Topic: Double Unification Fights: Shields vs Marshall / Mayer vs Baumgardner (Read 325 times)

Either Marshall started late or it took her 4 rounds before figuring out Shields. It's safe to say that both fighters faced the toughest fight of their careers.

Absolutely not a robbery. Mayer was just upset about her defeat and a little bitter because there was bad blood between her and Baumgardner. She thought she won and many of us thought it was a close fight that could go either way until we saw the unbiased punch stats which favored Baumgardner too.

I already forgot but I think Baumgardner hugged Mayer and thanked her after the decision was announced. Mayer responded but her face and mind were still shocked by the result.

I hope Choi accepts the challenge in order to determine an undisputed champ in their division. It's not a bad offer since Baumgardner has 3 belts and the Ring while Choi has only 1 belt.

Oh ok, and I also read that Claressa just because she wanted to really bring the women's boxing in top, she is willing to get a rematch as long as it will be in the US and I think it's fair for her and Marshall as well.

At least she is the one going to travel to hostile territory and see how she will react to the fans.

Not sure about the case of Baumgardner, she is not open to any rematch to Mayer.

The match is not that close but it's not really one-sided to think that a rematch will give us the same results, Marshall can go back and see what went wrong and try to figure out how to beat Shields in their rematch, Claressa is very open about the rematch in fact,
But there is one condition for Claressa to grant Marchall a rematch
I think this is reasonable, Claressa comes to her turf to fight her, so she and her team should return the favor, maybe things will be different next time.

And it seems that Marshall has accepted her defeat graciously as even in the post fight interview, she didn't put any words that she won or something.


The articles that has been posted says that she doesn't want to give Mayer a rematch. Perhaps the hatred is really true for this two ladies, and it seems personal with the way they trash talk and their body reaction even after the fight. And I do agree that Choi might be good for her legacy, but money wise, I don't think it will give her that much.

For Shields vs Marshall, there is a rematch clause as per Shields if I'm not mistaken, but it could only be activated if there is a controversial decision or split decision, but the decision of the judges is majority, so there is no rematch for this two ladies.

For Mayer vs Baumgardner, it's different though, not sure if there is a rematch clause, but it's controversial as one judges score it for Mayer. But it seems that Baumgardner doesn't want to give Mayer the rematch as she will chase Choi, which for me will not make her money like in a rematch with Mayer.

And this is what Baumgardner had to say,


https://www.boxingscene.com/baumgardner-i-want-choi-next-what-i-planned-on-what-i-plan--169816

So there is a unification fight in the horizon here, but we will see if Choi is willing to be the next dance partner.

Read a report and Mayer says she was robbed and  Baumgardner Knows That She Lost.


https://www.boxingscene.com/mikaela-mayer-i-genuinely-believe-baumgardner-knows-she-lost--169801

As I have scored it, I favor Baumgardner winning her and I don't think that Mayer was robbed. Of course there are rounds that are very close, but the way I see it, Baumgardner has the edge with her jabs.

I think there is no rematch clause as Baumgardner will fight Hyun-Mi Choi, the WBA champion.

Marshall seems surprised by the resistance, she used to fight low-level fighters when faced with a top-level fighter she cannot react properly, Claressa really knows how to win a fight, bring everything in the early rounds and establish the tempo of the fight, this is what happens when you have not fought a fighter who can offer resistance and this is the first time that Marshall faced tough opposition, Claressa claims that this is her toughest fight, but based on what the boxing world has seen its Marshall facing the toughest fight of her career.

I have here the punch stats in courtesy of CompuBox. I consider power punches are like x2 or x1.5 compared to jabs. We'll see what the scorecards look like based on these unbiased stats.


This fight was considered closer than the other one. Baumgardner only managed to win via a split decision, taking Mayer's WBO and IBF belts and at the same time defending her WBC belt. The punch stats though if we are to score them round by round suggest that this fight is not even close. Mayer only won rounds 4 and 6. So the scorecard would be 98-92 in favor of Baumgardner.


This fight is closer than expected but it's safe to say Shields won. Marshall took rounds 5, 6, 9, and 10. Marshall should've started early as Shields was taking the early rounds quite easily. Scorecard based on the stats is 96-94 in favor of Shields.

Shields has an edge and the fight goes to distance, so it's why Shields is win here. That's why I previously said if the fight end via decision, Shields will win, while if the fight end via knock out, Marshall will win the fight. Although Shields is dominating in the ring, but Marshall have been show in few rounds if she can box well than Shields.

