Topic: Earning From Digital Ads Will Be Taxed (e.g., Signature Campaign) (Read 804 times)

Hirap din kasing mag verify ng BIR dito sa forum kasi anonymous tayo, unlike sa youtube pwedeng maging partner ng BIR ang youtube at humingi ng information about their partners or mga youtubers sa pilipinas. Sa crypto naman, yung coins.ph lang ang sakop ng BIR dahil regulated ito ng government natin, kaya lang, mahabang process kung iisahin nila transaction natin dahi hindi naman lahat ng pumapasok sa coins.ph ay income na lahat yun.

Marami akong nababasa na mga articles pero di ko sure kung totoo ba na pati ang mga youtubers or streamers ay magkakaroon na rin ng tax na alam naman din naten ay kumita din sa ads lalo na ang mga youtubers. Tingin ko sa forum naten mukang agree din ako sa ibang mga members na malabong malagyan ng tax ang mga signature campaign dito. Sa tingin ko magfofocus ang Tax sa mga malalaking company na kung saan maraming tao na ang kumikuta tulad na lamang ng Facebook at youtube. Kung ikukumpara nga naman ang ang mga website or social mediai sites na ito ang tila mukang malaking pera ang makukuha ng gobyerno dito.

Maganda yan kabayan, pero mas maganda kung tumulong nalang tayo sa mga relatives natin sa pamamagitan ng pera na makukuha natin, yung sa signature campaign income di naman aabot ng 250k per year yon, so kahit mag report ka, non taxable pa rin yan, in short, wala kang contribution sa government.


Magandang example din yan, pero yun nga sa law, subject to tax pa rin dahil lahat daw ng income subject to tax, pero in real life hindi naman lahat tayo nagbabayad di ba, so signature campaign ganon rin yan, kung lahat subject to tax, malamang lahat ng tao sa BIR ay magpa file ng kanilang tax return.

yung mga nag bebenta ng balot, kwekwek, tempura, yosi, pati na rin candy, dapat mag file sila kung pagbabasihan natin yung pangkalahatang batas.


Tama, dahil hindi naman lahat sa atin dito may alam sa batas, yung iba student pa nga di ba, may high school pa na ang signature campaign.
tingnan mo nalang example ko sa taas,.... so depende na talaga, pero kung practical ka siguro, di mo na gagawing mag file.

Signature camp will fall under freelancing, supposedly ang mga Filipino ano man ang pinagkakakitaan ay dapat magfile or magreport ng income sa BIR (nasa batas yan) then they (BIR) will categorize kung magtatax ba tayo o hindi.  Iyon nga lang hindi ito nasusunod.  Sa totoo lang wala naman dapat pagtalunan kung susundin ang nasasaad sa batas.  Kapag hindi natin sinunod ang batas, automatic mali na iyon kahit ano pang katwiran ang gawin natin to justify na tama ang ginawa natin.

Sang-ayon ako na walang ganoong capability ang BIR na itrace isa-isa ang mga kumikita online, kaya nasa sa atin na lang kung magiging tapat ba tayo sa gobyerno o tapat sa gusto nating gawin .

Sa tingin ko hindi kasama ang signature campaign sa paglalagay ng tax sa mga digital ads kasi hindi ito full time, hindi rin tiyak kung hanggang kailan or magkano ang kabuuan ng sasahurin mo throughout the campaign. Halimbawa na lang sa mga musikero na nagkakaroon ng gig, freelancer din sila pero hindi sila tinataxan ng bir dahil nga hindi naman iyon regular same as signature campaign. Besides kung isama man nila ang tax sa atin sa papaanong paraan nila magagawa yon aber?

If there will be a survey conducted by our local governments regarding on what type of jobs we do to earn and request to give tax unto them then I will not evade it and comply with the law, our economy suffers to much and our government need help to function well or revive the economy. This is our simple help so that we will not suffer for economic loss of our country.

I know most of us are not earning 250k per year from signature campaign, but according to @Bttzed03 our income is taxable so we need to report it even if we are not required to pay, but for me, hell no, we will only give an idea to BIR that this kind of job or business exist.

Yun din ang iniisip ko. We don't have any KYC dito sa forum and our identity here will stay as anonymous. Kumbaga, BIR won't even touch or mingle with signature campaign participants unless ikaw o tayo mismo ang mag rereveal sakanila which of course hindi natin gagawin. And we are not actually earning 250,000 php a year (well, as for me) kaya not subject to pay annual taxes.

