Topic: Don't keep your Bitcoin on an exchange - Help squeeze the shorts (Read 862 times)
Squeeze my shorts.
I actually meant long like long on bitfinex, so if price goes up i earn extra btc, instead of just having the same amount of btc that increases in value.
Ah, you mean long on margin. Obviously what I'm discussing doesn't apply for exchange-enabled margin trading. The equivalent margin trade without keeping your Bitcoins on an exchange would be to get a loan for the additional amount of Bitcoins wanted beyond your funds, and use that to buy Bitcoin. That's what a long margin trade really is.
That's exactly how it works on BFX. And in order to go long on margin, there needs to be someone wiling to sell.
On BFX, the only coins available to borrow for short selling are the ones put up in loans by other users. It's not like banks that loan out depositors funds. If you don't explicitly offer them as a loan, then they aren't used as such. This however, assumes that there is no inside trading going on there.
I actually meant long like long on bitfinex, so if price goes up i earn extra btc, instead of just having the same amount of btc that increases in value.
Ah, you mean long on margin. Obviously what I'm discussing doesn't apply for exchange-enabled margin trading. The equivalent margin trade without keeping your Bitcoins on an exchange would be to get a loan for the additional amount of Bitcoins wanted beyond your funds, and use that to buy Bitcoin. That's what a long margin trade really is.
I actually meant long like long on bitfinex, so if price goes up i earn extra btc, instead of just having the same amount of btc that increases in value.
so what do you do if price goes to shit?
If you take all the measures and you choose your exchange wisely chances to be robbed are slim.
if we are in a bull market I need to go long to increase my btc holdings. if we are in a bear market I need to go to fiat and possibly short bitcoins.
I'm not a hodler so always keeping my BTC in cold storage is not a good idea for me.
If you take all the measures and you choose your exchange wisely chances to be robbed are slim.
if we are in a bull market I need to go long to increase my btc holdings. if we are in a bear market I need to go to fiat and possibly short bitcoins.
I'm not a hodler so always keeping my BTC in cold storage is not a good idea for me.
If you are long, you can keep your Bitcoins in a safe wallet, off the exchange.
Unless they are needed for an active order, I recommend keeping them in a safe wallet. Cold storage or Bitgo would be best.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
They will also be bought back repeatedly, driving the price up. Shorting just moves the market more rapidly in the direction it's heading anyways, and adds volatility. When prices are rising because demand outweighs supply, the shorters get busted, and it doesn't matter how many coins are on the exchange because no one wants to borrow them.
I don't think I made this clear enough. On a properly run exchange, the Bitcoin you leave on the exchange is required to allow others to short. The short-sellers borrow your Bitcoins and sell them, either adding a sell order to the book or removing a buy order from it. This moves the market down. With enough Bitcoins, someone with lots of dollars can come in and short sell until they hit every single buy order on the book, then set up very low hidden sell orders that keep the price low forever. On an improperly run exchange, they don't bother borrowing Bitcoins to allow folks to short sell. They allow as much shorting as anyone wants, limited only by the margin dollars present in the shorters' accounts.
Can you think of any organization with access to infinite dollars that would have a vested interest in seeing the value of Bitcoin tank, and never recover?
The only way to keep exchanges in check is to keep the number of Bitcoins in exchange accounts very low. This will limit short sales on properly run exchanges, and expose improperly run exchanges to bankruptcy when they run out of Bitcoin for withdrawals.
so what do you do if price goes to shit?
If you take all the measures and you choose your exchange wisely chances to be robbed are slim.
if we are in a bull market I need to go long to increase my btc holdings. if we are in a bear market I need to go to fiat and possibly short bitcoins.
I'm not a hodler so always keeping my BTC in cold storage is not a good idea for me.
If you take all the measures and you choose your exchange wisely chances to be robbed are slim.
if we are in a bull market I need to go long to increase my btc holdings. if we are in a bear market I need to go to fiat and possibly short bitcoins.
I'm not a hodler so always keeping my BTC in cold storage is not a good idea for me.
Unless they are needed for an active order, I recommend keeping them in a safe wallet. Cold storage or Bitgo would be best.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
Good advice, if only more bitcoiners realized this. Drain the exchanges dry for all I care, the idiot day traders need to be squeezed. Also, it'll help call out those exchanges that refuse to be audited and are possibly running ponzis.
Unless they are needed for an active order, I recommend keeping them in a safe wallet. Cold storage or Bitgo would be best.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
They will also be bought back repeatedly, driving the price up. Shorting just moves the market more rapidly in the direction it's heading anyways, and adds volatility. When prices are rising because demand outweighs supply, the shorters get busted, and it doesn't matter how many coins are on the exchange because no one wants to borrow them.
Unless they are needed for an active order, I recommend keeping them in a safe wallet. Cold storage or Bitgo would be best.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
Two good reasons:
1) They won't be stolen if you keep your private keys safe and unused.
2) Your BTC can be lent to others who sell them short. By keeping them on the exchange, you allow them to be sold short, possibly repeatedly. This will depress the price, hurting your investment. Get the coins off the exchange and they won't be used by the bears to drive price down. Get enough off the exchange and you will help squeeze the shorts, forcing them to buy.
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