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I'm just being honest and yes as much as you saying that people need to learn, but also people need to be made self-aware of the pitfalls in this industry.
I've got friends who have lost so much money from trusting rewards and giveaways. Really not worth it unless it comes from a legitimate source; Blockchain.com, Coinbase or BAT rewards etc.
That's just greed, you must be talking about those scam ETH giveways on twitter. I strongly believe only greedy fools with mindset of earning quick & free money (Ponzi scheme business) fall for those type of Scam. From the name give-way they're supposed to understand it's meant to be free if it's truely a giveways and anything that involves putting xx amount of coins to get xxx amount in return is just pure Ponzi which means scam and should be avoided. Good they learnt their lesson though.
No we are talking about legitmate coins getting their websites cloned and added onto airdrops.io with a GoogleForm asking for private keys. There not that stupid to fall for giveaway scams on Twitter. I'm talking about state of the art copying and email phishing on BIG PROJECTS.
Also. I know someone who got 5 BTC removed from their Trezor wallet. A legit upgrade came up, his computer was phished. Crazy huh.
The spammers are not the only one to blame.
Bounty managers have also part in turning the regular users into spammers/shitposters.
You can't have minimum post requirement like 20/30 posts per week. This rule just push you to post any kind of shit to get your stake for the week, if you have nothing to post about. C'mon this does more damage than to make a good expose to a project.
I love DarkStar_'s rules in our campaign that you can have even 0 posts, it's freedom, you just have a natural life in the forum without being pushed (of course if you are not greedy) to post and the income from the campaign is just a side effect, not the main purpose to be here.
Bounty managers have also part in turning the regular users into spammers/shitposters.
You can't have minimum post requirement like 20/30 posts per week. This rule just push you to post any kind of shit to get your stake for the week, if you have nothing to post about. C'mon this does more damage than to make a good expose to a project.
I love DarkStar_'s rules in our campaign that you can have even 0 posts, it's freedom, you just have a natural life in the forum without being pushed (of course if you are not greedy) to post and the income from the campaign is just a side effect, not the main purpose to be here.
Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow,
This is not true sir, but probably most are here for this.Problems with bounty or air drops are huge, but biggest of them all is people actually not earning anything from this great opportunities
.Many senior members try to warn them and save them their time.
This forum is popular because it provides good information that are very useful especially for the newbies.
I make money from bounty and from signature campaign and for me it's a privilege, I'm promoted to Hero Member because I'm loyal to this forum.
Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow,
This is not true sir, but probably most are here for this.Problems with bounty or air drops are huge, but biggest of them all is people actually not earning anything from this great opportunities
.Many senior members try to warn them and save them their time.
I am not here to criticize anyone or bash them for being honest and doing what they are actually here for. I have been seeing a lot of post by senior members criticizing newbies for taking part in bounty campaigns or airdrops. Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow, through our respective ways of course so what's the point of pinpointing newbies? if they are doing it after doing proper research good for them and even if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn. Accept their ways and most importantly respect them as well. No offence.
The problem is, plenty of people on here, and myself included are sick and tired of the same old on here. We want something new. All we see is newbies who pop up and think they're gods gift because they have bought crypto at the right time. But then you get the serial scammers who build up multiple accounts and try to manipulate the system. The crypto industry in bounties and airdrops is majorly flawed and all we try to do as a community it to protect others.
I'm just being honest and yes as much as you saying that people need to learn, but also people need to be made self-aware of the pitfalls in this industry.
I've got friends who have lost so much money from trusting rewards and giveaways. Really not worth it unless it comes from a legitimate source; Blockchain.com, Coinbase or BAT rewards etc.
I think this is a phony problem as ranks mean nothing and do not reflect the real potential of a given user.
When reading replies, I don't focus on whom wrote it as it does not make any difference.
There is nothing wrong in joining bounty campaigns, even mods rent their signature space to make an extra income.
When reading replies, I don't focus on whom wrote it as it does not make any difference.
There is nothing wrong in joining bounty campaigns, even mods rent their signature space to make an extra income.
The are not only pinpointing the newbies other users are affected but if logic is anything to go by newbies are new to this forum and mostly don't know much about bounties and which is shitty or substantial
I think thisbis the part for a newbie in which they have just to accept it. The higher ranking members are free to criticize whoever they want at the same time since they too when they are at your rank have been treated the same way. Think of it like the rookies being hazed by veterans in sports, rookies are treated worse but they know they'll have their time to do the same. It might not be your ideal welcoming in the forum but I think its their way of telling you to be better in the forum.
In this forum, we make us habit, that we trust only those members who have great position, good trust and one thing is newly and that is Merit, then we trust him. Personally i think we do it right, because why we trust on newbie member? Even you will also not trust any newbie.
