[DOTA2] PGL Arlington Major 2022 Prediction Thread

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Congratulations to Team Spirit! I’m really expecting this to happened after the beat Aster on the lower bracket finals. Team Spirit is so good on analyzing there enemies and manage to do reverse sweep for a successful revenge to LGD in Riyadh Master Finals and Arlington Major Finals.

See you again on the Regional qualifiers for another action pack Dota2 matches. Wink

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Aster show an impressive performance on Game 2, They didn’t give a chance to Team Spirit to recover or get the tempo to avoid what happened on Game1. Juggernaut is still got a proper farm that’s why the net worth advantage of Aster is not that huge. Aster just manage to win all the team fights and they didn’t allow Storm Spirit to recover on the early game first blood. I think Team Spirit can still overturn the result if they win a single clash and get the bounty to Ori.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 14, 2022, 12:20:04 PM

Aster is playing in a rather murky manner and because of that I lost my first bet on them when they were 12-2 up in the first game. Now the score is 20-6 and they seem to win the second map for sure, but the gold advantage is only 4k. In general, I bet on the final victory of the TS, I hope I guessed right. I don't think TS will let Aster beat itself on two maps in a row in the same style.

Yeah, likely that they're going to win the 2nd map so this is going to take to map 3. 29-7 as of watching right now and there will be the decider match.
Whoever wins this battle for the grand finals is already tired of this series and LGD still got the advantage so I guess everyone is going to cry out loud for LGD as the champ on this major. Welp, this is just my opinion and the game and the tournament hasn't ended yet.

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Aster is playing in a rather murky manner and because of that I lost my first bet on them when they were 12-2 up in the first game. Now the score is 20-6 and they seem to win the second map for sure, but the gold advantage is only 4k. In general, I bet on the final victory of the TS, I hope I guessed right. I don't think TS will let Aster beat itself on two maps in a row in the same style.

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9 minutes to go for the Lower Bracket Finals between TS and Aster. I’m torn to choose between Aster -1.5 or over 2.5 map. Huh

Live bets show practically the same odds of teams:

Team Spirit 1.80

Team Aster 1.95

In my opinion, in this scenario, it is more reliable to take a total over 2.5. In general, the game looks like it is completely random, so I will not place bets here, but just enjoy the game (although I prefer LoL).

Yeah, I decided to bet on over 2.5 even the odds is bit small compared to -1.5 and I’m so glad I didn’t become greedy on choosing my bet because Aster lose on game 1 with an upset result. I’m still not confident on my over 2.5 map because I feel like that this game will gonna be a reply of there upper bracket match TS sweep Aster. TS is so good on recovering an early game deficits. I really like Aster draft but Team Spirit manage to capitalize on there error committed on the mid game which cause the snow ball of gap of Team Spirit.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 14, 2022, 09:51:57 AM

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9 minutes to go for the Lower Bracket Finals between TS and Aster. I’m torn to choose between Aster -1.5 or over 2.5 map. Huh

Live bets show practically the same odds of teams:

Team Spirit 1.80

Team Aster 1.95

In my opinion, in this scenario, it is more reliable to take a total over 2.5. In general, the game looks like it is completely random, so I will not place bets here, but just enjoy the game (although I prefer LoL).

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 13, 2022, 03:15:59 AM

Interesting turn of events, Beastcoast manage to beat the powerhouse EEU team. They will have a very good run if they manage to take down OG later today because I believe that they can beat Aster if they manage to go on the next round. This North American team is very unpredictable due to there insane team fights and pick off.

Actually Beastcost is easy to counter because there pos1 has limited hero pool. OG might experience difficulty to defeat them but I don’t see any reason for OG to lose on this team besides Yuragi will repeat his game play against LGD on upper bracket. OG with Ceb is very strong on this crucial fight on Lower Bracket. I think there only problem is the team that will lose between LGD and TS on the upper bracket finals.

Beastcoast gave OG a good fight but in the end, They can’t close the series on ending OG to Game 3. They made a statement on Game2 that they can use too OG draft against them and it works. I’m really looking forward for K1 to use his signature hero Wraith King but they still use Ursa that easily countered by OG using Arc Warden.

9 minutes to go for the Lower Bracket Finals between TS and Aster. I’m torn to choose between Aster -1.5 or over 2.5 map. Huh

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 13, 2022, 03:15:59 AM

Interesting turn of events, Beastcoast manage to beat the powerhouse EEU team. They will have a very good run if they manage to take down OG later today because I believe that they can beat Aster if they manage to go on the next round. This North American team is very unpredictable due to there insane team fights and pick off.

In the mean time, LGD and TS rematch on the upper bracket finals is so intense. I believe the one who will on this match will be the champion for this major because the remaining team on the lower bracket can give a hell of rounds to loser team on upper bracket.

I'm surprised that VP lost to Beastcost yesterday but that long pause was sketchy and the pick of Phoenix after kinda made it clear that BC will win the series. Now , will they survive next game against OG ? Uhm , if they play like yesterday , a true SA dota 2 game , they have big chances to surprise OG as well.

I think we all wait for PSG LGD vs Team.Spirit right ? revenge spot for LGD.

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Interesting turn of events, Beastcoast manage to beat the powerhouse EEU team. They will have a very good run if they manage to take down OG later today because I believe that they can beat Aster if they manage to go on the next round. This North American team is very unpredictable due to there insane team fights and pick off.

In the mean time, LGD and TS rematch on the upper bracket finals is so intense. I believe the one who will on this match will be the champion for this major because the remaining team on the lower bracket can give a hell of rounds to loser team on upper bracket.

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It's been a while since I bet on dota 2 games, the last several months I mainly focused on CSGO matches for my bets. Watched a few Arlington Major games and got excited again. Looking at the bookmaker quotes I saw that LGD PSG is a total favourite to win tonight. Their teams looks strong and they play very well together, so far they only lost one map to OG in the tournament. But there is almost no upside for betting on them with quotes around 1.3 - 1.4. The odds for the OG vs beastcoast match are very similar to LGD PSG match, both OG and LGD PSG seem like a clear favourites in their match today. Whereas the overall tournament match winner seems to be LGD clearly. I wonder why the odds for LGD winning the tournament are higher than their odds of winning today. I will stick with OG and LGD for todays game but will use my winnings for a bit more aggressive bets for tomorrow, a small bet on Team Aster or OG would make a huge profit.

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Unexpected thing that the Fnatic cannot make it into the TI 11 because of the 0.5 DPC difference points and its the day that there's no kuroky and Puppy in the direct invite for sure the qualifiers will become of the the bloody game for them, just a guess that the LGD will another secure the Top 5 again with this time, or else they are the one get the Aegis now for the third time.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 12, 2022, 01:19:03 PM

Outsider vs Beastcost is now live!

Beastcoast with the unexpected reverse sweep, K1's Wraith King doing some work together with their Snapfire support, and Outsiders drafting after game 1 didn't look that great as it felt like they were running out of options going for the Puck support in the game 2 and Juggernaut couldn't last long enough during game 3.

Also, Aster manages to edge out Entity in the final map, they shut down Entity's priority picks on the offlaner (Visage and Night Stalker) and then in the final map even though Aster was down early the scaling was too much on the side of Aster as the game dragged on.

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It's sad but Boom didn't find a way to get the game 3 to advance on the next round. I'm pretty sure Boom is very outdrafted on there game 3 picks because they can't find a way to locate dazzle and kill him without giving his grieves to enemy core heroes. Even Jackyyy is having a hard time to kill him quickly that punish his team mates on the back lines.

Entity is the better team on this league and still not bad for Boom to forced game 3. Outsider vs Beastcost is now live!

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Quote from: Eternad on August 12, 2022, 11:01:58 AM

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Right now Boom and Entity is having there fight. I’m hoping for Boom to win this time because they are so good on this kind of crucial fight on lower brackets. I knew Entity is a very strong opponent to beat but I still believe Boom can get em.

