Does the ETH/BTC ratio present a trading opportunity ?

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Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

keeping in view the bearish trend, I think if you are looking for long term investment then its perfectly fine to buy eth at this price since eth has the potential to go way up in the long but for short term traders this price is a bit high. since market is already coming back and I think we will have bearish market once again.

We can't stop the trend of bearish market while there's no sufficient demand that could trigger bullrun, in order to correct the latest price movements. There's an opportunity in every dipping of eth and btc value, so to have the chance of accumulating more holding, don't ignore minor dumps. Grab every single opportunity in order to acquire huge profit.

for long-term holders of course he has strong faith in the coins he holds, both Eth and Btc. both types of coins have the potential to be invested. but for a short-term trader who wants quick profits, of course he will choose to trade on bitcoin because the price has increased and decreased unlike Eth which looks quite stable and certainly will not provide profits in a short time

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Looking with last year when bitcoin above $8,000 ethereum keep stable with higher price about $700 but what happen with this year when bitcoin ever reached above $10k but ethereum keep going down under $150, what going on with ethereum and why price look very dump, will be ethereum have finished right now or not.

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People do like ethereum a lot more recently, thats probably because of the ethereum hard fork (istanbul) and thats nice however the amount of interest shown into ethereum creates questions like these from newbies. I am a newbie friendly guy, the more people interested in crypto the better for us both because it increases the adoption rate but also because we are actually increasing the price with more people coming in and buying crypto as well.

Ethereum going higher than bitcoin is a viable option considering all these demand and interest and attention it is getting, I am sure with the hard fork approaching it will get higher as well and after the hard fork if staking is an option I am pretty sure there will be less and less people selling and more people staking, so this is a good assumption.

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In business everyone presents business opportunities Because now it is more profitable to invest in BTC than ETH. ETH has reached far better meaning than before but I think when it comes to high prices due to lack of market stability it is very difficult to determine its policy.

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I have eth and btc in my crypto portfolio and I think my eth hodling is enough and there's no need for me to add some since there's no improvement in the price for a while already.

But in btc we can see an increase in span of few months and due to the halving its better to accumulate more rather than spending it to buy alts.

We have to take advantage and be practical on the situation, btc is in the limelight and has a possibility to show improvement hence its just right to focus on accumulating btc.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

Lol, I don't know what is the opportunity on ETH today because the price seems to be stagnant and can't even breach $200 now. The real performer here is BTC, no matter how you look at it, it is still performing very well if you're going to gauge it to its previous high.

Why most of the alts, including ETH are -90%. So it doesn't make sense to look for trading opportunity other than BTC here, just saying.

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Quote from: sovie on January 21, 2020, 01:44:12 AM

Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

keeping in view the bearish trend, I think if you are looking for long term investment then its perfectly fine to buy eth at this price since eth has the potential to go way up in the long but for short term traders this price is a bit high. since market is already coming back and I think we will have bearish market once again.

We can't stop the trend of bearish market while there's no sufficient demand that could trigger bullrun, in order to correct the latest price movements. There's an opportunity in every dipping of eth and btc value, so to have the chance of accumulating more holding, don't ignore minor dumps. Grab every single opportunity in order to acquire huge profit.

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I think its not a feasible idea right now, there are many traders who did this strategy in the past but trust me, Bitcoin has more potential than people think. Of course it is better than buy other altcoins which have allot less potential. Eth has good developments and updates this year and if everything gets successful then we may see ETh move above $1000. But Bitcoin halving is greater news than anything.

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Quote from: sana54210 on January 20, 2020, 12:35:46 AM

I choose fiat calculations rather than risking with altcoins for the reason of multiplying my bitcoin stash. Investment life is simple and I do not want to complicate it with uncalculated risks.

All altcoin trading and investments do not fall into the category of uncalculated risking as there are many good and real use-case based altcoins which are always good to invest and trade with. Ethereum must be one of them. They are good for long term investment even IEO is replacing the use cases of ethereum. I mean ethereum platform will find enough space against the tough competitions from IEO and BNB or EOS kind of new platform providers.