Although the forum rank has a bearing on trust, you cannot conclude that all newbies are untrusted and scammers. There are actually newbies trying to contribute and help the forum on their own way, just as like what we did before when we first started.
The problem revolves not on the forum rank per se, but on the post history where they spam threads and create meaningless threads just to fullfil their bounty obligations. That is where most of the hate comes from and not on newbies, in general. It just so happened that most newbies and jr. members participate on bounties.
I am pretty sure that if high ranking members did the same way, they would also receive the same treatment.
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You are talking about last 2 weeks, when yobit entered, actually in this matter, mostly negative trust members are joined yobit, and yobit accepted them, that's why yobit and negative trust accounts were banned.
In signature campaigns all negative trust accounts are not working, because they all are scammer.
However If rank is not matter then definitely trust will be matter, we can't trust in member who has negative trust, then doesn't matter that he/she is newbie or Sir. member.
In signature campaigns all negative trust accounts are not working, because they all are scammer.
However If rank is not matter then definitely trust will be matter, we can't trust in member who has negative trust, then doesn't matter that he/she is newbie or Sir. member.
Nope, that wasn't the case, you should understand though, not all red tagged users are scammers. Some are just victims of misunderstanding how the rules work over here, e.g no promotion of Ponzi or projects with scam accusation or no account farming. That's why theymos have say it time without number, "Do not rely on the trust system, always carryout individual research before trading with a green or red tagged individual".
Yobit's signature campaign and their participants were banned because of spam. Although not all participants of the campaign were banned anyways, only those that did get one good report against them for spamming the forum irrespective of their trust scores. Also the campaign ads got banned because it was encouraging spammers through paying them to spam the forum not because of any shady business of theirs that doesn't relate to the forum.
Don't think the problem is rank but spam maybe and as we talk about spam,last days we can see many sr.member and even higher rank, users were banned becouse of spam in forum when they were wearing yobit signatures and making over 20 post in a day as i remember so do your work but dont spam.
You are talking about last 2 weeks, when yobit entered, actually in this matter, mostly negative trust members are joined yobit, and yobit accepted them, that's why yobit and negative trust accounts were banned.
In signature campaigns all negative trust accounts are not working, because they all are scammer.
However If rank is not matter then definitely trust will be matter, we can't trust in member who has negative trust, then doesn't matter that he/she is newbie or Sir. member.
Don't think the problem is rank but spam maybe and as we talk about spam,last days we can see many sr.member and even higher rank, users were banned becouse of spam in forum when they were wearing yobit signatures and making over 20 post in a day as i remember so do your work but dont spam.
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It’s not a Rank related phenomenon per se, but rather more related to attitude in general. Now of course, the higher the rank, the more time you’ve been on the forum and thus, the more versed you should be in its ways and sways. By that account, lower ranks have been here less time, and are more prone to jump straight at the milking-cow’s (thin) boobs, bypassing forum’s cultural etiquette, and jumping straight into spamming as a means to a cause. Eventually, this comes down to how one is as a person, often reflecting on the posts.
In this forum, we make us habit, that we trust only those members who have great position, good trust and one thing is newly and that is Merit, then we trust him. Personally i think we do it right, because why we trust on newbie member? Even you will also not trust any newbie.
Am not in support of attacking of newbies but constructive criticism is allow in other to avoid spamming and plagiarism, most newbies take up any bounty offer's without due diligence check which most time end up scamming them and at the same time helping to scam other members. Everyone was once a newbie.
"Newbies" are targeted because these accounts are more commonly used to spam the forum. A "newbie" account is not backed by months and even years of effort and time, so it is a disposable account that can be banned for spamming, without any serious impact to the owner of that account.
The more senior members cannot do this with their accounts, because loads of time and effort has gone into their accounts to rank up to the higher levels. So for obvious reasons people will focus more on "newbie" or lower level account behaviour, because it generate more spam and inconvenience for higher ranking members on this forum.
The more senior members cannot do this with their accounts, because loads of time and effort has gone into their accounts to rank up to the higher levels. So for obvious reasons people will focus more on "newbie" or lower level account behaviour, because it generate more spam and inconvenience for higher ranking members on this forum.
I am not here to criticize anyone or bash them for being honest and doing what they are actually here for. I have been seeing a lot of post by senior members criticizing newbies for taking part in bounty campaigns or airdrops. Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow, through our respective ways of course so what's the point of pinpointing newbies? if they are doing it after doing proper research good for them and even if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn. Accept their ways and most importantly respect them as well. No offence.
Don’t get offended about the criticisms if you are not one of them,remember whats being pinpointed are those newbies that literally spamming the forum and just flooding each thread with their shitposts and also you can see more newbies creating a Threads and just abandoning without returning back to answer the posts putted on the said threads,so this means it’s an obvious post farming from their alts .i can see you are a goodposter so just focus on your works and never get affected if you know to yourself that it’s not about you 
I am not here to criticize anyone or bash them for being honest and doing what they are actually here for. I have been seeing a lot of post by senior members criticizing newbies for taking part in bounty campaigns or airdrops. Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow, through our respective ways of course so what's the point of pinpointing newbies? if they are doing it after doing proper research good for them and even if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn. Accept their ways and most importantly respect them as well. No offence.
