Topic: DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll (Read 324 times)
The forum has signs of decentralization, but the basis of the forum is a centralized engine
Please, keep this shit up.
No it's you shut up. I am not a member of your DT and am not obliged to adhere to your DT-mantrasYou're not in any position to make demands.
I'm just exactly in the position to talk freely, unlike the DT-cowards. So shut up twice. And stop imposing on me the fictional fantasies of your inflamed mind Anyone who promotes your shitcoin is a con artist.
Anyone who promotes BTC is an accomplice in sponsoring pedophilia and terrorismThen I demand of all DT-members to red-tag the satoshi account
If you had even a shred of honesty about you, then you'd acknowledge your only interest in this discussion is about how you and your verminous cohorts are perceived. You've been making several posts lately about people who have left you negative feedback, so it's not difficult to determine your true angle here. It's no surprise you'd want to complain about a reputation system that actively hinders you from gaining influence and ripping off more people with your trashy forkcoin scam.
You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended. Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.
So you admit that your system creates evil? You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended. Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.
I didn't rob anyone on the forum, but they redtagged me. Why on earth should I respect these idiots?
You constantly misrepresent what you're selling to people. Everything you say is based on a lie. Wright is not satoshi and your shitcoin has nothing whatsoever to do with the real satoshi. Every single person who has been defrauded by you and your scummy pals is out of pocket. Every active flag and red tag against you absolutely belongs there. You are a con artist. Anyone who promotes your shitcoin is a con artist.
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Then I demand [snip]
You're not in any position to make demands. You're lucky your account isn't banned. Please, keep this shit up.
Correct me if wrong. But Ratimov did not defend himself? Instead he remained mute about what is going on. Which likely means he does not care about what is going on about what people are discussing about him recently on this forum.
Because any objection to the centralized DT is taken as an act of disobedience and causes even more tags. Everyone sees everything and soon everyone will boycott your DT and will laugh at a bunch of idiots. This process has already begun. And no army of staff's DT-alts will help youDT-system is designed so that every day someone inevitably betrays someone. You all constantly betray each other. What kind of trust can we talk about on the forum? Your DT-system and Loycev's trust-logs will break if at least one day someone does not betray someone
Also, Bitcoin SV is back? How long of a break did we get from his trolling?
Why trolling? I am an honest worker of my signature. And I'm not going to abandon my ship. Unlike all of you, I am not a traitor. I'm probably the most honest person here, but the buggy trust system thinks differently
If you had even a shred of honesty about you, then you'd acknowledge your only interest in this discussion is about how you and your verminous cohorts are perceived. You've been making several posts lately about people who have left you negative feedback, so it's not difficult to determine your true angle here. It's no surprise you'd want to complain about a reputation system that actively hinders you from gaining influence and ripping off more people with your trashy forkcoin scam.
You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended. Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.
So you admit that your DT-system creates evil?You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended. Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.
I didn't rob anyone on the forum, but they redtagged me. What the heck I should respect these idiots? Nobody trusts your system. The main base of the system consists of a pocket DT-army of senior forum employees who form trust lists. There are also good users, but they don’t actually decide anything and are there only to maintain legitimacy of DT (to create the appearance of consensus in DT)
My man, @DooMAD FrIeNdLy FiRe! 😅 in every war there are some friendly fire shots, and if you don't shout friendly fire, you are dead. Nobody here does that, because nobody cares anymore, they just protect who ever touching their shoulders, that's why they consider the rest as hostiles.
You are disrespecting friendlies by your generalization, but I agree about bsv, not to mention he seems just like a good fu**able person.🙃
Now I am willing to bet, any amount you say Ok? Lets ask a LE agency to declare a service illegal, and ask theymos not to intervene, then lets see if anyone from DT would join the ad campaign for that service or not, just to get paid.
I will even play the role of karenprime2, to shout out to them, PeOpLe It'S iLlEgAl StOp It. Lol.