You may be right with your approach but if you are successful and able to get good returns for your altcoin investments in terms of bitcoins then that would be a life changing opportunity rather than simply holding bitcoins for years.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

keeping in view the bearish trend, I think if you are looking for long term investment then its perfectly fine to buy eth at this price since eth has the potential to go way up in the long but for short term traders this price is a bit high. since market is already coming back and I think we will have bearish market once again.

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I think at first, or now maybe people still focus on BTC. Maybe after that, when ETH follow bitcoin to be pumped, and 2.0 coming, people's hype will changed to ETH, and with/without ICO, ETH can get it is own popularity again. I am still holding it now although people said that ETH wouldn't get pumped anymore.

ETH won't get pumped anymore? I don't think so. Let us see how its trend will change its course once Bitcoin will move forward.
Its all been like that before and Ethereum will follow wherever Bitcoin moves side by side. I know people are so relying upon Bitcoin as halving event comes and Bitcoin demand will increase but I supposed to think also that Ethereum believers would never abandon this coin and move to Bitcoin.

May this time is a good way to start investing in both Bitcoin and Ethereum. We don't get bothered of what we've heard FUDs around cause it most likely it will only give you a way to lose your focus in trading and doubt. Believe what you think is right and not by following the others (false) statement.

After the breakout of the ETH, there is new major resistance that was formed and it is in $160 area. The price is currently consolidating if you will use darvas box. I have current position in ETH and I will buy more if there will gonna be a breakout again because we should remember that if there is a breakout, the previous resistance will become support and it is a good sign of a healthy market.

There are many opportunities to buy ETH and BTC, we are not just trained to have a skill to see this kind of opportunity. There are many trading setups that we can use to have a higher chance of winning rate. Right now the price of ETH resist at $180 where it also can be called as psychological resistance. We can do swing trades here as long as the price will consolidate in the area of value.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on January 20, 2020, 04:09:42 PM

I think at first, or now maybe people still focus on BTC. Maybe after that, when ETH follow bitcoin to be pumped, and 2.0 coming, people's hype will changed to ETH, and with/without ICO, ETH can get it is own popularity again. I am still holding it now although people said that ETH wouldn't get pumped anymore.

ETH won't get pumped anymore? I don't think so. Let us see how its trend will change its course once Bitcoin will move forward.
Its all been like that before and Ethereum will follow wherever Bitcoin moves side by side. I know people are so relying upon Bitcoin as halving event comes and Bitcoin demand will increase but I supposed to think also that Ethereum believers would never abandon this coin and move to Bitcoin.

May this time is a good way to start investing in both Bitcoin and Ethereum. We don't get bothered of what we've heard FUDs around cause it most likely it will only give you a way to lose your focus in trading and doubt. Believe what you think is right and not by following the others (false) statement.

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I think at first, or now maybe people still focus on BTC. Maybe after that, when ETH follow bitcoin to be pumped, and 2.0 coming, people's hype will changed to ETH, and with/without ICO, ETH can get it is own popularity again. I am still holding it now although people said that ETH wouldn't get pumped anymore.

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There is always opportunity with any trading pairs if the ration doesn't stay the same all the time. If there is some deviation between the coins you could have an opportunity for buys or sells.

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Quote from: cotton ball on January 20, 2020, 01:09:38 PM

Yes I do, I think eth and bitcoin become ratio present for trading opportunity but many time bitcoin look slowly going to higher price and eth keep stable with lower price, far away our expectation with ethereum can back with higher price until last day keep lower price and bitcoin never continue to grow up on higher price.

It was just all because of the market demand and supply. Some investors are just buying Bitcoin only and make ETH don't take a chance to move either...
It is about time to think that Bitcoin isn't really correlated to Ethereum. Whatever it happens to Bitcoin we can no longer say that Ethereum will somewhat be affected too much.

