Topic: Does it mean the poor can't breath anymore? (Read 682 times)

Yes, I agree with you because his complaint did not sound good, according to his statement. They should understand that a group does not consist of all the same type of people. Different kinds of people present themselves in various ways. There are different types of people in the forum, and they are different. Newbies come to the forum and want to do something overnight; they think they are big without listening to the elders. And newbies act like they don't understand anything, but the older members of the forum are not so grown up that newbies don't understand. Newbies should practice reading and listening well, and elders should follow. Only then are good things possible.

Most advice I see is from people just trying to be helpful. This is not something to get offended by. If something is clearly in the wrong section, there is nothing wrong with pointing it out. Same with low post quality. Many of these are alt account farmers, spammers, and people trying to get into signature campaigns as quickly as possible. That is always going to be perceived negatively, and the criticism will be justified.

If someone can’t handle constructive feedback, this forum isn’t the place for them. Some members can be difficult to deal with and will be rude towards everyone, not just newbies. If you are offended by them there is always the ignore button.

Really these kind of things that are  happening everywhere i don't think is something good. This is not because am a newbie or something, it's because I think it's a something worth doing. That's, we should try and learn the habit of treating everyone with respect, pity care and kindness. not only the person you are treating will have happiness but even that person that is treating him or her would do.
Also you will not only have peace but you will be respected back because respect is reciprocal. Besides, who knows what tomorrow will come with?
Nobody knows what would definitely happen in next one hour. Even not because of anything, we should because of only this and try to exhibit goodness among one another.

Thank you so much for your elderly concern. it so inspiring! and motivated.
Some time, not the rich only but also the poor don't know how to display towards their fellow human being. Despite the fact that am still a newbie don't stop me from saying the reality of what is happening since nobody's name is mentioned. This is just what is happening some time. For the newbies, when you you know that this person is really above your stage, make sure you give him or her the due respect he or she deserves. Doing that sometimes, encourages him, motivate him admire him to the extent of even render you an unexpected assistance. You see! good conduct matters a lot.

Op, you seem to be no different from people you are complaining about, because the statements you make. I think every newbie should understand that when they join this forum, they will meet different kinds of people, we do not all speak in the same way. Some high rank members might use words to correct newbies, but they do not mean to attack them, and some newbies may feel as if they are attacking them. In this forum, we are here to learn for many people, at least we should become use to hearing all words from everyone. If you are here to learn, just concentrate on that, newbies should not let comments from high rank members discourage them, since I believe that many newbies have given up in this forum due to the answers they received from the high rank members.

Criticism will definitely come as we all make mistakes, but the most important thing is how you handle the criticism you get from people. Often time they are actually right about what they criticise you as a newbie for, and that is because they are far ahead of you in learning and in understanding. So take criticism as a advise for correction. When. I saw your topic I was expecting something different but when I began to read through the thread I discovered that the topic is far from what the thread conveys, this is an observation that needs to be worked on to become a good poster. The ability to make a good post and share your ideas all start from your topic to the body. I saw a post saying that you have been corrected to stop the conflict between your topic and thread but yet you still keep doing it over and over again, take correction and watch your growth in all area of your life.

Op you just need to understand in this forum people will definitely criticise and sometimes the correction of people might not be really pleasant to you, no matter how you are being corrected rudely don't let it make you up set instead just take the correction.  Don't feel bad when you are corrected,  if you allow correction of people to be a problem to you because of the manner you are being corrected you may never learn anything . Take the correction and grow to be a better person than allowing it to make you to be in pain because you are not being corrected just the way you deserve. 

I think you are making a complaint out of a bad feeling or a perceived ill treatment from higher ranked members, but you could be a little modest with your choice of words so it doesn't sound as disrespectful as it does already, learning is a good thing and if you've decided to learn, then you must remove sentiments and focus on information gathering. You sound too rude for a learner or a complainant. This level of pride isn't the way forward.

Pepe are different and you wouldn't expect everybody to do things in a way you term right, you should be open to criticisms of you wish to grow and normalize controlling your emotions when you're in a learning environment. It would be more productive if you cited an example of the attacks you claimed here so we can all evaluate it together, but nevertheless more experienced members should  be more lenient in dishing out corrections.

I would also mention that if you're busy calculating the amount of attacks you receive on a learning journey, then you're not ready to learn and you'll lose focus on the main thing. You should instead focus more on the corrections pointed out and work on improving yourself to meet certain standards and those corrections you see as attacks would certainly come no more. The majority of the work is on you, do your due diligence properly in the forum and you'll be alright.

The thing is that before posting anything, these newbies who were been criticized failed to read what was in the forum.  How many topics have you found out about guides, and the same questions keeps on repeating themselves asked by different newbies.  If they just use their eyes first, reading and browsing the forum before creating an inquiry thread that has been asked so many times, they should have avoided that criticism.

Each topic has their own corresponding board, it is normal to be reminded if for example a topic about gambling is posted on a Bitcoin discussion board since there is a gambling discussion board that is dedicated to that topic, that thread should be posted or moved there.


Newbies have all the space and time they need to understand how this forum works, but sadly many of them are too impatient or too lazy to give time and understand the forum.  Newbies are not the only one getting bashed, even high-ranking members who happen to make mistakes are also being criticized.  But instead of hating those people who reminded them about their mistakes, many of the higher ranking members accept if they have fault and try to improve and avoid making such mistakes again.

Instead of getting angry, I think it is better to make it as a stepping stone to learn and improve oneself.  After all, getting mad about such a thing will only make us a laughing stock.

OP every high rank members here  felt very inferior at a point when they were a newbie because it looks like you don't even know anything or you can't really make any good contributions to the forum, some only visits a single board that they feel they can take part in discussions there without feeling low of themselves. But the best way that you can stay away from users not saying hateful things to you is to spend more time learning about the forum and reading discussions going on in a particular thread and also read other high ranked members replies then it will guide you on how you can also follow up to avoid making mistakes that will lead to someone saying bad words or how low quality your posts are that is just my humble advice to you and when you are seeking to understand the reason for anything you feel is inappropriate, don't sound aggressive, be calm and make your audience understand the directions you are going so that you will get help and also avoid what will make other users place you in their ignore list.

