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Quote from: pooya87 on December 08, 2024, 01:39:55 AM

Critics? No.
FUDsters? Yes.

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

To me, Bitcoin Fur isn't even FUDS anymore, I take every Fudsters as Bitcoin buyers, they are looking for opportunities to buy is why they are using FUD, unfortunately for them FUD on Bitcoin isn't that effective anymore unlike 2018 days.

JP Morgan exposure to Bitcoin was way earlier than MicroStrategy, they would have been one of the most successful today if they did what MicroStrategy is doing now, I believe they had the chance to buy lower and now worth Billions of dollars, even while they are buying it was not as big as What others are buying today, I guess there was a part of them who still doubts Bitcoin.

What a shame.

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Quote from: davis196 on December 10, 2024, 02:08:58 AM

Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

We have seen several instances of people criticizing bitcoin publicly with some saying it was never to be trusted and others saying it was going to zero. The list of these people is long with Nassim Taleb the "black swan" man and Janet Yellen as two of the notable critics. For those that want to know some of them and what they have said about bitcoin, Red Bull website gave a short list of some of them.

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Why should we even care about Bitcoin/crypto critics apologizing? They have their own opinions and that's fine.
Some people are going to change their opinions about Bitcoin, while others won't. The belief that the BTC price will go down to zero at some point in the future will remain forever. The question is when will BTC become worthless and useless. After 20 years or after 100 years?
I highly doubt that there are delusional people, who think that Bitcoin would continue to exist forever. Everything in this universe has a beginning and an end. We don't know when and how Bitcoin will end it's existence.

Would say on the same thing on which they havent done something on which they will really be needing to apologize. We are all speculators here on this market and we can say on whatever we want. Its neither be positive or negative then each one of us will really be having their own views and perspective towards Bitcoin. For those who are critics then it will really be just that depending on them whether they will become that supporters if ever they do get convinced on the potential of Bitcoin specially now that it do able to create new all time highs. We do know that it cant be called a market if we dont have those bashers or negative thinkers and the worst is into those who do love to make FUD. This isnt really that new anymore on which this market will really be having those set of critics and to those who do love on trying out to make up some fud just because they do just simply hate it.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on December 10, 2024, 01:52:47 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on December 08, 2024, 01:39:55 AM

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

But a large part of critics will not publicly make up their mind about Bitcoin either because it takes a big hit to the stomach to publicly confess that you were stupid and wrong. And ego plays too much of a role for many of the critics. They are too vulnerable and little in their own mind to ever admit their constantly repeated words about Bitcoin being a Scam were a big Bull Shit all along.

Their pride in the past will kill their future gains.
It would be their loss, so no matter what, at least we understand that they would be wrong in the long run.
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Quote from: fullhdpixel on December 10, 2024, 12:51:23 AM

Quote from: bettercrypto on December 08, 2024, 11:41:01 AM

The answer for the title made by op is NO! We have seen many like that before, just like other countries that banned Bitcoin before but later they also revoked it and the best thing about it is that they have even adapted the concept and features of Bitcoin until now.

Then it's just like politics where your former enemy politician can become your ally, and your ally now can become your enemy later because he is your opponent in politics,
the same goes for this field industry.

Critics can come and go. As for the old critic, it may be possible for them to be talked about again. Critic is like a light talk only or a rumour and it is different from those countries that banned BTC for real. It might still start as a critic though before things get serious but that does not matter anymore. What is only important now, is that a lot of countries that banned BTC before, are now allowing it again. We can only hope that another critic won't start which can lead for them to ban BTC again. I can say this, because I think there are some countries that went on that confusing phase/state. I can only wish that they will find their peace soon (preferably just adopt BTC forever).

Govs will probably keep banning and unbanning it, until they realize in full what they lost by skirmishing with it like that.
By that time it would be pretty late for the party, but it still would be a welcomed development from them.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on December 10, 2024, 02:14:58 AM

Quote from: davis196 on December 10, 2024, 02:08:58 AM

Some people are going to change their opinions about Bitcoin, while others won't. The belief that the BTC price will go down to zero at some point in the future will remain forever. The question is when will BTC become worthless and useless. After 20 years or after 100 years?
I highly doubt that there are delusional people, who think that Bitcoin would continue to exist forever. Everything in this universe has a beginning and an end. We don't know when and how Bitcoin will end it's existence.