IMO Mayer vs Baumgardner is very closest fight and I think it would be draw, but judges score favor on Baumgardner and he won via split decision.

Here's the three judges on Mayer vs Baumgardner fight:
Steve Gray 96-95   
John Latham 96-95   
Terry O'Connor 93-97

96-95 is make sense, while 93-97 is clearly doesn't make sense. A good thing here the fight isn't get robbed.

I think it was a very close for me, Marshall try to make a rally in the second half, but Shields have been a good enough lead already and she seems to have answered when Marshall is being aggressive. So congrats to those who pick Shields to win and to avenge her lost 10 years ago because it seems to really haunt her but at least she exorcised her demon in this fight and there is no home cook decision.

Anyone expecting a reason for these two fights?

Claressa Shields once again proved that she is the real GWOAT beating Savannah by a lopsided decision 96-94, 97-93, 97-93, it was not even close Shields impose her will against Savannah in the early rounds and she is winning all rounds until the 6th, I don't think this one deserves a rematch it's not even close that even if Shields granted her a rematch, Shields will still win the rematch, Savanah is totally outclassed and she thought that she can knock out Shields.

The Marshall - Fields is now ion going but unfortunately, we cannot get any live fights on social media, there is only live commentary on the fight and so far this is the best live commentary on the fight based on this guy Claressa is leading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nl1l1bk3qo
and here is the live update round by round https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/shields-marshall-live-stream-fight-updates-b2203016.html

The super featherweight is already ongoing between Mikaela Mayer vs Alycia Baumgardner.

I have Baumgardner leading 3 rounds to 1. Baumgardner getting the first 3 but then Mayer coming huge in round 4 so I gave her that round.

Let's see how it goes, the fight is getting intense now for this two.

Edit: I have Baumgardner winning 96-94.

Edit 2: Baumgardner by split decision, scores were 97-93 for Mayer, 96-95 for Baumgardner, and 96-95 for Baumgardner.

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Edit 3:

Claressa Shields vs Savannah Marshall

So far I have Shields up 4-0 in my unofficial scorecard.

Edit 4: I have Shields winning 96-94.

Official scorecard: 96-94, 97-93 and 97-93 for Shields, unanimous decision.

I think the hype for Baumgardner vs Mayer is real now. Yeah, they are both real good female boxers, but at the end of the day, there is only one who is going to win.

And it seems that Baumgardner is very confident, although sometimes in his interview, it looks like she is still looking to achieved something even greater or maybe she feels underachieved because of being the underdog in a fight.

It's worth to wait since this fight is really exciting, it's not like an amateur woman boxer who usually full of boring fight since there's no footwork, exchanging punch, surviving for the last rounds etc etc. This fight will happen today and for anyone who want to bet, don't forget to bet since a rematch is less likely to happen in woman matches.

I just hope at least one of this two fights will end by knock out since it will show if she is really stronger than her opponent and she is deserved to become undisputed champion.

Of course, Savannah keeps reminding Claressa that she beats her in the amateur and she is the first to handle her first-ever boxing loss, and what added to the fuel is when he mocked Claressa in her last fight, calling her a pillow fist, she insulted Claressa that Claressa hates her for disrespecting her and ignoring all her achievements, we are only hours before the fight and both ladies are ready to rock the boxing world, we could never have an exciting woman boxing like this, it's going to live the hype, I was not excited on woman boxing before but this one is hard to miss.

Been waiting to see Mayer and Baumgardner, two good female boxers, but we have had to wait a while longer, not anymore . I hope the fight today will be worth the wait. I think Mayer will be the winner, she must realize that she needs this fight to achieve the goal of becoming the first undisputed champion from her division, and will go all out to try to ensure that Baumgardner who is a very good boxer as well can deny her from her goal and can cause a problem knowing that she is up to the task with the confidence coming from knocking out Terri Harper Last year.

I also noticed that she seems not relaxed and always off guard, she's trying to prove that she's great while making Marshall inferior, she doesn't have to do that she's an accomplished boxer no woman in boxing has achieved what she has achieved, I think she threatens the way Savannah reminds her of her only career loss back in the amateur when it has no impact on this fight, she should compose herself going into the fight, she has all the skill to beat Savannah today is the fight hopefully I can watch this fight to see if it lives up the hype.

Claressa Shields said she felt like she was fighting the judges, the referee and the crowd when she fought Marshall in the amateurs.

I worry about her mental health, she sounds a bit paranoid.

Claressa Shields is the better athlete and more skilled boxer.

