Topic: During the morning missile attack on Ukraine, the Russians hit Samsung Offices (Read 126 times)

Do not lose sight of the main thing: it was not the United States that started the war in Ukraine. Eight Russian armies invaded Ukraine on February 24 from three sides, including from the territory of Belarus, and began to quickly move towards Kyiv in order to overthrow the legitimate government there and capture Ukraine. Such impudence of Putin in the 21st century in the center of Europe shocked all civilized states. Therefore, their desire to help Ukraine, which was attacked, is quite logical. If Russia had not attacked Ukraine, this conversation would not have happened. But Russia attacked. Of course, having seen the resilience and professionalism of the Ukrainian armed forces and the entire people, the United States, like all NATO countries, is taking the opportunity to weaken Russia militarily and economically.

 NATO countries were afraid of an open military clash with Russia, and here a relatively small Ukraine with a population six times smaller than Russia is defeating the "second army of the world" on its territory. In fact, Ukraine is now doing what the NATO countries have been preparing for the past few decades. The US successfully uses the situation, and no more. But Russia itself is to blame for this: there was no need to attack Ukraine.

This has always been a proxy war between United States and Russia before it even began. It is not about supply of components or anything like that. Think of it this way: every Russian soldier that falls is one less soldier to fight US. Every bullet that Russia fires at another direction is one less bullet they have to shoot at US.

In fact this is not the only proxy war that the Americans have started or are trying to start. Basically they have pulled anybody who threatened their global hegemony into a similar war. The proxy war through ISIS against Iran, the proxy war through Taiwan against China and the proxy war through Ukraine against Russia are the 3 main ones.

And what did you expect from international terrorists?
On that day, more than 80 missiles were fired at Ukraine, and several dozen kamikaze drones. No, they did not fly to destroy ammunition depots, military units, troop concentrations. No. They shelled peaceful cities, destroyed thermal power plants and electrical substations, destroyed residential buildings, squares, just streets. This terrorist attack did not have a purpose that would help in the current situation, when the pathetic Russian army is losing the war.
The goal was and remains the same: to intimidate the population! In order to force Ukraine into negotiations, and at least somehow avoid a full-fledged military defeat of the Russian army. But there is a problem here - the assessment of goals, among the Krenmlevsky Nazis, is based on an assessment of the mentality of their population. And so they were waiting for FEAR from the Ukrainians. The result turned out to be diametrically opposite: even more hatred for terrorists, even greater firmness in the position not to negotiate with terrorists, and even greater efforts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and volunteer detachments to destroy the army of occupying terrorists!

I am not entirely sure if Russia attacked Samsung knowingly for any chip related reasons. They are just attacking kiev, and yes there is a logical argument that they knew where they were attacking, but I do not think that the purpose for it was somehow making sure that they are getting their chips back.

It could mainly be regarding shelling places of foreign investors to tell them to leave the war zone. Doesn't matter if you are Samsung or apple or amazon or whoever, leave the area and go somewhere else, life will not go on like nothing is wrong, that’s the message. I believe that they are firing their last bullets, at this point aside from nukes which we all know would be end of us all, there aren't any other methods left in the arsenal.

What do they mean when they say their goal is to weaken russia?

I interpret that as meaning their intent is for russian shortages of replacement parts and vital components to be exhausted.

Due to sanctions russia has a limited supply of components to repair destroyed military hardware. As well as construct new units to replace old ones.

If that is true. Is it really a large leap in logic to say that this conflict will eventually focus upon that aspect of supply & logicstics.

As it has done so for a period of years now.

What kind of negotiations are we talking about and with whom? Ukraine does not make such decisions. We need to talk to the US, but they don't want peace.

https://mronline.org/2022/10/13/u-s-rejection-of-moscows-offer-for-peace-talks-is-utterly-inexcusable/
"These two points taken together lend even more credibility an argument I’ve been making from the very beginning of this war: that the U.S. does not want peace in Ukraine, but rather seeks to create a costly military quagmire for Moscow just as U.S. officials have confessed to trying to do in Afghanistan and in Syria. Which would explain why U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said the U.S. goal in Ukraine is actually to “weaken” Russia, and also why the empire appears to have actively torpedoed a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia in the early days of the conflict."

We could say that the attack isn't just to hit Samsung offices but also other businesses. Russia might now start to feel the effect of different sections but still be able to endure it. Kyiv can live normally or even rebuild as capital again because Russia will still continuously hit them. Maybe Russia is just finding enough time to pursue attacks again so Ukraine shouldn't be confident and still be prepared for attacks all the time. The war isn't over yet so the rebuilding and healing won't still succeed for both countries.

You are making a big leap from Samsung building being hit to changing sanctions stance on Russia. Not to mention that there are a lot of other ways to procure any components that are needed (most things aren't really as vital as you think they are).

How can the capital be "doing good" when the country is still at war?