Sana ay may irecosinder sila dito lalo na ung mga small online sellers at freelancers na ito lang ang ikinabubuhay.z[

I don't think na magagawa nilang matrace lahat ng Filipino accounts dito sa forum unless they would really give huge effort para lang makuha lahat ng identitiy ng kada users na pinoy rito but then it would take them months to years just to verify the real users behind these anonymous accounts (unless you've participated in Social Media campaigns which would make it easier to find you). Also, we're using coins.ph with our crypto transactions (mostly) and they have transaction fees na ginagamit nila para kumita and with that napupunta din yung tax from our fees to their ITR. Right?


Mas nakakatawa pa sa bagong pakulo ng BIR is paano yung mga freelancer sa Fiverr, Upwork, 99designs, at iba pa? Would they be able to track ALL Filipinos earning more than 250K in those vast platforms? With the capability pa nga lang ng ating NBI sa cyber tracking is hindi pa ganoon ka possible matrace nila lahat ngayon at madami nang naglipanang mga VPNs, MAC address changing, and even mga private IPs na iba iba.


Indeed, hindi naman tayo part ng isang company para magkaroon ng auto-filing ng insurances eh. Hence kahit na itax tayo, I don't think this would also count sa mga pensions from those beneficial agencies (unless you've open an insurance indicating where your money came from). And AFAIK if you were on legal age (19 na daw si Maus0728), pwedeng ikaw na mag asikaso ng mga legal files mo particularly ITRs and Reports, and based on my experience kung wala ka pa namang work or less than 250K naman kinikita mo per year then madali lang magfile ng reports eh.

Agree ako dito. Eh yung mga freelancing jobs nga lang ay hirap na nilang ma-trace, pano pa kaya ang mga signature campaign participants dito na anonymous ang mga users.

Kung kumikita ka ng 250k+ per year, then mas mabuti pang ayusin mo na ang tax mo kasi coins.ph ang magiging proof ng kita mo. Unless you use other payment method na hindi kayang I-trace. Kasi I think na kasama ang signature campaign as an online job kasi kumikita tayo ng totoong pera na ginagastos natin sa bansa as stated by the law na any income coming from the internet.


I think earners of 250k pesos and above lang ang kasama sa mga tax. Kaya kung ang kita mo ay umabot ng ganyan, sure na hahanapin ka nila lalo pa kapag coins.ph ang gamit mo.

I'm sure hindi sila masyado aware sa ganapan sa surface ng cryptocurrency, ang sigurong pagkakaalam lang nila about it is isa lang itong form ng investment or payment mode of a business. Kapag kasi nakakarinig sila ng word na business automatic na sa kanila yan kase may perang dumadaloy doon. Pero with the signature campaigns being taxed? malabo pa sa sabaw ng pusit yan, kasi kung tatanungin mo sila ng "paano?" hindi na nila alam ang isasagot, baka ang sabihin lang nila e " edi ireport nyo sa amin." they should research about it generally before coming up with this memorandum. Hindi naman ako ganon ka against sa pagbabayad ng tax kase sa taong bayan din naman napupunta yan ( unless kurakutin nila ) , even on taxing netflix and other internet services agree din ako kase kailangan talaga natin ng malaking pondo sa gitna ng pandemya. Pero sa pagkakataong ito, sa bagay na to, I strongly disagree.

Fringe benefits per se are benefits provided under an employment contract. Ibig sabihin you are only eligible if you are under employer-employee relationship. Hindi kasali ang mga independent online/digital marketers dyan. Like I said in my previous comment, sig campaigns are more like income from freelancing or from being self-employed.

Just to clarify SSS/Philhealth/Pagibig are part of non-taxable fringe benefits.
 
There is no age restriction actually. Pati yung mga under age, legal guardians ang magaasikaso ng filing at payment.

I'm adding another section in the tax code for reference of all readers:


Based on the above, you are required to file an ITR. But again, if your taxable annual income is equal to or falls below the 250K treshold, zero ang tax due mo (wala kang babayaran).

Natatawa lang ako sa balitang ito kasi para sa akin malamang may tax requirement na naman ito yung tipong pag hindi 250,000 a year ang kita mo dito eh hindi ka itatax. Kasi sa sinasalihan ko ngayon kakapurit lang natatanggap ko tipong pangyosi lang sa isang araw ang kita ko sa isang linggo so para sa akin malaking kalokohan ang itax pa nila ang mga signature campaigns. 300 pesos a month ang kita itatax pa, diba?