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Yes I do, I think eth and bitcoin become ratio present for trading opportunity but many time bitcoin look slowly going to higher price and eth keep stable with lower price, far away our expectation with ethereum can back with higher price until last day keep lower price and bitcoin never continue to grow up on higher price.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

This is also one of the ways of professional traders. I have tried such transactions and it only helps us get more bitcoins than we originally had. But really, if bitcoin does not grow, then it is considered that our efforts have nothing. Why don't you trade ETHUSDT and then use USDT to buy bitcoin at a more appropriate time? In general, the result is that we still want to earn more USD. So why trade with BTC?

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Quote from: panganib999 on January 20, 2020, 10:26:44 AM

And if the odds go down? Doesn't that mean you'd lose the profit you could've earned with directly investing on BTC? Also, its not like BTC would wait for the ratio with ETH before going down. Still, up to you. It's still unclear whats going to happen with BTC during the halving season after all.

Yes , absolutely , then you lose , thats why I say in the video if you are investing $100 then invest most into BTC and the opportunity is to invest some of that into ETH to potentially gain this benefit if it goes up. Watch my calculation at the 9 min mark

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I guess that is literally what buying eth is, basically you are talking about if you should buy ethereum and will the price of ethereum increase (versus bitcoin instead of dollars in this case) and that has been something people have talked about for years.

There are times ethereum increases bigger than bitcoin, there are other times when bitcoin goes up and eth goes down, nobody can deny that both possibilities are there.

However, there is no 100% guarantee that ethereum will go higher faster than bitcoin, that is something very risky and even tho possible very unlikely in a world where 90% of the time btc goes up alone instead of alts. Yes very recently there was a moment when both bitcoin went up and alts went up with it but that doesn't mean that will happen every time.

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Any altcoin with a good enough reputation is a good trading opportunity IMO. It just depends on whether you're able to take advantage of the basics of trading, to buy low and sell high. Still, the relationship between altcoins and BTC can mostly be seen with every decrease in price, since once BTC decreases its price, altcoins almost always follows, and the percentage is even closely similar to the drop of BTC itself.

Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 11:56:11 PM

Guys , I'm NOT saying sell BTC to buy ETH , that is risky ( given what we expect from BTC over the next 12-24 months , and the unknowns around ETH ).

What I'm saying in the video is that - should you want to buy more BTC now ( as we're still in the accumulation phase ) , it might be a good idea to invest some funds into ETH , and when the ratio climbs , you swop for BTC , this way you get more BTC than if you invested directly into BTC.

And if the odds go down? Doesn't that mean you'd lose the profit you could've earned with directly investing on BTC? Also, its not like BTC would wait for the ratio with ETH before going down. Still, up to you. It's still unclear whats going to happen with BTC during the halving season after all.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 11:56:11 PM

Guys , I'm NOT saying sell BTC to buy ETH , that is risky ( given what we expect from BTC over the next 12-24 months , and the unknowns around ETH ).

What I'm saying in the video is that - should you want to buy more BTC now ( as we're still in the accumulation phase ) , it might be a good idea to invest some funds into ETH , and when the ratio climbs , you swop for BTC , this way you get more BTC than if you invested directly into BTC.

A valid way though but it depends on how much risk you can put on rather than going into the safe side.

If you can handle it out and do accept the risk then go ahead yet this one would really give out opportunity to accumulate even more BTC and same as yours i wont
consider on selling btc to buy ETH.You can accumulate btc without the need on doing such thing.