If you haven't noticed yet, the world has lost it's mind, a total scam garbage has 900m market cap, people here are discussing how untrustworthy someone is because they are not distributing stolen money among participants of a sig campaign. If theymos hadn't stepped in, we wouldn't be here talking. So yes authority is needed every where, but why are we allowing people whom are unable to differentiate between right and wrong to act as authorities around here?
You are disrespecting friendlies by your generalization, but I agree about bsv, not to mention he seems just like a good fu**able person.🙃
Now I am willing to bet, any amount you say Ok? Lets ask a LE agency to declare a service illegal, and ask theymos not to intervene, then lets see if anyone from DT would join the ad campaign for that service or not, just to get paid.
I will even play the role of karenprime2, to shout out to them, PeOpLe It'S iLlEgAl StOp It. Lol.
If you haven't noticed yet, the world has lost it's mind, a total scam garbage has 900m market cap, people here are discussing how untrustworthy someone is because they are not distributing stolen money among participants of a sig campaign. If theymos hadn't stepped in, we wouldn't be here talking. So yes authority is needed every where, but why are we allowing people whom are unable to differentiate between right and wrong to act as authorities around here?
The DT system appears to be decentralized, until you take a look at the source.
Theymos picks DT1 via his personal lottery. One person controlling DT means it is centralized.
Theymos picks DT1 via his personal lottery. One person controlling DT means it is centralized.
The poll appears to be lacking an option for "OP is a complete scumbag, supporting an identity thief who openly attacks Bitcoin users and developers with absurd lawsuits".
I vote that.
You seriously believe you can declare war on this community and then have the gall to come here to attack the methods we employ to prevent parasites like you from gaining influence? Yeah, let's entertain that notion.
If you had even a shred of honesty about you, then you'd acknowledge your only interest in this discussion is about how you and your verminous cohorts are perceived. You've been making several posts lately about people who have left you negative feedback, so it's not difficult to determine your true angle here. It's no surprise you'd want to complain about a reputation system that actively hinders you from gaining influence and ripping off more people with your trashy forkcoin scam.
You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended. Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.
I vote that.
You seriously believe you can declare war on this community and then have the gall to come here to attack the methods we employ to prevent parasites like you from gaining influence? Yeah, let's entertain that notion.
If you had even a shred of honesty about you, then you'd acknowledge your only interest in this discussion is about how you and your verminous cohorts are perceived. You've been making several posts lately about people who have left you negative feedback, so it's not difficult to determine your true angle here. It's no surprise you'd want to complain about a reputation system that actively hinders you from gaining influence and ripping off more people with your trashy forkcoin scam.
You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended. Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.
Isn't it obvious DT system is centralized? After all the forum itself (just like most website) is centralized. Theoretically admin can change how DT system works or even remove it anytime he wants.
Yeah, and I have a better question: why is this even being asked? Like you said, this is a discussion forum originating from a centralized team....and blah, blah, blah....there's just no relevance here.I certainly have some issues with the DT system and always have, but if you understand it you would think this X vs. Y discussion (which is great for shitposters, by the way) is straight-up silly.
Also, Bitcoin SV is back? How long of a break did we get from his trolling?
This discussion is pointless, and I know I will piss off a lot of good people at heart, but listen to this joke:
After sin bad was announced seized, after it was announced that the funds in campaign escrow is to be considered as stolen funds and should not be touched to avoid legal issues, people were gladly posting their half finished post counts to get the payments regardless.
Check the signature campaign for sin bad after the announcement, check deleted posts edited posts, and see how many people posted their post count, and which one of them are on DT.
Then come here, or anywhere else talk to me about established and trustworthy DTs, they either were unable to understand what STOLEN FUNDS mean, or they didn't care if it was stolen/hacked money.
Now talk to me about trust.
End of joke, I'm sorry if this post hurt someone, but I had no choice other than slapping back.
After sin bad was announced seized, after it was announced that the funds in campaign escrow is to be considered as stolen funds and should not be touched to avoid legal issues, people were gladly posting their half finished post counts to get the payments regardless.
