisons.

So the fact is, that in our country will not be all who are insane, as it usually is. But those who pass certain filters. In other words: reasonable people CAN build a reasonable society.
 

...Separate the "sane" from "insane" will be together, on the basis of consensus. Blokchain (-:

Not a "worthy" but the "sane".

1. IQ above 110
2. Do not use drugs (including cigarettes and alcohol) systematically.
3. Does not lend itself to propaganda by "fakenews".
4. Loves cats (-:
5. Is creative.
6. Can communicate and negotiate with others.
7. Something else.

Government officials are not the God and must have the same rights with you!

Restitution model that really worked in Icelandic Commonwealth is much more effective and humane than prisons.

   This is great idea, but it is utopia. Best representatives of the human race dont need police, censorship or any other limits surely, but who they are? How will you find them among all of us? People may pretend to be anyone to get scores they need.
   Besides which authorities or state let people to create such country, what is their interest? People in power are not best but strong and smart representatives of the human race, and they wish to keep their power forewer

Hmmm..  No prison , no law without punishment...

No I can not create I don't have any power to create my own state I have my leaders to follow and rules and regulations to follow as s citizen of my state

The most right laws are those that don't change and don't correspond for a president / leader of the country all the time.

I think you're being a bit too idealist sweetie. That we still have a lot of problems mean we still haven't found the "right" laws, or else we'd be living in a perfect society.

No prisons? You're putting too much faith that people would act their best. That there are communities where prisons go unused doesn't mean that would apply to everyone.

You are talking about smth utopian. How will you divide people to worthy and unworthy ones?

Hmmm...

1. I agree. Rights should not depend on sex. Although from the point of view of biology, females are more important for the population than males. Because they give offspring.

2. I agree. Marriage is a religious concept. At the level of the law, fundamentally new forms of legalization of relations are needed.

3. I agree. But lawsuits should not be used as a means of political pressure.

No, not anarchy. There must be both a government and a court. But, for example, prisons can be replaced by deprivation of citizenship and expulsion from the country. And the system of penalties (if there is real damage).

I repeat the idea: to gather in the New State only sane people. The rest let them live where they live.

No prisons and no censorship..do you think it is right laws? Will it be anarchy? People have to be governed, otherwise there will be arbitrariness.

The idea here is as follows: to gather the best representatives of the human race (we are ) within the framework of a single project-state. Set RIGHT laws (no prisons, no censorship, etc.) - would you like to live (at least sometimes) in such country?