What a messed game for Boom, They got the early advantage over Entity but they gave it up easily by having a greedy team fight on Entity area without any clear vision. Storm Spirit moves is always greedy and I feel that he is very intimidated on how Entity mind games him on by taunting him to be distracted on the game. He didn’t do anything game changer in the game even catching Entity back lines.

Entity line-up is so good on pushing and late game which Boom allowed to happened exactly what’s planning. Fishman baiting them to react so that they will leave Lycan free farm. I think this is over and this is the farthest place SEA teams on this event.

It is too early to tell. We still have game 3 to watch and as I see in their draft, Boom is setting up pretty well. This could be another epic DOTA match. Entity countered the Booms tank with Necro but their core is quite lacking. I favor Boom on this draft. Let's see if they can carry this good draft to a win in game 3.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 12, 2022, 10:21:01 AM

Right now Boom and Entity is having there fight. I’m hoping for Boom to win this time because they are so good on this kind of crucial fight on lower brackets. I knew Entity is a very strong opponent to beat but I still believe Boom can get em.

What a messed game for Boom, They got the early advantage over Entity but they gave it up easily by having a greedy team fight on Entity area without any clear vision. Storm Spirit moves is always greedy and I feel that he is very intimidated on how Entity mind games him on by taunting him to be distracted on the game. He didn’t do anything game changer in the game even catching Entity back lines.

Entity line-up is so good on pushing and late game which Boom allowed to happened exactly what’s planning. Fishman baiting them to react so that they will leave Lycan free farm. I think this is over and this is the farthest place SEA teams on this event.

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Lower Round 1 Result

I’m surprised about the outcome of this Lower Round 1 because I thought Fnatic will beat Beastcoast because they have TSM core players that knew how Beastcoast plays. Boom on the other hand manage to take down Team Liquid which I’m expecting to have a recovery game after the group stage which didn’t happened. Matumbaman being off on previous tournaments makes his chemistry with team become shaky.

Right now Boom and Entity is having there fight. I’m hoping for Boom to win this time because they are so good on this kind of crucial fight on lower brackets. I knew Entity is a very strong opponent to beat but I still believe Boom can get em.

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Quote from: boltz on August 11, 2022, 06:04:11 AM

I was on the other boat even if I knew Entity are a great team that is currently in a great form as well. Nevertheless , EG played good only 1 map and 15 minutes from map 3 and with this play style they shouldn't win and the best team won yesterday. Now , can Entity make it further in this major ? Well , I think they can as Boom are shifting from great games to bad games from map to map.

EG's drafting looked lost during that third game against Entity as they didn't have any answer to the early pressure while Crit had to throw his body multiple times to stall the game and avoid bigger casualties whenever Entity decides to invade. I also think Entity will win against Boom since they 2-0'd them during the groups and the odds are slightly leaning in their favor as well.

That series between OG vs PSG.LGD was so good, I didn't expect the series to be this close and that final map nearly went to the side of OG but that Dazzle from the side of PSG.LGD was the difference maker and a big issue for the side of OG during team fights.

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Quote from: boltz on August 11, 2022, 06:04:11 AM

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EG defeat was predictable tho, at least for me, they have been perform poorly in this tournament, since day 1. They keep pushing RTZ to play heroes that he is not comfortable with and end up affecting the whole gameplay since he is the pos 1. And also I think the new offlaner haven't got the good chemistry with the team yet.

At the moment, I think Entity are a better team than EG anyways. Arteezy factor is always there but I haven't seem him hard carrying his team like he used to before. Teams anyways knows his playstyle and either try to ban his heros or know exactly what to do to mess with him. In a classic Entity fashion, they lose game 1 and get kinda stomped and they come back and stomp the next 2 games. They probably are just testing out strats for game 1 and get to what they've prepared for the next 2 games I suppose. That is to preserve their strats for longer period of time.

I was on the other boat even if I knew Entity are a great team that is currently in a great form as well. Nevertheless , EG played good only 1 map and 15 minutes from map 3 and with this play style they shouldn't win and the best team won yesterday. Now , can Entity make it further in this major ? Well , I think they can as Boom are shifting from great games to bad games from the map to map.

Today the EG does not make a good performance base on my observations they have good drafting but when it comes to the execution of the skills and making hunt to pick up kills and team fight doesn't make the real EG even though they win the game they want to chase and makes the game loses because of too much extension than doing the objectives.

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Quote from: dothebeats on August 11, 2022, 03:08:01 AM

Also, still can't decide between PSG.LGD and OG. Both are good teams on my book, though PSG.LGD's odds aren't that attractive. I think I'll lean on the over 2.5 maps just to be safe.

Game 3 of PSG.LGD vs OG is running at the moment and it looks like that OG can actually win this one as they have a significant gold lead at the moment. Of course LGD always has the potential to make 1 or two 2 teamfights in a row and to regain the lead in the match. Still it is surprising to me, that OG is able to deliver such a tight and open game against LGD because the chinese team pretty much looked unbeatable so far in this tournament and also in the Riyadh Masters which was only 2 weeks ago or so.
I can also imagine though that PSG.LGD is not really going all out today because the loser is not eliminated but only goes to the lower bracket.

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Quote from: vennali on August 11, 2022, 12:02:58 AM

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EG defeat was predictable tho, at least for me, they have been perform poorly in this tournament, since day 1. They keep pushing RTZ to play heroes that he is not comfortable with and end up affecting the whole gameplay since he is the pos 1. And also I think the new offlaner haven't got the good chemistry with the team yet.

At the moment, I think Entity are a better team than EG anyways. Arteezy factor is always there but I haven't seem him hard carrying his team like he used to before. Teams anyways knows his playstyle and either try to ban his heros or know exactly what to do to mess with him. In a classic Entity fashion, they lose game 1 and get kinda stomped and they come back and stomp the next 2 games. They probably are just testing out strats for game 1 and get to what they've prepared for the next 2 games I suppose. That is to preserve their strats for longer period of time.

I was on the other boat even if I knew Entity are a great team that is currently in a great form as well. Nevertheless , EG played good only 1 map and 15 minutes from map 3 and with this play style they shouldn't win and the best team won yesterday. Now , can Entity make it further in this major ? Well , I think they can as Boom are shifting from great games to bad games from map to map.

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Quote from: jakelyson on August 10, 2022, 05:17:45 PM

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I am watching Entity and EG. It seems that EG is going to be out, it's the 3rd game (1-1) and currently the game is 25 minutes long already but the score is 6-16 in favor of Entity.
Watching EG being destroyed like this is not new anymore and Arthur's Alchemist isn't that fat at all. They're struggling and Entity is doing it right.
And I think the game is about to end so, it's likely Entity is going to move to the next round on the losers bracket unless EG flips the table.

Like I said above, they are being outdrafted again just like in game 2. They are now out of the competition and entity is moving forward in the lower bracket. Their next series will be against BOOM esports.

I am now interested to see how Boom will fair against another W europe team. They were able to beat Liquid but Entity is another level. If they can pull off an upset on Entity, I can say SEA teams has definitely improved. They have a day at least to strategies on how to defeat Entity.

Entity is underrated and no doubt that they're a strong team. I think I've seen them play in other tournaments and they've ended well on that one. Can't expect a lot from EG anymore, they're always like this and chokes every tournament and I doubt that they'll ever get a TI championship again. While the others don't appreciate how Boom is doing as they're from the SEA because they're not getting the expectation that they're thinking from them. Boom is actually on the advantage right now, they're already qualified to TI and that's why win or lose, they'll go home happy.