There are people who think Bitcoin will continue to exist, and I am one of them. Not FOREVER though, that is stupid. Maybe. Or maybe not. Every thing is likely if we think centuries.

But maybe Bitcoin is actually going to truly revolutionize Fiat and become the base Currency for many centuries. There are things that we are using and doing every day that started hundreds of years ago.

What you see as delusional may be a possible thing to me or others.

The most important thing is that we understand why BTC has its potential in the centuries to come.
And nobody denies its bright future for at least these decades or centuries.
A person can't look into the future, it's foggy the more time is passed speculating on the further points in time.

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Quote from: knowngunman on December 10, 2024, 02:56:37 AM

Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Are we going to be bothered forever over the critics opinion? Is their public apology necessary? Will Bitcoin fail without their apology? As long as the answer to these questions is NO, there's no essence anticipating their apology.

I think the more we discuss about them, the more public attention they get. Bitcoin is proving them wrong on whatever they choose to believe year in year out. Some critics don't want to take back their words due to pride or probably still belief their expectation will come to reality. The important thing is that while they keep on criticising, we keep making benefit.

Yeah, I agree.
Of course, it's good to have a laugh here and there, but most of the time, they search this kind of attention.
That's their bread and butter. They want to be heard.
Better to just leave them as they are.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Are we going to be bothered forever over the critics opinion? Is their public apology necessary? Will Bitcoin fail without their apology? As long as the answer to these questions is NO, there's no essence anticipating their apology.

I think the more we discuss about them, the more public attention they get. Bitcoin is proving them wrong on whatever they choose to believe year in year out. Some critics don't want to take back their words due to pride or probably still belief their expectation will come to reality. The important thing is that while they keep on criticising, we keep making benefit.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Public figures or critics will never publicly admit that they are wrong lest they just make a fool out of themselves. The ones I have seen acknowledge the fact that their predictions are wrong, still stand by their opinions and have no plans on buying any bitcoin. Or so they say. It’s embarrassing to be so wrong about something and if they want to keep their credibility and reputation, they will never walk in front and say that they got it wrong with bitcoin.

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Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Rick Wurster, the incoming CEO of Charles Schwab, said that he feels silly for not buying bitcoin earlier. Afaik, he never criticized bitcoin back then but surely he didn’t believe in it either and he now feels a bit regretful of not doing so.

Financial Times criticized bitcoin before saying that it was inconvenient and just relied on hype. They acknowledged the rise of bitcoin at a recent “applogy” for holders that they posted. Their opinion doesn’t change but the apology is more for the holders who lost an opportunity because of them.

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Quote from: davis196 on December 10, 2024, 02:08:58 AM

Some people are going to change their opinions about Bitcoin, while others won't. The belief that the BTC price will go down to zero at some point in the future will remain forever. The question is when will BTC become worthless and useless. After 20 years or after 100 years?
I highly doubt that there are delusional people, who think that Bitcoin would continue to exist forever. Everything in this universe has a beginning and an end. We don't know when and how Bitcoin will end it's existence.

There are people who think Bitcoin will continue to exist, and I am one of them. Not FOREVER though, that is stupid. Maybe. Or maybe not. Every thing is likely if we think centuries.

But maybe Bitcoin is actually going to truly revolutionize Fiat and become the base Currency for many centuries. There are things that we are using and doing every day that started hundreds of years ago.

What you see as delusional may be a possible thing to me or others.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

We have seen several instances of people criticizing bitcoin publicly with some saying it was never to be trusted and others saying it was going to zero. The list of these people is long with Nassim Taleb the "black swan" man and Janet Yellen as two of the notable critics. For those that want to know some of them and what they have said about bitcoin, Red Bull website gave a short list of some of them.

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Why should we even care about Bitcoin/crypto critics apologizing? They have their own opinions and that's fine.
Some people are going to change their opinions about Bitcoin, while others won't. The belief that the BTC price will go down to zero at some point in the future will remain forever. The question is when will BTC become worthless and useless. After 20 years or after 100 years?
I highly doubt that there are delusional people, who think that Bitcoin would continue to exist forever. Everything in this universe has a beginning and an end. We don't know when and how Bitcoin will end it's existence.

