Topic: Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa (Read 551 times)

I think I will vote for this.  If they will forced education or jobs to its people, why not? I will not complain at all. But in terms of vaccination, an individual can always say no to this as it is his own body, he has the rights on it. But whatever happens, it will be his responsibility to take care of his body.

Finally...you're being optimistic!

Global mandatory vaccinations in 3...2...

[scatters some crackers for the parrot]


"Forced Vaccination: the Tragic Legacy of Jacobson v. Massachusetts"

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/11/15/forced-vaccination.aspx

Compulsory just means they might get fined or banned from public places (especially children in school) if they don't get vaccinated.  ( I don't know know how exactly they are handling it in Samoa, but they obviously aren't going door to door holding down anyone who tries to refuse, I think most likely they are just saying 'NEW RULE, EVERYBODY HAS TO GET VACCINATED, THERE'S A MEASELS OUTBREAK!).  In most US states, by law if you want to send your child to public school you gotta prove they've had all the required vaccinations.  That's compulsory vaccination.  (there are medical exemptions obviously)

Google 'compulsory vaccinations' instead of just 'compulsory'

What makes the article interesting isn't that that Samoa is making the measles vaccine compulsory during a major measles outbreak, that's just common sense and happens all over the world.  It's the fact that they are taking action against people spreading anti vax propaganda and discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

This whole situation has a lot more meaning in the context of recent events now doesn't it? Anyone else notice how the frothing 2 minutes of hate style attacks on "anti-vaxers" (I.E. anyone who says anything but the official and popular consensus on vaccinations of any kind) was consistently increasing before these recent events? It is almost like some people knew this was coming, isn't it?

Hell is the place where unbelievers go, for their souls/spirits to be resolved into their component parts so God gets His energy back from them. And you suggest that TECSHARE can calm Hell down?

Seems to me that TECSHARE was being very mild and nice when he talked to you about "your irrelevant rambling."

you as an adult can calm the hell down. you are not even eligible for mmr as you are not in the at risk group. so chill the hell down. your body is not at risk.

however you exaggerating things like 2 death due to bad batch out of thousands.. into your warped "killed people by the millions" fiction.. just does not play in any sane persons mind

so atleast learn the facts
1. you are an adult no one is going to give you an MMR jab.. so relax your little head
2. dont force your ideals onto others about what they should or should not do. as that is being hypocritical.
3. dont force your ideals using fiction/myth.
4. all you can do is to try. yep try to be honest and just supply info. if they take it or dont its up to them

5. most importantly. YOUR body was not harmed in the samoa drama. YOU have no clue what actually went on. so chill the hell out and realise your emotions have triggered you negatively for the wrong reasons

6.. lastly.. if people were vaccinated once every 20 years. the death rate would be lower than people not vaccinated who got infected. also the anti-vaxxers are a more causation to death counts than vaccinations. also due to the outbreak due to antivaxxers.. the pharmaceutical company actually made more money in 2019.

yep if the antivax agenda is to try bankrupting pharmaceutical companies.. guess what. their actions done the complete opposite

What does your irrelevant rambling have to do with the fact that bodily autonomy is arguably the most essential of rights. Pharmaceutical companies have been killing people by the millions for profit for years with all kinds of dangerous drugs, but apparently when vaccines are involved all of their motives and results magically are perfect some how. This whole if you don't like compulsory vaccinations you are arguing vaccinations don't work straw man is bullshit. People just want to be able to choose what goes into their bodies.

now the math and the propaganda myths have been busted..

my view of antivaxxers is this
if you wanna been a fool and not vaccinate yourself. do these things
1. independantly research if the vaccine is actually affective and what the % of risk/benefit it has. dont take a 2 cases out of thousands as some reason to go on a hate campaign. actually understand that a case of 2 deaths due to a bad batch is not even 1% of the thousand or so given that year

2. if you still fear the under 1% risk. then try to segregate yourself from the risk by not associating yourself in group activities. not only to avoid yourself from getting infected but also to avoid you infecting others.