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There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

Even though Aster 2-0'd Fnatic they looked a bit shaky on the first game and then quickly crushed the matchup on the second game so I think their next series with Team Spirit might be a toss-up while PSG.LGD has the highest chance of going all the way to the grand finals coming from the upper bracket.

About Team Aster, They choke a lot of times on previous tournaments even though they show a dominant performance on group stages. Monet is a good carry in general but I think Yatoro can handle him easily because he sometimes not performing well if his team mates don’t give him enough space unlike Yatoro that can do the job done despite there laning phase is so ugly.

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I knew Team Spirit can win but I have high hopes that Outsider can dominate them on this tournament.

I was expecting Team Outsiders to come out on top during that series but Team Spirit got the better draft on the decider game.

Team Spirit only shows how strong they are Lower Bracket journey. This is same story on TI and the recent Riyadh Master which they manage to go on finals even though they went from lower bracket. I think they can beat the hell out of Team Aster because TS on momentum is very hard to defeat especially if Torontotokyo and Yatoro is on the zone.

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Any bettors on Fnatic vs Beastcoast under 2.5 maps? Not really feeling Beastcoast's form lately, also K1 is kinda slumping off of his performance quite a bit. Imagine being extremely ahead but still losing just because wrong calls were made and target prioritization fails mid fight. Stinger and Wisper's talent should be taken somewhere else, and I feel like their teammates are holding them back from achieving a lot of things.

Also, still can't decide between PSG.LGD and OG. Both are good teams on my book, though PSG.LGD's odds aren't that attractive. I think I'll lean on the over 2.5 maps just to be safe.

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I am watching Entity and EG. It seems that EG is going to be out, it's the 3rd game (1-1) and currently the game is 25 minutes long already but the score is 6-16 in favor of Entity.
Watching EG being destroyed like this is not new anymore and Arthur's Alchemist isn't that fat at all. They're struggling and Entity is doing it right.
And I think the game is about to end so, it's likely Entity is going to move to the next round on the losers bracket unless EG flips the table.

Like I said above, they are being outdrafted again just like in game 2. They are now out of the competition and entity is moving forward in the lower bracket. Their next series will be against BOOM esports.

I am now interested to see how Boom will fair against another W europe team. They were able to beat Liquid but Entity is another level. If they can pull off an upset on Entity, I can say SEA teams has definitely improved. They have a day at least to strategies on how to defeat Entity.

I am not a fan of Bulba and I really hope he will be replaced and maybe even Fly too. As an EG fan, I still want them to play in TI. And maybe Fnatic wins over beastcoast and then drops Outsiders then it'll be a free ticket for EG in the TI.

Arteezy's playstyle centers extremely on farming unlike other carries of this patch. Dude's mindset is still "hit creeps = win" while others gank after getting that first core item. Aside from Bulba, EG should replace their carry, or at least clue Arteezy in on the current meta of carries. Dota is no longer a farm = win game. It has become dynamic and in high tier dota you can see carries joining the fight even after min 10 if they see an opportunity.

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I am watching Entity and EG. It seems that EG is going to be out, it's the 3rd game (1-1) and currently the game is 25 minutes long already but the score is 6-16 in favor of Entity.
Watching EG being destroyed like this is not new anymore and Arthur's Alchemist isn't that fat at all. They're struggling and Entity is doing it right.
And I think the game is about to end so, it's likely Entity is going to move to the next round on the losers bracket unless EG flips the table.

Like I said above, they are being outdrafted again just like in game 2. They are now out of the competition and entity is moving forward in the lower bracket. Their next series will be against BOOM esports.

I am now interested to see how Boom will fair against another W europe team. They were able to beat Liquid but Entity is another level. If they can pull off an upset on Entity, I can say SEA teams has definitely improved. They have a day at least to strategies on how to defeat Entity.

I am not a fan of Bulba and I really hope he will be replaced and maybe even Fly too. As an EG fan, I still want them to play in TI. And maybe Fnatic wins over beastcoast and then drops Outsiders then it'll be a free ticket for EG in the TI.

As for Boom. I believe they are very good players. The decisions and maybe their confidence level too is what cost them some games. I'm still hoping for Boom to win against Entity but no more bets since they might become content with a TI ticket.

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Quote from: vennali on August 11, 2022, 12:02:58 AM

Quote from: icalical on August 10, 2022, 11:49:35 PM

EG defeat was predictable tho, at least for me, they have been perform poorly in this tournament, since day 1. They keep pushing RTZ to play heroes that he is not comfortable with and end up affecting the whole gameplay since he is the pos 1. And also I think the new offlaner haven't got the good chemistry with the team yet.

At the moment, I think Entity are a better team than EG anyways. Arteezy factor is always there but I haven't seem him hard carrying his team like he used to before. Teams anyways knows his playstyle and either try to ban his heros or know exactly what to do to mess with him. In a classic Entity fashion, they lose game 1 and get kinda stomped and they come back and stomp the next 2 games. They probably are just testing out strats for game 1 and get to what they've prepared for the next 2 games I suppose. That is to preserve their strats for longer period of time.

Well the result is indeed in favor with Entity just like what you predicted and here again EG for doing the same draft pick for Abed, Bulba really needs to explore about Abed potential because his draft is just like an open book for there opponent. Abed did manage to win using Storm and then Bulba draft the same puck pick on game 2 and 3 which gives Entity the ticket for the second round of there LB journey. EG is losing there edge already because there draft didn’t improved anymore. Even new Div1 team Entity is not scared to Arteezy.

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Quote from: icalical on August 10, 2022, 11:49:35 PM

EG defeat was predictable tho, at least for me, they have been perform poorly in this tournament, since day 1. They keep pushing RTZ to play heroes that he is not comfortable with and end up affecting the whole gameplay since he is the pos 1. And also I think the new offlaner haven't got the good chemistry with the team yet.

At the moment, I think Entity are a better team than EG anyways. Arteezy factor is always there but I haven't seem him hard carrying his team like he used to before. Teams anyways knows his playstyle and either try to ban his heros or know exactly what to do to mess with him. In a classic Entity fashion, they lose game 1 and get kinda stomped and they come back and stomp the next 2 games. They probably are just testing out strats for game 1 and get to what they've prepared for the next 2 games I suppose. That is to preserve their strats for longer period of time.

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Quote from: dunfida on August 10, 2022, 05:49:02 PM

And yes, it do ends up on 1-2 and Entity win and push through next game.. rtz alche and abed's puck didnt able to do something on game 3. Saberlights beastmaster is indeed a beast.

You would definitely freak out if other teams 2 offlaners would pass on you. LOL! Game 3 was too easy for entity or simply doesnt really need soo much effort. Seems like EG gameplay
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but still they could make themselves try out for TI qualifiers but it would really be hard.

EG defeat was predictable tho, at least for me, they have been perform poorly in this tournament, since day 1. They keep pushing RTZ to play heroes that he is not comfortable with and end up affecting the whole gameplay since he is the pos 1. And also I think the new offlaner haven't got the good chemistry with the team yet.

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There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

Even though Aster 2-0'd Fnatic they looked a bit shaky on the first game and then quickly crushed the matchup on the second game so I think their next series with Team Spirit might be a toss-up while PSG.LGD has the highest chance of going all the way to the grand finals coming from the upper bracket.

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I knew Team Spirit can win but I have high hopes that Outsider can dominate them on this tournament.

I was expecting Team Outsiders to come out on top during that series but Team Spirit got the better draft on the decider game.

After the last two games by Team Spirit when they could beat Navi and Outsiders, I won't be a surprise if Team Spirit can actually win over Aster. Their draft was always on point, and their performance is always consistent and discipline, especially Yatoro, his last play with Terrorblade is quite amazing.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 10, 2022, 05:20:29 AM

There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

Even though Aster 2-0'd Fnatic they looked a bit shaky on the first game and then quickly crushed the matchup on the second game so I think their next series with Team Spirit might be a toss-up while PSG.LGD has the highest chance of going all the way to the grand finals coming from the upper bracket.