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 08, 2024, 01:39:55 AM

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

But a large part of critics will not publicly make up their mind about Bitcoin either because it takes a big hit to the stomach to publicly confess that you were stupid and wrong. And ego plays too much of a role for many of the critics. They are too vulnerable and little in their own mind to ever admit their constantly repeated words about Bitcoin being a Scam were a big Bull Shit all along.

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I quite agree with what @Pooya87 said because most of those who act as noisemakers in order to devalue bitcoin in the past were literally doing it on purpose because some of those critics actually saw the credibility of bitcoin but were actually trying to cause confusion among bitcoin investors so that they can sell their bitcoins and the price drops then from there, they take advantage of it and buy bitcoins at DIP prices. We should understand that not everyone who came open to condemn bitcoin are actually critics. Some did it on purpose to take advantage of market conditions. And just like Pooya87 said, some of their motives was to cause fear, uncertainty and doubt among investors while they themselves already has stash of bitcoins in their portfolios.

I think it is needless to ask for list of bitcoin critics in the past, Perhaps they are seeing the growth in bitcoin now so they will be very shameful and afraid to even say anything concerning bitcoin in public again and i can tell you that some of them are secretly holding bitcoins.

Quote from: pooya87 on December 08, 2024, 01:39:55 AM

Critics? No.
FUDsters? Yes.

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on December 08, 2024, 11:41:01 AM

The answer for the title made by op is NO! We have seen many like that before, just like other countries that banned Bitcoin before but later they also revoked it and the best thing about it is that they have even adapted the concept and features of Bitcoin until now.

Then it's just like politics where your former enemy politician can become your ally, and your ally now can become your enemy later because he is your opponent in politics,
the same goes for this field industry.

Critics can come and go. As for the old critic, it may be possible for them to be talked about again. Critic is like a light talk only or a rumour and it is different from those countries that banned BTC for real. It might still start as a critic though before things get serious but that does not matter anymore. What is only important now, is that a lot of countries that banned BTC before, are now allowing it again. We can only hope that another critic won't start which can lead for them to ban BTC again. I can say this, because I think there are some countries that went on that confusing phase/state. I can only wish that they will find their peace soon (preferably just adopt BTC forever).

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Critics can have a change in their opinions, but they probably don't consider it important to express it publicly rather they would keep their changed opinion to themselves and will sometimes continue showing negativity in front of the public but have their opinion changed. Who knows? Those who criticize Bitcoin might have always been hoarding Bitcoins in the back, but the public never knew about it because it's easy for someone to buy and store Bitcoin without letting anyone know, that's the beauty of this technology.

I wouldn't believe it if someone told me that these critics have never bought or even thought of buying Bitcoin because for people who dislike something, they would prefer ignoring it and spending their time on things that they consider of being more valuable and worthy of their attention. So if someone is paying so much attention to something, it means they are somehow attracted to it, and an attraction cannot be negative though it can be demonstrated that way.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

I haven't seen any of these critics apologies publicly. I'm not even sure if it will be that easy for someone who have make some criticism statements to apologize publicly. Only few that's got the guts can do that without shame.

I personally don't even pay much attention to these critics because I believe that some of them are looking for ways to prevent people from associating with Bitcoin, while they themselves are investing heavily. I just have this strong feeling that some of these critics (if not most of them), have sidelined some Bitcoin for themselves, but choose to continue criticizing because of the shame that will come after admitting their mistakes.

It's just their strategy I guess, because no person on his/her right state of mind, will see Bitcoin rise from 0 to $100K, and still see or think otherwise.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind?

There are two kinds of critics to me: those that can change and those that will never change but will continue to find new reasons to criticize. For the category of critics that can change their opinions, it is not everyone of them that will be mature enough to publicly apologize too as they publicly criticised bitcoins because that requires a level of maturity; some will just have a change of opinion and abandon their criticism. It would have been actually very good if every popular critic of bitcoin could issue a public apology, because that would help some of the people who see them as mentors and have adopted their opinions of bitcoins to know that the opinions they adopted from their mentors were wrong; it would help them change.