3. if yo dont want to segregate yor self to prevent infection then atleast do not be a complete ass and spread it. if you become sick stay home. dont be an ass who spreads it around like its their moral right o do so

4. if your still an ass then expect consequences


just because you as an adult feel that you have a strong chance of surviving an infection naturally. does not mean the young and elderly around you are just as strong. atleast have some respect for others
stupid fools think that because they are 20-50 and not eligible for a vaccine that they strangely think their kid or grandparents should not have it too.

there is a good reason why the young and elderly are eligible and others are not. understand and respect that reason.
dont let your ignorance guide you to cause harm on others

again research your own quotes
ELIGIBLE

it does not mean everyone.
do the friggin maths

people 20-50 are not eligable
its the people under 20 and over 50

again do the math
out of the ones not vaccinated.. they become eligible to be vaccinated
so again do the math if 75% had the jab thats only 25% that did not. so 3 years ago 25% percent of babies..
so again do the math if 34% had the jab thats 66% that did not. so 2 years ago 66% percent of babies..

it does not mean every single of all 200k samoans got vaccinated in a couple month period from november 2019-now
it means only a few thousands.. you know the eligible ones.. you know the ones not already vaccinated
meaning the numbers are lower.. very very low compared to your fictional belief that it was a every door knocked down and all 200k forced vaccinated in 2 month


wake up and smell the maths.
once you take a long whiff of the maths and ready suck it up into your system.
and actually let it pass through the blood brain barrier to actually reach your brain
 then you can try contemplating the reality that with just a few thousands immunised
it was not some big military nazi invasion as you make it out to be

have a nice day

I'm expecting this to happen in my country soon, except it'll be due to polio. Which I think most can agree is FAR worse than measles. Personally, I'd rather keep my limbs functional.

What do three year old immunization stats have to do with current stats?

"Almost 90 per cent of eligible Samoans have now been vaccinated with a two-day curfew lifted on Saturday."

"Data presented by health officials early this week during a cabinet meeting shows a 99.7 per cent vaccination rate for mumps, measles and rubella in the territory, officials said."

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/hawaii-team-returns-from-measles-vaccination-trip-in-samoa/news-story/b41342781a4115abfc0a29eb3b57797b



"Vaccine rates in Samoa were just about 31% when measles took hold, the World Health Organization (WHO) says, a far lower proportion than in neighbours, such as Fiji and Tonga, where the disease has been more contained. "

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-measles-samoa-idUSKBN1Y9033

It amazes me with all of the history of pharmaceutical companies making toxic and harmful drugs and being sued for it later, some how if they are injected they suddenly have a stunning track record in your minds. There is profit motive here, and it is extensive and not necessarily in the interest of your health because vaccinations are a thing. I don't know what else to tell you if you don't think state mandated compulsory injections aren't a dangerous precedent or even legal for that matter.

you silly fool
people do not get yearly vaccinations every year for measles.

it is stats of 75% of babies vaccinated at 2017 vs 34% in 2018 due to the antivaxxers with their false info propaganda
so in a population of ~200k =~5k babies born a year.
this means ~1.25k were not vaccinated in 2017 and 3.3k in 2018 were not vaccinated

that means it was not a door knock of 200k peoples homes but probably 5k getting vaccinated that previously refused last couple years
and in many cases the number was lower as it was only those actually atrisk-actually sick

so give up your ploy of nazi invasion of every household where people were threatened with vaccines under threat of being shot.
give up your ploy of thinking nazi's were drawing red crosses on doors marking homes with 'marks of death'

it was in no way like that.
but do try harder next time to do some research and put some math to the numbers. it might surprise you that whats really the big nasty is media's portrayal of issues.
you know like the racist media shouting 'bomb them bomb them bomb them' to actually cultivate hatred for other countries
you know how russia is actually capitalist and buying iphones, kfc and actually servicing the international space station. but media portray the outdated vision of communist russia that just get drunk from vodka and use AK-47's

try to read between the lines of what media spoon feed you.
have a nice day

It was because of this reason many are not going after vaccanition. Why forced vaccanition only ?why not forcefully providing education and jobs ? It definatly wont benefit pharmaceutical and other big powers interest.