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I knew Team Spirit can win but I have high hopes that Outsider can dominate them on this tournament.

I was expecting Team Outsiders to come out on top during that series but Team Spirit got the better draft on the decider game.

Quote from: Oceat on August 10, 2022, 06:29:17 PM

I'm surprised how the prize drop though I guess there's a problem with Dota2 players or is that players don't like to play Dota2 anymore. Well, the only thing that pumped the price was when there's a battle pass and it might change in the coming dates. Who knows?

That's because the DPC Regional Tours got around $100k to $200k prize pool per division so it's understandable that the prizepool for the major wasn't that big and it means better financial distribution for the participating teams.

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I'm surprised how the prize drop though I guess there's a problem with Dota2 players or is that players don't like to play Dota2 anymore. Well, the only thing that pumped the price was when there's a battle pass and it might change in the coming dates. Who knows?

It seems like there's a lot of changes in players that seems so odd though problems like this do happen all the time even in the past. That's just sad for the team Fnatic who didn't pass cause of the visa problem maybe there's a lot of changes in the past that's why there members didn't make it.

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There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

You cant really say that SEA is still inferior.. Try to look on Boom esports which had able to defeat a strong team Liquid although this one isnt the former one but still they do able to pull it off.

It is really a surprise to see Boom esports defeating Liquid. It is not that they are only strong but they have shown discipline in their game which is very uncharacteristic of a team coming from SEA. I believe SEA teams are also adopting and starting to show domination. Maybe in a few years, if they continue to develop, SEA will not be the weakest region in DOTA.

EG is still inconsistent. They are very strong in game 1 and then were out drafted in game 2. And they are being out drafted again in game 3. Hope they can dominate the laning phase otherwise this series will go to Entity.

And yes, it do ends up on 1-2 and Entity win and push through next game.. rtz alche and abed's puck didnt able to do something on game 3. Saberlights beastmaster is indeed a beast.

You would definitely freak out if other teams 2 offlaners would pass on you. LOL! Game 3 was too easy for entity or simply doesnt really need soo much effort. Seems like EG gameplay
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but still they could make themselves try out for TI qualifiers but it would really be hard.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on August 10, 2022, 04:56:09 PM

I am watching Entity and EG. It seems that EG is going to be out, it's the 3rd game (1-1) and currently the game is 25 minutes long already but the score is 6-16 in favor of Entity.
Watching EG being destroyed like this is not new anymore and Arthur's Alchemist isn't that fat at all. They're struggling and Entity is doing it right.
And I think the game is about to end so, it's likely Entity is going to move to the next round on the losers bracket unless EG flips the table.

Like I said above, they are being outdrafted again just like in game 2. They are now out of the competition and entity is moving forward in the lower bracket. Their next series will be against BOOM esports.

I am now interested to see how Boom will fair against another W europe team. They were able to beat Liquid but Entity is another level. If they can pull off an upset on Entity, I can say SEA teams has definitely improved. They have a day at least to strategies on how to defeat Entity.

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I am watching Entity and EG. It seems that EG is going to be out, it's the 3rd game (1-1) and currently the game is 25 minutes long already but the score is 6-16 in favor of Entity.
Watching EG being destroyed like this is not new anymore and Arthur's Alchemist isn't that fat at all. They're struggling and Entity is doing it right.
And I think the game is about to end so, it's likely Entity is going to move to the next round on the losers bracket unless EG flips the table.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 10, 2022, 05:20:29 AM

There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

I'm already expecting this outcome, although it's hard to discount BOOM for what they've shown against a relatively stronger enemy earlier. They've proven themselves somewhat and has shown the world that a SEA team can be disciplined if they wanted to. However LGD is just the broken team right now. They can just pick whatever they want and make it work. I'm rooting for a SEA-China finals but China-China seems more plausible.

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Quote from: dunfida on August 10, 2022, 04:06:54 PM

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There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

You cant really say that SEA is still inferior.. Try to look on Boom esports which had able to defeat a strong team Liquid although this one isnt the former one but still they do able to pull it off.

It is really a surprise to see Boom esports defeating Liquid. It is not that they are only strong but they have shown discipline in their game which is very uncharacteristic of a team coming from SEA. I believe SEA teams are also adopting and starting to show domination. Maybe in a few years, if they continue to develop, SEA will not be the weakest region in DOTA.

EG is still inconsistent. They are very strong in game 1 and then were out drafted in game 2. And they are being out drafted again in game 3. Hope they can dominate the laning phase otherwise this series will go to Entity.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 10, 2022, 05:20:29 AM

There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

You cant really say that SEA is still inferior.. Try to look on Boom esports which had able to defeat a strong team Liquid although this one isnt the former one but still they do able to pull it off.

I have no doubts with LGD and wont be surprised if they would win this one and its true that Aster is a strong contender specially on HB against LGD.
This is what i do love when there are Chinese teams on tournament.

Current: Entity vs EG 1-1

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Nothing unusual with the result because it was expected that Chinese team will gonna sweep the inferior SEA team while the matches between EEU and WEU team results to 2-1 both matches. I knew Team Spirit can win but I have high hopes that Outsider can dominate them on this tournament.

There’s a high chance that the majors finals will gonna be China vs China since LGD and Aster still didn’t show any weakness and inconsistencies on there games. Team Aster usually choke on the first day of bracket but this time Monet still performing impressive and can be compared with Ame.

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With the team of the Boom and LGD it is already known that the LGD have the higher chance to win the game but still we cannot under estimate the capability on how Yopaj make a space for Jacky. But with this game the picking of the Boom becmes more aggressive they make an early pick with their notes but after that it is now easily country with the LGD they have a large number of Heroes pool.

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With Aster taking the win against Fnatic in the last final upper bracket series, the next lower bracket series is scheduled to start 12 hours from now, with that said any of you guys already have some leans for tomorrow's set of series?

So far i'm only liking Entity @1.8 edging out EG as the odds are close to a 50-50 and the over 2.5 maps on RNG vs Outsiders since they split a map during the groups and the 360 points would give both teams enough points to barely secure an invite.

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This is true, What I don’t understand about LGD is why they always failed to show this consistency during TI which is the most prestigious tournament in Dota2. We know that this is same scenario last year that PSG.LGD dominates most of the major and minor tournaments yet they fall short on the finals to Team Spirit which is not that dominating on that time. We can’t deny that LGD is the most disciplined and focus team yet they still have weakness on closing a victory on finals with 5 rounds.

I think that is the problem for LGD while many European team keep some of their strategy on for TI, LGD just throw all of their strategy and play on the major. The key for Team Spirit winning is Magnus, and they only use the Magnus strategy only on TI, never played before that. That makes the other team need sometime to analyze and try to counter.

My gut says that LGD will not win this Arlington Major, Aster has a high chance to snatch this Major from LGD. Monet has been playing amazingly in this tournament.

Nice observation. I sometimes notice that because they are just playing same strategy on a single tournament especially there draft combination and rotation pattern which is prone to easily counter since they are doing it flawlessly. There greatest weapon always turn to there greatest weakness once the enemy team completely analyze all there cards.

I now realized how Team Spirit and OG denied them on TI finals because they are always showing all there card on the early games of the tournament without leaving extra cards to close the game.

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I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I see PSG.LGD winning another Major. They are just too good when it comes to early and mid game team fights, irrespective of the draft. Team coordination is next level. With OG, Team Secret, Team Spirit etc all not have a great time. It's PSG.LGD that has remained consistent. Aster seems like the only team close to LGD but I doubt they could overcome in a 5 game affair.

