Topic: dont trust in arabic people (Read 836 times)

He's vanished in his lamp after stirring trouble

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Eh, who cares, as long as people are not spamming, I don't think it's okay to judge anyone for giving away some few merits, merits can be given for any cause as long as the sender is happy about it I guess, and to judge an entire ethnic group just like this is kinda hate speech

Who are you to judge whether that post deserves merits or not? Anyone can give merits to any post and no one can ask any question about it or raise any objection.

In the example, that very post relates to the EiD greeting as it is a very religious occasion for Muslims and it is no surprise that Muslim brothers give merits to such posts.

Anyways, stop being jealous of other people and better work on yourself.

No argument..

If you can connect him to a banned account you can get all his accounts banned..

What many are seeing as “racist” in the OP could be blamed a lot on terrible English..
Either way it’s quite pathetic to complain about merit like this..

Even if he did mean to be racist, that is so slight, so pathetic if a complaint, so terribly spoken, y’all gotta be able to brush that kind of crap off guys..

Their are people out there seriously racist against you.. Their are people out there seriously racist against me..
Ya can’t get all hyped up over slight blights like that..


If you want to defend yourself, or others, against “racism”, you need to intelligently debate the merits of WHY they feel the way they do..
“That’s Racist!” is not an argument..

For example someone claims “All Icelandic people are thieves, don’t trust them!”..
“Racist”? Doesn’t matter..
Are they all thieves? Find the truth..
Not all thieves? Person that made the claim looks stupid..
They are all thieves? Well good that you know now so you can act accordingly..


Are all Arabic users merit abusers?
Nope, not even the linked example is a good claim..
OP looks stupid..


You could also look at it like OP has terrible English, and he meant something like “don’t thrust merit distribution on the Arabic board”..

Don’t be so easily offended..
I’ll go ahead and go out n a limb and say that I believe that Arabs are often too easily offended, and they (everyone) should work on that..
Especially those who are from isolated/strict cultures where it is illegal/punishable to defame/blaspheme, because when they get on the internet they are in for a big culture shock..

It seems to me that the dialogue has taken a very serious path. While it is clear that the author of the topic wants to spread sedition in one way or another against a group of people based on their race or ethnicity.

The surprising thing is that this member belongs to the same ethnicity that he is attacking. Lol

I invite you all to visit my trust page and check the reviews left by this member using an army of alternative accounts just because I warned users not to lend him money he was requesting using another account, knowing that he had another old account (actually banned) and he had used to borrow money from someone in the Arab section and defaulted on its payment.
He sent me private messages with threats and insults. I was about to create a topic in the Reputation section about this topic but I gave up on the idea because it would be a waste of time.

I over reacted anyway. But I explained my point in a post on this thread. These newbie accounts are here to spread lies and defamed information to create a chaotic environment between the users. An account with two posts and already successful to create arguments between few of us. Isn't he successful in it?

I removed the red tag though.

I think you're still embittered about the OP's choice of words regarding the alleged racist comment and not adhering to the subtle advice from eddie13. I checked your reference in the tag and it still pointed to your comment #16 on how racist the OP was. You may want to revisit and review your tag. We don't have to kill a fly with a sledgehammer. 👇

First things first, an English lesson;

• Arabic is a language.
• Arabian is a peninsula or a horse.
• Arab is an ethnicity or a human with origins in parts of the Middle East.

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I almost responded to this thread when I first saw it because I am of Arab ethnicity and found it offensive, but I decided the best way to deal with this troll is to ignore him.



This is what I really wanted to respond to:  I agree 100%.  The trust system is being spammed with all kinds of stupid shit these days, let's not make things worse.

You have a valid point here, I am not a DT member however, you are correct, we should not give negative trust for such behaviour. I deleted it.
Thank you.

I do agree with you but I have some other point to make.

These puppet alt accounts do not mean to exists. The only and one intention for OP was to create this account to spread lies and defamed information between forum members. If we are starting against each others then his efforts are successful.

If he is “just a troll” then he did an excellent job of making you 2 act like fools, displaying your poor ethics and improper use of the trust system..

You should not be giving someone negative trust for having an opinion that is contrary to yours, and YES that includes being racist..

As soon as negative trust for being “racist” around here is an acceptable thing, this forum is over..