I don't know if @Bttzed03 will agree to this.

If signature campaign participant will be taxed, then what are the taxable fringe benefits we can get? Kasi diba kung nagbabayad ka ng tax, let's say for example, an employee working for a company in our country, may benefits yan such as SSS deduction, PhilHealth Deduction, Pag-Ibig deductions etc.. -- eligible ba tayo para makakuha ng mga yan?

These people who are earning from digital marketing/ freelancers/ online sellers/ bloggers are somewhat independent kasi sarili lang din naman inasahan nila in the first place; they provide their own electricity, foods, materials while working inside their home right? Kahit yung government walang pake don.

I don't think so. Coins.ph pa lang yari ka na eh, just admit that we've surrendered our identities to maximize their services -- for our own sake and ease of use right?

Yan din naisip ko nung una but then naisip ko na I disclosed my personal identity sa centralized exchanges (CEX) and custodial wallet (coins.ph) which can be easily ties sa btc addresses natin -- wala pa naman coin control function yung mga yun LOL.

Yes! Regardless of what term we will be using, both of them are still generating an income.

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@Bttzed03

How about age differences? Kasama din ba yun sa factors na kinoconsider to make the subject taxable or not? I am 19 yrs old pero I am sa earning signature campaign (digital marketing). Am I subjected to tax?

Magkakamot panigurado ng ulo yung pagsasabihan mo ng signature campaigners hehe. Pwede naman online/digital advertisers kagaya ng nakasaad sa title ng OP.

Kung working ka naman tapos active ka sa sig campaigns, pwede mo naman sabihin sa HR na isama din sa ITR mo yun dahil meron tayong tinatawag na mixed income. Dagdag trabaho nga lang talaga pagdating sa presentation, computation, at payment kung sakali. 

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Karamihan dito ay wala naman argument sa legality pero maraming tanong about sa implementation. While I agree na mahihirapan ang BIR sa pag-handle nito at malamang mag-focus sila sa mga mas malalaking online merchants/digital earners, hindi natin ito pwede gawing excuse para hindi tayo mag-declare ng kinikita natin online (kasama na sig campaigns). 

The law mandating us to declare all income and register business is not new. Marami sa atin ang hindi aware pero before pa magkaroon ng RMC 60-2020, may mga vloggers/freelancers/online sellers at iba pang digital earners ang nagko-comply sa filing at declaring ng mga income nila.

Sa tingin ko naman nakapagbigay na ako ng sapat na basis/references kung bakit subject to tax ang mga digital ads kaya final contribution ko na siguro ito sa thread na ito.

Nice discussion we got here, di ko alam may accountants and lawyers pala dito, tama ba ako? hehe..

Anyway, allow me to share my opinion regarding the topic, maaring taxable ang income natin pero personally hindi ako mag reremit gaya ng karamihan sa atin, kung baga, maghihintay nalang ako na mas matackle pa ang signature campaign income para mas klaro. Sa tagal ko na dito sa forum, never kung naisip na kailangan mag remit ng income natin dahil kung sa work, yung HR na mismo ang mag deduct ng tax sa sahod natin, so kung tayo ang mag remit nito, parang business na rin, or self employed tayo gani ng sabi ni Bttzed03... ayaw kung isipin ng ganyan dahil pag tinanong ako dito sa amin about anong work ko,,anong sasabihin ko, signature campaigners? hehe.. sorry guys, medyo complicated lang on my part.

I got it (selling sig space) mixed up. It's supposed to be renting out sig space/selling your service to promote a particular company.

"Applying" for sig campaigns can also be seen this way:

Company A wants to promote something by renting sig space and availing services of independent advertisers so a representative announced it here on bitcointalk. He laid out the terms/contract and asks members here who is willing to rent out their sig space and promote the company meeting the required no. of posts. As a sign of willingness, the representative asks members to post their usernames and other data. The representative will then choose whose sig space and service they want to avail.

For members with threads renting out their signature, yes they have added their own terms but companies who would avail will most likely have their own conditions too and not just buy outright (i.e. number of posts/week). When it's all set, both parties will have to abide by the terms they agreed. 