The secret change of opinion from a critic without public apology is not helping some of the people who have adopted their opinions know of the change. As a result, some of them can keep holding on blindly to these opinions.

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It all depends there’s going to be plenty of people like a Warren Buffett, who will always be skeptics because they are dinosaurs who are unwilling to even educate themselves enough to fully understand how bitcoin works. For some people and Andreas says his best. It goes against the norm and that that’s enough to make them a skeptic for the rest of their lives no matter what it said or what they learn

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

We have seen several instances of people criticizing bitcoin publicly with some saying it was never to be trusted and others saying it was going to zero. The list of these people is long with Nassim Taleb the "black swan" man and Janet Yellen as two of the notable critics. For those that want to know some of them and what they have said about bitcoin, Red Bull website gave a short list of some of them.

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Hmm, it's strange but I still can't believe what's happening in the world now. Bitcoin ETF is attracting more and more money and in new terminologies Bitcoin is called digital gold at the legislative level in the USA! And it's incredible. Trump said that he will save the US economy through Bitcoin, so we can really boldly say that Bitcoin can save the world from economic troubles. What we didn't dream of yesterday has become a reality today.

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Pride is a big issue for many people. Some individuals are readily to criticize something in public, but when it comes to apologizing or changing their previously held stance about something, their pride often holds them back.

This scenario is evident among those who once criticized Bitcoin. It can be challenging for them to admit they were all wrong in their negative assessment of Bitcoin. Instead of openly apologizing, they may gradually soften their stance or acknowledge Bitcoin's potential over time. However, openly apologizing for their previous position on Bitcoin seems unlikely for them to do. By the way who cares about their apologies? No one.

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Quote from: FortuneFollower on December 09, 2024, 09:15:40 AM

BTC is there to stay whether they like it or not.
And I love that about btc. It's not bound to the views of such people, big or small.
Because in the end - much of the space around it believes in it and its credibility.

We all know that bitcoin has come to stay and nobody can stop it again and everything is working fine. And those critics will only criticize and get tired because they can't do anything about the progress of bitcoin. And when bitcoin will be getting higher and higher every year. And once the adoption rate is higher than the present adoption, then many of those critics will also join the investment. One of the best thing about bitcoin is the decentralized system in which third party can't control your bitcoin so their criticism end within them and has no effect in the public because upon all their criticism every day. Bitcoin adoption is on the high.

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Quote from: Agbe on December 09, 2024, 08:45:28 AM

Some of those critics still believe that bitcoin can't without the test of time. But Bitcoin has disappointed many of those critics. They can't come out again and publicly say Bitcoin is foe scammers. They have seen the people testifying the goodness of bitcoin so their mouths are shut down. And now that the price of bitcoin is rising to another peak and the US president is supporting Bitcoin then they will see my re adoption of bitcoin and they can't come out again. I have not seen them for a very long time now even in the forum. Though in any good project, there must be a strong opposition but once the project proves itself to them that it is not fake then they would withdraw their allegations.

BTC is there to stay whether they like it or not.
And I love that about btc. It's not bound to the views of such people, big or small.
Because in the end - much of the space around it believes in it and its credibility.

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Quote from: Akbarkoe on December 09, 2024, 09:05:33 AM

The average critic of the Baby Boomer generation, they do not like the development of technology and they are very difficult to extract the development of the times into their more revolutionary minds for the latest industry that solve previous problems.

We know that they blaspheme because they do not have openness and they remain in principle, for example Warren Buffet, even though I idolize it because of its good and consistent abilities in investment is very great, but in one way bitcoin, he put aside the opportunity to increase his wealth far more more Quickly in a matter of years, and I'm still waiting for him to say that Bitcoin will not go to zero. LOL

Buffet and others like him are tough nuts to crack.
And do they need to be cracked at all?
Their loss is not ours.
We are in for the future with BTC.
And that is what matters.

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The average critic of the Baby Boomer generation, they do not like the development of technology and they are very difficult to extract the development of the times into their more revolutionary minds for the latest industry that solve previous problems.

