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They will all be fighting for their dominance regardless of what the other countries will think of it. NATO will want to keep its hegemony on top, it may use its military and finance sanctions while China is surprisingly climbing with the support of countries where resources come from such as South Africa and Russia.

The truth is that like the few empires in the past, they won't give up without a fight. It all depends on how much money they have since war is expensive.



Russia spends about $300 million a day on the war with Ukraine. Direct military expenses and the cost of lost equipment for Russia over 18 months of the war (from February 24, 2022 to August 24, 2023) amount to about $167.3 billion, according to Forbes calculations. This estimate does not include ongoing defense spending not related to military action. It also does not include the economic losses of the aggressor country.

The largest expense items are: military support ($51.3 billion), military salaries ($35.1 billion), compensation to the families of the dead ($25.6 billion) and wounded ($21 billion), and the cost of destroyed equipment ($34 billion).

https://forbes.ua/ru/war-in-ukraine/za-pivtora-roku-rosiya-vitratila-na-viynu-z-ukrainoyu-blizko-1673-mlrd-z-nikh-tilki-tekhniki-na-ponad-34-mlrd-rozrakhunki-forbes-16092023-16050

Moreover, this year, Russia's losses in the war are only increasing. In one day, Russia now loses about 1,200-1,300 of its soldiers killed and wounded. No matter how this war ends, Russia will emerge from it very weakened and will hardly be able to claim its former hegemonic role in the international arena. In addition, sanctions against Russia will not be lifted quickly and their negative impact on the economy will continue and have a destructive effect. Therefore, Putin should no longer think about Russia's influence on other countries, but about keeping Russia whole within its existing borders.
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They will all be fighting for their dominance regardless of what the other countries will think of it. NATO will want to keep its hegemony on top, it may use its military and finance sanctions while China is surprisingly climbing with the support of countries where resources come from such as South Africa and Russia.

The truth is that like the few empires in the past, they won't give up without a fight. It all depends on how much money they have since war is expensive.

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While it is true that BRICS nations, such as China and Russia, do try to emerge as major players in the world's economics, the destruction of the dollar by BRICS is an exaggeration. As a matter of fact, there is not even a certain timeline of when the BRICS currency would be launched, and experts contend that making one may take several years because of the complexities involved in unifying such diverse economies. Even when they do come up with some sort of new currency, it will be a limited regional player in the foreseeable future and most definitely not some sort of overnight take over the world  .

Also, while BRICS are on the rise, the U.S. is still in a position of power. That dominance of the dollar comes from its use in global trade, especially oil, and even Saudi Arabia, despite recent moves to diversify, still largely trades in dollars. The vision of the U.S. sitting back and losing control doesn't quite reflect global economic reality. So, yes, BRICS gets stronger, but we are not looking at an overnight shift in global power. Competition's getting tougher; anything but the end of U.S. influence.
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So again that's why the war in ukraine is important for usa that ukraine can destroy the russia and then usa can deal with china in taiwan situation.
Once USA have take power out of russia and China the rest is easy ...but then again UK and EU see that only benefits of USA not them.


The situation on the international arena is not as simplified as you see it. The fact is that the current US administration does not want Ukraine to win its fight against Russia, which has been attacking for three years. Therefore, relatively few weapons are provided, they always arrive with a great delay in time, and most importantly, the US allows Ukraine to strike only its own territory with the weapons it provides, although temporarily occupied by the Russians. Ukraine is not allowed to strike at Russian territory immediately before the formation of strike groups of equipment and military personnel, which is complete nonsense in any war. And such a war with tied hands is unlikely to lead to victory, but in any case, it will greatly exhaust the Ukrainians. What the Ukrainians are doing is generally miracles in the current conditions. But wars are not won on heroism and enthusiasm alone.

At the same time, the most brutal war since World War II, which has been going on for three years, greatly exhausts Russia. Therefore, in any case, after the end of this war, regardless of its outcome, Russia will be weakened in all positions. If Russia survives as a single state at all. And the US fears the collapse of Russia because of the uncertainty of the situation, including with its nuclear weapons.
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NATO has rallied like the rest of the west, the military-industrial complex of NATO countries is back on its feet and working at 200%. In addition, sanctions are destroying Russia, and China, instead of getting an indulgence to take over Taiwan, realized that it will get a very powerful response and heavy sanctions.

In regards to China there is more to it.
The internal debt crisis is harsh, their clamping down on real data is plainly stupid.

Now they,China, is taken the people in who can make a difference:
https://archive.ph/lS46V
Original article is here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-12/china-detains-investment-bankers-takes-passports-in-graft-sweep
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How did you manage to turn everything upside down and 180 degrees!? Smiley)))
Did you come up with that yourself, or did you read it somewhere?
All right, let's take it step by step.