It went from around 30% to 90% in what, a matter of days? A week? How much closer to "everyone" do we need to get over 90% for it to qualify?

Would you be ok if they said "There's a serious measles out break right now.  We are declaring a state of emergency.  All businesses are closed and everyone should stay in their homes for the next 2 days.  If you haven't received the MMR vaccine you should put a red flag on your door and we will send someone to administer it for free."

My opinion is vaccinations should not be compulsory. This is compulsory vaccination no matter how much you want to imagine the bad thoughts away. People should have a right to choose what goes into their bodies. Bodily autonomy is about as critical of a right as anyone has. The rest of the debate is irrelevant to this fact.

I think you're opinion on what they should've done is very relevant to your opinion that they shouldn't have done what they did.

Without people, the government is just paperwork. The people don't stop being people just because they promise to uphold government paperwork.

Anybody who is a man or woman is subject to law suit by any other man or woman... even if he acts in government capacity for 8 or 10 hours a day.

the government is not paperwork.
the paperwork is policies made to keep government in operation and ensure people follow rules to reduce risk of harming others

the sooner you learn how things work and the reality of what actually happens. the sooner you can learn whats best to do and not do not just for yourself but for others. which leads you to have many choices of doing many things and without fear of being treated badly.

or you can just think negatively and exaggerate things to such an extent you become fearful of stupid things normal people dont fear. and feel like you need to fight to do things. instead of just do things

Wake up and realize that government is just some paperwork. Government doesn't want anything, because paperwork doesn't think. It's people who act as government officials that want things. But because other people don't understand this, they bow to the wishes of government people rather to their own wishes. Even the courts use this line of thinking all the time.

yep we already know you dont take the time to read stuff..

seems your still ignorant.
comparing nazi germany to samoa is a extremely large stretch. but hey this thread is starting to highlight more about your actions than samoa

goodluck with your propaganda that people were forced at gunpoint.
yea i know your next going to post foolish opinions that kids at playgrounds were being shot because they just wanted to play.
yea i know your next going to post foolish opinions that elderly were being shot because they couldnt walk home fast enough.

sorry but it wasnt some military campaign. it was just common sense health advice.. if ur sick or at risk of getting sick, stay home

..
next time try to understand the concept that the whole point of testing if someone actually has measles or just a allergic reaction to the vaccine is simple. so that only the sick get immunised.
it is not some nazi blanket campaign to jab everyone in sight.
and yes those classed as just allergic get what.. (heres your change to guess).. hint (gets to be told they are actually ok and get to carry on with their life
thats the point of testing. the government doesnt want to actually just jab everyone in sight.

No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant.

Honestly just curious what your opinion is. 

Does intent have anything to do with results? It doesn't matter what "I would do". Once again you just pretend this is not compulsory regardless of wide reports of them going door to door, a state issued order clearly stating it is compulsory, and a 2 day curfew where they shut down everything so they make sure you are in your home when they get there. Keep pretending. Slurp slurp.

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication? 