We know that they blaspheme because they do not have openness and they remain in principle, for example Warren Buffet, even though I idolize it because of its good and consistent abilities in investment is very great, but in one way bitcoin, he put aside the opportunity to increase his wealth far more more Quickly in a matter of years, and I'm still waiting for him to say that Bitcoin will not go to zero. LOL

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Some of those critics still believe that bitcoin can't without the test of time. But Bitcoin has disappointed many of those critics. They can't come out again and publicly say Bitcoin is foe scammers. They have seen the people testifying the goodness of bitcoin so their mouths are shut down. And now that the price of bitcoin is rising to another peak and the US president is supporting Bitcoin then they will see my re adoption of bitcoin and they can't come out again. I have not seen them for a very long time now even in the forum. Though in any good project, there must be a strong opposition but once the project proves itself to them that it is not fake then they would withdraw their allegations.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

The answer is NO. Giving the answer as NO is only on the basis of general validations but meanwhile there are those who would remain critics even till the end of time. Majority of investors currently habitating the market were part of the critics, another question to be asked is where are those multitude of people who criticized Bitcoin when it started, are they all dead? most of them who had something bad to say later got the knowledge and accepted, they do not necessarily need to come out public to give accounts but silence from their ends can prove a lot.

Bitcoin moved from $0.1... now at a $100K per coin, this is already enough to send them back hiding or accept the wrong perspectives they had earlier.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

We have seen a phase where Bitcoin critics are starting to diminish and acknowledge Bitcoin. So it's just a matter of time as Bitcoin grows with adoption where we will see those critics swallow their own spit. There is no need to rush and instead we should be grateful that we can still witness the phenomenon of critics who are starting to lose their arguments. We still need those critics to be a balance, right? Grin

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Such people are called nonconformists. However, this does not imply that they hold a firm opinion that remains unquestioned. People like to be consistent, but in those moments when it is worth accepting another point of view, such people show stubbornness, sometimes bordering on stupidity. Although in life such people are too vain, I do not believe that they are honest with themselves. And it is difficult for us to know about this, but we can think that seeing today's price and growth of bitcoin, they also secretly have some reserves somewhere. Admitting their wrongness is typical of strong people.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

They don't have to say any public apology because action speaks louder than voice. I remember I made a thread about Jaimie Dimon bashing Bitcoin in 2018 but look, he turned out to be a crypto folk as well as his company. And that's why that's probably his way of saying a public apology and that's through adoption and putting his money where his mouth is.

Quote from: tabas on April 11, 2018, 05:23:15 PM

I'll summary the sequence;
1. Called bitcoin a fraud.
2. Bought at dip
3. Regret calling bitcoin a fraud.
4. Overcharged cryptocurrency purchases.

The lesson here for those who are keep on spreading FUD in the forum about negative news. Try to learn and understand this technique made by Jamie Dimon. (Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan)

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

I don't think that there will be critics that will suddenly change their heart and make a U-turn or even became a Bitcoin investors. That's human nature though, individuals opinions is very hard to change even if all evidences pointed out that they are wrong.

It could be good if we hear someone, but at this age of social media, they known that they will be trolled and that they can't accept. So be it, it's not that we can't go to sleep if this people will go and critics Bitcoin forever. It's there problem not others and so I won't be affected by them. And the more that Bitcoin goes higher, the more this people might felt regret.

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For certain reasons, no. Nothing is constant except change. They might be the worst bitcoin critics for now, but eventually when they’ve seen and proven that there’s more to bitcoin compared to other assets or currency, obviously they will change their perspective for a good reason. Just think about Trump, imagine how he used to critic bitcoin before and say all those annoying things about bitcoin. But look at now, he became a strong advocate for bitcoin, be it politics or not, still we have seen how he changed his perspective on bitcoin.

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They say the only thing that is consistent in life is change. Change is the one thing that remains constant in life.

Critic or not, your subject to change in the near future, in as much as your living and being exposed to ideas. People seem to be stiffen in their ideas and thought patterns because they don’t know any better. Anytime they research or do some findings about a course, they don’t do it as a whole to find hidden truths but, for ideas that supports their course.

