Topic: Donald Trump convicted 34 counts. (Read 536 times)

You really think they could go even higher after they've just been getting higher and higher for the past 3 years? 

The Deep State Dems are finding it difficult to know where to turn next. If they incarcerate Trump, his numbers will go even higher. If they don't, his legal team is working on getting his gag order lifted. Most important is the fact that legal people are figuring out ways to to fight the conviction that will work.

Yale Law Professor Jed Rubenfeld (whose wife is the “Tiger Mom“) says that Donald Trump’s ‘hush money’ conviction has serious legal issues, giving the former president multiple legal avenues to overturn the verdict - Straight Down the Middle — The Trump Verdict —Ep. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t__ysVjU.

And now back from dumBAss land and into the world of actual law being practiced. Trump is now going to undergo an assessment to determine what sentencing goes with the guilty unanimous veredict. Yet even here he has requested and obtained two quite unusual privileges: he gets to have his attorney during the questioning by the probation officers and he can interview on-line from Mar-a-Shit mansion. I guess the judge is making sure he does argue he was not properly advised.



The type of questions on these interviews are pretty much standard.

The biggest reason why Trump is having trouble is that he didn't stand as a man in court, unrepresented, but present. Once Trump became a client of an attorney, he became a ward of the court - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

This doesn't mean he can't have attorneys as co-counsel. It means that as co-counsel they can't speak for him in court. But they can advise him on the private side, and he can do his own speaking, which he is well able to do. If he entered his paperwork at the beginning of the trial, just like the prosecutor did, the judge wouldn't be able to gag him. Why not? Because it would have been as much his court as the prosecutor's or judge's. Trump would be legally able to impose on the judge or prosecutor any Contempt of Court. Why? Because it would be his (Trump's) court as much as anybody else's.

Also, he should have entered his paperwork as a man, not as a representation of the name on the prosecutor's indictment. The prosecutor's indictment would say something like, "Donald J. Trump." Trump's paperwork would say, "donald j. trump," showing that he was a man, not the name on a piece of paper.

At the beginning of the trial, Trump should have given his paperwork to the judge via the bailiff. The paperwork would start out by saying something like the following, thereby making the court as much his court as the judge... thereby turning the judge back into the referee that a judge's position should be. The beginning of the paperwork would read:

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i, man, donald j. trump, do hereby express that i am present in this court, and that i do not accept representation of any form in this court.

FURTHER, i, man, donald j. trump, do hereby require any man/woman who has been damaged by me, to show the damage, and take the stand so that i can face my accuser with questions about his/her accusations.

FURTHER, i, man, donald j. trump, blah, blah, blah, blah, etc.


SIGNED: donald j. trump

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Doing it this way, Trump would have the option of bringing damages into the open, giving him the chance to pay off any damages that were real.

It would not give any court authority over him. His co-counsel would have looked into this, and would be prepared with methods for de-fanging and de-clawing anything the judge might attempt to contradict Trump with.

A bigger issue is his attorneys are listening to him.

But the biggest reason Trump is having trouble is that he got sloppy and didn't cover up all of his crimes very well - which isn't surprising considering he hires criminals to commit crime for him but only know how to do it the old fashioned way.  Like Michael Cohen visiting a bank in person to set up accounts so Trump can do some fraud.  Hire a smarter criminal that knows how things work today and the the whole porn star problem goes away with one transaction on a block chain.

The only reason why Trump is having trouble is, he is listening to his attorneys. When you make a contract with an attorney, you become a ward of the court system. You have thereby let them make your decisions for you.

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM is the second most popular legal encyclopedia in America. Read what it says about attorney client relationships - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf. If Trump decides to get rid of his attorneys and go the lawful route, he will have thousands of additional options besides the legal ones.

You are totally missing US law. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=corpus+juris+secundum%2C+client+of+an+attorney&ia=web

I am sorry to hear that you are too busy to laugh. I am sure that you can still make most out of this beautiful summer by going outside and "though the grass". But contrary to popular opinion; if you can type something, it doesn't make it true. In fact in your case,it's most likely lying and ignoring all the evidence.

I would love the idea of eating popcorn and watch you in court by the way, to defend your weird ideas how laws don't apply to you or Trump, but in reality i have better things to do. Good luck with your upcoming month when Trump gets sentenced.