Please remove it and do not do that..

buwaytress, you and others, do you really need to give explanation to a troll? You guess are taking it seriously and giving him chance to troll more. Just forget about it and ignore. The people around here are well aware about your integrity. No need to explain anything. OP is just a hater who was not able to make his shit together and obviously crying now.

His balls are rotten LOL

I just fond this topic, so lets make it clear I have been a merit source for a long time and I sent more than 17k Merits, so the possibility of making a mistake by less than 1% is contained.

I distribute those merits to several boards, including Arabic board, there are a few topics in my local board, so getting merits is easier than others, but I rarely distribute all the merits enough to rank-up to one user (in other words, you need a few merits outside local board to rank-up).

The post referred to above represents the memory of Eid for most Arabs so sending 4 Merit (not 40) is not a merit abuse.
Any way I tagged you.

The very fact that the OP is not a new member but cowardly hides his identity behind a newbie account gives us the right to think that this is a personal relationship that comes from envy and racism. I wouldn't be surprised if the OP belongs to the Arab section, but due to his limited education, he is unable to receive any merit.

From here, we see a sneaky anonymous topic with a completely inappropriate name that offends the Arabic locale.

OP, All good things start with the person himself. Show everyone that you can do something better than create slanderous topics.

In my opinion the issue is not related to the abuse of the system at all, although most members agree that there is no abuse of the system if the merit is awarded on religious occasions and holidays, also who gave the merit only two members while he accuses all members of the Arab section of idiots, if the OP thinks that There is an abuse of the merit system. He had to send a report to the administrator instead of writing a topic full of abuse and racism against members of the Arab section, especially since he is a new member and I do not think he has the right or authority to evaluate the abuse of other members of the system or not, so the whole issue seems to be racism and revenge Just nothing else.

Such action can be classified as abuse of service because it does not deliver it to where it should be. There are cases where some users post merit on other users' apps on the service board as a form of support, but there are cases where users post merit on POA from newbie members or low rank on the bounty board as a condition for ranking up. Those are two different cases and maybe you know what the difference is and how to judge it. The problem of consequences in my opinion is very subjective depending on each user. Some DTs may be willing to post negative tag for users who abuse merit and some may not because of theymos friendly approach or themselves to users who abuse merit system.

One of the reasons I will not give up my fate in this forum is some level of privacy. You are not compelled by anyone to say your country, your marital status, your age or religion. Unlike some real world scenario that you would need to submit all your personal data, including that of your next of kin in order to recieve some dollars.

I do not support attack on religion because where I come from, religion did more harm than good. Religion divided us more than war did. That is why I denounced all religions and adopted just one. Check my personal text space to see my religion.

To set the record straight, what are the consequences of a user meriting a non-merit worthy post and what is yardstick to classify a post as not worthy of merits.

I'm feeling sorry for you because you're ashamed to use your true login. You're hiding behind a new account.

badluckalways or Lalas6378 is still salty that what he wanted to happen to other users backfired in this thread (Please rate that person (Kavelj22)) and most of his alts were discovered

Here is more proof that bert1587=badluckalways/Lalas6378

He forgot to log out of badluckalways and posted using bert1587
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6035/60356005.html

and then tried to hide it by changing topic and moving it to bitcoin discussion

You're right, but this kind of thinking doesn't seem to work for the OP. That's probably his right because I don't think we should regulate his beliefs and views on a religion. There's a possible personal grudge that might have led the OP to start spreading this hate, so I really have no reason to agree with his assumptions about that celebratory thread.

That's what it should be and this forum is really good at it.

I am not getting what is the connection between merit and trust. If a person is bad doesn't mean the religion is bad by the way. Admin is quite flexible when it comes to sending merits. So I don't think this is merit abuse or necessary to create a thread about that. Red trusted users also would receive merits because red trust doesn't mean he can't make a good post. Red trust means he abuses the trust system somehow. I respect all religion personally. So don't be jealous.

There is a provision that is expected by theymos on how a every user can spend the merit he has, don't spend your merit on posts garbage. But in the OP's case I feel di is a troll who hates certain users. That's a different case that might be better off if we ignore it.


You don't have to tell him that because I don't think he's a religiously tolerant user. I agree with what The Pharmacist explained.