You took this too far mate, it looks like you are the victim here, you are simply fighting for yourself, I feel your pain, we've all been there but take it easy, some will correct your mistake in a friendly way and some will correct you as if they are fighting you, but the way you wrote this topic makes me feel like you will harm someone in real life if they harshly correct you.

I have been corrected in both ways on this forum before, there are few ones that I don't like, OK how about this?

I created a topic about my father and how I was unable to pay him bad after all he did for me, and he is dead, will you believe that someone on this forum made a joke out of it? I was writing the topic in pain and that was someone reaction, it was painful but I just let it go.

You need to let it go mate, but what they are actually trying to correct could be true, have you checked yourself out? Try fixing it and stop taking it to heart, this is the only way you will improve.

It's annoying but many people do it. You will see them correcting others about something they do themselves, and sometimes, some people would not let a person do a certain thing only so that they can do it themselves which is cunning but unethical, I guess.

There are a lot of things that happen around us that we might not like seeing or they might make us feel uncomfortable, but ancient people used to say that when you point a finger towards someone, the remaining four fingers point at you, which means that before you start finding mistakes in others or rectifying them on everything they do, make sure you are not making those mistakes yourself.

I understand OP's notion, but evidently, his choice of words is not nice, and anyone reading his post would think they are being cursed and some might not take that very well.

All the problems that you listed here have only one and unique solution to them.  You have to bear what people say and and then you have to make your heart understand that you're not here to make people happy but you're here to live your life the way you want on your religious basis.

Don't get attracted to these kind of morons who make fun of people just for the sake of their so called false ego.Try to be a hero first of all at least in your eyes before in the eyes of others.

You are asking people to correct newbies without hate words and you are trying to correct them with foul and aggressive words yourself. How does that make your post sound good when you aren't even listening to yourself? They say, to preach what you practice, so if you are not using decent words to make others understand a point, you can't expect them to do the same with others. We need to be following something ourselves before we ask others to do the same.

Besides, the things you are talking about don't fall under the category or attacking someone. When someone makes a post in the forum, if it's in a wrong section or if it is against the general guidelines provided, members are supposed to correct them, and as said by some other members earlier, some might just have a different tone but they are never attacking anyone unless it's a scammer or someone making useless posts with a spamming intent.

no problem with new members, everyone gets the same space. I don't mean to belittle new members, I'm sure any members who might give advice too harshly are just aiming to remind them how to be in a discussion forum.
The best advice for beginners is to look for information and read it rather than create a question thread where the answer is already in the forum. questions that keep repeating themselves which sometimes makes old members of the forum simply ignore the questions. such as threads regarding forum rules, or earning Merits.
I think every new member just needs a little more effort to find out all the information they need. and when they start posting, it will sound better.

Corrections are fine since they are newbies, and I also started as a newbie here as well like many others are.
Attacks? Can you share some posts where higher ranked members are "ATTACKING" newbies?

Maybe you see criticisms as attacks, and I don't think that's a good thinking. I mean newbies are welcome, but they need to have a thick skin and know if they are needed to be corrected. I mean I also started as a newbie as well a few years ago, but I did watch some YouTube videos and some documentaries with regards to cryptocurrency so that I have something to share here. I also received some corrections, and criticisms in the past, but I don't see them as attacks to me. I also don't do it with other newbies, and in fact, there are many newbies who are making these "WELCOME THREAD" in Meta section, and many are welcoming them.

TBH, I don't know what's the point of this thread because I don't see anybody being attacked. Like what I said, can you please share some posts here where the newbie is being attacked by a high-ranked member. Thanks.

Here you go again, I thought your post was meant to tell those that use foul or vulgar language on newbies when they’re corrected to stop using it and you the corrector is also using it now, how will you be listened thing since you can’t practice what you’re preaching? One thing I have come to understand about the forum is that, we all come from different cultures, beliefs and have different human perceptions on how we relate to them. No matter how you correct some people, if it’s their way of expressing themselves and don’t feel bad doing that, they’ll continue to correct newbies in those manners. Some mean no hatred or attack, it is just their way of communicating rather the way of saying to correct someone that is wrong. For every correction, there must be something that lead to it, newbies should take note, learn and correct themselves better the next time.

Yeah I know humans and their behavioral attitudes towards their fellow is unhidden, we can't let it die in us that is why most people has this ego in them while speaking and of course my write-up could looks so harsh but it was the response I gives my feedback as it's said one good turns deserves another. Just imagine where everything are pretty much in better ways people could learn by correction instead of by hates and abusive words, I am not in any way being affected by Whatsoever but still we should learn to mind how we regards our fellows.

Saying that the post doesn’t belong there isn’t wrong because it’s best to have everything organized. For instance as the newbie joined the forum, they can testify on how organized everything is. How different boards exist and have content related to them. That’s the aim. Regarding poor English, it depends on how it is conveyed. There’s constructive criticism and I stand with it. One of the last one I gave was telling the OP to use paragraphs to enhance readability. And those are things that actually help make them a better poster. So I think approach is what really matters here.

The truth is that anyone is entitled to be criticized in this forum, whether you are a newbie or old higher ranks. If something wrong is being done, some beginners need to be attacked so that they don't repeat such things next time. However, if nobody is trying to correct beginners, they will surely continue with their bad behaviors and always claim they are newbies. There are some kinds of mistakes that if newbies make, senior ranks will overlook them and just correct them without criticism, but if the behavior is too bad, they need to be attacked.


It is not everyone that has to be a graduate, but the truth is that you must know how to read and write if you want to be part of cryptocurrency and be successful. However, if someone knows that he or she is poor in English, the best way is to involve themselves in local boards and avoid other boards that deal with pure English.