Trump obeyed the laws of his country. You are so far off that it would be laughable if somebody had time to laugh. Trump has a thousand options open to him.


Mistrial? Trump 'Hush Money' Judge Suggests Juror May Have Had Predetermined Guilty Verdict

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mistrial-trump-hush-money-judge-suggests-juror-may-have-had-predetermined-guilty-verdict
The judge in the Trump 'hush money' case, Juan Merchan,  just issued a very strange note to both parties indicating that a comment made on the court's Facebook page suggests that one of the jurors may have arrived at a 'guilty' verdict before the end of the trial, and told a family member.

"My cousin is a juror and says Trump is getting convicted. Thank you folks for all your hard work!!!" reads the Facebook post highlighted by Merchan.
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Never ever, right? I don't know if you know what "criminal indictment", or "politically motivated" means, or is it that maybe you just haven't paid attention to his past.

And using any means, like expecting to him obey the law of the country he was a president of? Maybe you should revisit the reasons he is going to court again and study the overwhelming evidence against him. If that isn't enough, ask of anyone that's worked for him what's he been up to, because that's been done already by officials, and that's the reason he is going trough this. This wouldn't be such a big deal in news if he hasn't been a president of united states and part of the "Elite", that he is raving about. And ironically he seems to have a fetish for suing people, so maybe he likes this.

Regardless of the motivation, if he did it he did it.

If you want to have a presidential candidate with better chances of not being convicted, try to choose someone that has a cleaner record because Trump thinks himself above the law and has given plenty of evidence of it. I just do not understand we have to put up with someone who has probably broken the law over and over when there are many possible candidates with a proper service record. It is insulting for the US citizens.

Seems we could have imminent drama. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna156128

The New York judge overseeing Donald Trump's hush money trial has asked attorneys in the case about a social media post purporting to preview the former president's guilty verdict.

“Today, the Court became aware of a comment that was posted on the Unified Court System’s public Facebook page and which I now bring to your attention,” Judge Juan Merchan wrote in a letter dated Friday.

“My cousin is a juror and said Trump is getting convicted,” the post stated, according to Merchan's letter. “Thank you folks for all your hard work!!!!”

Merchan said that the comment, which was attributed to a user identified as Michael Anderson, was "now labeled as one week old," and was posted in response to a routine notice from the court posted on May 29 about oral arguments unrelated to proceedings in Trump’s case.

When a defendant who has been convicted by a jury but has not yet been sentenced learns of alleged jury misconduct, he can move to set aside the verdict under New York criminal procedure law. If a defendant can prove that jury misconduct “may have affected a substantial right of the defendant,” the remedy is a new trial.

NBC News has not verified the claims made in the comment or the identity of the user who published the post, which has since been deleted. NBC News also hasn't independently confirmed the comment’s existence.

A Trump campaign official said "we're investigating" when asked about Merchan's letter.

Attorneys for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Friday afternoon, nor did a spokesperson for the Manhattan district attorney's office.

Trump was convicted last month on 34 counts of falsifying business records tied to reimbursing Cohen for hush money paid to Daniels in the final days of the 2016 campaign. Trump had pleaded not guilty in the case and denied Daniels’ claims that she had a sexual encounter with him in 2006. Trump’s sentencing in the case is scheduled for July 11.

lol - the man is a real estate developer in NYC for more than 70 years without a single criminal indictment.  He kicks Hillary’s ass in the presidential election and suddenly he has over 90.  This isn’t politically motivated at all.

The reality is he turned on the corrupt political establishment and they’re out to destroy him for it using any means necessary.

Fun fact.

While Trump was president the DOJ prosecuted someone for their involvement in illegal campaign contributions in the form of hush money payments to a porn star right before an election.

That someone was Trumps lawyer.  And he served prison time for it.

Trump was referred to as "unindicted co-conspirator #1" in the the indictment.

Maybe the person to blame for all of this is....Trump?  You know, the guy who's been found guilty and keeps ranting about how he did nothing wrong even though he obviously broke the law to help himself win the 2020 election and then committed fraud every month for the next year (breaking more laws) to cover it up.