This opinion is erroneous. Russia illegally built the Kerch bridge from its territory to the Ukrainian occupied peninsula of Crimea and has recently been actively using it to transfer its military and various military equipment to southern Ukraine in the combat zone. If Ukraine stops resisting, it will disappear as a state, and pro-Ukrainian citizens will be killed, which is now happening in the occupied territories. Russia has already announced four regions of Ukraine as its own and annexed them to the Russian Federation. These are the areas from which the Ukrainians are now expelling the occupiers. So, stop doing it, because it is already considered the territory of Russia and it can be offended?

For the past three days, Russia has been actively firing rockets all over Ukraine, targeting the infrastructure that provides the population with electricity, heat and water. The order about this from the Kremlin was given to its military long before the explosion on October 8 on the Kerch bridge, namely on October 2-3. Russia is now suffering a catastrophic defeat on the fronts of Ukraine. The remnants of the regular Russian army are surrounded in the Kherson region. Putin is frantically looking for ways to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table and his favorite tactic is intimidation. That is why the peaceful cities of Ukraine are now being shelled. In order to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table, the remnants of high-precision expensive missiles are being produced. On October 10 alone, Russia fired 87 missiles worth between $400 million and $700 million. Of these, 43 were shot down by Ukrainian air defense. Russia will soon stop the massive shelling of Ukraine, because on the one hand, the missiles are running out, and on the other hand, having seen the resilience of the Ukrainians, Putin will understand that it is useless to do this. After all, militarily, these attacks do not make any sense.

This action of Russia and Putin is a war crime offence and I believe that US as one of the now enemies of the Russian is going to wait for the war to end to go after Putin. They initially bombed civilians and from warning they stopped, maybe they are resuming this kind of senseless bombing of innocent people, unarmed public because of the bombing that happen in Crimean bridge linking Russia going into Ukraine.

Economical infrastructure should not be attacked during the war. If Ukraine didn't attack on Crimean bridge then russia won't attack civilian buildings too. That bridge was not any military infrastructure and there is no battle going on in Crimean territories. I think both side is to blame for these actions and there are others sources from where russia could get those chip. So sanction will not be a solution for every situation. This just makes your enemy desperate so that he do more madness.

Its not a conspiracy theory, other better sources I saw seemed to agree with basic claims made in OP:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/samsungs-ukraine-headquarters-damaged-by-russian-missile-strike/ar-AA12PZ3Z

I don't know whether or not the missile landing in close proximity to the samsung building was an accident or intentional.

Can you think of a good scenario where a missile interceptor lands directly on top of the real estate it is supposed to defend?

Does it fit the profile of systems like iron dome in terms of impact and collateral damage.

From photos of the building covered in smoke, it does look a little like building may have been hit.

Samsung was also a target of at least one electronic hacking attack in 2022.



There are some weird things about these strikes.

You know what I mean, right.

The New York Times disagrees with you. They say that the Russians fired more than a hundred rockets, and killed only 19 people, which means they have poor quality rockets.

A massive missile strike on October 10 targeted 330kW electrical substations to inflict limited damage on Ukraine's critical infrastructure. Only one rocket, apart from substations, was fired at the building of the SBU in Kyiv.

LOL! It's as if Russian bombings have been selecting specific targets. They're not. So I don't think this Samsung office in Kyiv being hit by one of the Russian bombs is intentional. No, it definitely isn't. It's plain coincidence. Russian bombings have been indiscriminate. They're hitting schools, children's parks, train stations, hospitals, churches, resident buildings, and other civilian and neutral infrastructures and areas. Hell, their soldiers are even shooting old people and women.

We all thought Kyiv is doing good already where people now live normally.
Russia was slowing down and going back to thier camps as the report said that Ukraine got back the regions that was previously occupied by Russians. But attacking the Crimean bridge is a mistake that Putin also considers terrorism.

I think they should stop hitting Russia for now so they would not retaliate to bomb infrastructures as well. Switch on your news Russian media, since Putin exactly meant what he is saying which is to respond harshly. Hitting Kyiv like yesterday caused the blackout in the city.

Judging by the shape of the striking elements, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile fell near the Samsung office in Kyiv. Do not build a conspiracy theory where there is operator error or the poor quality of an old Soviet guided anti-aircraft missile.

No one is going to allow them to sell dual-use goods in a breach of sanctions, that would be suicidal for them, the US and EU would respond very harshly to such action.

Also, bombing someone to make them sell goods to you never worked. This was simply an attack on Ukraine's economy, and it's pretty futile, because the US and EU already agreed to provide 1.5B per month each to Ukraine.

Russia slowed down its war activities and once again getting into agression. For samsung it is business and stopping the supplying to a country will surely have an impact over their market. Maybe after finding an alternate supply region, Samsung might take a stand to supply Russia chips and other components that are necessary to stay connected.

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It is known economic sanctions on russia deprive the russian war effort of vital parts and components, such as semiconductors and computer chips.

Could russia target chip makers like samsung as primary military targets in the future. In an effort to pressure them to supply russia with much needed components?

In this instance russian rockets appeared to target samsung office bulidings. No one was hurt thankfully. Everyone had evacuated to a bomb shelter. How much pressure and destruction of real estate and assets can a chipmaker like samsung endure before they begin to reconsider sanctions and decide to rethink their stance on supplying russia with vital parts and components?