Does Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic collecting IP-data of visitors?

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Quote from: BoXXoB on December 04, 2023, 06:52:26 AM

I find it annoying that data collection has become this necessary evil that we must accept as if there was no other option. Modern websites would break because they want to collect data not because of any technical reasons on the server-side. Most websites do not work correctly with Tor Browser because there are additional checks or Tor is blocked altogether. The only options we have to browse internet privately are becoming increasingly difficult to use at an alarming rate.

I'm sure there are ways to bypass data collection by sites

Quote from: BoXXoB on December 04, 2023, 06:52:26 AM

The battle for internet freedom is already lost if we simply accept these things.

The battle for freedom is just beginning

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Quote from: Vod on December 02, 2023, 09:26:25 PM

No one cares if xx% of browsers are Safari, or what your preferred language is.

Although the claims OP make are rather pointless, I disagree with you here. User Agent, browser language, resolution etc. are all very effective at identifying users without IP address.

Quote from: Vod on December 02, 2023, 09:26:25 PM

Remember, if you were to hide all data from a webserver, no cookies would work and most modern sites would break.

I find it annoying that data collection has become this necessary evil that we must accept as if there was no other option. Modern websites would break because they want to collect data not because of any technical reasons on the server-side. Most websites do not work correctly with Tor Browser because there are additional checks or Tor is blocked altogether. The only options we have to browse internet privately are becoming increasingly difficult to use at an alarming rate.

The battle for internet freedom is already lost if we simply accept these things.

EDIT: Phrasing

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

3 bpip - sluggish (probably because it also collects browser fingerprints) (this is very dangerous for privacy of users)

Every website that you visit collects all browser fingerprints in it's log files - it does not slow down anything. If BPIP is keeping and processing such data, where is it and why? No one cares if xx% of browsers are Safari, or what your preferred language is. Remember, if you were to hide all data from a webserver, no cookies would work and most modern sites would break.

These three services provide different types of data:

BPIP (created first) - is like the census. It collects, aggregates and compares data, ranking and sorting.
Loyce Club (created second) - is like a library. It contains RAW information which is harder to find but downloadable.
Ninjatastic Space (created third) - is like a registry. You can search for specific data if you have parameters.

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https://bpip.org

Quote from: Latviand on December 02, 2023, 10:43:12 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 02, 2022, 07:39:24 PM

Obviously I can see everyone's IP address in my hollowed-out volcano lair. For example korner's IP is 127.0.0.1 and the Queen of England has the same address so take it for what you will.

This is illegal right, doxxing someone's IP address? Wait the Queen's still alive? Will they be doing a remaster of the Bohemian Rhapsody? Or maybe just the song Under Pressure?

"Another one bites the dust" might be more relevant to the queen's current... uhmmm... status.

Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

Is your bpip site is slow because you collect the most user data or is it a problem with your hosting? Are you using JavaScript?

No, I'm just lazy. Shoveling all those bits into the intertubes is hard work.

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Quote from: TryNinja on December 02, 2023, 05:07:27 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

Why are there so many of you? One loyce.club would be enough.

I agree.

I also think that one Bitcoin is enough. Why so many of you? Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV, Bitcoin Diamond...

Huh

I don't think he can digest this one, I mean there is no escaping from this embarrassment. Busted bsv. 😅😅

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

Why are there so many of you? One loyce.club would be enough.

I agree.

I also think that one Bitcoin is enough. Why so many of you? Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV, Bitcoin Diamond...

Huh

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 10:52:15 AM

Let's tell for newbies who is creators of these spyware sites:

Loycev is a creator of Loyce.Club

I thought we discussed this 1.5 years ago:

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Quote from: LoyceV on March 03, 2022, 06:26:01 AM

I use Apache with default log settings. That means it stores traffic data. I can access it and so can my webhost. I have better things to do than look at log files and start guessing who the IP-address belongs to.

Logs can come in handy though, for instance when some very agressive scraper was using thousands of different IPs, which caused a high server load. But that instance lead me to ban innocent IPs too, so it didn't really work.

Okay. You give an impression of a decent person. Thanks you for the honest answer.

Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

1 Loyce.club - fast

Not knowing how to use databases has it's perks, 20 million static HTML files are fast to server.

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It's too many spyware sites for one forum

Why are there so many of you? One loyce.club would be enough.

This bpip.org site is very slow and sluggish. Is your bpip site is slow because you collect the most user data or is it a problem with your hosting? Are you using JavaScript?