I am a beginner myself and haven’t had some of these energies or been attacked for asking questions either in my responses or a thread I created. In fact, I can speculate that not everyone here in this forum are graduates or have some degree form college and not everyone here are native English speakers but still, we are all here trying to share ideas. That’s what is really important, sharing ideas and in doing so, you really can’t decide on how certain words would be dished out.

I see what reasons you’ve outlined in OP to have been examples of how these attacks are presented and there isn’t anything wrong with being told your post isn’t in the right place, don’t belong, is of low quality or constitutes a poorly formed English. Let’s not forget that the most we do here is read and we could decide to read and see the positive in some of these or just get enraged because our views weren’t welcomed in all its wholesomeness.

There is nowhere that is stated that everyone must be a graduate to be knowledgeable. Knowledge isn’t only gotten from attending college and the four walls of the college isn’t closed from anyone. If you’ve got resources enough to attend, then you do so. There are even those that have got these resources and still choose not to. In all, there is room for self development and getting offended if you aren’t corrected in the tune that might be pleasing to you is one means to stray from the part of taking that correction.
You might be like, okay, this guy wasn’t nice and so am not taking his words for shit but, that’s really you shitting yourself.

I try to understand approaches, I know it’s importance but, don’t get carried away by wanting everyone to please you, we aren’t the same, have different training and cultural backgrounds. We just keep learning from each other and mange ourselves in the process.

Op, if you and every other user feel pained when you are corrected tell me how do you intend to grow to the level of helping others who may be looking up to you? a lot has been said here but am yet to see anyone telling you this which is the main reason why I decided to say it to you, if you don't want to be corrected go ahead and become a genius overnight, kill that ego which I think is the main reason why you made this post because you had to even use words which you didn't point out that any one used on you or other newbies whom you are speaking for so why are you being so furious for nothing when you know that you can scroll pass post which you think is offensive to you rather than responding back, am sorry to say this but if you don't wanna learn you don't want to be corrected and you don't want to do the right things then you shouldn't be here because you can't stop everybody from expressing themselves  when a post is made.

You're the one seeing it as an attack, to them correcting you it mightn't be an attack because we have people from different parts of the world on the forum and not everyone have the same way of thinking/behaving, some people are naturally harsh with their words and others are friendly. You can be corrected in both ways and still they're trying to help you out. You (OP) have to also work on your choice of words because you aren't sounding nice either and some group of people might find your post offensive without you trying to be offensive but just because of your choice of words and that is the same thing that is happening when people correct you and you find it offensive.

This is merely a forum and you are to let things go, don't envy those with high rank instead decide to learn from them. For everyone that have ranked up genuinely, they have sometimes that you can learn from and use it in helping yourself to better your account on the forum. When the correction comes irrespective of how it comes, take the positivity from the correction and move on. This forum isn't real life that you should get all angry that someone is disrespecting you because you don't know who they're in real life. We should all learn to not reason much into things or we'll always get angry at people behaviour.

It's quite cold outside and I understand your plight most especially in this forum where some members have decided to try to play gods over others a d acting as if without them no one can have a say I what ever discussion that is going on here in the forum, some just give trust feedbacks without any justifiable reasons so for that all that you need to do is to develop a thick skin and keep developing yourself to the point that it becomes in possible for anyone to just frustrate your efforts just like that and also stand your ground and defend what you believe.
That is the only way you can allow yourself to breath in a community that is filled with so much knowledge and experience where newbies knowledge seems to be a waste of time for the older members.

@op, is is often said that to exist in a forum like this, you have to develop a think skin, and this means, you don't have to pay attention to every thing a person have say, obviously, every one gets attacked here and there, even the top ranks attack each other from time to time, you can confirm this from the reputation board, so, it's not a matter of top ranks attacking newbies, but rather, it's all about the fact that a user attacking another user on this forum seem to be a normal thing, and the best way to overcome this is to count it as nothing when ever it happens, if any user attacks you, give a reply if the user deserve it, but if he or she doesn't, just ignore and give your attention to more important things that matter to you, with time, as you advance and get more used to the forum, rest assured the attack will reduce until it's almost like it's totally gone.

Best of luck growing and learning here.

These days it is difficult to know genuine, common newbies who are caught and involved in acts of lies and forgery from fake newbies aka Alt, with several cases occurring here, so it has an impact on beginners who are truly genuine and want to get to know and learn on this forum, but you could say there are very few genuine beginners, mostly Alt beginners.

Basically the members here are friendly and kind, they will teach everything a beginner wants to know, the point is don't lie, if you lie of course don't blame the members here for acting out of bounds, and there is no tolerance for being caught lying, the problem is to be honest and show that you really are a true beginner, not an Alt full of lies.

Lying to other members, means you are lying to yourself, remember no matter how good a squirrel jumps, sometimes it will fall, love beginners who are really beginners.

Its part for the newbies where to start in the community all of the things they read are too vague to them, the jargon might be hard to understand but sooner or later they will adopt these things if they are really willing to learn. This community has a lot of knowledge and information they can use and gather with their taking paths. Sometimes newbies get judge base on their actions, and other members notice already whats the objective of the newbie here to contribute or just to make spam. To newbies don't get discouraged if you want to learn more. If you are not comfortable you can use your local so people around you will easily accommodate your problems.

Actually feel the same way too when I was a newbie and still have a lot of questions too. But the mere fact that I ranked up means I overcome the harsh environment of criticism. Well its not good but there are always been some users to toy with newbies, as if they should already know whats to be answer. But believe me, its better this way so every newbie can have courage to improve more. But as a users experienced those, Id say I'll be gentle to real newbies.

Thank you @cryptoaddictchie for your brief view over this, usually I know such a place is highly a competitive place where someone needs to be of a great standard but even as that we don't have to dispute the facts that we need gentleness and not being too hash to the people because some people may not have that power to stand whatever pressure or arguments that may arise within the next people whom they claims to be the best, and of a true with carefulness what became so hard could be very lightly and easy to understand even though it's said that no one is kept here to tutor each other rather than someone seating down to understand how the system works.