'Signature space' on bitcointalk can also be seen as similar to a space being rented out in other websites/blogs.

Anyway, technicalities aside, renting out signature or selling services to promote something is not that different from what freelancers or self-employed do. Products/Services may be different but both are still generating income. Since it's not specifically stated under the law that it's exempted, the income generated is subject to tax.

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I failed to put this in my previous comment but the 250K treshold isn't limited to income gained under employer-employee relationship. It also applies to online sellers, corporations, freelancers, or self-employed.

Selling signature campaign space? I think what I found is renting signature space, there's a big difference.
I did a little research about selling services and I can't even find similar services with signature campaign.
https://simplicable.com/new/service-business

When we talk about selling signature space, we just need to wear the signature and the transaction is done, and when you are selling, you are the one telling the buyer what you are selling and he buys.

Most of the time it's different, the usual scenario is, there's a new campaign, the manager made an announcement with the rules and the requirement of the campaign, and we are required to apply in order to get accepted, so this is not us selling, it's us applying for the job as it's more than just wearing a signature in our profile since at the same time we are oblige to follow the rules of the campaign which if we fail, we will not get paid even if we are wearing the signature.

Did you missed the part where it says "Except when otherwise provided in this Code". Did you see in the tax code that income from digital ads are exempted?

Let me rephrase that, unless it is stated in the tax code that income from sig campaigns or other digital ads are exempted from law, it is subject to tax.

@plvbob0070 my reponse above also addresses your "siguro dapat may specific" comment.

You are making an assumption that it should fall under under an employer-employee relationship and that's the limitation of your argument.

It may look like that since we are the one "applying" but compensation from digital ads can easily be categorized as income from freelancing or from selling your signature space to other companies (self-employed). Go check the services board and you can see some members with "selling my sig space/avatar or advertise your project/company in my sig" types of posts.

Butting in,  sa tingin ko wala naman problem sa pagdedeclare ng kita dito sa signature campaign, yun nga lang macocompromise ang identity ng account.  

The thing is, we are all resident ng Pilipinas sa board na ito (ewan ko lang kung merong hindi) so bound tayo ng batas na sinasabi ni Bttzed03 na naayon sa  Section 23-A  so walang argument about that.

Ngayon ang binding agreement sa signature campaign na hinahanap ni mirakal.  The binding agreement ay iyong pag-apply sa signature campaign at pagtanggap ng campaign manager sa iyo through post confirming that we are accepted or ang spreadsheet na nakalagay ang pangalan natin na tanggap na tayo.

If ever magkaroon ng sigalot pwede ba tayong magreklamo, of course pwede since we have the evidence which is the Campaign announcement thread, the application post, the acceptance post and the spreadsheet.  Ang hindi ko lang masagot is saan tayo pwede magreklamo, sa Pilipinas ba o sa bansa ng may hawak ng campaign o sa bansa kung saan nakabase ang kumpanya na may-ari ng signature campaign.  Sa isang crime kasi dapat ang kaso ay pinafile kung saan nangyari ang krimen.  Babagsak ang kaso under cyber fraud crime.

Regardless, we have the responsibility to declare our income sa gobyerno, no ifs, no buts, nasa batas yan. at malinaw na malinaw.  Kahit mga freelancer, nagpafile pa rin ng income sa BIR exempted nga lang sila dahil di umaabot sa minimum requirement for taxing.

Again, this is another general law, I think we need to be specific here since we are talking about the 250k threshold in a yearly basis so our income will fall under the compensation income.

So here's the definition of gross compensation income : source


So here's my question, do we have an employer-employee relationship when we are participating in a signature campaign?

If your answer is no, END OF DISCUSSION, if Yes then answer this question.

If there is an employer-employee relationship there should be a contract as the basis of employment, an employer or employee can file a legal action if one contracting party violated the contract.

Now, since I'm currently on a signature campaign, if the manager would fail to pay the agreed compensation, can I sue him/her/it (since we don't know if what we are working with is human or a robot or whatsoever)?

If your answer is yes, HOW?

Siguro dapat may specific na mga halimbawa ng maaaring singilin sa tax or yung mga pasok sa category. Kagaya nga ng sabi nila,  mukhang mahihirapan din ang BIR kung pati itong mga signature campaign ay io-obliga nila na magbayad ng tax. And since marami din ang sakop ng bracket na yun, I don't think kaya nilang ihandle lahat especially kung isasama nila ang decentralized transactions. Parang sa idea pa nga lang na pati online selling ay lalagyan nila ng tax, makakasigurado ba sila na lahat nagbabayad at lahat registered?