TL;DR

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

techshare. read and interpret your own stuff your quoting properly

you keep thinking its a every door gets knocked nazi campaign..

just check your own notes
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to red flag doors
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to houses with children but not the elderly first
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to houses with pregnant females but not the elderly first

so while your mind is imagining some militila guard knocking on every door. that is not the case.

lets word it another way.
lets imagine you were a middle aged male samoan.. no one would knock on your door. you can go to work. you can go grocery shopping.. be happy

as for the other stuff about the vaccine strain vs wild strain..
you have been ignorant of the numbers of the 95% where the 5% is a false positive of people showing symptoms of measles but not actually having it.

yes of course if you have 2000 people vaccinated you would have 100 showing symptoms and when tested it showing up that they were vaccinated.
this does not mean they have measles it means its a false positive result

what you are not reading is the words
vaccine reaction
vs
infections from wild type

and yes those who have had the vaccine will of course have a vaccine strain in the blood stream
what your not realising is the vaccine is a non-infectious form
its basically symptoms without the health threat. or simply put an allergic reaction

this is why it has been important to distinguish the difference so they know who is just having an alergic reaction and who is truly infectious and at risk to their health and health of those they come into contact with.

if you really wanted to pick a battle to be propagandised as a nazi campaign like your trying. im afraid to tell you. you picked the wrong battle

oh and remember to check your own notes if you want to start down the curfew avenue.. its not a nazi everyone stay in your home and militarised doctors will break down every door to jab everyone.
its a social order for only the atrisk groups to segregate themselves temporarily. your own notes show pregnant women the elderly and kids should not go to populated area's where groups of people congregate.

... And, the easiest option for finding those who don't want it, as well.

It works something like this...

"It's too dangerous, and we can't get away with it, in the States. So, where would be a good place... ?"

Samoa!!!

TEC, how do you think they should give everyone who needs and is able to receive an MMR shot during a measles outbreak on a small island country?

Having everyone stay home and wait for the medicine to be delivered as quickly as possible is really the only option.

Look what else is on page 1:

"ABSTRACT: During measles outbreaks, it is important to be able to rapidly distin-guish between measles cases and vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary outbreakresponse measures such as case isolation and contact investigations. We have devel-oped a real-time reverse transcription-PCR (RT-PCR) method specific for genotype Ameasles virus (MeV) (MeVA RT-quantitative PCR [RT-qPCR]) that can identify measlesvaccine strains rapidly, with high throughput, and without the need for sequencingto determine the genotype. We have evaluated the method independently in threemeasles reference laboratories using two platforms, the Roche LightCycler 480 sys-tem and the Applied Biosystems (ABI) 7500 real-time PCR system. In comparison tothe standard real-time RT-PCR method, the MeVA RT-qPCR showed 99.5% specificityfor genotype A and 94% sensitivity for both platforms. The new assay was able todetect RNA from five currently used vaccine strains, AIK-C, CAM-70, Edmonston-Zagreb, Moraten, and Shanghai-191. The MeVA RT-qPCR assay has been used suc-cessfully for measles surveillance in reference laboratories, and it could be readilydeployed to national and subnational laboratories on a wide scale."


"Recent measles outbreaks in the Canadian provinces of Alberta and British Columbia have emphasized the need for rapid differentiation of vaccine reactions (18, 19) from reactions to infection with the wild-type virus. During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees (3). Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data)."

"Genotyping is used to confirm the origin of an outbreak and to exclude endemic circulation, but it is also the only way to distinguish vaccine strains from wild-type viruses."

35% of those suspected cases were recently vaccinated and tested positive for the genotype that exists only in vaccines not in the wild. That is not no one. That is a significant contribution to an outbreak and furthermore it can be factually proven to be distinct from the wild measles version via this fast genotyping method.

So maybe you need to learn to read instead of just looking for the parts you think support your point an ignoring the rest.


"The new orders are as follows;

VACCINATIONS - The Government of Samoa reinforces the Head of State Order of 15th November 2019, for compulsory national vaccinations, starting first with the prioritized target age groups:
All persons aged 6 months to 19 years old; and
Non-Pregnant Females aged 20 to 35 years.

NATIONAL VACCINATION – It is confirmed that older age groups will also be vaccinated, once the prioritised vulnerable target age groups, are completed.

TRAVEL RESTRICTON - No child under the age of 19 can travel between Upolu and Savaii, until further notice.