Its a mixed ecosystem of harsh, nice, rude, mean, kind and any other approach of users here. Dont expect it to be light place. Yes english is quite important too as you need to converse and must be understood by other users as well. But theres always local section for your own native language. Newbies are often degrade here but its fine everybody experience it anyway as long as you can resist some negative criticism no problem mate.

I think there were just some newbies that weren't doing enough here, I think they weren't really getting attacked like actually bullying newbies, if that is what you're talking about you could probably give some example of that so that we could see it and discuss about it, you could quote that example on your topic. What I think is happening is they were just getting corrected by higher members here who already know how the forums work, I think it's kind of natural for some members to have comments especially if they are seeing something unusual to them.

I know we are all once a newbie, and probably made some mistakes as well when we were just getting started, but if you are doing things wrong, like for example, you are spamming, there will be members that are going to call you out for that, that just means that as a newbie you're not doing enough because you're not reading enough and following the rules. As a newbie, it's obviously your responsibility as well to follow, read the rules, etc. I mean they could easily take that as an encouragement, or probably just teaching newbies, I don't really see members here bullying but just telling them that they are wrong. I don't see any problem with that, if someone corrected you then you should probably take it as a good thing, then learn it again so that the next time you already know what you are saying.

I must say that I expected some quite different content in this thread based on OP's subject. You could say OP uses a metaphor. All I can say to this is, a metaphor is a bad thread subject, is likely misleading and doesn't help to search content in a large forum like this.

Newbie equals poor? How on earth do you come to such a notion?!


How about showing some proof of your accusations? Show your spots you've read which led you to create this thread!


I probably stumbled over some threads opened by newbies or even other ranks where replies weren't all very welcoming. There may have been a reason for harshness but this has to be judged on particular instances. I can't remember senior ranks popping up regularly with groundless offensive behavior.

I'm also sometimes annoyed by users who ask questions that probably have been answered who-knows-how-many times. I don't care if it's a newbie (likely happens more often with those) or some other rank. It's a "serve me" mentality that's not helping in large forums. It leads to defragmentation and multiple occurences of information that plays out overwhelming when you try to actually search information here. Ever wondered why you get such vast hits count when you search? Efficient searching is something you need to learn and practice.

And some people are even that lazy to ask for help to pull their finger out of their nose while picking it...

I try as often as possible not to get annoyed and rant at those. Doesn't work always, I admit that. I could find more examples what bugs me, but don't see a point to exaggerate it.

I tell myself to grow a thicker skin and be always alerted when I feel the urge to rant or feel offended or annoyed. In most cases I can ignore to reply at all (don't feed the trolls mantra) and if I'm really annoyed, it helps to sleep over it. The urge usually vanishes and/or isn't worth it. If not, I can still reply and declare flame war.

Op actually your point out some facts but the issue is two sided there is difference between reporting a poster to moderator and commenting for a poster to learn and get correction because if everyone keeps silent on a post that is wrong the posters can't learn the problem of human be is perception and many hating correction, as newbie first one need observed any environment you found yourself learn the way things are been done rule and regulations are in the forum everyone can't learn at the same paste very correct but without letting the newbie going wrong who is not learning as others know he may end up learning nothing, how you perceived corrections most time make it hard for us to learn and grow.

I may not have learn all it takes in the forum because learning ended in grave but when I enter here I was reading people post and some pin post and link, I discovered that creating a topic is not mandatory but good comment can usher you all you need if it's reward or merit that makes many newbie rush in writing shit post and all manner of things that go contrary to the forum rules I may only advice any newbie to first learn and give attention to detail before commenting or posting not withstanding see correction as tool for growth or else remain unimproved and static in the forum.

I understand where this is coming and you did have a point, some members on this forum do take things too far at times but here is a truth that you should know too.

Some newbies deserve it, they are so annoying that they will keep making the same mistake over and over, there was one who had like 25 activities on his account and every post was related to the same point, all he or she did was repeat it over and over, meanwhile the owner already gotten answered many times already.

If you know someone who behaves like this what will you do? This is just one of few that I have seen on this forum, even I who was also a victim of harshness on this forum had to talk back to that account owner.

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Even if you are a victim of what you claimed, it is not the end of the world, you don't have to pay attention, it could hurt, but learn from the mistakes that they are trying to correct, and adjust, this was how I made it this far on the forum, sometimes to grow we need to be handled this way, I won't do the same on someone else but I will surely correct the wrongs if they will listen it's up to them.

If you are not ready to be criticized, then it’s just better you don’t post here. If you are a beginner and you ask a question and you are being attacked, as long as you are getting the answer to your question, you shouldn’t feel bad as long as you have gotten what you need. The forum is a public place, and anyone can respond to you however they like. Some people might sound aggressive, but that shouldn’t be your problem, you should be focused on what you want to learn.

Telling a newbie that he or she posted on the wrong board is a correction, so that next time the person will check what he or she is posting and will know the appropriate board to post on. If everyone keeps quiet and everyone is allowed to do what they want, do you think the forum will be functional like it is currently? You complained about lack of English or poor English, if you are posting on the forum here and people don’t understand what you are talking about, how will they be able to respond to you? Nobody is asking anyone to speak fluent English, but you should be able to communicate in a way that everyone will understand you. If you can’t speak English, then you can just visit your local board, where you will be able to communicate in your local language.

I think the op has a point but your approach is wrong. You have to learn how to transfer information without being rude to your target.

Sometimes people assume that many newbie accounts are not really new members or that such posts are made to fish merit so they become exposed to attacks and criticism. But some of us also fail to understand that in the process of these attacks, some real newbies who truly needed to be guided become victims. We might be irritated by the repetitive questions or posts that they make but we will keep seeing these questions in the Beginners and Help section as much as new people are still registering.