Imagine the damage to our judicial system if they just let someone get away with something like that who has shown no remorse and then gone on to commit more crimes to overturn the results of the next election, and then even more crimes after he left office.

Could you imagine the outrage if Hillary or Biden did that?

TLDR version (that makes sense) please?

While also maintaining the civility as the Op has said, I don't think the regime after Trumps has been capable to withstand the economical and civil pressures on the circumstances to create new values that's to make a better difference.
All the convictions on Trump might end up being an illusion but propagandas structuring to impose fear on Trump's delegates so that their efforts of voting for him doesn't be a waste after his conviction judgement.
But politically we still can't underrate what's seems impossible because his conviction could be arraign after his may emerge the winner and then get sentenced or judged according to the so political law demands.

My concern is the damage these bogus politically motivated lawsuits have inflicted upon our judicial system.  The Republic may not recover from this level of corruption.   

Oh yes, look at the wild swings in the polls:


Do you think he's considering changing strategies in his other criminal trials?  If he were to stop delaying today, he'd probably be able to be found guilty by at least 2 more juries before the election, possibly 3!

Trump just keeps on getting stronger and stronger and stronger. The more they try to destroy him, the stronger he gets. The whole world is backing Trump. Write him in if your State doesn't have him on the ballot.

Will the US break apart? Lots of people in America want to secede - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=percent+of+people+in+favor+of+secession&iax=images&ia=images. But they might wait for a while if Trump gets back in.


The World Rallies To President Trump's Defense In Aftermath Of Kangaroo Court Verdict

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/world-rallies-president-trumps-defense-aftermath-kangaroo-court/
While Biden was expecting the American people to at long last turn on President Trump, in fact the opposite occurred: they rallied to his side, at a rate previously unseen in modern presidential history.  President Trump's fundraising haul since last week's conviction has been historic: he has hauled in hundreds of millions of dollars of cash.

In May, President Trump's campaign posted its highest figure ever – $141 million – far outpacing Joe Biden, who has been struggling mightily to prevent the bloodletting of voters across every demographic group to President Trump's corner.

Indeed, on the same day the 45th President held his press conference at Trump Tower to denounce the Biden-Bragg show verdict as but the latest attempt in the Left's never-ending saga to derail MAGA and rig another presidential election, new polling came out showing the 45th President with a 6-point nationwide advantage over Biden, and leading in all six key battleground states this cycle: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Nevada.

While Biden's problems are bad on the domestic front, they get arguably worse overseas.  The international order has descended into chaos under Biden's stewardship.

Western countries have been ravaged by strife and warfare in Eastern Europe and the Middle East to levels not seen since World War II.  Meanwhile, autocratic regimes like China, Iran, and Russia have been empowered, relative to the United States and Europe, which have been brought to near financial and cultural ruin by the suicidal policies of the Biden government.
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Right, in the sense that it was an unrecorded/declared illegal "donation".

If Trump doesn't argue that the whole thing is made up, then the porn star doesn't have to describe what it was like to be looking at the ceiling with Trump on top of her with his small mushroom shaped condomless penis inside of her.  None of those details were relevant until opening statements when Trumps team claimed she was lying.  Once that claim is made, the prosecutors get to have her explain what happened and a let the jury decide if she's credible or not.




He should've used campaign funds.  Then it would've been fine.  Problem is he used his personal funds to help his campaign because he didn't want to follow campaign finance laws. Then he committed fraud to hide it, because he knew what he did was illegal, by funneling the money through Michael Cohen and a Fake Company.  

How do you know the things that you seem to know? One reason. The court acted against the right to privacy as expressed by the 4th Amendment courts adjudication. This means that the whole case should have been dropped immediately when Daniels was introduced into it, or it should have been changed to not hear any of the Daniel's arguments at all. Privacy.

Hush money? Had to do with Daniels. Privacy.

This whole case needs to be declared a mistrial because of Privacy issues between Trump and Daniels. All issues that were brought because of Daniels must be brought without having any connection to Daniels at all. If Trump is guilty of crimes, they must be found without any Daniels connection interference. 4th Amendment privacy overrules lesser law.





Former President Donald Trump shares his agenda during an exclusive sit-down interview with "Fox & Friends."