My rating of speed of these sites

1 Loyce.club - fast
2 ninjastic - average
3 bpip - sluggish (probably because it also collects browser fingerprints) (this is very dangerous for privacy of users)

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 10:52:15 AM

Is it correct?

Yes. Unfortunately the URL o_e_l_e_oastic.space was already taken.

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Let's tell for newbies who is creators of these spyware sites:

Loycev is a creator of Loyce.Club
o_e_l_e_o is a creator of ninjastic.space
suchmoon is a creator of bpip.org

Is it correct?

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 02, 2022, 07:39:24 PM

Obviously I can see everyone's IP address in my hollowed-out volcano lair. For example korner's IP is 127.0.0.1 and the Queen of England has the same address so take it for what you will.

This is illegal right, doxxing someone's IP address? Wait the Queen's still alive? Will they be doing a remaster of the Bohemian Rhapsody? Or maybe just the song Under Pressure?

BoXXoB

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on December 02, 2023, 09:55:21 AM

A question to all of you

Are you using ipdata’s web service?
Are you using Cloudflare?
Are you using Amazon?
Are you using packet switching?

Read this
https://ipdata.co/blog/how-to-get-the-ip-address-in-javascript

This doesn't matter. If you see LoyceV and others as a threat, you should see anyone else on the forum as an equal threat. I don't see them collecting anything other than public information.

Regarding IP addresses, you should see every website you visit likewise an equal threat to your privacy.

If you don't like the services they offer, don't visit their websites. Simple.

suchmoon

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https://bpip.org

I found this website that has literally everyone's IP address:

http://icanhazip.com/

Scariest website of all the intertubes. Don't click!

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A question to all of you

Are you using ipdata’s web service?
Are you using Cloudflare?
Are you using Amazon?
Are you using packet switching?

Read this
https://ipdata.co/blog/how-to-get-the-ip-address-in-javascript

o_e_l_e_o

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I conclusively proved many years ago that 127.0.0.1 is actually BPIP's IP address:

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 06, 2018, 02:30:19 PM

Quote from: Thule on November 06, 2018, 02:17:40 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 06, 2018, 02:15:49 PM

Here, I pinged him for you. Vod's IP address is 127.0.0.1. That should be all the info your lawyers need.

And thats his IP based on what proof ?

Therefore korner = suchmoon = Vod = the King of England.

suchmoon

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https://bpip.org

Quote from: dkbit98 on December 02, 2023, 07:35:47 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 02, 2022, 07:39:24 PM

Obviously I can see everyone's IP address in my hollowed-out volcano lair. For example korner's IP is 127.0.0.1 and the Queen of England has the same address so take it for what you will.

Queen of England HAD the same address, she is dead now, but maybe new king of England took over the IP address Cool

Are you interested in selling this valuable information?

Sounds like a solid business plan, let's test it out. Would you like to buy your IP or should I sell to the highest bidder? Wink

(wondering if I should add "j/k" but I think various humorless timelords will archive it as proof of abuse and corruption either way)

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 02, 2022, 07:39:24 PM

Obviously I can see everyone's IP address in my hollowed-out volcano lair. For example korner's IP is 127.0.0.1 and the Queen of England has the same address so take it for what you will.

Queen of England HAD the same address, she is dead now, but maybe new king of England took over the IP address Cool

Are you interested in selling this valuable information?

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 02, 2023, 05:13:10 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on December 02, 2023, 04:35:19 AM

To be honest, I don't like the idea of these 3rd parties (loyce, bpip) collecting my data

How about the no doubt many more parties that do the same, but don't openly tell you about it?

I agree with you, many 3rd parties would be collecting the data without openly telling us about it. But don't get me wrong, I don't blame you either, I just said that I don't like it when someone can view my deleted/modified posts by visiting a certain website but have I ever blamed you? No, because it's a public data and we all are responsible for sharing any public data, including our IPs, screen resolution and more.
Blaming someone for collecting your public data looks like blaming someone for writing down every day what clothes you wear.

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Quote from: Synchronice on December 02, 2023, 04:35:19 AM

To be honest, I don't like the idea of these 3rd parties (loyce, bpip) collecting my data

How about the no doubt many more parties that do the same, but don't openly tell you about it?