As for me, I have decided not to be harsh to anybody even if I am not comfortable with his post because you might be attacking a newbie who needs help. But newbies who have failed to learn and keep asking irrelevant questions need to be cautioned to avoid spamming. Others that have bad intentions like scamming, shilling, and others should be rebuked without mercy.

I can not go back in fishing out related thread like this and also ones that hi higher forum members has bashed on the newbies because of their unlearned posting styles here in the forum, that is to say I got you rightly Op but remember some newbies can actually be ignorant and refusal to adapting to the forum expectations of its users to be sensibly creative with their posts including following the forum policies and not one of the social medias where everyone has their rights to just act and posts whatever they chooses.

So I don't see any wrong about it If a junior memeber is told that the post is not in the right board and I have not come across such corrections being told in a hash manner maybe you can provide us link to such because whatever learned member of such categories does not seem so learned to me know quite well the beginning point and the professional points in the forum.

As much as I know learning is a gradual process and can not be comprehend. Right about it we can even find some high ranked memebers with disappointed post ought not to come from such ranked memebers so, everyone is liable to make mistakes.

Talking about mocking and bashing memebers who does not have their English on accordance,  we should be aware that English is not a language that a must speak so it could be a borrowed one to some persons in as it may affect some forum memebers to be fluent with it.

From your write-up, I can see you are speaking out of anger. Someone might have attacked you in a way that you don't like, or something triggered that. Judging from your words, I bet when you have the opportunity to be in the position of some of the members you are calling out, you might even do much worse than them because you aren't calm in your words. They don't sound like someone who is trying to pass a message to others. It's as if you are ready to fight back against anyone who is attacking you if you are given the opportunity.

The forum's senior members are friendly enough to help newbies. But if you make stupid spam, sometimes a few members will attack, but it does happen very rarely. We don't have a business with newbies and no reason to attack them. It's not necessary to make quality posts by newbies. But posts like "send me some merits" are hated by other users. You have to be legit users of the forum, not just bounty spammers. I don't support newbie attacks anyway. But just don't be stupid. Try to learn from this and contribute.

Yes, buddy, you made some good points in this post we all were once in the newbie phase and there is no doubt we all made little mistakes and these mistakes groom our knowledge so that we can learn from the mistakes we have in the past. If one keeps doing those mistakes that he/she already had done in the past then there will be no difference between the current time and the time he/she used to make shit posts.

So in my opinion one should learn from his/her mistakes and there is no doubt that one can ask any kind of newbie question here on this form and his newbie questions are welcomed by other members to guide him. But if one is trying/acting like a newbie and asking shit questions then there is no doubt he/she will be trolled by the senior members as they are masters of these things like who is a newbie and who is acting like a newbie.

Even offspring born of the same parents can’t be of the same character, so you won’t expect everybody in a public forum like this to be of the same character. Genuinely it is advisable to be nice to newbies because everyone was once a newbie. But also as a newbie you can’t just come to a forum and start engaging in activities without reading the guidelines that govern such forum, so newbies enable to make research, ask questions, have mentor you talk to about issues you finding difficult.

Being new in a place not just forum but even environment comes with a lot of difficulties, challenges and lot more. Then it left for you to adapt and make use of your skills so you can benefit from such forum or environment. Please and please if you are a high Ranking member in the forum try to encourage the newbies by using the right words and right correction method so it will encourage them to be active in the forum and could share their skills. Using the wrong words on them will only discourage them and could even give them wrong image about bitcointalk as a whole.

don't lead opinions by saying that the majority of people on this forum don't welcome newbies, you know everyone here has been a newbie before, so the members on this forum also respect newcomers. but the problem is, in recent times a lot of newbies have come and said things that are actually quite stupid, some have even deliberately created fake stories to get attention and build up their accounts.

not to mention that they use messy punctuation and irregular english, at least these two things need to be paid attention to by these newbies because how can the members here understand what they are saying when they don't write correctly. at least correct their writing first, then they can start joining this forum.

no offence but there are times that newbies need to be told in harsh ways. As Rikafip has mentioned, members have no issues with newbies asking genuine questions(and forum members would be happy to answer their questions) but are sick of fake newbies(who are most likely alts) who are looking to fish some merits. I am sure if you have spent enough time and stay active in the forum long enough you'll start to notice them.

OP should have just come out clear instead of beating around the bush before he could say what was in his mind.

You think this is a place to pour out your family anger on, I know what's on your mind; Perhaps you observed that members of the forum tend to attack the newbies because they feel they are possibly alts account. If so you thought wrong, if any newbie makes a mistake in the forum it's normal to guide or point out that mistake so that such a person won't repeat the same thing next time. Just like any form of discussion that is what the forum is designed for. There can be argument, suggestions, opinions and more importantly solutions.

Honestly, these guys here are brutal but they're just trying to help, it's kinda reverse psychology where they want you to learn by showing you how weak you are and it depends on a person who will respond with those honest answers. I was a newbie too and I used the forum while the merit system was fresh I couldn't seem to follow the rules but later on, I caught up and managed to understand everything I needed to keep up the good conversations with the users and after that, I never expected to reach this lever and earned those merits for the rest of the years just engaging on conversations and also post some helpful threads in our local sections.

Do you think forum moderator don't check reports before treating them?


Hey you have to wake up man and stop being aggressive and disrespectful, this is a forum for God sake and not some place where you want everyone to behave the way you want them beside the forum have a rule and once you are obeying the rules no forum member will attack you, I am sure if truly you are a newbie as time goes on you will understand how forum members react to post's.


Lastly my advice to you is to develop a thick skin to be able to welcome objections to your opinion and try to be friendly and polite to other forum members, this is a discussion forum where you don't know the other users so respect others and you will be respected.