Kumpara naman talaga sa mga online sellers at vloggers, mas madaling makilala sino kung nga kumikita ng malaki kasi kilala sila lalo na sa social media. Pero yung related sa crypto, hindi naman madaling matrace ang mga ito dahil na din sa nature nito.

I get where you are coming from.

I also thought the memorandum was originally for e-commerce merchants only but then realized it could also cover all digital earners. It is no longer a question of "maituturing bang business ang blogging at content creation?" when Guballa clarified it na kasama mga digital earners. That is why I was hoping na mag-issue sila ng panibagong memorandum amending the previous one para mas klaro na.

It is within anyone's right naman to challenge it with the court but on what grounds? Vagueness? Expanding the coverage of the memo? Whatever the case, I don't think it will fly. Besides, hindi naman against sa Tax code yung memorandum which requires declaration of income.

If you know someone that would file a case to challenge RMO 60-2020, sabihan mo ako. Gusto ko din sundan yan kung sakali.

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Then what "establish first its legality" are you talking about?

I see, I'd take that as a 'no'.

For every reader's reference, here is what the Philippine Tax Code says:



Regardless kung sa signature campaign ka kumikita or kung saan mang digital platforms, the law is very clear on this. Putting RMC 60-2020 (which covers digital earnings) aside, kung nakatira ka dito sa Pinas at sumasali sa mga sig campaigns, yung income mo dun is taxable under Section 23-A alone. Pero gaya ng sinabi ko at ng iba dito, pwedeng exempted kung 250K and below. Nevertheless, you are still bound by law to declare it.

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I appreciate the discussion here at halata naman magkakaiba ng opinyon but I think we all know the right thing to do. Like I said, the law is clear and it's not a question of "paano nila malalaman?" or to put it more directly, "paano nila ako mahuhuli?". It is up to us now kung susundin natin yung nakasaad sa batas o hindi. I'm pretty sure we are all old enough to know na may equal reaction sa bawat action na gagawin natin.  

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@Maus0728 mailagay mo sana  dun sa OP yung part ng tax code na binanggit ko. Tingin ko halos lahat dito hindi alam yan kaya magandang mabasa din.

I'm not talking about declaration because I would never declare my earning as in the first place I believe that we are not required to pay taxes for our income in signature campaign. If you declare yours then that's good for you, there's no law that prohibits you from doing that.


I don't need to answer that question as like I said, I don't consider my income from signature campaign as taxable income.
Consider the income that we earn from signature campaign as off the books income, it's not necessary to remit it.

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Wala naman sigurong gumagawa yan, kalokohan lang yan kung may mag remit ng income nila from signature campaign.
Ganito kasi yun, kung ang government ay nakikinabang sa atin through our tax remittance, di ba dapat may protection din tayo sa government, so paano yan, kunyare i red tag ang account mo at hindi kana makapag hanap buhay, saang agency ka mag report para mag pa investigate?

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Of course di nila malalaman, pero maari kang mag remit kahit di ka required, di naman tatanggihan ng BIR yan kasi nga pera na yan.
Pero sa totoo lang, walang gumagawa ang niyan dahil malibang nalang kung masyado kang mapag bigay, at ang BIR mayroon sila check and balance na tinatawag..

Kunyare kung ikaw ang isang employee, ang employer mo mismo ang mag dededuct ng tax sa iyo para ibayad nila sa BIR, sila ang tinatawag ang withholding agent, para masiguro na mag remit ka ng maayos.. so sa signature campaign natin, sino ang witholding agent? si yahoo ba or si hhampuz? wala..

Kung sa business naman, dapat may resibo, para may ma check, kung nagbebenta ka, dapat mag issue ka ng resibo na registered sa BIR, kung may resibo may check and balance din.. Sa signature campaign, walang ganyan kaya walang legality ito.. in short NO TAX REQUIRED.



No one is bashing here, gusto ko tong thread na to. may different opinion tayo at klaro namang knowledgeable ang mga nag participate sa discussions.

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SUGGESTION KO SANA kay OP.. PWEDE KANG GUMAWA NG POLL , "MAY TAX BA ANG SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN?" para lang malaman ang boses ng majority.

