Topic: Does Skill Work? (Read 3114 times)

It's depending on what kind of gambling that you choose to play, just like you had mentioned above.
For gambling, skill not mostly works but knowledge, experience, skill and luck that matter to win the game.
If want profit choose that you good at, not only depend on luck.

Ofcourse still works if you have skill on cards then you are going to win and luck beside you and if you have good skill in poker like reading your opponents cards thats awesome because of player are use to bluff each other both are equally important to keep you on winning track soome casinos are needs a player that has a skills on card

Yes if some people say i've a good skill in poker games and i can read the card. it's like something crazy for hear maybe they don't know if that card random so no one can know what the card will out.

luck and skills are required in any type of gambling , both are equally important to keep you on winning track. even if you are a professional poker player who have skills and won so many tournaments it wouldn't gives you any guarantee to win every single game.

Actually there are some professional sports bettors who master math and sports. They arbitrage on odds to make sure bets. You can search "sports betting arbitrage" in google. you will know it is very strategic.

im agree with this , patience is a virtue where people always chase for there lose if you always chase for you lose you always get nothing on your hand because you always greed , the more you greed the more chances you bet high and get lose in earning you always make your patience high so that you able to wait for the turn you gonna win

I will say skills work in p2p type of gambling in some specific card games. When you are playing against house believe me you are always exposed to many risks. Skills work in sports betting and poker type games where little luck plus skills become great combination. Most of the casino games are purely chances and luck based.

Skills are required on that game is on how you  manage your  card and on decision making but the most important of all  is when luck is beside you then you would definitely win to those games but  it wouldnt guarantee you in the long rn because as we all know that gambling are just a matter of luck.

There are some card games that require some skills in order to win. Poker and blackjack is one of them, but chances are you are likely to lose unexpectedly.

How can you have skills when the numbers or cards are random? You never know what card or number to expect. Therefore, you can't play with 'skills' when it comes to gambling! The only skill we can have is to know when to deal or stand or whatever you have to do.

Yeah , the luck is needed for getting good cards and when you must to raise your bet or fold your card.
But for video poker the luck is very important because you must choose right table to win that bet , unlike PvP where you must have the skill about card strategy and winning tricks.

Poker is the one gambling game where you don't play against the casino but against other players. And you still need luck to win the game. Skill helps you in some games but overall luck is the biggest factor in gambling.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.

Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Because everything in gambling is based on luck although strat can help us track that where doing healthy gambling but still yet it cannot gaurantee us to win and earn money with it, but yeah the strat are working on some sportsbook since if you do some wise bet and a sportsfan and frequently follows the league daily will can get have advantage to point out who's gonna win and who is the underdog for that game.


But if you think theres working strat in dice game will throw that thoughs because it actually fools you since we can still lose with that remember house is still the champ in the end of the game.

Yeah you should still need to have a luck in skills base games.. because every thing in gambling are need luck because its a card game or sports betting.
Almost all in gambling are needs luck in order to win even that game needs skills.

I think I agree with your list but what do you mean by Sport Select® and Sports pools? Why not just sports betting, since although I don't know what those are, I believe they should be related to that. I do agree that you put horse racing in a different category, since they are very hard to predict. Also where is poker?

You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.

It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.

No such thing as any skill that can make you magically win at gambling.
Sure if they out think the other players in a match up in poker then yeah I can see that as a skill of being clever. But going into gaming you would need inherent cleverness to make it out with some money at least and not come out as a loser with empty pockets all the time..
at least I would think that is the case. Cause if you don't have money going in you can not play! 

This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Good analysis, people who want to profit from gamble should look on Skill based games, then calculate their chances and expected value. If odds are on your side, you can expect to be in profit in the long run,

Not really, sportsbetting is a bit of both. Sports aren't that difficult to predict; sometimes there are upsets but not often. You can always analyze games, and see how big a chance of an upset will be. For example, a game in the regular season will have more chance of an upset than in the playoffs, as most teams try their hardest in the playoffs, as they want to go all the way to the finals.