This forum has people from all over the world, of every religion and of no religion, and it's a better forum because of it (despite when members who can't write English try to do so for bounties/campaigns, but that's another story).  I've got nothing against Arabs myself, and simply because that post got merited wouldn't change my views one iota.  I've seen posts get merit for far less substantial sentiments than that.

Bro, you don't need to defend your actions, believe me.  OP is either trolling or really just hates Arabs; I'm not seeing much support for his arguments here, so you needn't worry.

that's probably true, OP is not a Muslim. and s/he does not have good religious tolerance.
that's why s/he used a new account to create this racist thread.

I'm sure, the OP is also watching the discussion in this thread with his main account.

There are no rules and restrictions for each member who wants to share (Merit) to other members which they think is in accordance with their conscience and touched for members who want to give (Merit), whether it's local, arabic and so on, also from the word whether they say (Zzxxzz) or congratulations, that's their full right.


The words of @bert1587, have no value, it is for those of you who are not Muslims, but for a Muslim it is a word that has the best value, it is an honor and a Muslim tradition when Hari Raya arrives, Of course, if you are religious, you certainly don't want to demean the words of other religions, what you need to remember is, in this forum there are members who are Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, there are also those who do not have a religion, but they all still respect each other, unlike you.

Only replying because I'm mentioned -- the thread I merited had very little to do with it being a Christmas greeting (which I don't even celebrate neither religiously nor culturally). I generally merit any kind of positive Bitcoin-related effort, in that case, guy was collecting Bitcoin to buy food to distribute to the needy.

That said, I merit posts I think contribute in any kind of cheer, good will, positivity, and constructive feedback. If I think a meme captures the spirit of the post and makes me smile, hell that's a merit.

Few individuals do not represent a county, not even a group of people too. Definitely not the entire Arabic group in bitcointalk. Your statement is bold and offensive to an entire nation who speaks Arabic and lives in Arabic mainland. I will not defiantly take any of your words seriously in the mean time I will mark you as racist. To be honest you do not belong to this forum too. We do not need you.

The example you pointed out from the links you supplied and what the OP reported here aren't the same in any way. If anything, they're poles apart in miles. I believe what OP reported was a mere greetings of sort but what you pointed out isn't just mere greetings. The OP in your report used that season opportunity to showcase some charitable works they've done and the publicity that was involved, both for themselves and the entire forum as we can see the name of this forum there. It was based on that, I believe, users merited them.

BTW, kindly check the links you supplied. Both contained the same thread.

This topic Merry Christmas to the Forum is similar to the case mentioned above, however, it got about 9 merits from @Cyrus

A Crypto Christmas; Using Bitcoin to help feed the homeless got hugeblack (10), CryptopreneurBrainboss (, Pokapoka124 (6), Ratimov (5), Rruchi man (5), RickDeckard (5), buwaytress (2), Mpamaegbu (2), Darker45 (2), LogitechMouse (2), Halab (2), Smartvirus (2), mdayonliner (2), Accardo (2), davis196 (1), rhomelmabini (1), hyudien (1), levyashin (1), Jawhead999 (1), CryptocurencyKing (1), Poker Player (1) Merits.

Therefore, we cannot describe the situation as a Merit abuse, and therefore we cannot generalize to Arabic local board or to all Arabs.
If you give a more detailed Merit abuse topic, you may find some sympathy, but you are trolling for now.

The Arab section, like other local sections, includes a limited number of active members on a regular basis, and we act with great affection among us and with great respect. Almost there is a topic that comes down in the Arabic section to congratulate Muslims on the most important religious holidays because the vast majority of Arabic-speaking people are Muslims, and almost all Arab countries are countries that embrace the Islamic religion, with minorities from other religions and sects. Even members of other religions or non-religious people share congratulations on these occasions and I really don't see what the harm in that is.

I do not understand what is the problem with members congratulating each other on a holiday or religious occasion, and what is the harm in having one of them obtain merit points based on those congratulations.

This topic bears clear racist traces, and I doubt that the its author is a Muslim or an Arab in the first place.