Most criticism of those users i've seen has been because of very very low quality posts and or just straight up stealing other postsalso google translate spam in subforums, why would i criticize somebody because he's a newbie.
The people i've mentioned should get criticized and also a lot of them deserve to get banned
The reason why newbies are criticised is that newbie is the lowest rank on the forum and there are lots of spammers on the internet who just want to promote their links or a Ponzi scheme thereby registering on different forums spamming them with unwanted posts and since newbie is the lowest rank on this forum all the people who Signup with intent to spam are newbies so when anyone sees a post made by a newbie they either ignore it or criticize it.
Good team, great project.
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@op we saw thousands of those posts fucking up the forum and that’s why Merit was introduced. I wrote a guide to helping newbies rank up and I know for a fact I helped change numerous newbies from shitposting fools to great members of the community. Sure you can come here shitpost or post low quality nonsense but you won’t earn the merits to rank up and earn many multiples more at a higher rank.
Maybe think of it this way, are you a bloke who is happy to bang a fat chick in a bar? If you are cool with low standards you are probably a numbers guy who hits on 49 hood rats and knows one will give you a BJ in the bathroom. Or are you a man with style and only goes for 10’s? If it’s the later then a lot more effort is involved than just chucking out chatup lines and scatter gunning,
Think about what you want from this place, if it’s to earn $50 or whatever the going rate is for a bounty then crack in with option 1. If however you want to become part of a community, build a portfolio of coins, invest the earnings and enjoy compounding and bull runs then banging 10’s is what you need to do.
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@op we saw thousands of those posts fucking up the forum and that’s why Merit was introduced. I wrote a guide to helping newbies rank up and I know for a fact I helped change numerous newbies from shitposting fools to great members of the community. Sure you can come here shitpost or post low quality nonsense but you won’t earn the merits to rank up and earn many multiples more at a higher rank.
Maybe think of it this way, are you a bloke who is happy to bang a fat chick in a bar? If you are cool with low standards you are probably a numbers guy who hits on 49 hood rats and knows one will give you a BJ in the bathroom. Or are you a man with style and only goes for 10’s? If it’s the later then a lot more effort is involved than just chucking out chatup lines and scatter gunning,
Think about what you want from this place, if it’s to earn $50 or whatever the going rate is for a bounty then crack in with option 1. If however you want to become part of a community, build a portfolio of coins, invest the earnings and enjoy compounding and bull runs then banging 10’s is what you need to do.
OP, I completely disagree with your point. I think we shouldn't highlight only Newbies (but probably new members is the biggest part of problem).
The main problem here is that many users (no matter of their rank) came here just for money. They aren't interested in crypto, they just don't care about it. They are just trying to make x number of generic posts just to get paid from their campaign. Ranks doesn't matter - Yobit campaign was best example of that. There was hundreds of high ranked members shitposting so badly that theymos was forced to make sanctions against this campaign.
It's nothing wrong that people want to make some money on Bitcointalk. And it's great that people contribute to forum, actively participate in discussions, helps to other users and etc can earn money by doing things that they like to do. But it's not ok when people without any interest in crypto and discussions here trying to earn money, and as I said, in such cases it doesn't matter you're Newbie or Hero member. Personally, I hate double standards.
The main problem here is that many users (no matter of their rank) came here just for money. They aren't interested in crypto, they just don't care about it. They are just trying to make x number of generic posts just to get paid from their campaign. Ranks doesn't matter - Yobit campaign was best example of that. There was hundreds of high ranked members shitposting so badly that theymos was forced to make sanctions against this campaign.
It's nothing wrong that people want to make some money on Bitcointalk. And it's great that people contribute to forum, actively participate in discussions, helps to other users and etc can earn money by doing things that they like to do. But it's not ok when people without any interest in crypto and discussions here trying to earn money, and as I said, in such cases it doesn't matter you're Newbie or Hero member. Personally, I hate double standards.
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I am not against any user participating in bounty or signature campaign. In fact it'll be hypocrite of me to be against them when I'm wearing a signature myself and have showed interest in managing a campaign and I'll do that perfectly when I get a chance. Irrespective of what your main aim on forum is, whether it's to earn, learn or do both, you have to do them right and i believe this Newbies getting attacked are those not doing it right to benefit both the forum and themselves. You don't expect those who value the forum to seat down and watch the forum get destroyed by this spammers putting their selfish interest over others, It isn't just right.