Check the signature campaign for sin bad after the announcement, check deleted posts edited posts, and see how many people posted their post count, and which one of them are on DT.
Then come here, or anywhere else talk to me about established and trustworthy DTs, they either were unable to understand what STOLEN FUNDS mean, or they didn't care if it was stolen/hacked money.
Now talk to me about trust.
End of joke, I'm sorry if this post hurt someone, but I had no choice other than slapping back.
DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll
I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
You may be actually right, just as the criteria for being a DT member also is not decentralized, which means you're saying that DT is centralized and to join or leave is also a decision to be made by either the members or the admin itself, but we can also channel it as being decentralized in the sense that you can be added by anyone who trusted you and when such detrust you as well you get nucked out, though there's more to this in which i believe other experienced members could tell in explaining more to us about the way the system works.
This is community-oriented centralization (@shahzadafzal explains well what I think in the 2nd line). However, the admin can act without it if in his personal judgment, the system is seriously damaged.
The system is so rotten and corrupt that it allows trolls
What you're talking about is the power of influence. And almost all DT members don't blindly take sides without looking at their background.
@Shahzad, the whole problem is that you can very easily game the system, in fact a positive feedback could be obtained with no cost at all, just like I could say: "I have observed Shahzad over the years, seems to be a trustworthy member."
The fact that you consider positive trust as a sign of trustworthiness shows you have been manipulated.
The concern is, why nobody cares when someone abuses the system? Because the gang frowns upon such actions, therefore nobody risks their reputation to stand on the right side, that makes the whole system vulnerable. Admin is not to blame IMO, you can't keep everyone happy. Those who'd claim to be the good guys, they would simply back down when a certain somebody is involved.
Sv, please accept our lord as your saviour, savior, salvatore and repent, let me sweep the streets around the pyramid, I have a second job at nights, which is to be a clown for their laughter, kings and queen I mean.😉
The fact that you consider positive trust as a sign of trustworthiness shows you have been manipulated.
The concern is, why nobody cares when someone abuses the system? Because the gang frowns upon such actions, therefore nobody risks their reputation to stand on the right side, that makes the whole system vulnerable. Admin is not to blame IMO, you can't keep everyone happy. Those who'd claim to be the good guys, they would simply back down when a certain somebody is involved.
Sv, please accept our lord as your saviour, savior, salvatore and repent, let me sweep the streets around the pyramid, I have a second job at nights, which is to be a clown for their laughter, kings and queen I mean.😉
Yes I agree that true decentralization involves a balance of perspectives
FinallyApologies for going off-topic, but I have a quick question.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55201692 
DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll
I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
Overnight, tons of negative reviews are pours out on the DT-outcast.
I thought that decentralization meant both positive and negative reviews in different proportions. The presence of only continuous negative reviews from the accused is already a coordinated centralized attack from members of the system.
I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly
I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
Overnight, tons of negative reviews are pours out on the DT-outcast.
I thought that decentralization meant both positive and negative reviews in different proportions. The presence of only continuous negative reviews from the accused is already a coordinated centralized attack from members of the system.
I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly
While the Bitcointalk trust system may appear to act swiftly, its efficiency doesn’t necessarily undermine decentralization.
Instant actions can result from automated processes or a well-designed decentralized consensus mechanism. And for the matter of fact the negative reviews could stem from genuine concerns, and the absence of positive reviews might reflect the community’s standards rather than a coordinated attack.
It’s crucial to consider the broader context and mechanisms in place to appreciate the decentralized nature of the trust system.
Yes I agree that true decentralization involves a balance of perspectives, and the current situation raises questions about the fairness and impartiality but at the same time silence from other party and zero justification or no explanation whatsoever (about his questionable actions) will automatically produce baised results.
So you can’t really blame the trust system specially in this particular case.
Edit:
Apologies for going off-topic, but I have a quick question.