One thing is,
They would eventually miss out on many innovations that would have better their lives and themselves then, they would seek means to come in at a much higher price. It comes around and yeah, people can’t be rigid in ideas except, they’ve got nothing to lose and are okay where they are!

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As a matter of fact an open apology or acceptance is not necessary, they should continue whatever they preach even if going against bitcoin since those negative words never affected bitcoin. Hidden acceptance can be done without the public concept, for those who followed those words can see clearly for themself unfortunately they can start from somewhere. The power of influence is so strong seeing how it has affect a lot of people basically preventing them from investing although I hardly create time for such news like against bitcoin and more. They’ll never accept the fact that’s just the honest truth, fear of what the public might say definitely bitcoin enthusiasts are making fun of them already.

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If they don't change their mind, who cares? That's the thing I've come to understand about life. Not everyone will be on the same sides no matter how good one side will be. That's why we have:

— different clubs.
— different religions.
— different personalities.
— and above all, different currencies including Bitcoin.

Most bitcoin critics will not change simply because if they backtrack on their critisms and concede defeat, they lose some of their reputation and street cred from their fans and everyone who believed in their critisms and fuds. That said, most of them will stay the course.

Critics and Fudsters won't change for the same reason why Craig Wright won't stop claiming to be satoshi.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

We have seen several instances of people criticizing bitcoin publicly with some saying it was never to be trusted and others saying it was going to zero. The list of these people is long with Nassim Taleb the "black swan" man and Janet Yellen as two of the notable critics. For those that want to know some of them and what they have said about bitcoin, Red Bull website gave a short list of some of them.

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Apology for what, no one need apology from them, and I pray that they overcome their individual web of lack of knowledge and the tendency to give a concluding assumption on Bitcoin future, such critice will never change their way, their will always have something bad to write about Bitcoin, their aim is to stereotype Bitcoin and painting Bitcoin in a bad light, so no one give a dem about them Lmao.
I have stopped reading anything coming from anti Bitcoin advocate and all I care about right about now is how well I can manage the risk within Bitcoin and to sustain my positions as I keep accumulating more Bitcoin no matter how small it could be.

Most of those that publicly speak against Bitcoin, have all invested in Bitcoin in the secret but in public, they make Bitcoin look very dangerous for the newbies who have low or no knowledge about Bitcoin and this have being affecting only those who listen to those rumors monger's and hypocrisy preacher, majority of them have large Bitcoin starch in tye secrets, but attack Bitcoin publicly.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Before I came to this post, I went to another post which provided us with a link to a person named Peter Schiff talked about not to buy Bitcoin or something like that, the video was 20 minutes long and I lost interest on minutes 5.

Then I went to google to search up this guy, then I found another recent video of him. Does Peter Schiff Regret Not Buying Bitcoin?

Here you go, friend. Probably this is what you are looking for.

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Critical thinking individuals who were simply frightened of the idea? No. Egomaniacs who thrive by spreading misinformation they regard as absolute truth and who cannot tolerate the thought of being wrong? Yes.

Many think bitcoin is an IQ test, but it is actually an ego test. Early adopters who hodled to this date didn't do so because of their intelligence. They did so, because of their humility.

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The answer for the title made by op is NO! We have seen many like that before, just like other countries that banned Bitcoin before but later they also revoked it and the best thing about it is that they have even adapted the concept and features of Bitcoin until now.

Then it's just like politics where your former enemy politician can become your ally, and your ally now can become your enemy later because he is your opponent in politics,
the same goes for this field industry.

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As much as I want to see one person saying sorry, I don't see it going to happen since they are still waiting for BTC's fall. They even announce the death of BTC in every bear market so yeah they will remain a critic forever even if there is a Bitcoin Reserve already.

We could see them trying to talk about how they tricked people into not buying while they were buying. So it's not going to be surprising if one of them announces they own more than a thousand BTC. That would be a funny announcement that's for sure.

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The tendency is that the list of critics to Bitcoin decrease, as it becomes more and more successful along the cycles, but inevitably there will be always critics and negative predictions regards Bitcoin. People who claim Bitcoin is going to zero can still believe it's going to happen someday, as it's a prediction based on future events which nobody knows for sure. Moreover, people can say anything they wish, although the fact is that such predictions make no difference for Bitcoin. Bad things have been being told about it incessantly, what didn't prevent Bitcoin from reaching where it currently is.

