Topic: E9 Pro support for ETC/ZIL dual mining, boosting income by ~32% on Flexpool (Read 310 times)

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If we were going to lie about supporting something we wouldn't spend days working with someone to get it to work on their machine.
Maybe you shouldn't accuse us of lying when you don't have hard evidence. ZIL round rewards are more than 100% of what you'd expect from our hashrate.
In ETH terms, if the blocks a day are higher than the pools hashrate should get, there are no problems. Accusing us of faking that it works then ignoring that we're making more ZIL (which means it must be working!) is a funny way to do things.

Crypto is transparent, all data is on chain, we can't fake how much ZIL we get per round. The chain doesn't lie, only people do.

Just stop with the lies, your zil support is fake:

https://i.ibb.co/dbGhTL2/image.png

We have quite a bit of respect for K1Pool devs. They are wrong it is possible, but they have a really good ZIL implementation we struggle to match.

That being said, crypto networks are transparent and you've yet to explain how we manage to make more ZIL a round per GH/s than Crazypool. If our E9 Pro's aren't working then how is the network giving us ZIL? Is the Zilliqa network conspiring to fake it and airdropping us?

Even Pugs, the person who initially "helped" you set up your fake etc zil for e9 pro's, is the person that talks the most shit about you on Bitmain telegram and discord now (his telegram name is *_*). He is also the one that confirmed ETHW is more profitable than your fake etc zil pool. Crazypool isn't the only one that has proven the E9 Pro cannot mine ZIL, but k1pool (who is much more technologically capable than flexpool) and ezil have, as well. Just stop already

It's a conspiracy!

But seriously you can see our pools hashrate going up along with our ZIL round awards which are onchain. Not to mention that we've been around for years, have a legal address in Canada, and at one time had $25+mil of unpaid miners funds in our wallet and if we were unethical that would have disappeared. We're not going to start doing unethical things over the couple hundred dollars of ZIL we make monthly. If we really were unethical there are a lot of things we could be doing to competing pools.

I invite people with E9 Pro's to test for themselves the profitability...ETHW pays around 10% more than ETC while ETC+ZIL pays 30% more.

I know the person claiming its technically impossible, its the pool op of Crazypool and his staff/miners, just because he can't get it working doesn't mean we can't. He couldn't get his ZIL pool working properly and we're the ones that told him what to do. Without our technical support he would not have a ZIL pool and he's done his best to make us regret helping him. So obviously we know more than him when it comes to ZIL. We're the ones who created ZMP (Zilliqa Miner Protocol) that allows for ZIL mining past Epoch 0 and makes dual mining standardized. We also created a bunch of other things, for instance we were the first pool publicly to have MEV on ETH. We made our own mining program for Chia called FlexFarmer. Flexpool is more than just a simple mining pool, we innovate as well.

There are no hidden fees, we charge 3%+costs for ZIL as ZIL servers are expensive. Any miner on Flexpool knows this as we disclose it under Get Started. In return, miners receive more ZIL per round. You can compare how much ZIL Crazypool makes per round per GH/s to Flexpool. We make significantly more ZIL than them per GH/s because we didn't cheap out on servers. Even with charging for costs our miners make more. And that data directly contradicts your theory that we're faking the E9 Pro working as quite a bit of our hashrate comes from E9 Pro's so you'd see our ZIL per GH/s going lower if so.


I know who you are and I know you don't like us but please don't say weird things like us faking the E9 Pro working and generously airdropping miners to fake it. By that argument any pool could be faking, maybe they are just millionaires buying crypto and giving it to miners out of the generosity of their hearts.

What doesn't lie is onchain data and you can clearly see onchain that per ZIL round we make 10%+ more ZIL than Crazypool. Crazy is not a competent developer, he even had his home address up publicly and we gave him a heads up to remove it before he got attacked (he lives in South America and you can imagine having millions in crypto plus your home address online is not safe even in America). Our ZIL pool setup is technologically superior because we have better developers which leads to more income for miners. And its because we have better developers that we figured out how to get the E9 Pro working. It took us a lot of work to do this, you even know the person who worked with us to get it working on his E9 Pro over a few days. If we were faking it we wouldn't have put so much effort into it and gotten the help of someone in the community. The E9 dual miners +ZIL fine, the newer E9 Pro is capable of doing the same. Bitmain locked the E9 Pro to Antpool (other pools have hacked it to get it mining ETC elsewhere) and doesn't want people moving pools which is probably why they want to hide that it can mine ZIL. But given that the E9 Pro is newer than the E9 with the same hardware and software (to people's knowledge), is it really so hard to believe it can dual mine +ZIL the same as the E9?

Note: I know Rabid ran a test comparing pools which showed that Crazy pays more than us. Rabid lives pretty close to me in Canada and we chat often so I'd say he's a non-biased source, hell he may even be biased towards me. That being said, a short test using different devices isn't a good test. We ran a 7 day test using 1 gpu on each ZIL pool and we came out ahead for ZIL (but behind Ezil for ETC which we assume was just luck).