But has mental issues and doesn't seem to be surrounded by good people or a good community that would help to keep her centered.

Marshall is the opposite, less skilled and inferior athlete. But has smart and good people around her to keep her from being paranoid or going crazy.

Between Savannah and Marshall, it goes way back since their amateur days and it heightens when Savannah becomes a world champion too, honesty both ladies can be considered a candidate to be the GWOAT after this fight, she is the last woman standing in the woman boxing I don't see any new face that can challenge between the two it really goes up between the two,

Like Peter Fury once said all the other women in boxing are on shitloads only these two women stand up as the real deal in women's boxing, hopefully, I can watch this historical fight as it unfolds who is really the greatest.

I know you gotta like it, hehehe.

Yes, the trash talking though, I don't know, but if we see those ladies trash talking like that, it seems to be very different. You can sense the animosity between these women. They really don't like each other and it make this fight a must watch for us boxing fans.

For sure, I also wanted to see a vicious knock out in this 2 fights.

Nice. Thanks for the links mate. The trash-talking and bad-mouthing make this event even more interesting aside from being unification fights. And I really hope they can offer us exciting fights and not boring ones. Shields has the 3 belts and the Ring but she seemed insecure and is so sensitive. She'll probably fight back when a dog bark at her.

What I expected earlier is starting to happen although a little late as the betting odds are now starting to slide slowly in favor of Shields. Shields obviously got the upper hand due to her vast experiences at the amateur and at the pro level. The same with Mayer but I think Baumgarder is too underestimated here. I am not missing these fights and I do hope Marshall and Baumgardner knock out their separate foes this weekend.

There's never been a time that a woman's title fight is this exciting, there are so many thrash talks between the two, both are champions, and both are title holders I consider Shields to be the favorite in the fight, Savannah beating him in the amateur has no bearing on this fight, its a new ball game for this game, whoever wins will be considered the real GWOAT, they say to be the man you have to beat the man, in this case, its a woman.

Just another update on this huge women's unification fight,

The official full press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnbGRtmvWM

and again, these ladies are not shy about bad mouthing and talking trash to each other. And so the build up is still continuing. I suggest boxing fans watch this fight.

Same with Mayer & Baumgardner.

Face-off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OL5h5efwBU

This fight already close, but I don't find any other bet option except Moneyline, if there's an option it's better to bet Shields via decision or Marshall via KO. It's hard to guess which one will win here, Shields is a brave challenger who chasing one by one belt from the champion until she get 5 belts except the WBO belt. I think I would bet Marshall here since KO is more likely to happen than decision.

Mayer vs Baumgardner, Baumgardner is a KO specialist too but her recent result aren't KO streak so it mean her power might not enough for tough boxer. I think Mayer will win, but I wouldn't bet since the odds is quite small.

So this doubleheader finally takes place this weekend. We have a lot of great fights this weekend. We have the rematch for the undisputed belts between Devin Haney and George Kambosos, the return of Deontay Wilder against Robert Helenius, and this double unification fight between the hottest women in boxing. I honestly prefer this event since these are the more intriguing fights; 4 champions and 3 of them are undefeated and all of them are in bad blood with each other.

To those interested in this event. Here is the trailer: https://boxing-videos.com/shields-vs-marshall-mayer-vs-baumgardner-official-trailer-biggest-womens-boxing-event-is-back.

Claressa may be thrash talking but it was Savannah who started it all by disrespecting to what Claressa has achieved and because of that hell broke lose, Claressa for the first time in his career will put his reputation to the test all their fights against the other boxers are rubbish and useless they are two fighters who are considered the top woman boxers and whoever wins here takes everything, if the fight ended in decision and close, there could be a rematch, let's see how this fight goes, but we have to wait for a month to see this happen.

Until now I am still surprised that Marshall remained a slight favorite over Shields. But I'm not taking advantage of the odds since I am a bit annoyed with Shields' trash-talking so I want Marshall to knock her out. I just see Shields as my odds favorite because she's a 2 time Olympic gold medalist. Although Shields' lost to Marshall before in the amateurs, she might be stronger, faster, and more technical this time. We will see if Marshall's high KO ratio can change the tempo of this fight.


The other unification between these 2 pretty and sexy ladies, Mayer and Baumgardner have a more exciting build-up as both continued their verbal assaults on each other, unlike Marshall who's a silent type of person.


This is the latest after their fight was moved to October next month. I think the changing of schedule will benefit Baumgardner a bit as the taller Mayer will have to spend more time making the weight limit.