OP at first I use to have same reasoning as you do but sorry if I sound like a kind of underrating you but your subject doesn't match with the contents of this post because asking if the poor can't breathe anymore doesn't make any sense to me reason being that some newbies here are even wealthier than some legendaries here but because some of them wants to make investments and wants to acquire knowledge from forum members here made them to register and start as a newbie but they are not broke or let me put it in a clear term, not everyone came to this forum for money because if you check some profiles they haven't even applied for a signature campaigns here even when their accounts are due to earn from signature campaigns that's to show that some users here are obviously doing great outside the forum.

Now let me not digress from the contents of your topic, the best way of learning is to face criticism, hateful words, and even called a shitposter or a low quality poster because as a beginner, those words will guide you to learn more about the forum and to also know when you are not doing things rightly and helps you to understand and make more contributive posts that is if you are being contributive but yet receiving degrading words from high ranked members here. See those who criticizes you are part of your success because their criticisms is what will make you to know that you are not doing it right.

It seems that he simply does not understand that such language is acceptable only in his village.
OP, who offended you or attacked you? I see the last few merits you received. Is it not enough? But based on your manner of communication, I simply don’t want to give merit since you are ready to attack everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion. And you know, as long as you have such an embittered attitude towards people who want to correct you, you will receive the same attitude; at best, you will be added to the ignore list.

Yes boss, I love this simple clarification you gave to the op, forum is a place of learning and contribution too, though different people have their motives of being here, I must say that it is easy to identify merit fisher, forum is not for merit fishing, the merit comes naturally and thats when one has made a contribution that attracts the attentions of readers  and forum active members respectively, I want to make the op to understand that lashing, criticism or whatever we may tag it, is part of the forum, every newbie should be open to learn from criticism because I believe that any criticism faced by a newbie here is for his or her own benefit, criticism should be seen as part of correction by newbies, if your are been criticized as a newbie, what you should be doing is to improve on those areas and make sure that those lapses don't repeat itself again, I was criticized when I was coming up and I believe others had the same experience too, I learnt through the process and here I am today, though mistake is inevitable but admitting the mistake itself and making amendments triggers growth.

I don’t see how the topic title relates to how newbies are treated by older forum members. Are you referring to newbies as poor? That’s condescending to newbies IMO. It’s funny how OP went from being all goody goody to using profane language. I think someone hurt OP feelings recently hence the post. You’re in a forum, expect all kinds of people to respond to your posts, not everyone will agree with your opinion. Grow a thick skin, nobody cares about your feelings.

It's almost as if the goal of joining this forum is to be heard or feel good about belonging to a Bitcoin community. Well, like any normal community, a newbie or JJC, would have to endure several tantrums and insults and still be expected to show up when necessary.

The best part about learning and being able to correct others is that one has been able to tolerate and pick sense from every word or reply that once made no sense and has grown in knowledge and insight, which is clearly evident in the manner of writing, comments and presenting of essays.

Too rude mate, your post really made me laugh hard and I'm surprised how you wrote those abusive words regardless the information you're passing out. I don't know what's wrong but it seems most people don't like it when people use abusive words on them and it seems op is one of them while most people will feel ashamed but what I will always tell myself and I think op should do same, this is a forum for crying out loud, if anyone insult you during the process you'll just have to ignore cause I believe throwing out insulting words is not even a new thing. If anyone say you're dumb or what ever you know fully well you're not so what's the pain all about, you just have to learn in order to avoid such mistake. Secondly I guess you're mistaking cause abusive words here are not just for newbies cause even within a cycle members intend to use abusive words, this forum has been for long and before you created your account users who came before me and you use such word so I don't think this will change sooner or later

You are right though at some point during my earlier stages I was almost giving up due how things were but I gat to dive into it more better than the way I was before, but today I don't think there is anything I can't control my feelings on especially when it comes to people attacking me. There was sometimes where I will create a topic at the ending i will say I didn't create this topic for people to start digging into my account to come attack me. But today now I am used to everything and I can cope with the situation here provided that I don't get distracted by anything. So I will encourage op to settle down and understand the forum so he or she can be able to correct people as well if he feels.

This forum has rules, everyone has to follow them regardless of their rank, being new and not knowing the rules is not a valid excuse, just like in real life you can't avoid the law by saying that you didn't know about it.
If these rules weren't enforced, this forum would be a complete mess and all the good posters would move on to other platforms.

No one has any responsibility to guide newbies, this forum is not a charitable school, it's a place for discussing Bitcoin, you are expected to be knowledgeable to some degree and if you are asking some questions, they should be non-trivial.

Funny how you preach love and still went ahead to use this kind of words in your posts.

Although, I support your post about correcting newbies constructively without having to make them feel bad (I know I might have don’t that one way or the other) - But the issue with the newbies is the fact that they don’t want to read, sometimes the answer they are looking for is staring right at them but instead of reading they’ll still want to create their own personal thread. Like I said, I support constructive criticism and I’ve been working towards it and I’ve improved quite a bit since I started the forum.

There are thousands of members here, so if a few high-ranking members are not good at presenting their advice and experiences politely and well, you can completely ignore them. Many other members correct mistakes without arrogance and without insulting or attacking beginner members and advise them to adhere to the forum's rules until the forum becomes more disciplined. There is no benefit for anyone here in attacking any new member to prevent them from breathing or learning, expressing their opinions, or imposing advice on them. Everyone is welcome in Bitcointalk, and it is the responsibility of any member, regardless of rank, to consider what's in the best interest of this community and present it with love for the benefit of all.

Indeed, what's wrong with someone politely informing you that your post doesn't belong here if you've posted it in the wrong section? This will prevent your post from reaching the interested audience, and the low quality of contributions may also hinder understanding.

Why so aggressive though? grow some thick skin, Maybe you just misunderstood what others are saying to you. They could have been giving you constructive criticism but you take it personally. So if I'm in your case, I would just go and read and learn the ins and outs of this community. I said community because this is what this forum is, everyone is free to ask and be answered, freedom of speech and obviously you will have to understand and adjust yourself. There is no perfect community wherein everyone will be nice to every beginner. So good luck to you!!