E9 Pro does not support zil mining, period. The miner is technologically incapable of switching to epoch 0 to generate the ZIL DAG file, and Bitmain has confirmed this exact matter, specifically stating that there is "no support for other coins or fallback to previous blocks mining, Epoch support will be updated with block update (meaning ZIL will be supported when the block number reaches epoch 1 in September), and no support for previous Epochs (epoch 0)."

Flexpool's fake ETC ZIL mining not only is less profitable than straight ETHW mining (as confirmed by Pugs), but is a complete hustle to try to get Bitmain users on the pool before epoch 1 begins. They take a small loss on the ZIL side of things but subsidize the loss with their ETC revenue gained and massive hidden fees.

Its starting to feel like a conspiracy. Multiple random people are saying we're lying about ETC+ZIL and now Bitmain  support deleted my messages and banned me. Seriously if the older E9 with the same hardware can do ETC+ZIL why can't the E9 Pro? It makes no logical sense that it can't. We got it working and multiple E9 Pro users have tested it for themselves. My best guess is Bitmain wants them to stay on its own Antpool.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/395716210593103873/1084131966414246018/085ac709-d64f-40fd-943e-897b37fb7a32.png?width=391&height=846

Even if iPollo did not release this new firmware,the EZIL pool has just released some dedicated ports for ASICS an old GPU-s that have difficulties to keep a ZIL cached DAG,I just saw this news today morning and that by the tests they have done have increased drastically the income compared without such ports.

It is great that even ASICS makers like the producers of iPollo are consistently upgrading their product,ZIL is one of the most valuable coins if it used as a staked one offering nice applied yearly interest up to 15% more coins a year.

ZIL on iPollo's doesn't work as well as it does on GPUs as it doesn't store both DAGs in memory. The E9 appears to be switching between the coins smoothly so either its creating the DAG fast or its loading both DAGs in memory. This minimizes the time lost when switching and maximizes income.

Edit: iPollo just released a new Zil firmware maybe they fixed that.

How should they have restrictions on number of coins? He is restricted to an algo -> Ethash, but you can mine every Ethash coin (etho, ethw, ethf, etc, zil, clo..... - all coins on this list = https://miningpoolstats.stream/ethereumclassic). Etchash is only slightly different to Ethash, but it only needs some changes in the software.
Is 7GB really enough for the next 5 years? ETHW for example - the 7GB is only good for the next 3 years. But sure it is enough at the moment.

It is the same like BTC miners. This miners can also mine hundreds of coins, the only restriction is - they must use the sha256 algo.

I switched all my old AMD cards to kaspa+zil - squeeze the last shit out of this cards  - and also started to buy newer cards - i get 6600xt around 180€ sometimes

I thought that these ASICs have restrictions on the number of coins. Then all old AMD video cards will be useless in mining coins with Ethash and Etchash algorithms. And 7 GB of RAM will be enough for the next 5 years of mining, but perhaps the ASIC will break earlier.

Suprised how well the E9 mines zil? You should change your hobby - Zil is ethash so sure the E9 mines zil good like any other miner. 


PIRL is dead for long time, MUSIC is also dead and UBIQ use the ubiqhash algo - a littlebit different to normal ethash.

They use the same algorithm,which is ETHASH and as such this device can mine any coin that run that algorithm,I think I have seen people with over 80.000 ETHW on some pool which I don't remember and the hash rate of only one device was 2.4 GHZ,meaning only one worker so I am assuming they were using an ASIC miner as I doubt you can put the same worker on different GPU-rigs,you need to change the name of every rig worker by adding a 1,2 and so on to differentiate so I believe they run ETHW and ETHF also.

I am not sure about UBQ,MUSIC,PIRL and some other related coins which use the same algorithm but this device should support the major ETHASH coins.

And even if it does yet,I am sure a firmware upgrade in a couple of months will make this possible.

Sorry all I can say is that ETC+ZIL work on Flexpool and they are 20%+ more profitable than any other option for the E9 Pro. I'm actually surprised at how well the E9 mines ZIL.

Ethash is Ethash. The E9 supports all Ethash and Etchash coins, it doesn´t matter what coin - only limitations is DAG size in the Future. But i don´t know how much RAM this Asic has for the DAG.

EDIT:
The E9 has 7GB of RAM for the DAG.

Please tell me, is it possible to use ASIC E9 Pro for mining Ethereum POW coins and other coins that use the Ethash algorithm?
Ethereum Classic has a similar Etchash algorithm, and when mining on video cards, the hashrate is the same on both algorithms. But I'm interested in the situation with the new ASIC.

We have added support for dual mining, ETC/ZIL on the E9 Pro, making us the only pool this is possible on. Please use format /. under miner name (without <>) and stratum+tcp://etc-.flexpool.io:4444 for mining address (for example: stratum+tcp://etc-de.flexpool.io:4444).

The Antminer dashboard may show the shares as Rejected but you will see them as Accepted on the Flexpool website. You will need to use the ETC firmware. Please contact our support if you have any issues.