Just ignore empty critics based on speculation. Focus in your personal goals and investments, do your research and reading of the market critically, but don't be biased or influenced by people who just want to defame it, neither by those who want to defend it at all costs. In both cases reasoning isn't present, so you should be careful with that. To be aware about the pros and cons is the best way to prepare yourself consciously for the potential outcomes of this market.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Some would have changed their minds, but the effects and implications they might have caused on themselves and others will always remain, you can imagine a situation whereby some are willing and interested on bitcoin and were eager to give a try, but due to its attacks received from others discouraged them and stops them from investing and that same opportunity got wasted at that particular time, also in this, they may also be affected since being the critics, they are nit also investing in bitcoin as they discourage others from doing so.

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But can you tell me why you care about this and what we would gain if bitcoin critics publicly apologized?

This world is colorful, everyone has different personalities, interests and tastes...we shouldn't expect everyone to be like us. Furthermore, our purpose in entering the market is to profit and get rich, not to argue and prove right and wrong. So in my opinion, we should ignore and avoid contact with people who do not think the same way as us. As investors, we should focus on accumulating bitcoins because that is how we make profits. Also, we can't know what their real purpose is in criticizing bitcoin, do they really hate it or are they just trying to find a way to keep people away from it but still secretly buy it?

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There are different kinds of Bitcoin critics. There are those who will eventually bend a knee. There are also those who won't. Those who won't could be classified further.

For example, Schiff and Taleb's arguments aren't the same. I haven't heard all of their arguments against Bitcoin, but it seems Taleb's arguments are more on the fundamentals. He doesn't even give much value to Bitcoin's price. Bitcoin hitting $100,000 or even a million doesn't matter to him. Bitcoin remains essentially that technology that doesn't have much worth regardless of its fiat value. I think this kind of critic, one who doesn't mind the price, won't turn into a convert.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

They can have their reasons to think that Bitcoin will fall to zero, with Bitcoin price at $10, $100, $1000, $10000 or even $100,000 or even higher, but what can we do with them?

Nothing. They have their brains and there are enough free resources to learn about Bitcoin, they are free to absorb these resources or ignore them. If now, they still believe that "Bitcoin will fall to zero" or they will still believe it in future, we only can let them be. We can not change these people who are obsessive with their wrong thinking.

They can change their critics from "Bitcoin will fall to zero" to "Bitcoin will fall to $1,000 or $100" when price is about $500,000 or $1M.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 08, 2024, 02:37:01 AM

Quote from: Die_empty on December 08, 2024, 02:17:58 AM

Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

We are seeing an open acceptance instead of a public apology. We have seen these repentant critics openly buying or speaking good about Bitcoin. An example is Michael Saylor and Donald Trump. Other like Financial Times still believe that the price will still get to zero. They might wait for eternity.

I think you are missing some of the points I raised in the post. I intend to know if there have been a case of those who spread misinformation about bitcoin coming public to admit that they were wrong. I don't think Michael Saylor and Donald Trump fit into that category because they never publicly condemned bitcoin.

I don't think I missed something. Both Donald Trump and Michael Saylor were well-known critics of Bitcoin. Trump once said that Bitcoin was not money and it was used to facilitate illegal transactions. The President elect has also said that Bitcoin looks like a scam. Before Michael called Bitcoin a digital gold he had once said the currency was doomed to fail. Trump and Saylor might have not publicly apologised about their past negative views about Bitcoin but their current support could be seen as an apology.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianhayesii/2024/10/14/trillion-dollar-pivot-what-michael-saylors-bitcoin-bet-teaches-ceos/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/business-57392734.amp

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Does their "apology" mean anything?

To me no.

Reason behind this is that FUD is so common in crypto and was so in this forum too like 7-8 years back, that buying bitcoin at that time would seem like a mental challenge you have overcome.

In the background, people like them could cause the market to collapse and buy at discounts leaving smaller fries empty handed. You might call the small fries stupid, but this was very prevalent then and not every person is sound enough to make all these decisions on their own with an asset class that literally no one actually understands how to use.