OFFICAL ANNOUNCEMENTS - For all official Government releases and information in relation to the Measles Epidemic, the Government Press Secretariat is the official medium of communication.

PREGNANT MOTHERS – Henceforth:
that any pregnant mother is prohibited from attending her place of employment (whether public or private sector) except if she was vaccinated before her pregnancy; o rthat any pregnant mother is prohibited from attending her place of employment (whether public or private sector) if she is in doubt about her status of vaccination before pregnancy.

INCREASE OF AGE TO 19 YEARS FOR ALL ORDERS:

With reference to the Emergency Order dated 16 November 2019, issue the following revised Orders:

all organized public gatherings must not include the presence of children up to the age of 19; and
that unless a child requires medical attention or assistance, a child up to the age of 19 is prohibited from entering any medical facility."

Those are blanket compulsory vaccination orders. You can both keep pretending those Nazi dicks you are sucking are Popsicles, it doesn't change the facts of the matter.




No I consider it to be true when there are references to back it up, which there are in spite of your best attempts to ignore them.

https://samoaglobalnews.com/door-2-door-mass-vaccination2-takes-to-89-coverage-for-samoa/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-measles-samoa-idUSKBN1Y9033

https://news.yahoo.com/samoa-goes-door-door-fight-005923933.html

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/502449

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/hawaii-team-returns-from-measles-vaccination-trip-in-samoa/news-story/b41342781a4115abfc0a29eb3b57797b

"Almost 90 per cent of eligible Samoans have now been vaccinated with a two-day curfew lifted on Saturday."

I.E. you aren't allowed to leave your homes so we can make sure you are home when we go door to door vaccinating people compulsorily.

Vaccination can only be made compulsory when the disease has become treat to human life and maybe it is something that can be easily contacted by another human, if not I don't see reason why the government should make it compulsory for everyone to get vaccinated.

no its the international access that brings the disease in. and the stupidity of fools thinking not being vaccinated that makes epidemics occur.

the result is that vaccine companies then make more money to then vaccinate the unvaccinated.
vaccines are not the cause. they are the effect

if you dig a little deeper you also find that doctors are not circling every street knocking down doors and forcing vaccinations on everyone. what is actually happening is that when people are sick they call the doctor who tells them to stay home and someone will come to them to make sure its measles and then vaccinate them if needed

the real point of the reg flag/red sock on door knob is actually so that the neighbours and relatives stay away from that house for a few days to avoid themselves getting infected.

seems techshare has taken a limited scope comment and exaggerated it into being some militia style nazi campaign
its also worth noting that its mainly the kids and elderly that get priority home visits by doctors as they are the more at risk demograph.
again if techshare done some actual research its not anything like a every house is invaded and everyone is injected propaganda story he protrays it as

Doesn't Samoa have the best and deepest harbour in the South Pacific? It's probably the military industrial elite trying to kill off the population with their toxic vaccines.

here is a nice revelation and lightbulb moment techshare and badecker should really consider

ever thought that in 2002 it was irradicated and vaccine companies were going broke as they no longer had a need..
what if its the vaccine companies actually creating the antivax culture to actually bring back disease epidemics by making fools get viruses from foreigners just to create a need for vaccines.

in other words. the anti-vaxxers are creating a business need for vaccines. by putting their lives at risk.
the vaccines dont cause the epidemic. the culture of not being vaccinated causes more of an epidemic

lets use another analogy incase that one is too over your head to understand

imagine a government paid everyone a living-benefit allowance. so no one got poor.
but then there would be no need for employment.
so pretend employers developed a culture that 'living off the state' was slavery. making people not want to live off the state and try doing freelance jobs that paid pennies an hour. creating a culture of poor.
all for the benefit of business profit.

Do you usually consider something to be true because it's in the topic of a thread?  I don't.

So I read the entire article you linked.  (really, the whole thing)

Just now googled "Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa"

First result: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/05/samoa-measles-outbreak-families-fly-red-flags-to-request-vaccinations

Samoa’s main streets were eerily quiet on Thursday as the government stepped up efforts to curb a measles epidemic that has killed 62 people.