Hey, perfect baby, no one is perfect in what we do, but we are working towards perfection even when it seems not to be possible.
 
In the aspect of merit, most newbies make it very obvious in their posts that this is all they care about and why they are here. Many are not here for anything other than to just earn merit, rank up, and jump into a signature campaign without even knowing how the forum works or all of their shit.
 
Why do people hold down Smerit? We all have expectations; what you like is not the same thing the other person will. A lot of members or merit sources have merit, but they seem to be getting bored on the forum and don't see any posts that deserve those merits.

Do you expect them to just jump around and start meriting posts? That's against their beliefs, which is also not worth merit. We all have ways of rating a post to be considered quality.

I bet you're not in the kindergarten to spoon feed everything. Internet is where you meet everything and bitcointalk is not an exception to it. I would say you will get used to that.

People here normally treat everyone in the way they deserve so if a random newbie asks what is Bitcoin the most common reply will be learn to use the search button cause it's been told million times already.

Know this and have peace, that you cannot be attacked if you're asking the right question in an appropriate manners, its not the question that most newbies asked is what got them attacked, its the attitude and manner in which they engage on such, if am wrong, then proof me with any example.


Sorry to correct you, if you're indeed a newbie, then i don't think you need to focus on this, this shouldn't be part of your learning plan or aim to contribute to the forum, were you told about all these or it has happened to you already, as i see everything here unnecessary, i hope you're getting my own point as well before you conclude on it being another attack on you as a newbie.

Hey are you just posting to complete your weekly quota?
Please I would advise you to always quickly read op before replying someone who has already commented. I don't know if you don't read before jumping down here to comment and I even wonder how you got this rank if you don't deep down your ass to read before commenting.

Thank you and I am not in haste to fetch for growth neither did I create this post to beg for merits.. Hey man wake up and read carefully otherwise when I come across you in any of my topic without you reading I will have to report any of your post to be deleted.
 

I know how you are feeling right away and to crown it all most of the things you said is correct based on how everyone started as newbie nobody here started as hero or Legendaries, If you look very well you would see that many people start very small and grow bigger in rank and in knowledge, and what are passing to you here is the knowledge they had from their beginning so if they are talking at least there should be a ton of respect and loyalty.

Even though what they are saying is not pleasing to you, you can at least read and do more research because they have experience in the forum and in bitcoin and any other cryptocurrencies as well.

No one is limiting you and nobody is controlling your, here is a general forum that is open to everyone and you must learn to be strong to accept any form of criticism from anyone out here because we are of many kinds from various entities with different behavior and characters sho you don't expect everyone to reason as you rather than you trying to comport yourself more better and join train move on.

Ops is a good example of such newbies who make the presence of the genuine newbies almost impossible to notice, and beginner and help section being flooded with fake thread and formulated lies which can be spotted from a distance.


No one have problems with newbies, and besides again why should the ops refer to newbies as poor in the topic title it already shows how low he have degenerated newbies so let start from there.

And here you are complaining with words that are unreasonable. You are trying to make a point here of which I'm sure others would have given ears but you trying to insult others with your post, looks even annoying. Yes every high ranked member you find on this forum, didn't just pop out of no where. We were ones newbies with little or no knowledge. But what do you think got us this far? Complains? Any newbie that is ready to learn, would be able to differentiate when a old member is correcting him and insulting him. And I haven't seen any such post where members use insulting words on newbies.

It might seem to you like insult or whatever you call it. But if you are ready to learn, you will try to find your errors so next time you won't repeat. Like you said senior member telling a newbie about posting on the wrong board. If that newbie is wise, next time he would be able to Know on which board to create such post.

This is a public forum. You should not expect everyone to be nice to you. Only a deluded person will think that other people will be nice and warm to them. On top of that this is an anonymous public space where people can say what to like in a hostile manner and will not think of how hurt the other person will feel. But then who cares. Caring only makes you weak, ain't nobody's mama right here, we all gotta develop very think skin and toughen up.

The best come back for all of this is spend time reading about the forum. Study users profile especially those high ranking users. Study their posts patterns their reply, patterns. Knowledge is the most power tool you can wield in any space and with it, you will command respect. That doesn't mean that the harsh comments will seize, it only means that you will have been so bad ass that you wouldn't give two fucks for the sake of knowledge you have acquire and still acquiring.

Re-read the few lines that I ruled out, how does that sound to you ?! Huh? You want people not to attack you when you already attack yourself? Bro you gotta take chill pill from all this because you already contradicted your content by using hate words which is your advocate below.
I will only let you know that the forum has some prerequisites that one must follow and when you begin to step out side the box and you're corrected because of the Ego in you, you will interpret it as an insult to your personality. Perhaps your educational qualification doesn't apply here, your social status doesn't apply, you class doesn't apply here so you gotta be humble and take words likely because it doesn't remove an hair on your skin.

A lot of legendary members of the forum love genuine contributions not people with so much pride of nothing. I think you have provoked some users with this post already. In the meta board some newbie or member rank also created a thread complaining the same thing as yours and do you know that repeating of this same content pisses some people up? I guess No!

Don't mind my ranks as a full member I'm also a newbie like you. A lot of newbies don't take as advises from people like me because of the rank sentiment I don't know about you but I will only advise you to relax and enjoy the process it's more like a rite of passage, you have to go through all this to belong here. Grow a tough skin as Mia Chloe said above.

I don't see this as an attack, but a correction on which board your post belongs to, so that you can learn and know the right board to post your topic next time.

Since you are in a public forum, you should try and have a thick skin so that you don't get hurt easily.

You are right on this, but at the same time you should know that, this forum have people from different countries, different family backgrounds and different upbringing. This makes it to have people with different characters and manners of approach to same topic or issue. Also sometimes, what the poster said and his word i.e their expression can still be misunderstood thinking that he is attacking the newbie of which the poster did not mean it like that.

As a matter of fact, it is not only newbies that are being attacked, even high ranking members are also attacked when they say something wrong. We are here to learn, share ideas and information so that should be the main focus.