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Although ETH is still the second largest currency in the market, since the scam ICO appears regularly and the delay in updating to the 2.0 update has caused ETH to lose investor confidence. A lot of investors have abandoned ETH and no appointment to return.
If you think the current ETH / BTC ratio is good I think you should buy it, but I think this is not the right time to buy more ETH.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

I think that it is good if we buy crypto using fiat or dollar. Because when the Ethereum price was moving the Bitcoin price also be moved, they have almost tied up the price and I think I will rather hold my bitcoin than investing in an altcoin. That's why when Bitcoin was drastically going down there is USDT (a stable coin) that you can divert to cut your lose and reinvest again in Bitcoin once you feel that it will surge back in the market. However, due to the market unpredictable, we should have a perfect timing in trading.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

The low conversion value of ETH to BTC is the indication that ETH is no longer a promising investment as it was an year or two ago. Due to ICO boom couple of years ago, prices of ETH skyrocketed. But since then it is continuously falling. ICO trend is outdating, people no longer taking risk by investing in new coins, rather they are buying coins already listed on exchange.
Hence, near future of Ethereum is also looking bleak as compared to Bitcoin. Don't be surprised if ratio falls further in coming months. Better keep your funds in BTC than ETH.

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Quote from: leowonderful on January 19, 2020, 11:26:43 PM

It's just as valid as any other trading opportunity on any other Bitcoin to altcoin pair out there. I also agree that it does seem like the ETHBTC ratio has bottomed out in the past few months and doesn't seem very likely to go down in the near future, but it's still pretty risky, though the rewards could also potentially be good. Bitcoin rising in price also doesn't guarantee that something like ETH will necessarily rise in BTC value; the little bull run we had in 2019 didn't do much to change the downtrend in ETHBTC at all, and actually accelerated it when things began turning around.

Today we are now experiencing the price of the bitcoin and ethereum got drop and this is an excellent chance to make a lot of investment because after the price goes down because of the amount of the bitcoin and eth on the previous week shows a reasonable market price now we are experiencing a crisis. It is better to grab the opportunity to make more investment, so in the future it can give a good market value and profit.

The drop is not bad actually compare on what happen last year and the price is reasonable also the volatility is profitable if you know how to day trade. The crisis you man subsides little by little due to the halving hype and maybe we can experience the bullish season starting this month or maybe in next so best to grab the opportunity so that you will not buy an expensive BTC and left out when the hype for it gone.

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Both are profitable as long you know when enter and out, the problem only about moment. Value always make people think to replace money but both have good foundation to keep going, slow movement but in up mode. The point is you try to invite us invest with eth but how we can buy eth if not sell btc, people like me doesn't have enough money for investment. Your target is Eth 2.0 but you must understand market is unpredictable, so btc still become priority.

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Quote from: leowonderful on January 19, 2020, 11:26:43 PM

It's just as valid as any other trading opportunity on any other Bitcoin to altcoin pair out there. I also agree that it does seem like the ETHBTC ratio has bottomed out in the past few months and doesn't seem very likely to go down in the near future, but it's still pretty risky, though the rewards could also potentially be good. Bitcoin rising in price also doesn't guarantee that something like ETH will necessarily rise in BTC value; the little bull run we had in 2019 didn't do much to change the downtrend in ETHBTC at all, and actually accelerated it when things began turning around.

Today we are now experiencing the price of the bitcoin and ethereum got drop and this is an excellent chance to make a lot of investment because after the price goes down because of the amount of the bitcoin and eth on the previous week shows a reasonable market price now we are experiencing a crisis. It is better to grab the opportunity to make more investment, so in the future it can give a good market value and profit.

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I understand that you are trying to figure out which one will provide more returns for the same level of investment, right? There will be no guarantee that ethereum will test its previous high whereas bitcoin will definitely scale even one million dollar level too. For fiat calculations bitcoin is always the better and safest option and if you look for multiplying your bitcoins then altcoins are good still you need to diversify your investments across multiple thing and not just only with ethereum.

I choose fiat calculations rather than risking with altcoins for the reason of multiplying my bitcoin stash. Investment life is simple and I do not want to complicate it with uncalculated risks.

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Guys , I'm NOT saying sell BTC to buy ETH , that is risky ( given what we expect from BTC over the next 12-24 months , and the unknowns around ETH ).

What I'm saying in the video is that - should you want to buy more BTC now ( as we're still in the accumulation phase ) , it might be a good idea to invest some funds into ETH , and when the ratio climbs , you swop for BTC , this way you get more BTC than if you invested directly into BTC.