The government told most public and private workers to stay home for two days and shut down roads to nonessential vehicles as teams began going door-to-door to administer vaccines.

Families in the Pacific island nation were asked to hang red flags from their houses if they needed to be vaccinated.


Second result: This thread.  Topic composed by you.



Do you have any source, other than the topic of this thread that you wrote, that Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa?  

If not, will you please edit the topic to "Door To Door Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa for Families Who Request Them" so nobody else is misled.

no no no
try friggen reading the pdf you linked..
since 2002 it was said measles was irradicated and then due to international flights from countries that are not so good.. people spread the virus..
READ IT. it says it on page 1

the tests for virus vs vaccine is not about the vaccine causing a spread. its about.
" Since approximately 5% of recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine experience rash and fever which maybe indistinguishable from measles (9), it is very important to identify vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary isolation of the patient, as well as the need for contact tracing andother labor-intensive public health interventions."

its basically saying 100% of people getting the vaccine dont get measles. but 5% get symptoms of rash and fever which are not measles but can accidently be diagnosed as measles meaning those people and their families then get isolated even though they shouldnt be BECAUSE IT WAS NOT MEASLES

please just try to read things properly

the point of the real-time PCR is to identify whos just got a rash/fever. and to just tell them to get lost. so they can actually concentrate on the unvaccinated people that have true measles

no where in the report does it highlight that its the vaccines that is causing the virus
it does mention that the virus is being imported from other countries

yep. all them hippy parents that foster/adopt kids from developing countries end up bringing across all the diseases with it.
yep all them parents saying no to vaccine make their kid a target to actually get it.

It may seem that way, but there has only been one reported measles related death in the United States in the past 5 years.  About 70 million MMR vaccines were given during that time.
 https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf

No. Contagiousness is not the problem. Danger is the problem.

People have been getting measles here and there for thousands of years. A few die from it, but almost 100% of them live past it.

Now, it seems, that people are getting a different kind of measles from the MMR vaccine. And it seems to be far more contagious than natural measles. And it seems to be spreading death far more than natural measles.

Seems like you love the idea that people are being killed by vaccine companies. What are you, a one-man population reduction promoter? A PR man for population reduction! Wow!

Yes, you didn't bother reading the subject of the topic at all, but people that confirm your bias are right of course. You admittedly know nothing of the subject matter, but of course you are right. You didn't even bother reading the thread where I explained they are GOING DOOR TO DOOR GIVING FORCED VACCINATIONS. That is what compulsory means in this context. If the Nazis were alive today there would be a line of them around the block for the first class on your knees servicing you would be giving them. You are a repulsive human being.

The problem is how contagious it is.

If you are in the same room as someone with Measles for a few minutes, you're probably going to get the measles.  And it takes 4 days for the first symptoms to appear while you're still contagious.  If you are healthy and not too old or too young it won't kill you.  But if you come into contact with someone really old or young or with other medical issues during that four day period, things will be a lot more serious for them.  It just spreads like crazy.

That's just what the doctors say though. 

Except that the vaccine info expounded by the anti-vaxxers is right... at least regarding the efficacy of vaccines.

It seems that Samoa had a few cases of measles as virtually all countries do. Then the vaccines started for an epidemic that was far from an epidemic in proportions. Then the measles got worse than they had ever been.

How "worse" did the measles get? People around the world get measles and sit in bed for a week or two. Then they get up and go about life, free from measles. A few die. But people die from all kinds of things all over the place, and nobody will ever stop it from happening. But...

When you add the vaccines like in Samoa, the deaths rapidly mount, and cases of measles abound. In addition, as Robert Kennedy, Jr., found, there are no conclusive safety studies for any vaccines.