1. BRICS. Earlier, when BRICS was organized, it was really an economic regional union. And the goals were adequate and real. An economic commonwealth of some countries interested in the development of economic mutually beneficial cooperation.
But time has passed.... Now the situation looks like this:
1. the BRICS economy is based on the largest economies of China and India. Russia is just a huge territory and the status of a raw material appendage, selling natural resources cheaply, but technologically a neglected territory with unclear prospects.
2. China's economy is a very painful topic, as well as the economy itself.

3. The union itself has turned into a league of “fighters against the dollar”, “destroyers of the USA”, and i.e. fighting common sense Smiley At the same time, China is trying to slip its dubious yuan as the BRICS currency to everyone. Well, it has to save its economy at the expense of someone else! Smiley

4. “The U.S. benefits from the war in Ukraine” - don't you mean to say that:
- The U.S. started this war.
- Is Putin a complete idiot and a victim of the US conspiracy? Smiley

5. “If the US starts invading small countries...” - and that the US has occupied and annexed territories of other countries ?  Name which countries the US has invaded and annexed or occupied their territories. And also name the country that invaded and occupied many territories of neighboring countries in the 19th and 20th century ? Smiley

Have you considered that it is profitable for Russia and... China?  Why? Because Russia since 2014 successfully enough showed the impotence of world institutions and organizations by attacking Ukraine and occupying part of Ukraine. Feeling impunity, Russia got support, and in 2022 decided to put the “final point” and show that “force and lawlessness, will not be punished”. If they turned a blind eye to the seizure of Ukraine, then they will also turn a blind eye to the seizure of Taiwan ! But-- Since Russia is a “hollow” country, its plans are the same. “Capture of Kiev in 3 days” - is already in its third year, Ukraine is liberating parts of Russian regions from the Kremlin junta, and Russia's military losses have exceeded the losses of all previous wars unleashed by Russia, from 1945 to 2022 ! NATO has rallied like the rest of the west, the military-industrial complex of NATO countries is back on its feet and working at 200%. In addition, sanctions are destroying Russia, and China, instead of getting an indulgence to take over Taiwan, realized that it will get a very powerful response and heavy sanctions.


PS And one question to which I really want to hear the answer - what do you dislike the dollar as a universal means of international settlements? Just please, a logical explanation ! Smiley

I see that there is quite a lot to cover here, and indeed I do appreciate many of the points that you have just made. But what is important in that context is how the evolution of the BRICS from an economically integrated bloc into one of political sensitivity focuses on the dollar-versus-US challenges. The two leading economic powers in the BRICS group are China and India, while Russia plays a key part in it. As a raw material supplier, especially, challenges of the yuan as a BRICS currency really show that China does attempt to use the relationship for its economic benefit.

I think that its hard to think where America stands in benefit, in terms of situations like the conflict in Ukraine or whether the United States did start the war. The geopolitical situation stands on different ground. Even then, strategic advantage is a problem. But to attribute the whole situation to a greater American conspiracy oversimplifies the situation.

Historically, the United States has involved itself in military operations of all kinds. It's important to distinguish those as quite separate from concrete occupations, if one compares that with Russian historical practice. And then it puts the necessary context for understanding the current conflict.

The present scenario in Russia and China gives an insight into the intricacy of world politics. The aggression by Russia in Ukraine manifests the strength of international institutions and how seriously such an action is taken, whereas on the other hand, the cautious stance China has maintained on Taiwan manifests the potentialities of external international factors. This can be understood by looking at the international reaction to Russia.

After all, the dollar's status as an international money is connected with its stability and broad acceptance. But the dollar's strength had come into doubt, and its connection with the global economic imbalances into question. and the implications of US monetary policy This, in turn, led to debate on how to build other rivers running in parallel.
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How did you manage to turn everything upside down and 180 degrees!? Smiley)))
Did you come up with that yourself, or did you read it somewhere?
All right, let's take it step by step.

1. BRICS. Earlier, when BRICS was organized, it was really an economic regional union. And the goals were adequate and real. An economic commonwealth of some countries interested in the development of economic mutually beneficial cooperation.
But time has passed.... Now the situation looks like this:
1. the BRICS economy is based on the largest economies of China and India. Russia is just a huge territory and the status of a raw material appendage, selling natural resources cheaply, but technologically a neglected territory with unclear prospects.
2. China's economy is a very painful topic, as well as the economy itself.

3. The union itself has turned into a league of “fighters against the dollar”, “destroyers of the USA”, and i.e. fighting common sense Smiley At the same time, China is trying to slip its dubious yuan as the BRICS currency to everyone. Well, it has to save its economy at the expense of someone else! Smiley

4. “The U.S. benefits from the war in Ukraine” - don't you mean to say that:
- The U.S. started this war.
- Is Putin a complete idiot and a victim of the US conspiracy? Smiley

5. “If the US starts invading small countries...” - and that the US has occupied and annexed territories of other countries ?  Name which countries the US has invaded and annexed or occupied their territories. And also name the country that invaded and occupied many territories of neighboring countries in the 19th and 20th century ? Smiley