Poker and blackjack are also strategy mixed with luck; however, strategy can help you beat the odds for sure.

poker and blackjack pure play with strategy, but sportsbet still depends on luck, difficult to predict and sometimes unexpected results.

I agree with you. That three gamblings games poker, sportsbet and blackjack need skills. Especially on sports betting that i also gamble on sports betting.

Great gambler is able to use both of the skill and their luck. I can say it's difficult since they seldom getting synergy but nothing is possible as long as they keep try and you just realize that you have win big , today !

skills surely work but you have to have them firsk and have the potential of learning it. there are many games that need your skills to even play them like poker games. you can't even play it if you don't know what it is and certainly you can never win if you don't have the skills.

Many gamble games are base on skills not in luck.. i think coin flip dice game or black jack are base on luck.
And poker and sports betting are for skills.. and other card games that you need skills to make profit..

Skill has no place as far as gambling is concerned. With betting it is a mix of both. Having knowledge of the bet will only increase your chances of winning so long as you keep a good winning strategy and don't lose all in one wild bet you were 100% sure on but never ended that way. It always seems that is how it happens doesn't it ^^

I can't say that only Skill base you can win in gambling. Luck is one important thing and secondly skills and brain need in gambling, because we are talking about gambling. But in jobs and other fields of business musty need skills, but in gambling it is total different thing. Because most of the games only need luck but some games are here in gambling, where we need skills and information like first of fall Poker and black jack.

Skills work most of the time in some specific type of games when it talk about gambling. There are some games like sports games where good knowledge and skills of analysis based on statistics are important and in poker as well. Skills will not make you win always in chance based games like dice,roulette and slots machines and so on. Skills and luck in combination is best pair to win most of the times.

Poker, sports bet, and blackjack should be skillful games. Know the strategies and master the rules is the key of winning.

Yes rightly mentioned in games like roulette,dice,lottery,Scratch tickets & break-opens and others that you mentioned are based totally on luck.There i dont think i skill required to win them.Its only about the luck.
I think skill level work only in sports betting where a players knowledge on sport has a better chance to win than a player who dont know much about any particular sport.With skill i think patience is required in sports betting.

In my opinion, I think there is limitation to skills in games of chance however one can still make headway if the skill is good enough to understand the trend but not with certainty as chance is still the deciding factor. However, one can use the skill to limit or mange losses. But when it comes to trading that is beyond chance and skill plays a great role if one is to make some headway over there...

Yes, i too consider sports betting will come under skill base games. But nowadays here also we are losing our bets because of unexpected results. Yes, our guessing will not working, I don't know the particular reason, it may be match fixing or players poor performance or some other reasons. But compare to poker, sports betting is easy and we can able to make some money.

You can win in the long run with sports betting but lately especially on weekends some of the good games end unexpectedly. A much better team losses to a very weak team of the league when the better team is playing at home. To make an example as I have seen this happening in Finland Veikkausliga and Hungary OTP Bank Liga, I have seen teams leading losing at home to team of relegation. I have not a logical explanation to such things except that maybe some of the games are fixed.

gambling is just a fortune . You do not need the expertise of specially . just in the beginning you'll definitely feel advantaged and disadvantaged continuously

I also will agree with you sports betting is also based on skills, any person can make huge profit by using skills with particular game, it's very simple if we get touch with sports and keep eye on recent changes than it's very to predict the result, but nobody can know about the fixed match result which is the reason so people lost their money for unexpected result. 

The place where skill work is Texas Holdem Poker. If you are patient enough and don't rush when playing there but keep your self cool and think very quietly you can make a lot of money by playing against other players. Thats the only place where skill can make you an advantage. At any other game like dice, slot, roulette which are games of chances you are relying on pure luck to win. Even in sports betting you are relying on luck more than skill as they say the ball is circle and anything can happen even when hot favorites are playing against much weaker teams.