Wag sana rin nating gawing example ang youtube or anong platform na walang kinalaman sa crypto dahil dapat crypto discussion lang tayo dito.
Sa pagkakaalam ko rin, sa youtube alang ng company ang full name mo dahil requirement yan for monetization, kaya madali kang ma trace.

Once na mapakinggan ko ito sa balita, napa-isip kagad ako kung sakop ba ako nitong balitang ito. Pero na-realize ko din na hindi naman ako aabot/lalampas sa threshold na tinalaga nila.

I'm not well-versed to these kind of things and apologies in advance if my questions sound dumb but I'll put it out anyway. Pano nila malalaman na kumikita ako sa isang signature campaign kung hindi ko naman ito i-dedeclare? Kung lalapit naman sila sa Coins.ph at tingnan yung mga pumapasok na BTC to my account with them, pede ko din namang itanggi na galing yon sa sig campaign.

Again, don't bash me for my questions. These are just my honest questions and I really don't know the answers to them. So others who can give light into these are much appreciated. 

Sa bagay talagang transparent na ngayon kompara sa dati ang mga resulta ng tax money sa ating bansa. Kung may tax implementation sa mga digital ads, dapat isaayos ang mga ito na hindi ma corrupt ng nasa gobyerno. Dapat hindi ma over taxation, para hindi mamulubi ang kumikita kagaya ng signature campaign na karamihan ay umaasa dito lalo na sa panahon ngayun na mahina ang kitaan.

Wala naman akong nakikitang problema kung tayo ay magtatax sa government, katungkulan natin ito dahil nakikinabang din tayo sa resources ng bansa at ng mga mamamayan nito, kung dati nga na kinukurakot lang ang kaban ng bayan ay nagtatax tayo, ngayon pa kaya na nakikita natin na nagsisikap ang gobyerno na maglingkod at pagbutihin ang kanilang serbisyo, oo may mga kapalpakan din sa mga itinalaga, pero ang tignan natin na may puso ito kesa naman sa mga nagdaang admin.

Yes I read the full test of the memorandum circular at nag-quote lang ako sa digest dahil dito lang pwedeng ma-copy and paste ang text kumpara sa full text file which is on an image format.


The memorandum circular still fails to show how bloggers o kaya ang mga content creators ay kasama sa sakop nito sa pagiging business. Ang pagiging merchant or businessman simply requires them to sell goods and services which they aren't doing kung mga sponsorships na extra pwede pa pero yung ad revenue na kinikita nila paano nila ma-explain na business ito kung incentive lang naman sakanila ng mga content websites na ito. Simple lang di sila merchant or business walang kumo-contact sakanila to buy something from them kasi wala naman silang binibenta in the first place. If they were considered as “sole-proprietors” rather than “self-employed” individuals dito pumalpak si Guballa dahil nga hindi naman sila pwedeng i-consider as business in the first place, nabasa ko na din yung article ng Manila Bulletin at similar lang naman yung sinabi dito at yung article ng Yugatech at parehas pa din ang aking sentimento tungkol dito na si Guballa na nag-dadagdag ng mga bagong batas sa memorandum circular kahit hindi naman ito sakop, this alone will give bloggers a chance in court if kasuhan sila ng BIR.

Well, ang tanong dito, --kumikita kaba ng higher 250k PhP per month from signature campaign na dapat mo e-declare? Sa tingin ko wala naman siguro lahat tayo dito may kanya-kanyang trabaho maliban dito sa forum. Ikaw, kusang loob ka bang mag file ng annual Income Tax Returns at sabihin mo na account ko yan nasa bitcointalk at ganito ang kinikita ko per year/month. Sa tingin ko bihira nalang.

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Indeed. Kaya impossible tayo magka tax dito.
End of discussion!

I think agree ako sa mga sinasabi ng mga ibang member dito sa lokal naten, mukang malabo nga na masama pati itong forum naten for taxes, siguro kung masasama pa pati itong forum naten ay dapat masama na rin ang mga million million na websites kung saan pwede rin kumita ang mga Filipino.

I think siguro masmadaling malagyan ng tax ang mga sikat na online websites like facebook,google, youtube etc. ang tingin ko ang mga website na yon ay siguradong magkakaroon ng taxes tulad na lang mga mga youtubes,streamers etc. Pero nakuha din naman namen ang point mo since maraming members ang kumikita ng malaki dito sa forum.