Trump: 'My revenge will be success' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12BrDyu1n0.

This was an incredibly flawed case that never should have been tried.  It will be overturned on appeal.

The only reason it was pursued was to try and eliminate a political rival.  That will need to be addressed.   

No, he was using campaign funds, which require precise tracking and accounting - Trump perfectly knows this, but even if he does not, the law applies equally (not knowing a law is not a defence - I mean not any country in the world). In the same way, Trump is responsible for the correct use of the funds like the CEO of any company is responsible for controlling the last dime of their company.

It is not a question of a jury being wrong, it is a question of all the evidence being in written records for absolutely anyone to see.

Your privacy is eroded? Are you running a campaign while whoring around, paying for silence and falsifying records?

He was just found guilty of 34 felonies.   There's literally mountains of evidence in his other two cases, but he's waived his right to a speedy trial and is doing everything he can to delay any trial until after the election because A) More convictions will hurt his chances of being elected and B) He will have authority over the Dept of Justice if he is elected - so he can just order his AG to throw the cases out/potentially pardon himself.

I'd be interested and surprised if you know of any evidence at all suggesting the European Union has any influence over any of the federal or State criminal prosecutions in the US.


Hey look at that, two future felons.

Actually, Epstein was probably already a felon at that point.

European Union isn't some kind of monolith that has one sided opinions. I would argue that most of them don't want him, but that's not "European Union" not wanting it.
And what are you talking about accusations? He was already convicted, because of EVIDENCE! By a jury that both sides agreed of being fair.

Why justice was delayed in the first place is a good question. I am thinking they wanted to make sure that there wouldn't be loopholes, and all the evidence would be gathered, and everyone else involved intervieved and sentenced. And then there's the issue that sentencing ex president isn't something anyone takes lightly.

Still, justice was delayed a lot. And there are more court cases to come, but for now, we wait for the sentence. Let's hope it will be delicious.

It seems to me that the European Union does not want Trump to become president. If you look at it, these court cases have been going on for a very long time, and we do not see any results. Perhaps there is not enough evidence, or perhaps the accusations are false.

That's not what TS said. Besides, juries can be bought or tricked. They are not always right.

Trump has always expressed that his payments were not for anything illegal to his knowledge; he simply trusted that the funds were being used for something legal.

However, the real damage is that our privacy is being eroded through this verdict.

You must be joking! Trump falsified the record to hide the fact he was paying a Porn Star(ish) 34 times with his campaign funds - a fraud - those are the felonies. It is so basic that I can only thing you are trying to confuse people here. Even the witnesses are largely irrelevant because all the falsified recording are in written for anyone to see, as simple as money coming from here goes to there.

People all over the place are accepting funds to help them pay their election expenses. There are laws to regulate fairness in how and when they get those funds, and from whom they get them, right? What presidential election was the porn star running in that she received funds illegally from Trump in her campaign?

And it is unrelated to the witnesses too. The evidence that the jury had to take into account was simply the records of signed checks and transactions from Trump to Cohen and from him to the Adult Films Professional known as "Stormy". Guys, there is a whole thread full of transcripts and views here, so I am not sure we should re-discuss the same topic over and over in different places.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466238.360

Including the best moments 

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64050931

it wasn't.

it was about him committing fraud to help him win the election.

Cheating on your wife isn't a crime.

Paying a porn star to stay quiet isn't a crime.

Creating a fake company to funnel money to a porn star 2 weeks before a presidential election you're a candidate in because you don't want to follow campaign finance laws is a crime.

I admit to being really surprised by the outcome. I was expecting at least one juror to keep the prosecution from winning.

Deleted you as Cohen did get convicted and spend time in a cell. Please note I quote your post and highlighted your mistake.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-11-22/michael-cohen-completes-prison-term-after-trump-related-crimes

He spent over 13  months in prison.

Note your other post was fine and I left it alone.

Can someone list the 34 counts?

I don't think this hush money trial is going to change people's perception of Trump for the worst.

It's just going to make him look even better to anyone from the center to the populist right. It's crazy that this trial was rushed to be completed on election year even though there had been ongoing proceedings for so many years. The other trials are going to be about more important things trump broke rules about, but I guess democrats weren't able to judge shop as easily for these so they aren't using them so much.