You might say for Samoa, think of how bad the epidemic of measles would have been if there weren't any vaccines. But there is no evidence from any country of measles causing an epidemic like this. We can only conclude that it is the vaccine causing the measles.

Franky is right.  

Compulsory just means they might get fined or banned from public places (especially children in school) if they don't get vaccinated.  ( I don't know know how exactly they are handling it in Samoa, but they obviously aren't going door to door holding down anyone who tries to refuse, I think most likely they are just saying 'NEW RULE, EVERYBODY HAS TO GET VACCINATED, THERE'S A MEASELS OUTBREAK!).  In most US states, by law if you want to send your child to public school you gotta prove they've had all the required vaccinations.  That's compulsory vaccination.  (there are medical exemptions obviously)

Google 'compulsory vaccinations' instead of just 'compulsory'

What makes the article interesting isn't that that Samoa is making the measles vaccine compulsory during a major measles outbreak, that's just common sense and happens all over the world.  It's the fact that they are taking action against people spreading anti vax propaganda and discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

Its unfortunate that it has gotten to the point of people being forced to get vaccinated but I still feel its largely because its the last option for them in that country to avoid an epidemic breakout. But really, I have seen people affected with polio which would have been avoided by vaccination but because their parents believes that its wrong such child was not vaccinated. Polio being just of the reasons, when I see the suffering such child was made to undergo and the amount of funds that is being committed to such vaccination projects, I would wish if they can be forced to get the child vaccinated by every means necessary in other to save the child from unending agony.

Learn to read "The specific order, therefore, to vaccinate is compulsory and is to be complied with..."

Do you know what the word "compulsory" means? It means no refusal allowed.

yes i go against what you say because what you say is stupid.

you have shown lack of knowledge lack of common sense and lack of experience but you pretend to be an adviser telling people to take court action on things you have no clue about. not only the topic but the methods of court.

your karl lentz references are proof of that.

courts can work but not the way you prescribe taking them.
standing up in court saying "im a man" is meaningless. asking to face your accuser and then deny the accuser exists is meaningless.
your whole pretense of thinking the accuser has to be the 'man' doing the harm is meaningless

accusers do not have to be the perpretator. the victims spokesperson does not need to be the victim.
in your mind if people actually followed your stupid advice it would require the child being in court having to explain why they dont want to be vaccinated. and the doctor holding the needle being on the opposition.

you have no clue. especially when you keep thinking courts by default have jury sat waiting for random people to turn up. just shows you dont know how the court process works at all.

if you want to actually learn how to win at court. do some friggen proper research away from the freeman cult mis-directs. you will learn alot more that way. yo are too stuck in the freemanhole you dug yourself. that you cannot see how small it is compared to the rest of the world. it has become your whole ife experience that you think the universe revolved around a 6 foot deep hole you decided to lay in. you just cant quite see the real world outside your hole, so you deny it exists

just get out your hole and try to gain some real life experience and some actual reality

^^^ Oh, franky1. You talk like you are right in court in this forum. When are you going to wake up and realize that the forum is simply a presentation of points and ideas? Outside of the moderators, the court is not this forum.

There are lots of things that you do in court that you don't do here. The forum isn't the place for every last answer for every last circumstance. Why do you keep on suggesting that court actions don't work and then in the next sentence suggest they do?

Wake up and realize that all you are doing is talking against things that I say because it is I who says them.

oh badecker.. seriously.. refering to karl lentz again...
shows how little you have learned over the last few months.

here is the funny part
in other topics you claim the risk of harm is not harm until actual harm is done..
then this topic you pretend the risk of harm is harm...

you cant even grasp the reality of either case and thus end up getting both wrong

by the way. going to court wont get governments laws changed.
but hey. you have obviously not been in a courtroom ever in your life so you have yet to learn this stuff..
your 'experience' is youtube and freeman websites. which just shows your limited knowledge and skills,