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It's just as valid as any other trading opportunity on any other Bitcoin to altcoin pair out there. I also agree that it does seem like the ETHBTC ratio has bottomed out in the past few months and doesn't seem very likely to go down in the near future, but it's still pretty risky, though the rewards could also potentially be good. Bitcoin rising in price also doesn't guarantee that something like ETH will necessarily rise in BTC value; the little bull run we had in 2019 didn't do much to change the downtrend in ETHBTC at all, and actually accelerated it when things began turning around.

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Isn't the idea basically the same as buy low and sell high? Just that more avenues open if you use other coins, but at the same time, could also be used to send you down if eth to usd goes down. It isn't like the eth to btc pair almost always goes up,since most coins follow the pattern of btc. If btc goes down, most likely sooner or later, eth would follow.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

Yes, this is the basic concept of trading anything. Buy low and sell high. Eth is extremely low in price right now. If you buy it at the current price of around .02 and it ends up pumping to .15 or more, you will have made more BTC. Now, I don't really focus too much on the fiat dollar amount when I'm doing trades simply because I just want to stack up as much Bitcoin as possible. However, I'm sure that if ETH is pumped up to over .10 or whatever, Bitcoin will probably also be at a high. So, you will not only have increased your BTC amount, but your dollar value as well.

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Btc is more profitable than ETH.though I'm holding eth because to make balance my portfolio.I know If i look forward to btc pairs then i can see that i am in loss.but is usd pair is profitable.But hoping eth will be boom. For those who are telling that because of ICO eth going down or thinking that it can't go up,you guys wait for 2.0

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:10:04 PM

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Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ?
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For me, I'd rather hold my Bitcoin than using it to buy some altcoin like Ethereum, as what you said ETH/BTC pair is still and no sign for any bull movements.
If you just use your US Dollar to buy Ethereum, then it's much better than using your existing Bitcoin especially if you bought that lower than the price of if now.
I also thinking about this, I'd rather hold my BTC than using to to buy some ALTCOINS.

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Sure it does. This is one of the biggest markets in crypto and definitely the most popular dApp platform and it's been historically low. What more do you expect from a coin? Promises? All you get from ADA or similar EOSes is 'we will' and here you have a working community as well as huge amount of resources to build your projects on. GL anyone recruiting crypto specialists for your business who are real experts in anything besides top5.

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You want people to buy ETH because there are updates that can lift its price when its finally going POS?

The investors I guess would first buy BTC and goes to ETH but I wouldn't expect much to invest to ETH now that its BTC halving is where these investors are watching. Its not the ones that will give profit for them, not until BTC touches the $20k again.

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Quote from: Thavash on January 19, 2020, 03:59:27 PM

Yes, but there may be gains based on the ETH 2.0 launch - watch the video and let me know your thoughts

Here are they:
Your idea is that BTC is high and ETH is low now and we could sell BTC and buy some ETH. I don't agree. If we look at BTC mining power that is at ATH now and the coming halving and compare them to the state in 2017 when Bitcoin was at 20 thousand dollars we can see that it can not only go to 20 but far beyond that.

Selling it now to buy ETH is not what I'd do. It's still a better option than buying some worthless shit like SV or XRP but not as good as holding Bitcoin in anticipation of the halving.

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Yes, but there may be gains based on the ETH 2.0 launch - watch the video and let me know your thoughts

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But why should the exchange rate be any different? ETH was high because of the ICO boom. Now we all know what ICOs were and how many of them lost money for investors. The price of ETH is reflecting that.

Vitalik dumping some of his ETH in 2017 also doesn't make a believer out of me and works like a deterrent for those who know about it.

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Whatever your views on Ethereum, the fact is that the value of ETH to BTC is still very low ( even compared to historical performance ). Does this present a trading opportunity to perhaps buy more Bitcoin for your dollar ? ( By buying ETH and when the ratio goes up trade it for Bitcoin ? ) - There is some insight on this here : https://youtu.be/hY2m0HtAw7g

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