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To be honest, I don't like the idea of these 3rd parties (loyce, bpip) collecting my data, including modified/deleted posts and many other info that they collect because the community here is a very privacy-supportive and it doesn't look like when someone tries to get max info but it's a public data after all and absolutely everyone can collect them without my permission, it's 100% legal, so I don't complain.

By the way, my approach is: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. LoyceV, Ninjastic and other users seem to be nice and I think they help the community instead of harming, so, I think they aren't doing any bad but it's better for your safety to assume that they are collecting IP data and so on.

Just download Tor, take care of your privacy and don't play Russian roulette.

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Quote from: digaran on December 01, 2023, 12:19:47 PM

this forum has access to IPs

In the past, the bitcointalk database has already leaked to the darknet and no one was held responsible for it

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But anyone can collect the data, only this forum has access to IPs, and other personal data plus a few agencies, those mentioned sites have no access to such data. And while you are at it, do you guys have a forum of your own, so we can migrate there and milk the life out of you or you are just another milker yourself? Lol.

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Quote from: digaran on November 29, 2023, 02:16:55 PM

Btw, the feds are here

We know it, but there is nothing wrong with the forum cooperating with law enforcement agencies.

I mean something else. People who are not bitcointalk owners (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic) receives data from bitcointalk users through their websites (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic). This is vulnerability. They are actually processors of personal data without a license. And these sites (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic) do not disclose information about the their owners (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic) like scam exchanges. It is unclear who will be responsible if the dump of their database with IP-data leaks to the darknet

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Seems like someone needs a new pants ever since the feds were here yesterday. 🙂 why though, have you done anything wrong beside everything you have done so far?

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This is a vulnerability and a threat incompatible with the philosophy of the cypherpunk forum

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 06, 2022, 01:28:57 PM

Because if FBI take by the gills admins of these log servers

You know all the FBI has to do is ask Cloudflare, right? They know much more about Bitcointalk users than any third-party website.

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safety of users will be in big danger

If your safety depends on logging on websites you visit, it's already too late for you.

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Quote from: DooMAD on March 06, 2022, 09:59:57 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 05, 2022, 02:33:27 PM

friendly BSV ecosystem should be integrated to bitcointalk

You'd have to be delusional to think there is even a chance of that.

There's nothing friendly about it. BSV is a hostile entity. As are you.

No, you wrong. BSV is an integral part of total crypto- ecosystem

Quote from: actmyname on March 06, 2022, 12:35:13 PM

I see no point of this thread.

This is not for you to judge, but for the consensus of the majority

Because if FBI take by the gills admins of these log servers - safety of users will be in big danger

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on March 04, 2022, 02:14:42 PM

I see reviews about Tor, Someone said: ,,Tor secretly routes your system's Internet traffic over several places on the Internet, thus hiding the real source of the communication, and securing your personal identity. Tor itself can't guarantee your privacy and security if you're not concerned enough.'' Is this safe to use based on your experience?

Can't guarantee your security, for instance if you decide to log into your favorite Facebook account and start surfing the web with your myriad email accounts and interlinked services. Even if some new IP "***.***.*.**" or fingerprint A is unknown at the start, if they start doing things that link them to you... should go read into the help guide.

I see no point of this thread. Whether these entities answer in one way or not, their recognition of the affirmative is not evidence thereof.

At the end of the day, you're trusting the words and intentions of others: if you aren't comfortable with that, use any sort of mechanism you have to for obfuscation. There are ways.

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 05, 2022, 02:33:27 PM

friendly BSV ecosystem should be integrated to bitcointalk

You'd have to be delusional to think there is even a chance of that.

There's nothing friendly about it. BSV is a hostile entity. As are you.

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Quote from: DooMAD on March 05, 2022, 01:44:35 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

If so, then the safety of bitcointalk users is under big menace

Something tells me you're less concerned about the safety of other users...

You're wrong.
I want to be an useful bitcointalk member.

friendly BSV ecosystem should be integrated to bitcointalk

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

If so, then the safety of bitcointalk users is under big menace

Something tells me you're less concerned about the safety of other users and more scared that someone might uncover the evidence they need to have your myriad sockpuppet accounts nuked for ban-evasion.

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 06:01:17 PM

I consider that on these sites should be a warning of big large words, which indicates whether IP addresses are collected or not

It is not possible to know with certainty if any of these sites are collecting personal information. You should assume that the operators are collecting information on their users.