Since I am a member of the Arab section so I am concerned with these racist accusations as well, thanks to all the members who answered you with what you really deserve, this topic is the least we can say about it as a petty racist, how do you describe everyone in Arabic section they idiots just because they gave some merits on a sacred religious occasion for them? This is complete nonsense!!!
After all you are posting through a new account created yesterday, it is definitely an alternative account and not your main account, I advise you instead of bothering yourself with these things to bother learning and posting useful things until you get merits instead of wasting precious members time on these racist topics.

Since I am mentioned explicitly in this thread I must comment.

Above mentioned thread was, as pointed out by other members, a post of celebrating a specific muslim holiday.

It's like when Christmas comes around every year and the "Happy Holidays" thread on Meta board with tons of merits is bumped. There is nothing wrong with such merit.

I think you are too racist by making that title. believe it or not, you can reveal more account specifics. not all like that.
out of context you mean, I believe not all Arabs are like you claim.
most importantly, you accuse with a new account. it looks very uncool.

The Arab section consists of a very small number of people, and it seems to have its own merit source. What's so outrageous about people sharing merits on their local bulletin board? I know that similar support exists in all locales. And I don't see anything wrong.

You also need to stop being jealous and learn Arabic, in which case local users will reward you with their merits.

your reference doesn't make sense. merits can be used to tell someone that they appreciate their post. sending someone merits no matter how shallow you think the reason is, does not make someone untrustworthy. also, looking at what Kavelj22 posted, it looks like you are the one that should not be trusted.

If you take a look at my trust feedback page, you can see clearly that the user  which op is talking about is his alt. Op is a newbie one day old account which was created for the reason just a try to debase my reputation.

See under Untrusted feedbacks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2443746

Lol. The only positive feedback in the list displayed in above image was made by the borrower who lost his money after lending it to user bert1587 (Actually banned for unknown reasons) and he is also the one who replied to the greetings of the Islamic Eid in the topic mentioned above by op.

Don't take all of them the Arabs, maybe only about one or two people and I don't think it will represent everyone.

The user you are talking about has a bad reputation about loans ^{[defaulted on loan]} - check references. But of course you can't blame him for posting something that is considered a big celebration like Eid or so and earns some merit. This is not an abuse of merit, and I don't think it will change his reputation much.

Forums don't need racists like you, because that's not what we're looking for here. If you want to contribute why not with a more educational argument? There is no need to make such comments here. You have the right to dislike someone, but mentioning a particular race, ethnicity, or class is not the attitude of an intellectual knight.


I'm going to pull myself out of this thread, it's a waste of time!!!

Op belong to an army of alts created by user bert1587 who is a loan defaulter, just to leave negative feedbacks in my profile because i warned people about him asking for another loan using one of his alts. Check my trust page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2443746

I created this topic on my local board (arabic) looking for support from other active users in the board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5401497.
Unfortunately, just one user supported me by leaving a good feedback telling that i deserve a better evaluation.

I know that nothing can be done to erase those false evaluations, but at least those accounts should be tagged as a warning for others not to deal with any of them and that they all belong to the same person. Other users from the Arabic section can confirm what i am saying here.

This is the translated version of his thread

Eid Al-Adha definition

He's celebrating their own religion feast, most likely both hugeblack and NotATether is celebrating too, the reason why they merited his post is they want to say thank you or respecting each other as a Muslim. Do you really hurt to see someone gave 4 and 2 merit because of this reason?

What about this he only make a simple draw and got 30 merit from theymos, should we not trust theymos because of this? NO.

It's not a merit abuse though it's not recommendable to merit such post, but there are a lot posts who doesn't deserve any merit, but still got merited.

If you want to report about merit abuse, no need to link them into their religion! That's a racism and racism never been allowed in every countries!

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Move this topic to Reputation section

Isn't that's a little bit racist? Not all Arabic people are like that and doesn't mean they merit that it means they cannot be trusted already. If you find it skeptical or unnecessary to merit you can make your complain in the reputation board and also, after all it is their merit and they wanted it to spend the way they like it such as giving merit to a post that wish good to his fellow brothers.

guys dont trust in arabic people

refernece
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57496913

you can see that bert1587 just say Every year and all my Muslim brothers are fine
this is nothing
then
Merited by hugeblack (4), NotATether (2)

why he get merits

In the Arabic section they give merits as Compliment only

to all have more merits

just they idiots

if you enter this Bitcoin Forum > Local > العربية (Arabic) you will see that all get merits without any reasons
just merit abuse