We will see. It is different when it is just BO2 or BO3 than Bo5. It is when usually strategies get exposed that sometimes they fail to adjust to the latter games. The only thing is since PSG is at a top bracket and top seed, they may have an advantage in rest versus those teams that are coming from the lower bracket. If I were LGD, I would just throw this tournament since it has no bearing on them for TI and reserve my strategies for the bigger stage in TI11.

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Quote from: Eternad on August 08, 2022, 08:21:47 AM

This is true, What I don’t understand about LGD is why they always failed to show this consistency during TI which is the most prestigious tournament in Dota2. We know that this is same scenario last year that PSG.LGD dominates most of the major and minor tournaments yet they fall short on the finals to Team Spirit which is not that dominating on that time. We can’t deny that LGD is the most disciplined and focus team yet they still have weakness on closing a victory on finals with 5 rounds.

I think that is the problem for LGD while many European team keep some of their strategy on for TI, LGD just throw all of their strategy and play on the major. The key for Team Spirit winning is Magnus, and they only use the Magnus strategy only on TI, never played before that. That makes the other team need sometime to analyze and try to counter.

My gut says that LGD will not win this Arlington Major, Aster has a high chance to snatch this Major from LGD. Monet has been playing amazingly in this tournament.

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Quote from: vennali on August 08, 2022, 07:00:26 AM

Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I see PSG.LGD winning another Major. They are just too good when it comes to early and mid game team fights, irrespective of the draft. Team coordination is next level. With OG, Team Secret, Team Spirit etc all not have a great time. It's PSG.LGD that has remained consistent. Aster seems like the only team close to LGD but I doubt they could overcome in a 5 game affair.

This is true, What I don’t understand about LGD is why they always failed to show this consistency during TI which is the most prestigious tournament in Dota2. We know that this is same scenario last year that PSG.LGD dominates most of the major and minor tournaments yet they fall short on the finals to Team Spirit which is not that dominating on that time. We can’t deny that LGD is the most disciplined and focus team yet they still have weakness on closing a victory on finals with 5 rounds.

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I see PSG.LGD winning another Major. They are just too good when it comes to early and mid game team fights, irrespective of the draft. Team coordination is next level. With OG, Team Secret, Team Spirit etc all not have a great time. It's PSG.LGD that has remained consistent. Aster seems like the only team close to LGD but I doubt they could overcome in a 5 game affair.

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

It's a good show when you see Monet on early game manning up against pesky offlane heroes like Viper and Mars. He's one of those carries that are extremely aggressive in the early stages of the game while still being efficient on farm. Ame is just extremely efficient, and would otherwise choose to just hit the creeps instead of joining teamfights in early to mid game. Boboka is also a great support that helps Aster be mobile across the map. This team has what it takes to be on the top, but sadly they are highly inconsistent and, at times, do not really step their game up when they needed to.

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I agree, Monet is one of the chinese carry player that can rival Ame in terms of the qualities that you mention above but he is not that consistent because I watch him many times choke when he was on VG together with Ori. Monet might performing impressive on this tournament but he is not that consistent most of the time unlike Ame which is the true carry. Team Aster might beat LGD on playoffs if they will continue to perform like what they did on bracket but I have faith they always choke on playoffs. Cheesy

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

Looking at how both team on top of each their group, there is a huge possibility that they will meet on the final, but I think some team like Entity, and OG are still saving their strategy for final, it's not rare that OG has gone a rough in group stage but end up reaching the final stage. There are also good dark horse, like Boom that has been playing quite well, and surprising Fnatic that has been playing with 3 stand in.

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I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

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All Chinese team is on the top spot in both group stage. And I was surprised that Fnatic still managed to have a high standing and probably securing upper bracket on playoffs depsite of the devastating visa problem that hits all there core members. TSM members on Majors including Saberlight on Entity is doing well on this tournamen. The result is beyond my expectation to be honest. Cheesy

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To be honest, north America was never the brightest in Dota 2, even recently some people said that they are below SEA in term of competitiveness. However, EG previously was still able to compete with EU and CIS team, but after Sumail left, seems like EG never find their best roster composition. They can't even dominate NA anymore, and definitely after losing two games in a row their chance of going to the play-off is very small.

I expect major changes in their roster if they failed to qualify in TI. Although I believe they still can participate in TI. But I also want EG to try something different next season like getting rid of Bulba and Fly and then look for replacements.

SEA always has 3 slots in the majors while NA only has 2. That says it all. But well, at least North America had 1 championship in TI, unlike the other regions. And NA is becoming more competitive again.

Agree to this, EG hero pool is very small that’s why they can be easily out drafted by there enemy even if they have the best players in there roster. I don’t think player is there problem because they are very strong individually and they already proved what there strength on previous tournaments. I think they failed to use properly all the meta and patches that’s why they are having a hard time now to compete on other team like EU and CN which is known for the best region on studying new patches.

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Quote from: icalical on August 05, 2022, 07:39:28 AM

To be honest, north America was never the brightest in Dota 2, even recently some people said that they are below SEA in term of competitiveness. However, EG previously was still able to compete with EU and CIS team, but after Sumail left, seems like EG never find their best roster composition. They can't even dominate NA anymore, and definitely after losing two games in a row their chance of going to the play-off is very small.

I expect major changes in their roster if they failed to qualify in TI. Although I believe they still can participate in TI. But I also want EG to try something different next season like getting rid of Bulba and Fly and then look for replacements.

SEA always has 3 slots in the majors while NA only has 2. That says it all. But well, at least North America had 1 championship in TI, unlike the other regions. And NA is becoming more competitive again.

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At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

Theres something wrong with the game play of the EG right now at the first check I thought someone is missing to their team due to an issue but no they are complete and those play style is like they are giving the game to the enemy because they are saving a strategy to the TI and some of them don't want to play and show their drafts because it is already waiting after this major is the most prestigious event which is the The International 11 tons of players will make another bet and the Battle pass event of course.

To be honest, north America was never the brightest in Dota 2, even recently some people said that they are below SEA in term of competitiveness. However, EG previously was still able to compete with EU and CIS team, but after Sumail left, seems like EG never find their best roster composition. They can't even dominate NA anymore, and definitely after losing two games in a row their chance of going to the play-off is very small.

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Quote from: boltz on August 05, 2022, 05:35:21 AM

At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

Cr1t is still a great support and RTZ is still a good carry. The thing that makes EG crumble is how their decision making as a team works. Most of the time you'll see Cr1t doing solo plays while his team are taking fights on the other side of the map. They couldn't get that chemistry and team work together even though they played together for years. They seriously need to change their leadership otherwise they'll never make it to big tournaments in the future.

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Quote from: boltz on August 05, 2022, 05:35:21 AM

At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

Theres something wrong with the game play of the EG right now at the first check I thought someone is missing to their team due to an issue but no they are complete and those play style is like they are giving the game to the enemy because they are saving a strategy to the TI and some of them don't want to play and show their drafts because it is already waiting after this major is the most prestigious event which is the The International 11 tons of players will make another bet and the Battle pass event of course.

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At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

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I will start my prediction with Liquid, Otsd, LGD and as Match winner.

This parlay will be perfect if RNG didn’t get 1 game against Outsider. Teams with stand-in surprisingly manage to show a good performance even against top tier teams. Most of the teams on NA & SA are the ones messing around on this major tournament as expected since they are the weakest region.

I never thought TSMxFnatic team up will result to a good team. They are playing like they are not a newly form team. Do you think they can keep up after the group stage?

Yeah, It’s so good that I didn’t do parlay and bet ML on each matches so I’m still in profit despite Otsd draw. I was surprised how these teams work properly on crucial time like this as if they are already playing for a long time. I jot down already my mistake by underestimating these teams.

The only reason why Fnatic still working is because Jabs and DJ are very versatile players. They can follow what the TSM moves and adjust based on there gameplay. This will not work if the pos3 and pos4 are not in sync on the rest of the team. They really done a great job.