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on March 04, 2022, 02:14:42 PM

I see reviews about Tor, Someone said: ,,Tor secretly routes your system's Internet traffic over several places on the Internet, thus hiding the real source of the communication, and securing your personal identity. Tor itself can't guarantee your privacy and security if you're not concerned enough.'' Is this safe to use based on your experience?

Maybe you should read through the whole "review" rather than just quote out the part that excites your eyes.

Let me help you with the link The Do’s and Don’ts of Tor Network
You are welcome

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on March 02, 2022, 10:36:48 AM

News flash: Every website you have ever visited is doing a lot more spying and privacy invasion than just looking at your IP address.

Use Tor.

I see reviews about Tor, Someone said: ,,Tor secretly routes your system's Internet traffic over several places on the Internet, thus hiding the real source of the communication, and securing your personal identity. Tor itself can't guarantee your privacy and security if you're not concerned enough.'' Is this safe to use based on your experience?

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Quote from: LoyceV on March 03, 2022, 06:26:01 AM

I use Apache with default log settings. That means it stores traffic data. I can access it and so can my webhost. I have better things to do than look at log files and start guessing who the IP-address belongs to.

Logs can come in handy though, for instance when some very agressive scraper was using thousands of different IPs, which caused a high server load. But that instance lead me to ban innocent IPs too, so it didn't really work.

Okay. You give an impression of a decent person. Thanks you for the honest answer.

LoyceV

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I use Apache with default log settings. That means it stores traffic data. I can access it and so can my webhost. I have better things to do than look at log files and start guessing who the IP-address belongs to.

Logs can come in handy though, for instance when some very agressive scraper was using thousands of different IPs, which caused a high server load. But that instance lead me to ban innocent IPs too, so it didn't really work.

By all means:

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on March 02, 2022, 10:36:48 AM

Use Tor.

I set no limitations. Not even a captcha.

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 07:59:02 PM

Waiting for Loycev's reply

I saw LoyceV in the local store selling IP addresses, collected from the Bitcointalk forum. I told him, don't do this, someone will raise that question but he just ignored it.

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Quote from: logfiles on March 02, 2022, 07:05:12 PM

https://bpip.org/privacy.aspx

Okay

Quote from: TryNinja on March 02, 2022, 10:52:14 AM

I don't store any IP or data that can identify users for the ninjastic.space website.

Okay

Waiting for Loycev's reply

suchmoon

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https://bpip.org

Obviously I can see everyone's IP address in my hollowed-out volcano lair. For example korner's IP is 127.0.0.1 and the Queen of England has the same address so take it for what you will.

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 06:01:17 PM

This is important for bitcointalk- and crypto- community. Otherwise, all this talk about decentralization and anonymity is complete nonsense.

I'd like to point out that nothing is as black and white in crypto as you're implying it should be, and that goes for both decentralization and anonymity. Hell, if you want to be completely anonymous with your dabbling in crypto you'd stay off of forums and related sites altogether and not risk possibly exposing your IP address to any of them.

I'm not sure what IP address tracking and decentralization have to do with one another, by the way. If BPIP or any of the other sites did keep a record of such, what does that centralize exactly? And I've said this numerous times before, "decentralization" has become a sort of buzzword for a kind of idyllic state of being, but it's nothing of the sort. Some systems work better when they're centralized, some when they're decentralized....and as far as LoyceV or anyone else knowing what your IP is, the term just doesn't apply. Unless you can explain how it does, of course.

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

If so, then the safety of bitcointalk users is under big menace

If they do, so does Bitcointalk.org, or you needed to be reminded?

and https://bpip.org/privacy.aspx

So, again... What's your point?

Quote from: Bitcoin SV on March 02, 2022, 06:01:17 PM

Otherwise, all this talk about decentralization and anonymity is complete nonsense.

It's complete nonsense if your lazy ass can't download Tor browser or use a good VPN to mask your online identity. Not the other way round.

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I consider that on these sites should be a warning of big large words, which indicates whether IP addresses are collected or not

loyce.club
bpip.org
ninjastic.space

This is important for bitcointalk- and crypto- community. Otherwise, all this talk about decentralization and anonymity is complete nonsense.

TryNinja

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I don't store any IP or data that can identify users for the ninjastic.space website. But you can't know that, so do what o_e_l_e_o said.

o_e_l_e_o

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News flash: Every website you have ever visited is doing a lot more spying and privacy invasion than just looking at your IP address.

Use Tor.