Have you considered that it is profitable for Russia and... China?  Why? Because Russia since 2014 successfully enough showed the impotence of world institutions and organizations by attacking Ukraine and occupying part of Ukraine. Feeling impunity, Russia got support, and in 2022 decided to put the “final point” and show that “force and lawlessness, will not be punished”. If they turned a blind eye to the seizure of Ukraine, then they will also turn a blind eye to the seizure of Taiwan ! But-- Since Russia is a “hollow” country, its plans are the same. “Capture of Kiev in 3 days” - is already in its third year, Ukraine is liberating parts of Russian regions from the Kremlin junta, and Russia's military losses have exceeded the losses of all previous wars unleashed by Russia, from 1945 to 2022 ! NATO has rallied like the rest of the west, the military-industrial complex of NATO countries is back on its feet and working at 200%. In addition, sanctions are destroying Russia, and China, instead of getting an indulgence to take over Taiwan, realized that it will get a very powerful response and heavy sanctions.


PS And one question to which I really want to hear the answer - what do you dislike the dollar as a universal means of international settlements? Just please, a logical explanation ! Smiley
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The most dominant ones rule that's for sure.
It was long time ago when USA was strong with dollar now there is china russia and other brics nations they developing and getting stronger.

Everybody is mainly interested of their own motivations off course to stand for your own tribe that's the human nature first it's you then it's your family and then it's your country.

Now according to this If i would be the brics nations leader or someone from the china or russia who got power.... This is what i would do it:
I would say to Biden " look we are strong too not just usa and dollar only the strongest one If you don't share market with us we don't use dollar and we don't play your rules so you choose you cooperate with us or you lose all the economic power we can even influence canada and Mexico"

So there is now new players on the BLOCK it means less resources and wealth left for average people because usa need to now share the market share but those who make most money ....If they have made before 10x profit and now they make only 5x profit that's still a lot but they are use to with huge profit so what they do is to fire people and starting to find cheaper ways to produce because they have mindset that they need to be super wealthy regardless general economic situation.

If USA corporations don't share with bricks the fairshare then brics can destroy dollar completely even by offering better prices better deals for usa allies like UK or Europe countries, it can go as far as the china and other brics nations can do the peace negoiate with russia and ukraine so the Europe don't deal after the war directly with RUSSIA but through china or other brics nation country.

But USA now not only dominant power that's now obvious.
Off course USA cant use war to win power because everybody have strong military....USA might hope only If issues in other countries going so bad that they would need USA help and USA can get some benefits of that.
In otherwords USA now should focus on weaker countries and nations probably they can give dollar to Crisis mode countries who use dollar that's the biggest business for USA so poor countries where goverments are corrupted and their own currencies crashing and they have commodities and natural resourcues so wich can be then sold by the dollars and even UK and EU can get those products for cheaper from them using dollars.

So USA now should focus on countries where is Crisis and USA can use those country situation to keep dollars in demand USA can now be Active in all the less developed countries and try to take over lands and make them use dollar.
Other than on the big table where world can do without usa the USA got nothing to offer anymore.

That's what happens when you lose control over the world in order to control you need to keep every other countries and Nations weaker financially and by military USA corporations not happy about it that instead of 10x profit now its only 5x.
That's why it's important to keep others poor weak and powerless and without any opportunity to stand up and in debt so then they would never be better then you so usa have failed on this.
The china could offer together with other brics nations better  deals for eu and UK ....and Even to canada so world can even do it without dollar that's the reality or china could tell to USA we let you have power but pay us % of your profits:) and USA will likely do that.
And If all the big countries get away from USD then USA last option will be to go into Crisis mode countries wich are weaker then USA and then talking there about democratic values by taking power there.
But wich countries Will be those countries that's interesting.....maybe some small african countries or middle East or some latin american countries...but then again....people in there would ask questions about that a lot.


So again that's why the war in ukraine is important for usa that ukraine can destroy the russia and then usa can deal with china in taiwan situation.
Once USA have take power out of russia and China the rest is easy ...but then again UK and EU see that only benefits of USA not them.

Most likely the world will say to usa, look usa we know you are good OLD strong lion...but you got nothing to offer to us anymore Smiley so what the USA Will Do!?
USA Will take over all the small countries....but then again world start asking ... questions like why russia can't do that or china with Taiwan but USA can ??  
So economically usa knows that it's impossible to win war but bigger war seems to be  most best option for USA.
What's taken by power can be only kept with power so usa got power with power so only way to keep its by power.
you see it's not pleasent situation either way it's bad off course the dream situation will be for USA if russia can be deafeated 100% and Putin removed that's off course the dream scenario for USA.
Off course the average usa people have their own problems to deal with but corporations are worried about a lot so they would support ukraine all the ways as possible so that russia could be taken over and attacked that's the dream second option will be If wider war Will be starting all over europe then all the benefits will be on usa side and all trade deals and more.

If USA Will start doing that taking over small countries then all the world will ask what you are doing ? We all fight against this and you USA as example Will show bad example so that's not really option.
The option for USA is bigger war but not the way that USA itself is involved but war far away from USA.
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