It goes to shoe that justice isn't independent even in the U.S. that supposedly has one of the best judicial systems. It certainly is a political trial and at this point Biden has done an entire Genocide. A war criminal running against someone found guilty for putting his dick in a woman and trying to hide it. The one worst than the other.

Yes, there's no law that stops a convicted felon from becoming the president, which is a bit funny if you ask me.
IMO they tried to convict him for the riots but eventually succeeded elsewhere. It's all a setup that's supposed to destroy his image before the election.
I don't believe that the verdicts right before the end of presidential campaign is a coincidence. They want the public to reconsider and succumb to peer pressure.
"-Don't tell me you're going to vote for that convict, the president should serve as an example."
 

I read through everyone comment, I saw some in support and others against the ruling.
What I can say is, AMERICA HAS FALLEN,  where pedophiles,gays, drug addicts, Molesters, sex traffickers, satanists rule with a fallen system against all Real Men.
Nice move, I await the Town Hall Trump will have with Elon Musk. All good, he is now a criminal,lol says those who do worst just to cover up there evil.

The world is aware now, let see how it goes......

Lol , keep on coping. You mean Cohen, one of those best people dump was talking about? Who served his sentence, because he did what dump asked him to do? Because he cooperated unlike dump? Because he taped him? You are really following different feeds.

And of course some people will support the Trump, as some people support only ideas, that are strongly against scientific method or consensus, like you for example.

I've been wondering why reality is such a hard pill to swallow for you, that every unlikely alternative is better? Would reality make you seem too insignificant or something? Would it help of you to think of it as setting you free and have fulfilling life instead? You just have to accept it, you know, like you accepted what ever religion you have? This way you would have actual overwhelming evidence to support your views.

Here's a simple image to remind you:


I am not trying to hijack this thread to speak about reality, but i think i need to remind you the concept of it, because what's happening now is part of it, and you need to accept that.

I automatically misread that luck as a cuck as in: "Best of cuck: President Trump".
Must be because i am used to it coming from "i dO mY OwN rEseArCH, without any actual science involved" -type of crowd, that are using it as a slur a lot.

Yeah. However, Trump can run for president even from prison, if I'm not mistaken. But how will the Democrats create a criminal image for him before the election? This is their chance.

That is something I agree on and to this day I don't know understand about the American politics. Democracy ideally is a system which allows the common people to be free to choose the best of the best of their country to represent them within the government and actually solve problem who affect the majority or people. But it would seem the American polítics has been kidnapped by either corporations and donors, the deviate the process and pass laws which only help those  donors and corporatiors to go increase their percentages of profits through the years.

Ironically, The United States brags about being the center of democracy of the world and yet, I consider there are better democratic countries than in the USA, where donations from private companies do not interfere with the destiny of the nation.

If this trial was truly about a sexual affair, and truly about money paid to keep it quiet, THIS CONVICTION JUST SCREWED US ALL ROYALLY. Hasn't anybody heard of sexual consent... the right to consent privately in the bedroom?

The point isn't what Trump and Daniels did, or if they did anything at all. The point is about sexual consent.

Hush money has a main word in it. The word is "hush." It means privacy.

Right now all people - Dems, Reps, and every other adult - should be figuring out ways to change this guilty verdict to innocent. Why? To keep privacy private.

Was there somebody else in the bedroom? So far, only Daniels claimed she was in the bedroom. You can't convict on just one witness. There have to be at least two, and evidence, as well.

Do you want the same thing happening to you? This case sets precedent for all future cases to allow bedroom privacy to be broken. Is that what you want?

Love Trump or hate him. It's not about Trump. It's about breaking into our privacy. This case needs to be overturned by everybody to protect us all.

As far as I can see it's because of the issue of having an extramarital affair with a porn actress and conspiring to buy the silence of a porn actor days before the 2016 election and covering his tracks in business records,

Was it not for something like this that Clinton resigned? In any case, instead of admitting it, he denies it and says he will appeal.

I don't envy you Americans, having to choose between an old coot who you don't know if he's going to die or sleep while he tries to talk and can't articulate his words properly or this mafia style guy.

I don't really like the choices where I live either, but they don't seem so like cartoonish to me.