This is the first time that we have so much hype on a woman's boxing because they are both champions and they are undefeated and they hate each other all the ingredients for a great fight are all here, I'm just worried about Claressa's knockout percentage compared to Marshall, I like Claressa's attitude but Marshall's knockout power is a big concern, it's 16% for Claressa against 83.33% for Marshall, Claressa must have a granite chin and strong body to withstand those power punches.

Yes, I have posted it here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60905929

Initially they wanted or at least tried for the weigh-in to continue, unfortunately, the BBBoC cancelled every boxing tournament including this fight which have been anticipated because of the bad mouthing and trash talking between this two rivals.

It's unfortunate that this bout is canceled due to the death of his Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth


both parties and the organizer understand the situation, especially the UK as they have to mourn the passing of their Queen, so many are excited and thrilled to see this fight because this is the first time that two women with claims to be the greatest woman boxer of all time are here to fight for it, there are so much thrash talks and disrespect on both camps that I imagine fireworks in the opening bell.

So these fights are happening this weekend. Women's boxing is back. These are all unification fights and all 4 of them are also undefeated so these fights should be better according to papers at least.


The Ring, WBO, and IBF champion Mikaela Mayer finally shook hands with WBC champion Alycia Baumgardner but they actually continued their trash talking after this. I like Alycia, she's fast and she hurt opponents but Mayer's skills and experience in championship fights might be too much especially if the fight reaches the 2nd half.   


The face-off between Ring, WBA, WBC, and IBF champion Claressa Shields and WBO champion Savannah Marshall. Claressa continued her trash talks but Marshall remained cool and silent. It is surprising that Shields is the slight underdog but maybe Marshall's KO rate and being at home are the factors. This seems like a clear Shields fight until Marshall starts to connect with her power punches.

True. Shields is a bit annoying and at the same time funny with her trash talking. She talks a lot but she also gets easily mad. I want Marshall to knock her out. Although this is not an easy mission as the self proclaimed GWOAT got skills.

Mikaela Mayer is a friend of Shields. She ridiculed Baumgardner for missing their first press conference.

I am rooting for the heavy-handed Baumgarder here though.

I'm more excited to see the Shields vs Marshall match it generates huge interest because of the thrash talks that happen between them, and when thrash talks happen between two champions with good records and the same fighting expect it to generate a lot of interest and of course, these are two women with a claim to be the GWOAT, expect a lot to happen before the actual fight.

So I guess hardcore boxing fans have different tastes then. Personally, I hate mismatches. I felt like I am just wasting my time since there's a very slim chance of an upset. It's like tolerating cherry pickers like Tank Davis, Leo Santa Cruz and others instead of fighting the big names and unifying belts. And if I have to pick only one to watch, I prefer this fight rather than watching a past prime GGG. And this is coming from a GGG fan since his Universum days.

I'm a boxing fan almost all my life and if I have to compare myself to the rest I would rather be watching a mismatched boxers fighting to til they drop than watching boxing ladies. Is Top Rank and ESPN just trying too much to market these ladies that they have to make it double unification.

If they just move the dates to the most awaited fights, it will be more exciting. Maybe its just me but they are better fights that we'll rather pay in double to watch like GGG vs Canelo or Crawford vs Spence.

Earlier this year, boxing fans witnessed arguably the biggest fight in women's boxing history, the Taylor-Serrano fight. Thanks to Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing and DAZN. But we are not done yet. Bob Arum's Top Rank and ESPN are set to break women's boxing records. This time, it's a double-header unification event in London, England this September 10.

The Ring, WBA, WBC and IBF undefeated middleweight champion Claressa Shields will unify with the last remaining belt holder in WBO champion, the undefeated Savannah Marshall. Claressa Shields is already a decorated fighter before turning pro. She is a two time gold medalist in the Olympics. While Shields wanted to unify all the belts to make herself an undisputed champion, she also wants to take revenge on Marshall who beat her when they were in the amateurs.

In the other main event of the evening, undefeated The Ring, IBF and WBO super-featherweight champion Mikaela Mayer will try to add another piece of her collections, the WBC belt held by another undefeated champion Alycia Baumgarder. The other remaining champion is WBA holder Hyun Mi Choi of South Korea. The winner between Mayer and Baumgardner might move up in weight and fight the biggest name in women's boxing, the undisputed lightweight champion of Ireland, Katie Taylor.

The difference between this event and Katie Taylor's are the trash talking. We won't be lucking them as both 4 protagonists were already trash talking each other since they became world champions together.