Your title should be 'does it mean that newbies can't breath anymore' and not the poor because your thread is talking about newbies, and some newbies are rich, it is not compulsory to be in a signature campaign before you think that person is rich.

Right, everyone starts somewhere. Offering guidance and constructive criticism can go a long way in helping newcomers find their footing.

Fake newbies who were only after the merits clutter the forum, making it harder to find genuine questions. But a true newbie shouldn't be penalized just for trying to understand.
Newcomers shouldn’t be afraid to ask questions, but they should try their best to search for answers first. If you can't find what you're looking for, phrase your question clearly and politely.

This community thrives on open communication and shared knowledge.

I'm sure when newbies ask a genuine question even it's low quality, broken English etc, people won't attack them. There's a difference between real newbie and fake newbie, some people can know the signs.

Let's say you notice there's a fake newbie create a thread asking about forum rules, what would you reply?

Wait, so this is not an attack?

OP, You can actually pass your message without those foul words, because how are you different from the people you are complaining about, "he who comes to equity must come with clean hands" they say.

However is not everybody that contribute to the community is a graduate, the forum is for everybody but you most post in simple and correct English except you are in your local board. More so if a newbie makes a mistake, it is inherent on the experience members to correct that person and point out where the errors are, that for me shouldn't be seen as an attack, because it is those corrections that will help shape the mindset of those newbies and invariably help them to understand how the forum works.

Merits doesn't affect people except for someone who is longing to rank to join campaign, without campaign I don't think desperate newbie would be eager to create post that looks like merits fishing topic, but again why would those who have merits hold their merits?
Of course if someone is creative enough then merits could start flowing seriously without them being affected. At least I have gain little message from some of the reply down there, and that is overlooking some people and learn secretly without even haven to compete with any person irrespective of their rank also developing a thick skin to sail completely here. I know you are reputable user and I respects your words.

Who is being attacked and who is attacking, where is the proof if a higher ranking member attacks a Newbie who doesn't know how to understand the forum?

Newbies who join here are always greeted with a friendly attitude, higher ranking members always take the time to guide Newbies to understand how the forum works and prevent them from carrying out various prohibitions. You cannot dictate to someone what you want, someone's character and way of educating are certainly difference.

Everyone has a different way of teaching members who have just joined the forum. There are those who immediately criticize every mistake so that the same mistake doesn't happen again, there are also those who guide them gently by directing them to threads or sources that can increase their insight. But believe me, no one discriminates against anyone here, everyone has a different way of giving input to Newbies, but they have the same goal.

They can get many things without asking.

Newbies - read before posting is a big thread to many helpful topics. With these helpful topics, if newbies can read, they will find many information, answers for their curiosity.

Some corrections appear like an insult to many, depending on how the reader pictures the phrase, although I can't argue that some members don't insult newbies. Everyone must not like your first appearance—that one thing we all need to have at the back of our minds. 
 
I have read about this newbie correction of a thing in multiple threads here in this forum, and this won't be the last. On the aspect of English, yes, everyone must not be a graduate. English is also not a mother tongue to all, but we should try as much as we can to present our sentences in at least a readable manner, knowing fully well that what they post is for the public to read and not only for the writer. 
 
Even if you are not good at your English, you can still produce organic content, and people will appreciate it. It's not always about correct English; you can still speak all the good English and still get badmouthed.
 
The best way to learn in this forum, which I have accepted, is to overlook what I could accept if corrections were necessary. As I have read in one old thread, I can't remember the name of the member who made that statement. The statement goes like this: "You need to grow thick skin if you want to grow here in this forum." 
 
In summary, those hate words can't necessarily stop, especially when some of our newbies present themselves as assholes; they don't want to learn, and all of that means we can't expect everyone to be calm in a community with 56,000+ active members. Some will definitely display their real character, and you will come across some who might be on their bad days. 
 
And just so you know, not all newbies complained of being attacked; in fact, some of them are now figures to others due to how quick they are to learn and the things they have to offer. All fingers are not equal, but being the shortest one shouldn't be anyone's desire.

Every user here was once a newbie who gradually ranked up either by airdropped merits plus required activity or earned merit and activity. I am not saying that there are users here that don't attack newbies posts, rather I am saying isn't it better to improve your post quality so it is almost impossible to attack? If you are dishing out real quality, then other user will begin to reckon you. Instead of improving their post quality a majority of newbies would make posts complaining about how higher ranked users are being harsh on them.

In my opinion, by now I will consider posts of complaints as spam because it's more like an excuse newbies make thinking it would help but it doesn't change a damn thing.

And as for this I would repeat what LoyceV usually says, which is learn to grow a thicker skin. why let someone you can't see and you don't even know piss you off?

People here don't have problem with new people that are asking genuine newbie questions (on the contrary) but are sick of fake newbies that make majority of those kind of merit fishing threads, hence you can sometime see them being more hostile.

Yes I have read some post where some of the beginner are mostly being attack due to inability to understand how the forum works, and for them to ask some question they needs clarification but at last got attack. I am not against of anyone attacking each others but let it be a way that everyone including the newbie has some little air space to breath than in every single discussion you would see those who calls themselves overall rank would come attack, either by saying your post doesn't belong here and there, low quality post, lack of English, poor English, etc. okay, must everyone be a graduate as you are? No

So, Yes they are new people I know they are and (you that is reading this post were once a newbie) and as then you didn't know it all right? Even if one happens to go check your post history there would be lot lapse and mistake on your profile which would contain lot of shit-post and you started from a step before what so called rank you have achieved currently that is ringing your f**king brain as  if you are superior to everyone. My dear you gat f**k down your anus and give people space to understand forum gradually with the way they think is best for them, correct people but no attack if you are attacking then what true messages are you passing after knowing the true vision bitcoin and it's representatives.

Correct without hate words, learn without getting offense and speak with love. By so doing everyone would be welcomed to the community!
Thank you all.