Have you ever tried sports betting because in sports also betting on need more skills and some luck to win the bets? All those card games even we need some skills but mostly depends on luck and without luck, I don't think we can win on a regular basis. In sports betting also due to match fixes, difficult to guess results very accurately.

Well there are a few games where skill actually is needed to win, take poker for example. But in general, with gambling, mostly what you really need is luck as gambling is playing factors ran by chance. In gambling games like dice, lottery and slots, you only have to be lucky to win

in gambling, you always need luck because no matter what game you play it is still a game with a "chance" of winning no matter your skills.
also i think you can call any strategy that you use and it is good and working as your skills, no matter what game you are playing. although the real meaning of skills is more understandable in games like poker and sports betting but still using a good strategy in dice that can help you win is also a skill.

It dependa on what game that you played, if you said blackjack you dont really need much skill though because it is actually based on your luck and on how good your calculation is. Luck is just some part on blackjack. But if you play poker game ehat you really need is skill and luck is really tiny needs on here, although if you dony have any luck you still can use your skill to win some money there

i think in gambling, both skill and luck is related. if someone have skill but no luck, he can not win. but if someone without skill but have big luck, then he can win. maybe skill will work with sportbetting, because in sportbetting, we should know about each team that we want to make bet, and then we can make a list what point that maybe can make that team win or loss, after that we can make final decision.

The only game I have seen that is based on some kind of skill is poker, that's it. There's some luck involved though(what cards you are getting, and what cards the other players have).

blackjack is a -EV game , but skills can definitely reduce the house edge
for example some newbies may hit when they have 16 and the dealer showing a deuce , and this is kinda terrible move
you can't win always , but you can reduce the house edge when you have some understanding for the game

I do agree some games are based skill like sports betting and blackjack but I don't think we can always win only with our skills because we also need some luck to support our skills or guess to come true. So at the end Luck is very important in gambling than skills.

Actually in Blackjack there is a strategy called 'counting cards' which can bring you real advantage over the casino.
In real world casinos if staff realize that you are counting cards they will most likely ask you to leave. So yes, they are afraid of it.

More info about it here: https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/resources/how-to-count-cards/

I think blackjack is not base on strategy its more base on luck.. 
Or almost all are need luck not only strategy if you have a strategy it won't work without luck.. it needs also luck..
Its not all base in strategy.. you will never win even you have a strong strategy without luck..

I don't think gambling is skill-based. Just a few categories, like sports betting. Except them, it's all about luck.

I don't consider BlackJack being a skill-based game either, not even partially. There are still random cards, you never know what you're going to get.

Actually in every task it needs strategy and skills so as in gambling,it needs skills and strategy.Once you gamble right from the start you have your plans on how you can win and earned,not that just by putting up to something without even thinking.Don't just say it was just for fun ,once your into gambling to earned and win matters,so it takes skills.

For the Poker i think this one is the best answer

As others have said, skill plays a major role in poker. Other factors play a part also. And while skill is a big factor, one doesn't necessarily need to be the most skilled poker player to be profitable, just more skilled than at  least one other player at your table. Sure that player can get lucky on occasion and win a few hands, but in the long run, higher poker skills give you an advantage over less skilled players.

Yes heads and tails game is a good option, I have seen some people martingale on real cricket match tosses and try to increase bet slowly when loose. While I think its a good idea but the chance are still same loosing and winning.

Yes skill works because there are professional gamblers who get their earnings for living just from gambling on their skills.As you mentioned at op in some games you really need luck to win.

This is not just skill which works but you also need little trick to win.Gambling actually is a combination of skill and trick to dodge your component when you are playing poker especially.

heads and tails game also purely on chances
at this game the skill doesn’t work i guess
depends on luck skill not required

That is a valid point. Probability speaking, it is more likely to get a long losing streak in 2x bet in dice (50.5% chance to lose a bet) than in roulette (51.35% chance to lose a bet). But with autobetting, you could be doing several bets every second in dice, while in roulette you would be doing 10 bets or so a minute only.