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I will start my prediction with Liquid, Otsd, LGD and as Match winner.

This parlay will be perfect if RNG didn’t get 1 game against Outsider. Teams with stand-in surprisingly manage to show a good performance even against top tier teams. Most of the teams on NA & SA are the ones messing around on this major tournament as expected since they are the weakest region.

I never thought TSMxFnatic team up will result to a good team. They are playing like they are not a newly form team. Do you think they can keep up after the group stage?

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Against the background of problems for many players with visas, which is natural in the current situation, it may be worth paying attention to the teams from China who for the first time had the opportunity to perform at the PGL Arlington Major 2022.

I also think that the chinese Teams are the big favorites to win this major. A week ago or so the Riyadh masters where happening which was not a major but a invitational tournament with a 4 Million $ price pool and there the chinese teams PSG.LGD and RNG have competed against the other regions again after a few months of being limited to compete against teams of their own region and PSG.LGD won that tournament, which is a clear sign of strength and a big statement in my opinion.
PSG.LGD is already qualified for the TI though and the price money in this major is not that high so maybe they don't go all in already because they want to save some tricks for TI, so other teams like OG could also have a chance to win this one.

Actually, PSG LGD is the only chinese team right now which perform impressive amone all the chinese team. RNG is playing without there original carry so them might experience what happened to Liquid on Riyadh Master when Ana stand-in for Matu. I’m not disrespecting Ana skills but he is not capable to fight against top carry at present because he missed a lot of Dota2 action during his break period.

Good thing LGD is the best among all teams in any region.

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 03, 2022, 01:08:03 PM

Against the background of problems for many players with visas, which is natural in the current situation, it may be worth paying attention to the teams from China who for the first time had the opportunity to perform at the PGL Arlington Major 2022.

I also think that the chinese Teams are the big favorites to win this major. A week ago or so the Riyadh masters where happening which was not a major but a invitational tournament with a 4 Million $ price pool and there the chinese teams PSG.LGD and RNG have competed against the other regions again after a few months of being limited to compete against teams of their own region and PSG.LGD won that tournament, which is a clear sign of strength and a big statement in my opinion.
PSG.LGD is already qualified for the TI though and the price money in this major is not that high so maybe they don't go all in already because they want to save some tricks for TI, so other teams like OG could also have a chance to win this one.

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It's very good to parlay those first 4 matches because all them is very strong except for RNG and Fnatic which both has stand-in team from other teams. I exclude OG because CEB is part of the OG organization so they do have chemistry even though they are not playing most of the time in tournaments.

I will start my prediction with Liquid, Otsd, LGD and as Match winner.

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Quote from: Eternad on August 04, 2022, 01:45:36 AM

Fnatic finally get the players that will complete there roster for the Arlington Major event. Timado, Bryle and Dubu will substitute to all the Fnatic missing players. There reportedly playing together in the pub few weeks ago and now Fnatic already release there official line-up on there facebook page post. Without Saberlight, This team is very solid in my opinion.

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It will probably still hard for Fnatic to perform properly tho, DuBu is the only player who has played with SEA team, Timado and Bryle definitely need sometimes to adjust and adapt with how Jabz and DJ play. From what I saw on TSM, they play quite traditional DOTA while SunBhie and Jabz like to do some unorthodox experiment, I don't think Fnatic has a chance to go to the play-off stage.

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It's time for EG to show up guys , don't you think ? It's been way too long since this team won something or even had a decent run in a major and Arlington might be just that place. They have their first game today against Aster and I don't know and I cannot understand how Team Aster are being favorites in this one as I saw their last game in DPC China and they could lose anytime but they could also win anytime and I don't like double edge teams.

EG / TUNDRA and Fnatic taking 1 map sound so good as a bet.

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Fnatic finally get the players that will complete there roster for the Arlington Major event. Timado, Bryle and Dubu will substitute to all the Fnatic missing players. There reportedly playing together in the pub few weeks ago and now Fnatic already release there official line-up on there facebook page post. Without Saberlight, This team is very solid in my opinion.

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Against the background of problems for many players with visas, which is natural in the current situation, it may be worth paying attention to the teams from China who for the first time had the opportunity to perform at the PGL Arlington Major 2022.

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Quote from: yazher on August 02, 2022, 08:56:51 AM

I always watch this competition back in the days when I was in college and the competition is so intense that we spectators are watching it in groups and shouted when our favorite players doing their imba moves to avoid the attack or to turn the game. I miss those days and my favorite player was Dendi of Natus Vincere.

Those imba terms is so nostalgic and probably you are describing the Dota2 games way back 2011 to 2015 when Dendi is most active and on prime. He is the best player in his time especially when he is using his signature hero pudge. Dota2 still didn’t change, it’s same hype and intense on most tournaments but the casting nowadays is different compared before because the current is already professional while before was freestyle which is more entertaining than today.

Why not watch again the current Dota2 and experience the new level of intense players. Dota2 already have 9 item slot which the 3 is just a back up so there’s a lot of items a hero can carry and change depending on the situation. This is what makes Dota2 now more intense than before.

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Quote from: icalical on August 02, 2022, 06:46:17 AM

For the SEA teams, Fnatic should be one of the SEA best hope but with this visa issue I am rooting for Talon to bring something good from SEA.

that would be hard to do when you are playing with 3 stand-ins. But it is good that they still choose to play even with most of their teammates having visa issues. Unlike Extreme gaming which already withdrawn from the tournament and choose to focus on TI 11 qualifications.

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This is for sure because LGD is a very consistent Chinese team. I have no doubt that OG and Team Liquid will stand out on the upcoming majors but I’m interested to see other dark horse team performance like Outsiders and Team Secret. They are the team that I want to place bet especially when their opponents are strong team like LGD and Team Spirit because they have the skills to give an upset match to whoever opponents that they will fight.

Betting +1.5 on teams like Outsiders will surely give huge profit on this upcoming major. Wink

Team Secret has been very solid in Riyadh Masters, so I am expecting them to play at the same level in Arlington Major. I am not sure if they are playing with IceIceIce now in the major, even so, they are a force to reckon with.

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I think the Organizer or even Valve himself should help or even guarantee the Visa grant to every team, or they shouldn't have any event in the USA.

They should help but still, it is not in their hands if the US does not want to grant visas to certain players.

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Quote from: icalical on August 02, 2022, 06:46:17 AM

For the predicition, looking at how solid LGD performance on the latest Riyadh Master, I think they will still dominate this one, other team might be getting better like Liquid and OG, more than that I hope some other team like RNG and Outsiders could give something surprising in this tournament. For the SEA teams, Fnatic should be one of the SEA best hope but with this visa issue I am rooting for Talon to bring something good from SEA.

This is for sure because LGD is a very consistent Chinese team. I have no doubt that OG and Team Liquid will stand out on the upcoming majors but I’m interested to see other dark horse team performance like Outsiders and Team Secret. They are the team that I want to place bet especially when their opponents are strong team like LGD and Team Spirit because they have the skills to give an upset match to whoever opponents that they will fight.

Betting +1.5 on teams like Outsiders will surely give huge profit on this upcoming major. Wink

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I always watch this competition back in the days when I was in college and the competition is so intense that we spectators are watching it in groups and shouted when our favorite players doing their imba moves to avoid the attack or to turn the game. I miss those days and my favorite player was Dendi of Natus Vincere.

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This is not the first time several dota player (and probably other games athlete) can't get Visa to the U.S, and this visa issues seems happens a lot to team from SEA region. This is definitely has handicapped the Team. I think the Organizer or even Valve himself should help or even guarantee the Visa grant to every team, or they shouldn't have any event in the USA.

