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Topic: Don't Convince People to Get Bitcoins, Convince People to Get a Bitcoin Wallet (Read 2483 times)

sr. member
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On the one hand, it is a good idea to introduce new and complex things on a small, gradual scale. Install wallet, then basic transactions, then network fundamentals and so on.

On the other hand, you increase ignorance, insecurity and misuse. Most people know very little about technology and their computers, and urging such use opens them to exploit and dependence. When they lose their bitcoins to hacks or user error, then negative word-of-mouth is louder.

Perhaps it boils down to my personal experience and pet peeves. I hate telling people what to download and how to use things they don't understand. They then either depend on me to guide them through their problems or fall prey to false advertising and worthless or harmful programs.

So yeah, I agree it would lead to faster adoption; having taken one step forward coupled with curiosity helps any journey seem attainable. But 'adoption' in that sense in 'quantity', and one of bitcoin's strength is in the quality of freedom it may provide. Too early, and people will see it as paypal and credit cards, and their know-how will rely on specific-name services and clicks and taps on a GUI.


There is a concept in commerce called marketing.  It is more aggressive than putting things on a shelf and waiting for someone to walk in and buy them.  It involves creating a desire to purchase something even when the person did not originally have such an intention.  It typically uses emotions in place of (or in addition to) logic.  (I know...  most of us here are more accustomed to using logic.  We are the minority.) 

The techniques use manipulation of emotions such as envy, fear, inadequacy, wanting to be liked, etc.

It has been used successfully to sell large quantities of things at relatively high prices, for which there is very little "need".  Things such as automobiles, whiskey, perfumes, funerals, diamonds, desert (or swamp) real estate, vacuum cleaners, sneakers, etc.

It is not about convincing them.


Though this has negative aspects. As soon as you start linking things (especially their first experiences and impressions) to people's emotions and desires, then you are subjected to the whims of such forces. Such forces may turn against you and cause irreparable harm to long-term adoption, or others can sweep in and divert such energy towards their own project and ends.

Finally, bitcoin is pretty great but has a long time to go in both development and adoption. Personally, I don't seem much harm in having patience towards adoption, nor do I see that much benefit in urging or necessitating mass use.

Very well said. I do however like this idea. When I am talking to people about bitcoin, I warn them it is very easy to get involved, but there are security issues, hacking. Let them know the user is the weakest link.

newbie
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What does a Chotchkie's full of lesbians have to do with bitcoin? And why did you post a picture of your house below it?

LMAO!!

Just needed to echo that.....carry on Cheesy
full member
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There are more women in the OP than the total sum of women ever cared for bitcoin since day 1.  Cry

That's not true.  You just haven't met them.

I love Bitcoins.  I sell Bitcoin related products.  My dd likes Bitcoins (okay, she's 10, so maybe you don't want to count her).  There's two in one house.  I'm sure that there's quite a few that you don't know about.  I was in an engineering sorority; I'm sure that some of my sorority sisters like Bitcoin (especially the ones in college right now).
newbie
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On the one hand, it is a good idea to introduce new and complex things on a small, gradual scale. Install wallet, then basic transactions, then network fundamentals and so on.

On the other hand, you increase ignorance, insecurity and misuse. Most people know very little about technology and their computers, and urging such use opens them to exploit and dependence. When they lose their bitcoins to hacks or user error, then negative word-of-mouth is louder.

Perhaps it boils down to my personal experience and pet peeves. I hate telling people what to download and how to use things they don't understand. They then either depend on me to guide them through their problems or fall prey to false advertising and worthless or harmful programs.

So yeah, I agree it would lead to faster adoption; having taken one step forward coupled with curiosity helps any journey seem attainable. But 'adoption' in that sense in 'quantity', and one of bitcoin's strength is in the quality of freedom it may provide. Too early, and people will see it as paypal and credit cards, and their know-how will rely on specific-name services and clicks and taps on a GUI.


There is a concept in commerce called marketing.  It is more aggressive than putting things on a shelf and waiting for someone to walk in and buy them.  It involves creating a desire to purchase something even when the person did not originally have such an intention.  It typically uses emotions in place of (or in addition to) logic.  (I know...  most of us here are more accustomed to using logic.  We are the minority.) 

The techniques use manipulation of emotions such as envy, fear, inadequacy, wanting to be liked, etc.

It has been used successfully to sell large quantities of things at relatively high prices, for which there is very little "need".  Things such as automobiles, whiskey, perfumes, funerals, diamonds, desert (or swamp) real estate, vacuum cleaners, sneakers, etc.

It is not about convincing them.


Though this has negative aspects. As soon as you start linking things (especially their first experiences and impressions) to people's emotions and desires, then you are subjected to the whims of such forces. Such forces may turn against you and cause irreparable harm to long-term adoption, or others can sweep in and divert such energy towards their own project and ends.

Finally, bitcoin is pretty great but has a long time to go in both development and adoption. Personally, I don't seem much harm in having patience towards adoption, nor do I see that much benefit in urging or necessitating mass use.
sr. member
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There are more women in the OP than the total sum of women ever cared for bitcoin since day 1.  Cry

full member
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Provider of Bitcoin products and services
Getting people just to downlowd a wallet onto their phone before they even think about buying/accepting Bitcoin is a good idea.

I do it all the time when I'm out and about and I have managed to get 4 people to do it so far.

In my opinion, getting people used to the (at first, complicated) procedures asociated with Bitcoin transactions is going to be the biggest barrier that Bitcoin faces in the coming years.