Most of the lists that you made are true. Some gambling take skill and some just pure luck.
Depends on what you prefer to do as well.

Still , all you need is luck .

of course skill works, otherwise anyone with a bit of poker knowledge would be on tv at the major poker tournaments and making millions. there is a skill ceiling to poker and there are a handful of players who consistently play at that level and are constantly appearing at these events. that should be more than a small indication of how much skill can matter.

yah cause roulette is a very slow play. so it will tends to be quite hard to play too many times to experience 20 consecutively loss but still it is very possible in the long run.

try it with very small units and see yourself or google for the biggest streak on roulette black or red

May be that will not happen in online poker. Mimic and some emotion that you let people to see that will just happened in direct play not online poker. And bluff too that is not 100% works because sometimes people will follow your bluff because they also have a good card so although skill your really need some luck when you play all gambling games

Yes, i think skills work on some gambling. Like poker and blackjack. These two games also need luck but the next step is your skills, like poker you need to smart to trick or bluff.

Well, do not know why but I always feel that betting on roulette at a particular colour maybe say " red " is better than betting on 50% chance at any site , simply because I have never heard anyone loosing 20 roulette bets consecutively, while I have seen in dice.

Yap, poker requires skill but not 100% skill. Players still need luck to win on poker, and I would say that bluff is not a skill. It is just a crazy thing to do on poker

i do agree with you if you're playing poker and blackjack you will need not only just luck but also need good skill to do it because if someone doesn't have it i'm quite doubt they can win if only rely of pure luck

I think the only gamble that required skill is only Poker, because even with bad cards you still can win the game, using bluff technique

and the professional player also can use mimic or emotion bluffing tecnique

Yes skill is working on gambling, if you have skill to not be greedy then you will earn your profit

Yeah, in the end for both it comes down to luck. You could get a bad hand in poker or a team that you were 100% sure would win suddenly looses.
You could get very unlucky and lose it all.

I do agree to make some money from poker and sports betting we need skills and patience but only with these two we can't win in all bets. Even though these are skill based games but we still need some luck to win in these games also. So luck is very important factor in gambling winnings.

Those games, online, require a lot of luck. You need to be very lucky to not end playing with a cheater . If you are talking about face to face multiplayer chess, yeah, it is mainly about skill, but such games are not covered in this thread.

I think with poker and sportbetting is is possible to make profit.
For win  it's needed more experience and parince.

for me skills never work on any kind of gambling games and i never manage to end up in decent profit when gambling my money, but i know others who use their skills when gambling successfuly

Yes

Poker is played against other humans, not the house.  Humans are exploitable.  Imagine playing against a human whose aggression is completely out of control.  I play against them every day.  Imagine playing against a human who is afraid to take any risk.  There are plenty of them.  And they identify themselves.  The house-created games are almost always not exploitable (unless the people who created them are incompetent).  Bitcoin internet poker has a unique combination of advantages that none of the others (including brick and mortar poker) have. The very low rake (or even zero rake at the lowest tables on SwCPoker) allows players to gain the needed skill at very low expense.  It is not unusual to play over 100 hands per hour.  In contrast, trying to learn how to play poker in a brick and mortar poker room can be expensive and time-consuming.  It is Bitcoins that allow internet poker to be provided at such low expense.  