For the predicition, looking at how solid LGD performance on the latest Riyadh Master, I think they will still dominate this one, other team might be getting better like Liquid and OG, more than that I hope some other team like RNG and Outsiders could give something surprising in this tournament. For the SEA teams, Fnatic should be one of the SEA best hope but with this visa issue I am rooting for Talon to bring something good from SEA.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 02, 2022, 05:45:57 AM

Last 2 days to go for the start of Arlington Major guys. It’s confirmed that Ana will stand-in again on RNG since there pos1 Ghost failed to acquire Visa. Ceb and Ana will be playing once again on this major and probably will fight to each other. Many teams will play with incomplete line-up due to the Visa issue on US.

I will update the table for the stand-in status once the roster is finalized on all teams.

I think Ana will be good this time because he still willing to play despite the very bad result on his stand in for team liquid. He usually quit if he didn’t want to play anymore like what he did on OG last time. He might be practicing hard right now just to master the current meta and to match the current strong pos1 player from different team. RNG will be the perfect team for him because they have already experienced fighting to each other since RNG roster is composed by old LGD member. Ana probably know how to work with this team.

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Last 2 days to go for the start of Arlington Major guys. It’s confirmed that Ana will stand-in again on RNG since there pos1 Ghost failed to acquire Visa. Ceb and Ana will be playing once again on this major and probably will fight to each other. Many teams will play with incomplete line-up due to the Visa issue on US.

I will update the table for the stand-in status once the roster is finalized on all teams.

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Quote from: jakelyson on July 31, 2022, 08:22:33 AM

I wonder if this is Ceb's response to TorontoTokyo when interviewed in Riyadh. Toronto said he wanted OG to win in the semis because he believe OG is weaker and LGD is harder to beat.

Ceb is back to show Toronto that OG is strong.

Far fetched but you know how attached is Ceb to OG. He wanted to defend them as much as possible.

Actually Torontotokyo is just stating the facts on that interview because LGD is really much tough opponent than OG that time but this will be different on Majors because OG has different game mode when they are competing to this tournament. Majors has best of 5 on finals that is very favorable to OG if they secure the finals spot. Ceb is known for being salty on chats but he never take seriously any TT on interview. I think Misha just missed the Visa application this time.

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I beg to differ. Tundra's style of play does not match the aggression of PSG.LGD in mid game. As for Liquid, they do have a funky way of handling mid game to enable their cores before they make moves, while PSG.LGD is just constantly throwing them anything that they have to make them respond to those. The team who doesn't respond to the aggression of PSG.LGD wins the game, that's what I noticed.

Tundra is different on Riyadh because they don't have 33 on there roster which typically the play maker and making the setup for Tundra. The substitue player Daxak is not yet synchronized to Tundra that’s why they can’t have the same aggression when 33 is the iniator. I believe on full potential of Tundra as whole team because they can give space for Skitter if they have a good laning phase.

LGD is weak on best of 5 games because they have same game pattern and once you counter them, They don't have anything to do against it.

You could say that, but even with 33, Tundra is still, most of the times, hesitant to engage PSG.LGD's aggression even though they can get away of those engagements. They normally would be explosive when faced with chill opponents since they capitalize on the stagnant map to take the resources for themselves. But when faced with an even more aggressive team, they just play it slow and change their tempo.

Also, you're spot on with LGD's observation. They normally have a 2-3 strat planned for BO5 games that they usually unleash on rounds leading to the final bracket. OG and Kuroky's Team Liquid back then noticed this and capitalized mostly on using extremely out of meta heroes against LGD's line up.

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Do you think Ceb will play again for OG on this majors?

Your question is already answered. Ceb is once again will go to Arlington Majors with the boys after Misha failed to secure his visa. I dunno how you expect this to happened but I’m surprised OG will be reckless to secured Msha visa for this this kind of tournament, Not once but twice.

I know Ceb will be better to replace Misha but I’m concern if this line-up will work again while chinese team is already in the table.

https://afkgaming.com/dota2/news/ceb-returns-to-og-for-the-pgl-arlington-major-2022

Lol. I’m just trolling when I post such question in the thread above. I never thought that Misha will encounter same issue to a same major tournament. Is it just a coincidence or they are doing it on purpose just to give Ceb play time. Cheesy

Ceb mindset is what makes OG strong in tournament like this, We witness already how good Ceb when they are under pressure or in the brink of losing. I think he is very good on commanding this young talents.

Quote from: crwth on July 30, 2022, 09:07:25 AM

I remember that in Stockholm Majors, OG has claimed victory this 2022 but only 3rd on the Riyadh Masters. So I'm betting that OG would still be in the top 3 of this tournament.

I think Ceb will still play in this tournament. Is there any news about it, though?

Yes he will play, check above post link for the news.

I wonder if this is Ceb's response to TorontoTokyo when interviewed in Riyadh. Toronto said he wanted OG to win in the semis because he believe OG is weaker and LGD is harder to beat.

Ceb is back to show Toronto that OG is strong.

Far fetched but you know how attached is Ceb to OG. He wanted to defend them as much as possible.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on July 30, 2022, 08:39:55 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on July 27, 2022, 05:56:57 AM

Do you think Ceb will play again for OG on this majors?

Your question is already answered. Ceb is once again will go to Arlington Majors with the boys after Misha failed to secure his visa. I dunno how you expect this to happened but I’m surprised OG will be reckless to secured Msha visa for this this kind of tournament, Not once but twice.

I know Ceb will be better to replace Misha but I’m concern if this line-up will work again while chinese team is already in the table.

https://afkgaming.com/dota2/news/ceb-returns-to-og-for-the-pgl-arlington-major-2022

Lol. I’m just trolling when I post such question in the thread above. I never thought that Misha will encounter same issue to a same major tournament. Is it just a coincidence or they are doing it on purpose just to give Ceb play time. Cheesy

Ceb mindset is what makes OG strong in tournament like this, We witness already how good Ceb when they are under pressure or in the brink of losing. I think he is very good on commanding this young talents.

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I remember that in Stockholm Majors, OG has claimed victory this 2022 but only 3rd on the Riyadh Masters. So I'm betting that OG would still be in the top 3 of this tournament.

I think Ceb will still play in this tournament. Is there any news about it, though?

Yes he will play, check above post link for the news.

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I remember that in Stockholm Majors, OG has claimed victory this 2022 but only 3rd on the Riyadh Masters. So I'm betting that OG would still be in the top 3 of this tournament.

I think Ceb will still play in this tournament. Is there any news about it, though?

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 27, 2022, 05:56:57 AM

Do you think Ceb will play again for OG on this majors?

Your question is already answered. Ceb is once again will go to Arlington Majors with the boys after Misha failed to secure his visa. I dunno how you expect this to happened but I’m surprised OG will be reckless to secured Msha visa for this this kind of tournament, Not once but twice.

I know Ceb will be better to replace Misha but I’m concern if this line-up will work again while chinese team is already in the table.

https://afkgaming.com/dota2/news/ceb-returns-to-og-for-the-pgl-arlington-major-2022

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 28, 2022, 01:37:52 AM

I beg to differ. Tundra's style of play does not match the aggression of PSG.LGD in mid game. As for Liquid, they do have a funky way of handling mid game to enable their cores before they make moves, while PSG.LGD is just constantly throwing them anything that they have to make them respond to those. The team who doesn't respond to the aggression of PSG.LGD wins the game, that's what I noticed.

Tundra is different on Riyadh because they don't have 33 on there roster which typically the play maker and making the setup for Tundra. The substitue player Daxak is not yet synchronized to Tundra that’s why they can’t have the same aggression when 33 is the iniator. I believe on full potential of Tundra as whole team because they can give space for Skitter if they have a good laning phase.