Are you associated with "Bitcoin SV"? Or you are the Bitcoin SV?
You can make an analysis and ask theymos to proceed an investigation, he did exclude someone who have 58 accounts to manipulate DT system.
The admin removed the competitor only because only the admin has the right to have such an army to manage If someone think DT system is centralized, what about Bitcoin that has a chance of 51% attack.
Bitcoin has a chance to fork at least so that people switch to a more secure protocol. And this forum has a monopoly, forum is centralized, admin is a pharaoh, DT-members are vassals, and the rest users are garbage to them.DT - is a feudal caste system
It's decentralized, you can give any feedback to any user regardless it's appropriate or not, you can include or exclude anyone without need to ask someone else permission. If someone think DT system is centralized, what about Bitcoin that has a chance of 51% attack.
Look at the flags of the accused people? The names of some accusators in flags-supporting menu are not known to anyone - but they are in DT and have the right to vote. This is a DT-army which are controlled by one puppeteer
You can make an analysis and ask theymos to proceed an investigation, he did exclude someone who have 58 accounts to manipulate DT system.After some investigation, this is a circle of 58 accounts, most of which have 10+ merit. IDs:
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They're all now excluded from the DT selection process, so if the goal was to manipulate DT, someone blew ~580 sMerit in order to ultimately fail doing so.
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They're all now excluded from the DT selection process, so if the goal was to manipulate DT, someone blew ~580 sMerit in order to ultimately fail doing so.
But as we all know, even a thief appreciates the safety provided by the cops. Your poll is rigged, won't participate.
I think that the DT system is managed and formed centrally. There is no democracy or consensus on the forum.
All the necessary people are appointed from above. In front of you only creates the appearance of being elected or excluded to the DT system. Everything is done through a pocket DT-army. Look at the flags of the accused people? The names of some accusators in flags-supporting menu are not known to anyone - but they are in DT and have the right to vote. This is a DT-army which are controlled by one puppeteer
DT system is cannot be decentralized, because the administrator will never allow the power of the majority in the DT-system to pass into the hands of the opposition. This is why a personal pocket DT-army exists to remove unwanted people.
This means that the system is completely centralized
The system is so rotten and corrupt that it allows trolls like nutildah to troll with impunity. This gives these trolls a monopoly on trolling.
The system is rotting and does not clean itself in any way. The best are expelled from the system. And the most rotten people remain in DT
All the necessary people are appointed from above. In front of you only creates the appearance of being elected or excluded to the DT system. Everything is done through a pocket DT-army. Look at the flags of the accused people? The names of some accusators in flags-supporting menu are not known to anyone - but they are in DT and have the right to vote. This is a DT-army which are controlled by one puppeteer
DT system is cannot be decentralized, because the administrator will never allow the power of the majority in the DT-system to pass into the hands of the opposition. This is why a personal pocket DT-army exists to remove unwanted people.
This means that the system is completely centralized
The system is so rotten and corrupt that it allows trolls like nutildah to troll with impunity. This gives these trolls a monopoly on trolling.
The system is rotting and does not clean itself in any way. The best are expelled from the system. And the most rotten people remain in DT
I guess it depends on whether you're looking from an individual perspective or the whole system. The way I see it, the Trust System is decentralized for people using the forum. Each user can change their own trust lists however they want, adding or removing members as they please and this shapes how they view trust feedback on their end. But zooming out to look at everything you could say parts of it are still kinda centralized. There's central authority that can boot members from DT1, although they still have the right to vote.
That is not correct. The Bitcoin system is decentralized and operates on a consensus mechanism, allowing for near-instantaneous decision-making. This decision-making process occurs approximately every ten minutes, resulting in block confirmations and subsequent updates to the Bitcoin ledger.
How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
That is not correct. The Bitcoin system is decentralized and operates on a consensus mechanism, allowing for near-instantaneous decision-making. This decision-making process occurs approximately every ten minutes, resulting in block confirmations and subsequent updates to the Bitcoin ledger.