There is some truth to your post OP, most of the respected members of this forum do wear paid signatures. The issue is that many newbies don't contribute to any meaningful discussion and are here to only make money. If you contribute to this forum in a meaningful way I see no issue making money by helping advertise a crypto service.
I have been seeing a lot of post by senior members criticizing newbies for taking part in bounty campaigns or airdrops.
The problem are not newbies who want to earn by honest writing. The problem are the mass accounts created which are professionally created in large quantities, then join signature campaigns and try to earn through bad, sometimes completely irrelevant posts. Such posts sometimes fill entire pages of threads and prevent a decent discussion. This is also a reason why many projects are no longer officially represented on Bitcointalk and have looked for alternatives like Slack, Discord or Reddit. During this time, many have developed an aversion to new users.
Three or fours years ago this wasn't really a problem, but it has become a problem in recent years. The merit system was an answer to this problem, even if it's not perfect, because it prevents the fast up-leveling of accounts, but honest new members need a long time to reach higher levels.
Hard to accept the truth but some newbies are spamming the forum, they join the bounty and not reading if they are qualified or not.
What we are holding now is just a rank, it does not entirely reflect our personality, remember that this forum has different users from different world, some are not so harsh when treating someone and some are just to harsh when they speak through their comment.
My point is, let's not get too emotional here, accept that we in the space where different kind of attitude exist.
What we are holding now is just a rank, it does not entirely reflect our personality, remember that this forum has different users from different world, some are not so harsh when treating someone and some are just to harsh when they speak through their comment.
My point is, let's not get too emotional here, accept that we in the space where different kind of attitude exist.
even if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn. Accept their ways and most importantly respect them as well. No offence.
The fact they jump in for everything without a minimum research is annoying for many, especially since the same newbies will come crying later for support because they've got scammed. A minimum background check is a fact you need in life, not only in this forum. And most don't understand (especially because they are too new) that although the forum has its way to punish the scammers, the ones scammed will most certainly not be reimbursed.
Then many are bashing even the seniors just because they are wearing a signature. So simply get used with it. There are many people here and everybody has a right for an opinion, whether we like it or not. Also some express themselves nicer and some not. If they offend then yes, there's a problem and has to be reported. Of course, one has to also be not too touchy.
As someone who respects people who respect them back, I believe that's the best way to earn it. Show them that you are doing nothing terrible and understand that you are doing something for yourself or for any other reason why you are doing what you do. For example, for bounty, why do you do it? Are you able to present the correct ways and not just spamming and copypasting a content? As long as you don't step on someone and you don't bash somebody else, I think you are good to go. Don't think about what others think as long as you know you are doing the right thing.
Did your country give license to drive in road even if they do not know "how to drive" right now, it is fine. They will eventually learn after doing couple of accidents, might be killing some people in learning. Ohh! we should respect their way of learning "how to drive".
That is a perfect comparison in my opinion. I must also say that critics of newbies and their posting behaviour are now much less frequent than eg. at the beginning of 2018 when hundreds of new members poured into the forum daily due to the Bitcoin hype.However, what is noticable especially here in the Beginners and Help section is that the same topics are posted over and over again. You read almost every day new guides 'How to avoid scams", "What is Bitcoin", "How to recognize scam" etc.
Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow, through our respective ways of course so what's the point of pinpointing newbies?
This is your assumption. We "like to earn" does make any compulsion to earn and "somehow" is sounding like that you are not caring about the right way or wrong way.
if they are doing it after doing proper research good for them and even if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn. Accept their ways and most importantly respect them as well. No offence.
Did your country give license to drive in road even if they do not know "how to drive" right now, it is fine. They will eventually learn after doing couple of accidents, might be killing some people in learning. Ohh! we should respect their way of learning "how to drive".
I have been seeing a lot of post by senior members criticizing newbies for taking part in bounty campaigns or airdrops.
most people don't "criticize" them for participation or their attempt at earning money. they "criticize" them for the spam they make to achieve that. not to mention that all of these "bounty campaigns" are advertising an ICO and scamming others so their participation is helping scammers succeed in their mission and that's not OK.Quote
if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn.
as i said it is helping scammers and that is called "complicity". 
It's really simple. Though there's definitely nothing wrong with earning money here(because that should be a good thing), people simply hate spammers; and mostly, it's the newbies and Jr members who do the spamming. Sometimes even going as far as committing plagiarism. Hence they get crap on mostly.
I am not here to criticize anyone or bash them for being honest and doing what they are actually here for. I have been seeing a lot of post by senior members criticizing newbies for taking part in bounty campaigns or airdrops. Lets get real here, eventually we all are here to earn somehow, through our respective ways of course so what's the point of pinpointing newbies? if they are doing it after doing proper research good for them and even if they are not doing it with some research and get to know that it's some scam that's even better for them because this is how some people learn. Accept their ways and most importantly respect them as well. No offence.
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