LGD is weak on best of 5 games because they have same game pattern and once you counter them, They don't have anything to do against it.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 28, 2022, 02:22:56 AM

Theres alot of teams cannot make a good fight with this upcoming major because of due to visa issue with the boom e-sports already two of them can go and fix their visa and the other team most of them cannot make it, with this Match up I guess the top 4 teams again in the final match is between the Team Spirit, OG, Liquid and LGD we know how these teams have a good initiation and makes a good rotation, Im a fan with the EG but still if there's bulba and R2R still they cannot make it back as one of the Major Champions.

Even with complete Boom will have a hard time on competing top teams on different region. Team Spirit is not the top team on there region so I don’t think forgetting about Navi and Outsider is a good idea to predict finals outcome. Quincy Crew is another team to look out on this major because they improved a lot since there last year performance.

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Theres alot of teams cannot make a good fight with this upcoming major because of due to visa issue with the boom e-sports already two of them can go and fix their visa and the other team most of them cannot make it, with this Match up I guess the top 4 teams again in the final match is between the Team Spirit, OG, Liquid and LGD we know how these teams have a good initiation and makes a good rotation, Im a fan with the EG but still if there's bulba and R2R still they cannot make it back as one of the Major Champions.

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I'm rooting for Outsiders to at least secure a better position for this particular tournament. Gpk showed us that he still got it, although there are times that his mid lane's lack of rotations around the map can hinder him from being enabled. He's not a typical lane dominator, nor is he an aggressive carry that can work hand in hand with his support to farm for kills, but his ability to find farm even though the map is already closed in against his team is what's really impressive for me. Well, DM is great in creating space, there's that, but still.

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I am expecting those who needs DPC points to step up. Maybe team Spirit can win this tournament this time. They lost to LGD in Riyadh, maybe they want to make a comeback here.

Team Spirit just finished 3rd place on the list DPC Tounament in EEU while most of the teams in WEU is not completed on Riyadh Master tournament. Most of the powerhouse team in every region didn't enter on Riyadh Master while LGD and Team Spirit has a complete line-up that's why they manage to be on the finals/ I believe a different story will happened on Majors because there's a lot at stake in there because of the DPC points which is crucial for TI.

Team Secret isn't also complete on their lineup. They have Resolution as a stand-in but they still did well, even going so far as being undefeated for a time being before they slipped away from that footing.

Quote from: dimonstration on July 27, 2022, 09:39:23 PM

Complete Tundra and Liquid are the best team in the league that can rival LGD. LGD got beaten badly by Team Secret on Riyadh so they are not unbeatable if they fight the right team that has a consistent play. Team Spirit is out of gas after they manage to beat Team Secret on a close fight. The finals on Riyadh should be best of 5 so that team can have a chance to recover on an early deficits. LGD and other teams that secured TI might not give 100% here since the DPC points is the highlights of the rewards for this Major. Westill have 1 week of waiting.

I beg to differ. Tundra's style of play does not match the aggression of PSG.LGD in mid game. As for Liquid, they do have a funky way of handling mid game to enable their cores before they make moves, while PSG.LGD is just constantly throwing them anything that they have to make them respond to those. The team who doesn't respond to the aggression of PSG.LGD wins the game, that's what I noticed.

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Although I agree on most of your speculation but I still believe on Team Liquid and Outsider will show an impressive run on this Majors not just because they win the top spot with there respctive DPC region but because there DPC points is still a bit short to qualified winning this majors or having a top spot will give them enough points to secured spot on TI.

This is enough motivation to win this major compared to OG, LGD and other top teams that already secured TI spot and also the prize pool here is not much huge.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 27, 2022, 09:39:23 PM

Complete Tundra and Liquid are the best team in the league that can rival LGD. LGD got beaten badly by Team Secret on Riyadh so they are not unbeatable if they fight the right team that has a consistent play. Team Spirit is out of gas after they manage to beat Team Secret on a close fight. The finals on Riyadh should be best of 5 so that team can have a chance to recover on an early deficits. LGD and other teams that secured TI might not give 100% here since the DPC points is the highlights of the rewards for this Major. Westill have 1 week of waiting.

PSG. LGD won the Riyadh tournament with relative ease. They looked like a complete team that could beat anyone in their best of forms. Just beautiful dota to watch and they werent trying to go through some broken strats as some teams like to use to win games. They should be the favs again. They did lose 2-0 to Team Secret and they did drop a game vs OG and Nigma Galaxy but still I never had a doubt that they'd end up losing in the decider. They are a level above everyone else at the moment. you could say that they probably don't need DPC points but money/Prizepool is enough of a motivation to do well in the tournament. It is a tier 1 Tournament.

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Complete Tundra and Liquid are the best team in the league that can rival LGD. LGD got beaten badly by Team Secret on Riyadh so they are not unbeatable if they fight the right team that has a consistent play. Team Spirit is out of gas after they manage to beat Team Secret on a close fight. The finals on Riyadh should be best of 5 so that team can have a chance to recover on an early deficits. LGD and other teams that secured TI might not give 100% here since the DPC points is the highlights of the rewards for this Major. Westill have 1 week of waiting.

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Quote from: jakelyson on July 27, 2022, 09:53:57 AM

I am expecting those who needs DPC points to step up. Maybe team Spirit can win this tournament this time. They lost to LGD in Riyadh, maybe they want to make a comeback here.

Team Spirit just finished 3rd place on the list DPC Tounament in EEU while most of the teams in WEU is not completed on Riyadh Master tournament. Most of the powerhouse team in every region didn't enter on Riyadh Master while LGD and Team Spirit has a complete line-up that's why they manage to be on the finals/ I believe a different story will happened on Majors because there's a lot at stake in there because of the DPC points which is crucial for TI.

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Too bad for FNATIC. It is already too hard to win in this tournament with a complete lineup. what more with 3 stand ins. I am considering them out of this tournament.

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Do you think Ceb will play again for OG on this majors?

I love to see him play again but isn't he already retired? And I think OG young players need more exposure going to TI.

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Who do you think will win on this majors again?

I am expecting those who needs DPC points to step up. Maybe team Spirit can win this tournament this time. They lost to LGD in Riyadh, maybe they want to make a comeback here.

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What the hell happened to Fnatic. They have enough time to take care of there Visa and yet they let this happened to them while they need this DPC points badly for there TI ticket. This is very careless of there manager because he assume that they can get the visa easily without any research. This is very sad to see miss this big opportunity to get DPC points. I think they will get substitute from PH players that didn’t have a chance to go on this major like players of T1.

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League Information

Series: Dota Pro Circuit Dota Pro Circuit
Organizer: PGL
Type: Offline
Location: United States Arlington
Venue: Esports Stadium Arlington
Format: Round-robin group stage
Double-elimination playoffs
Prize pool: $500,000 USD
Start Date: 2022-08-04
End Date: 2022-08-14
Teams: 17
Pro Circuit Points: 4,570
Liquipedia tier: Tier 1
Pro Circuit Tier: Major Premier Tournament held by Valve

Prize Pool

Participants

Note:
1 Fnatic will be allowed to participate with three substitutes as the main roster encountered difficulties obtaining US visas.
2 Xtreme Gaming withdrew from the tournament.
3 Pure is unable to attend the major, SabeRLight- will stand-in.
4 Q is unable to attend the major, Xepher will stand-in.[13]
5 DarkMago is unable to attend the major, Alone will stand-in.
6 Valqui is unable to attend the major, Accel will stand-in.
7 Ghost is unable to attend the major, ana will stand-in.
8 Misha and Chuvash are unable to attend the major, Ceb will stand-in.
9 Quincy Crew is signed by Soniqs.

Most of the teams here is on complete roster except Fnatic which has 3 players is not available due to Visa issue as stated on the note. I wonder if PSG LGD can still dominate this league while there's a lot of new strong teams that is now available to compete with them.

Do you think Ceb will play again for OG on this majors?

Who do you think will win on this majors again?

Source: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/PGL/Arlington_Major/2022

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