So let them remain critics, who cares? We buy bitcoin when the price drops, that is it.

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 08, 2024, 01:39:55 AM

Critics? No.
FUDsters? Yes.

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

You are right, critics are different from FUDsters like you put them and I think the later are deliberately being obtuse which is the reason they will never stop or change their stance. They know what they are doing just like you rightly said so they will continue being unfortunate rather than come out public with a change of opinion.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

We are seeing an open acceptance instead of a public apology. We have seen these repentant critics openly buying or speaking good about Bitcoin. An example is Michael Saylor and Donald Trump. Other like Financial Times still believe that the price will still get to zero. They might wait for eternity.

I think you are missing some of the points I raised in the post. I intend to know if there have been a case of those who spread misinformation about bitcoin coming public to admit that they were wrong. I don't think Michael Saylor and Donald Trump fit into that category because they never publicly condemned bitcoin.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

We have seen several instances of people criticizing bitcoin publicly with some saying it was never to be trusted and others saying it was going to zero. The list of these people is long with Nassim Taleb the "black swan" man and Janet Yellen as two of the notable critics. For those that want to know some of them and what they have said about bitcoin, Red Bull website gave a short list of some of them.

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

Why they would be needing to apologize? They havent done something wrong. We are having that a speculative market on which its normal that there would really be those people who do speculate whether negative or positive. Therefore, they havent done something for them to apologize for. Pretty sure that they are now murmuring into themselves about on the missed opportunity on acquiring or getting some cheap coins wayback with that bear market. For sure there would really be those who had changed up their view or impressions towards Bitcoin specially now that it do able to hit up 6 figures on which they've been criticizing about on having that inability could reach up these value or price. As of this moment on which trying out to look around or in the market then we can hardly see to those who do say negative towards Bitcoin on which everything seem fine eh? This is really that a normal sentiment that we can look around on the time that we are heading for the bull run period on which we do know that we are really that going there.

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I think No in general, because take Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan, for example. Back in 2017, he was extremely skeptical about Bitcoin and even threatened to fire employees if he found out they were trading it. But look at JPMorgan now...

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Some critics might stay that way, but many big-time investors who were once skeptical have already jumped on the Bitcoin bandwagon.
Even notable figures like Michael Saylor and Elon Musk were once critics of Bitcoin before they fully embraced it. It just shows how perspectives can change over time.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on December 07, 2024, 07:09:59 PM

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

We are seeing an open acceptance instead of a public apology. We have seen these repentant critics openly buying or speaking good about Bitcoin. An example is Michael Saylor and Donald Trump. Other like Financial Times still believe that the price will still get to zero. They might wait for eternity.

Quote from: pooya87 on December 08, 2024, 01:39:55 AM

Critics? No.
FUDsters? Yes.

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

Some of them will rather die in shame than to swallow their pride. Instead of publicly apologizing, they prefer to secretly invest in Bitcoin. Some of these blind die-hard critics include Warren Buffett, Jamie Dimon and Peter Schiff.

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Critics? No.
FUDsters? Yes.

Majority of those who may look like simple "critics" of Bitcoin, are not critics at all. They are corrupt people who saw their own thing threatened and decided to spread some FUD about bitcoin. They will not change, ever. Like the CEO of one of the most corrupt banking cartel named JP Morgan who called Bitcoin "fraud" while one of their companies was buying bitcoin during the crash at the time.

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There is nothing like this.

Opinions can change whether it is about earth being round or bitcoin being bad for us.

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We have seen several instances of people criticizing bitcoin publicly with some saying it was never to be trusted and others saying it was going to zero. The list of these people is long with Nassim Taleb the "black swan" man and Janet Yellen as two of the notable critics. For those that want to know some of them and what they have said about bitcoin, Red Bull website gave a short list of some of them.

My concern is that I have not seen some of the vocal fud spreaders coming out public to apologize or at least express their change of mind after they might have seen that bitcoin is never what they thought. So, does it mean these critics never ever changes their mind? Can we say that those who think that bitcoin price will get to zero still believe till now that it will happen even after seeing that bitcoin is soaring at six figures?

Please if you know anywhere these critics tender public apology or at least express a change of opinion, kindly point me to such material.

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