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as for this topic.
people can individually refuse vaccinations. what is being said is that organisations that try to stop other people are told to stop.
EG its like anti-abortion/prolife crowds

women themselves can choose to keep or abort a fetus (independant thought of the woman). but the organisations acting like cults trying to brainwash others.. shouldnt be forcing /swaying a woman in any direction...

oh and one more thing
when going to court. dont expect automatic victory just because you went to court quoting badeckers freeman crap.. badecker has no clue and freeman dont either.

many people have gone to court following that foolishness and lost.
and whats badeckers typical response. 'oh you done it wrong'
what he doesnt realise is those people done it following the wrong advice aka freeman advice

and if you ned proof. google it

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did you know people have taken cases to court and went through all the avenues all the way to the top courts and still lost. there was even a case where parents went to court to try being allowed to take their hospitalised baby to another country for treatment whereby the hospital the baby was currently in could not cure the baby(coz it was incurable) the parents obviously lost because there was no life-benefit of the parents actions. the hospital was right.
yea we can understan the emotions of parents wanting the best for their kids. but just assuming the parents will win because they are the parents and parents know best is not reality. sometimes parents dont know best.

^^^ Notice that I said, "When they become a threat to you personally, take them to court." The threat is when somebody passes a bill in government.

For example, we need people to determine what the personal threat of Trump being impeached is, and file man-to-man claims against anybody who is pushing the impeachment... and do it right now.

Check out the several "JC and Shaman" videos at https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos... Craig Lynch's site. JC and Shaman did a lot of the stuff that Karl Lentz talked about and knew about, but didn't do himself.



EDIT: Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6bN-43ojbQ.

While your solution isn't necessarily incorrect, it won't help you much if you are held at gunpoint at your doorstep and forced to be vaccinated.

Remember that in America, your body is your property. That is, it is proper to you. If you don't like forced vaccination or anything else, file a claim against the man or woman who is subjecting your body to their authority without your authorization.

Study Karl Lentz, Gus Breton, Craig Lynch on Youtube, Bill Thornton, and others who promote common law court of record. You don't have to wait for the bad guys to actually touch you. When they become a threat to you personally, take them to court.


WARNING! The Vaccines Are A Trojan Horse - Zach Vorhies




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Interesting. Isn't Samoa like a really small country? If there's sometime of new diseases it can take everyone out. Having said that, in such a small country people should be allowed to choose if they want to be vaccinated. If there's a measles outbreak for example, then those who chose not to will get it and does who did will not.

"All state of emergency orders ... are legally binding on the community. The specific order, therefore, to vaccinate is compulsory and is to be complied with," the statement read. "Any person that actively discourages or prevents in any way members of the community from receiving their vaccination injection is hereby warned to cease immediately, and is similarly warned not to take any further action of that kind.”

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/samoa-introduces-mass-compulsory-vaccination-drive/

The escalation of tactics has been growing now for a while. I have heard backpedaling from the "vaccinate at all costs" crowd for some time. At first they said it was completely safe and effective, and that was proven wrong. Then they said it would never be compulsory, and that was proven wrong. Then it was selectively compulsory and being required to go to school or go to government buildings, and they still cried it would never go further. Now they are literally going door to door with police injecting people against their will. This is the kind of thing that was done in Nazi Germany and the entire reason medical consent laws were created to begin with so that never again would a tyrannical state force medical treatment and experimentation upon its population without full informed consent. People have been warning about this escalation for a long time and you all dismiss them as the tactics steadily escalate incrementally into treating the population as herd animals with no rights to bodily autonomy.

Do they need to start executing people who resist now in the streets before you will wake the fuck up and see the pattern here or will you just be silent then too out of fear? This pattern has played out before. Don't let it happen again. Grow a fucking spine and stand up to this absolute tyrannical and genocidal behavior. It is no coincidence this escalation is being tested as a dry run in a smaller US territory filled with ethnic minorities. This is to work out the bugs before they roll it out across the USA and the rest of the world. What side of history will you be on?