Overcoming this unfamiliarity needs to be done bit by bit (pun intended) and is the key to Bitcoin's success.
legendary
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I don't get it, do you forsee a time in the near future in which people will not be able to download a Bitcoin wallet?  Are the Bitcoin police gonna come and blow bitcoin dust in the eyes of those without a wallet?


Nah, the point is this: It's hard to convince someone to spend their hard-earned fiat on "bitcoins." But it's slightly easier to convince someone to download a wallet where they can receive money on their computer for free.

Then, you take advantage of that. Go to the bar with that person? See if they're willing to take bitcoin for your part of the tab (as was suggested.) Buy a bag of weed from someone? If it's your friend and they're even technically savvy enough to turn on an XBox, they'd be more easily convinced to accept payment in BTC than to actually buy BTC upfront. Your cell phone bill is in someone else's name (family plan?) that lives far away? Offer to pay in bitcoins. Etc etc. You can think of a bunch of examples to apply to your various lives.

Installing a wallet simply gives someone the option to receive bitcoins, and it is easier to convince someone to do that than to actually go out and buy them. Thus by adopting this strategy, we increase adoption faster.

Yes.  The wallet then becomes a salesman.  It reminds them.  It creates a need to be filled.

You can't win if you don't play.

Then come the amazing things that can happen after you get a Bitcoin wallet, publish your Bitcoin address, and become part of the next major internet revolution.


legendary
Activity: 905
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I don't get it, do you forsee a time in the near future in which people will not be able to download a Bitcoin wallet?  Are the Bitcoin police gonna come and blow bitcoin dust in the eyes of those without a wallet?

Possibly, but probably not.

There is a concept in commerce called marketing.  It is more aggressive than putting things on a shelf and waiting for someone to walk in and buy them.  It involves creating a desire to purchase something even when the person did not originally have such an intention.  It typically uses emotions in place of (or in addition to) logic.  (I know...  most of us here are more accustomed to using logic.  We are the minority.)  

The techniques use manipulation of emotions such as envy, fear, inadequacy, wanting to be liked, etc.

It has been used successfully to sell large quantities of things at relatively high prices, for which there is very little "need".  Things such as automobiles, whiskey, perfumes, funerals, diamonds, desert (or swamp) real estate, vacuum cleaners, sneakers, etc.

It is not about convincing them.


sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I don't get it, do you forsee a time in the near future in which people will not be able to download a Bitcoin wallet?  Are the Bitcoin police gonna come and blow bitcoin dust in the eyes of those without a wallet?


Nah, the point is this: It's hard to convince someone to spend their hard-earned fiat on "bitcoins." But it's slightly easier to convince someone to download a wallet where they can receive money on their computer for free.

Then, you take advantage of that. Go to the bar with that person? See if they're willing to take bitcoin for your part of the tab (as was suggested.) Buy a bag of weed from someone? If it's your friend and they're even technically savvy enough to turn on an XBox, they'd be more easily convinced to accept payment in BTC than to actually buy BTC upfront. Your cell phone bill is in someone else's name (family plan?) that lives far away? Offer to pay in bitcoins. Etc etc. You can think of a bunch of examples to apply to your various lives.

Installing a wallet simply gives someone the option to receive bitcoins, and it is easier to convince someone to do that than to actually go out and buy them. Thus by adopting this strategy, we increase adoption faster.
full member
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Provider of Bitcoin products and services
Well those silicon valley chicks can't be that smart.

Not one of them has bought one of my T-shirts.

http://thevillageidiotme.ipage.com/shop.html


(They are the must have item for anyone in the know)

full member
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I don't get it, do you forsee a time in the near future in which people will not be able to download a Bitcoin wallet?  Are the Bitcoin police gonna come and blow bitcoin dust in the eyes of those without a wallet?
hero member
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What a beautiful house....

You guys need "like"-Buttons here. I laughed my ass off! I love such dry comments!!!
legendary
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What does a Chotchkie's full of lesbians have to do with bitcoin? And why did you post a picture of your house below it?

Instead of picking a photo with models, I thought we should try some real people.  Chicks are more appealing than men, especially if they are successful.  They had to be real.

Women in Silicon Valley
Laura Arrillaga-Andreessen (founder, Silicon Valley Social Venture Fund), Susan Wojcicki (senior vice president, Google), Kara Swisher (co–executive editor, D: All Things Digital), Clara Shih (co-founder and C.E.O., Hearsay Social), Alison Pincus (co-founder, One Kings Lane), and Juliet de Baubigny (partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers) with the photo taken at http://www.buckswoodside.com/history/index.html

I hope they will seat you.

Detroit is a good example of the old, failed economy.  I don't think I have ever been there.
I decided not to use a photo from Detroit with people in it.  I would then need to do some profile equalization, to avoid sending the wrong message.  There is room for anyone in the new economy.

It is time to sell the sizzle, and not the steak.  Too many Geeks, and not enough Indians.
full member
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What does a Chotchkie's full of lesbians have to do with bitcoin? And why did you post a picture of your house below it?
full member
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What a beautiful house....
legendary
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Do Yourself a Big Favor, Get a Bitcoin Wallet Now

The second great internet revolution is steadily moving toward critical mass.  It uses digital currency (Bitcoins) that can be sent or received across the internet to/from your computer or phone.  If you don't have a Bitcoin Wallet, you will be left behind.  You will be stuck in the old, antiquated, failing economy.

http://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Install a Bitcoin Wallet on your computer and/or phone, and learn how to use it.

There are only two destinations.  You are either moving closer to Silicon Valley or closer to Detroit.  The population sorting is already happening.

Silicon Valley



Detroit


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