So you admit that the DT system is centralized?
I can still say that trust system is not centralized, even if not seen as decentralized to some people.
So you admit that the DT system is centralized?
I can still say that trust system is not centralized, even if not seen as decentralized to some people.Then from now on I ask everyone that you tag everyone who yells that the "DT system is decentralized" or "DT system becomes decentralized" as shitposters
What does this mean if you are in DT? This is bias.I mean for God's sake, they don't even allow you to defend yourself, and when you do, RIP. Funny thing is, they get caught red handed everytime they apply their double standards, but who cares, right?
Correct me if wrong. But Ratimov did not defend himself? Instead he remained mute about what is going on. Which likely means he does not care about what is going on about what people are discussing about him recently on this forum.
The active gang of DTs milking, exploiting, oppressing, bullying blatantly, are in fact a new sect. I mean come on, they don't give a single sat about anything but their own sig payments and other illicit activities.
If you dare, go open a topic on any of them, if you dare go question them as to why they support a certain somebody.
Of course when you do dare to do that, and when you reveal their unmasked nature, they start attacking you by several alts and those in need of sig payments, support them. Because it has been established long ago, "if everyone thinks x about y, then everyone is right"
And who is this everyone? Cult members, complementing each other with trust and merits left and right and laugh to our faces while suffocating this community.
Bottom line, racism and money is the rule here, because authorities don't want to dictate their opinions, hence the cult does that.
I mean for God's sake, they don't even allow you to defend yourself, and when you do, RIP. Funny thing is, they get caught red handed everytime they apply their double standards, but who cares, right?
What makes it worse, is the butthurt label when you complain.
If you dare, go open a topic on any of them, if you dare go question them as to why they support a certain somebody.
Of course when you do dare to do that, and when you reveal their unmasked nature, they start attacking you by several alts and those in need of sig payments, support them. Because it has been established long ago, "if everyone thinks x about y, then everyone is right"
And who is this everyone? Cult members, complementing each other with trust and merits left and right and laugh to our faces while suffocating this community.
Bottom line, racism and money is the rule here, because authorities don't want to dictate their opinions, hence the cult does that.
I mean for God's sake, they don't even allow you to defend yourself, and when you do, RIP. Funny thing is, they get caught red handed everytime they apply their double standards, but who cares, right?
What makes it worse, is the butthurt label when you complain.
I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly
It would have been better if Ratimov did not delete people's posts in his topics and also edited the topics to make it to become worthless. That is where it started recently.He is not in DT, but if he continues to be the good poster he is, he will still be recognized.
I wished he just left those topics alone the way they are.
Isn't it obvious DT system is centralized?
So you admit that the DT system is centralized?Then from now on I ask everyone to tag everyone who yells that the "DT system is decentralized" or "DT system becomes decentralized" as shitposters
Decentralized since no single person controlling it.
Everything is done via discussion on public thread and everyone can give their opinion about the subject not that it happened without any prior notice or discussion. The system is completely decentralized but some people might fight find it centralized if the unanimous decision is not in their favor.
PS: My opinion is not related to Ratimov because I don’t follow the full context of the issue. This is for the general use of the trust system.
Everything is done via discussion on public thread and everyone can give their opinion about the subject not that it happened without any prior notice or discussion. The system is completely decentralized but some people might fight find it centralized if the unanimous decision is not in their favor.
PS: My opinion is not related to Ratimov because I don’t follow the full context of the issue. This is for the general use of the trust system.
DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll
I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
Overnight, tons of negative reviews are pours out on the DT-outcast.
I thought that decentralization meant both positive and negative reviews in different proportions. The presence of only continuous negative reviews from the accused is already a coordinated centralized attack from members of the system.
I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly
I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous
Overnight, tons of negative reviews are pours out on the DT-outcast.
I thought that decentralization meant both positive and negative reviews in different proportions. The presence of only continuous negative reviews from the accused is already a coordinated centralized attack from members of the system.
I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly
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