Indeed. If you are skilled enough in poker, you can make thousands of money in the casino.

that is correct. Black Jack would be a skill game if the cards of the decks would be countable. most online casinos offering Black Jack shuffle after each game and that means there is no skill involved

I Wouldn't say there is much skill as such in blackjack but other than luck and skill there is also sense. In blackjack you need to know when to play a certain way for example
common sense goes a good way towards both luck and skill

Yup Forgot to place the Dice, Because Dice is One of the Most Chance game. For the blackjack its one of the very few casino games in which players can minimize the house advantage they face by using what is known as “basic strategy.” Basic strategy is a set of rules that tells players the statistically best way to play a hand based on two factors – the up card of the dealer and their own cards. Basic strategy doesn’t ensure a player will win every hand. Using basic strategy does give a player the best possible chance of winning and will help minimize the cost of play over time. Remember, using basic strategy does not eliminate the house advantage – it merely minimizes it. Many casinos actually distribute basic strategy cards that players can use while they are playing. During a hand, players can also ask the dealer what decision they should make (hit, stand, etc.) based on basic strategy.

Why I can't see any dice inside the chance games? Isnt dice include in chance game? Btw blackjack have something to do with skill? I dont really think that blackjack is using any skills to play because you are compete with banker card so this is pure luck there you just need to stop increase your card when it is higher so I guess this is purely chances games

Yeah certain games require skill, and it's always good to learn strategies and how games work, but you
have to factor in luck as well.

You can have little skill and get very lucky, or you can be very skillful and have no luck at all

Poker needs skill, and sometimes I feel games like bustabit also needs a little skill, though its provably fair and yet needs luck.
I think more games that need luck are like multiplayer chess and such games which you cant win alone with luck at all.

True, poker is one of the, if not, the most skill-oriented gambling game there is - at the moment.

My thoughts exactly. Poker and Player vs Player games take a huge amount of skill to get to a point where you can win consistently. Although, it can take some good cards/ Luck / Chance to win, But experience and skill give you the advantages in certain situations to know when to make a certain move or a big fold. When it comes to Skill based gambling, poker is the only way to go.

Games where I consider skill to be crucial are Poker, blackjack, pretty much all of the card games where you can have an strategy. The rest, not really. You can't develop deep strategies with dice or slot, you are just playing on raw luck.

Games like Battlecoin are 100% reflex and prediction skills tho.

It is hard to draw the line between luck and skill if you are talking about casino games. We can agree that some games are pure chance based and only luck will help you win - Slot, Bingo, Keno, Lottery, Roulette etc.
But in games commonly viewed as more skill based: every type of Poker, sport betting and black jack - even if you are exceptionally skilled and knowledgeable with no luck you can't win.

You forgot to include regular poker games, player vs player. Where skill is most. Or at least most from the list above.

In P2P Poker, site only collect rake and doesn't care at all which player will win.

I was seeing this Section and saw many people saying that your Skill Work mostly in Gambling, Yes There are a few types of games where skill can also play some role, but in most games, skill plays absolutely no role. . Independence of events, Randomness and House Advantages are the most important concept in the gambling that one Should have Knowledge when you are gambling.

Let’s look at where skill does, and doesn’t, come into play.

Games Based Purely on Chance
(No Skill element)

1. Lotteries
2. Scratch tickets & break-opens
3. Spinning reel games on slots and VLTs
4. Roulette
5. Mini-baccarat
6. Craps
7. Keno
8. Raffles
9. Dice

The results of these games are produced purely by chance – skill plays absolutely no role. There is nothing players can do to become “better” at these games. Each result is chosen by a random generating device, such as a roulette wheel or a random number generator on a VLT, and each result is completely independent from all the other bets.

Games Based Mostly on Chance
(Some Skill element)

Most of the games that fall into this category are card or sports-based games:

1. Blackjack
2. Pai Gow poker
3. Casino-based poker games (3 card poker, Caribbean stud, Texas hold ‘em bonus, etc.)
4. Sport Select®
5. Sports pools
6. Horse racing
7. P2P

In these games, there is some room for players to apply their skill. While skillful players may be able to keep their cost of play to a minimum, the gambling operator will still always have a house advantage.

The reason that skill can play a role in these games is that players must make decisions that can affect the outcome. Players who make bad decisions will win less often than players who consistently make good decisions.  You can read More here