Sentencing is in July 11. So this case will be resolved even before s before republicans picking Trump as 2024 presidental nominee. But dumb is facing three other criminal cases as well that could take time to get resolved. If this would be any other person then ex president, he would be in holding cell already and after that rest of his life in prison. But for ex president, i would guess it's going to be just home detention with an ankle bracelet. But could be rest of his life. I am also interested to see if this sentencing includes any financial penalties.

When a ruling system at the time wants you down they'll have to use every instrumentality of the state to find any means justifiable to do so. It's quite out of the normal that Trump didn't play his cards well this time.  The aim before now has been to find ways to publicly make him ineligible to contest the upcoming USA Presidential election as he was becoming a strong opponent to wrestle with through the ballot. Someone said something about pacesetter... Hello!  Pacesetter or no pacesetter, we know it is what it is.

This is just the beginning of the legal battle. His legal team can appeal the the judgement in New York appellate court and even the state’s highest court. These courts can overturn the Manhattan criminal court judgement and set him free of these charges. The conviction has just made Donald Trump more popular among his die-hard supporters who see these court cases as a political witch hunt. Many Republicans believe that Trump is been persecuted because Biden wants to limit his chances of winning elections.

The US legal system will always be a pacesetter for other countries because they were not intimidated by the political influence of the former president. There are shreds of evidence that some former presidents of my country did even worse things than Donald Trump, but none of them has been convicted. Past presidents are above the law in my country, but kudos to the US judiciary.   

Feeling like a comedy, can someone explain to me that a civilized part of the world where things are considered correct to expose lies to impose or distort the truth should anyone. No matter the situation, I always know that neither Trump or Biden are perfect, so when mistakes appear, it's easy to give up on the things they brought.

With the current situation going against Trump, I assume that the following situations will be the end for those who oppose Trump if he is elected. But if Trump is not elected, we will also see a lot of comedy exposed. In the last election season, someone remembers things related to Biden, in general press news or news sources. Uncontrolled channels before the election season all have the ability to manipulate public opinion, which sometimes makes me feel that it creates more attraction than "Furiosa"

Respectfully as someone from a third world country, the USA does not look like a third world country. However it’s valid and valuable that we recognize that it is indeed in crisis and the country needs a good fixing.

I think Trump was able to take advantage of what Biden has not done in his time and that is supporting crypto. Because of this a whole new demographic has emerged and is in solidarity now with Trump. Let’s see if with the addition of our community, trump will prevail.

To be frank, even though the case against him.was solid enough, I never thought the judicial system of the United States would dare to put the tag of felon onna former president, not only a former president, who the one who is the front runner in the Republican party and had a very good chance to become the next president of the USA.
By the way, even though Donald Trump was found to be guilty of those serious charges, I believe he won't see any prison time, he will likely just be fined and stay with the tag of being a felon for the rest of his political and natural life, thats it.
when comes to the perception the public has on Trump, this judgment won't change the opinion about the from the average Republican voter, because they had already mind of programmed to see something like this happening to Trump , do they are ready to co tongue to support him further.

Some will even claim Trump is the American equivalent of Nelson Mandela, so he is destined to come back to the white house eventually. Only time will tell, but this is already unprecedented, no doubt about it.

Any settling uprising won't be mini,  US seems to be in trouble now. There always were issues about the political selection of the judiciary and when the population is more divided than ever, the country could move to anarchy or a more authoritarian rule. The chances of a fair election are getting low.

It has been reported that the case involving Donald Trump won't be resolved until after Election Day. Despite this, I still see hope among people who want to support him in the upcoming election, and I want to understand why. The country hasn't improved since he left, and it continues to be run by capitalists. Everything happening makes the country look like the third world country

I think Trump's biggest mistake was not calling the prosecutors pedophiles, taking the focus off him onto his attackers. 

We are in an age right now where biased Supreme Court justices are refusing to recuse themselves from relevant cases.   I will not be surprised if sleepy don avoids jail time somehow.    I would really love to see a mini uprising to finally settle all the tensions between the two parties.  Just like a schoolyard fight.

Trump is now a convicted mass felon.

Should be interesting to see how this now unfolds.

Please realize this thread is for civility and discussion.