Legality of declaring/filing all your income be it from signature campaigns or other types of digital services? That could form part of no. 3.

My question was "Are you aware that even if you declare your income from signature campaigns, you are not automatically required to pay taxes?". The bolded part wasn't an answer to that.

Just establish first its legality, if there's none, then you are not covered in the particular memorandum as per OP.

This is my answer to your question, I hope it's clear.

@mirakal Before we go any further, let's go back to this:
Are you aware that even if you declare your income from signature campaigns, you are not automatically required to pay taxes? As I said in the previous comment, you'll need to have a taxable net income tax that's higher than 250K before you're required to pay. Don't mistake filing/declaring income with paying taxes.

I am only citing an example here, I know if its required then we have to pay but do you really think all the online earners are paying taxes properly? No, most of them are not because they know that when they got caught, they would not face a serious sanction. Don't expect that anyone from here would honestly remit their income from signature campaign, it's just a micro earning, for me it's silly to remit it when the government does not even have an idea what is signature campaign and what definition it should fall based on OP's post.

Don't worry, government wouldn't  mind us since we don't have a legal contract with our employer.
If I may ask, if we remit this as part of our compensation what company will we put as our employer? and does not employer even recognize us?

Not your real name you can't enter into a legal contract, thus you are not required to pay tax on it as you can't bind mirakal into a contract when mirakal is not a person.

So why do you have to hide it if it's within the tax exempt bracket?

As long as you do it properly, you'll not be easily caught, and besides the earnings in signature campaign is just a small amount, why would we have to pay taxes on it. For example,  at my current campaign, I am earning php2500 per week or php 10,000 per month, but it's not stable as we will not know when it will stop. In tax on compensation, minimum wage earner are tax exempt and I guess I earn less than what the minimum wage earner earn in a yearly basis, so for me, it's not really reasonable.

Refer to the full text of the memorandum instead of the Digest.

It says there:
 
There's vagueness to the above quoted statement but the Deputy Commissioner already came forward and made that more clear for us. Read https://news.mb.com.ph/2020/06/18/bloggers-filmmakers-earning-from-digital-ads-required-to-register-bir/

In that article, it was stated that online merchants/businessmen covers those who are selling both goods and services. Tingin ko naman sapat na yun to explain why bloggers/content creators are covered in the memorandum.

My personal take:
Self-employed individuals were somewhat considered as Sole Proprietors in this case.
I was also hoping they would issue another memorandum to amend RMC No. 60-2020 at idagdag yung mga sinabi niya sa press conference.

Let's not argue the fact that the earnings from our signature campaign can be taxed or not dahil kung lumagpas ka sa tax bracket mo dahil na rin sa earnings mo from the signature campaign eh kailangan mo i-report yan at kailangan mo tuparin ang obligasyon mo magbayad mg tax. Pero yung nakakapagtaka dito is baka mali naman ang understanding ni Commissioner Guballa sa sarili nilang memorandun circular dahil ang kino-cover lang nito is businesses at hindi mga individual.


I've literally read the whole file at wala namang binanggit na apektado dito kung hindi ang mga businesses katulad ng mga online sellers, matanong ko nga kayo kailan pa naging business ang maging “blogger” o “content creator”? Oo kumikita sila dito from various ad revenues at additional sponsorships pero hindi mo naman masasabing “business” ito diba dahil individual ka lang dito. You are eother a self-employed individual o isang free lancer na kumikita ng income. By the definition palang ng “business” hindi na pasok ang isang blogger dito kasi ano namang produkto ang binibenta mo? Diba wala? Ang ad revenue in a sense is yung kita ng mga kumpanya sayo like Youtube allowing you to earn incentives sa pag monetize ng channel mo.  Pag-intindi palang ng business at ad revenue ay mali na ang mga binitaw na salita ni Guballa. Also ang termino na “ad revenue” wasn't even mentioned in the memorandum circular itself so sa tingin ko pinapalawak lang ni Guballa yung sakop ng circular na ito which is wrong.

Palagay ko, very complicated pa sa ngayon para sa ating mga mambabatas kung paano ba nila mahahabol yong mga kasali sa signature campaign dito dahil nga sila mismo ay hindi pa alam ang kalakaran dito.

Very visible kasi yong online selling at you tube blogging kaya napag-initan sila ng gobyerno na i-tax at medyo madali lang tingnan yong mga high earner dyan sa you tube blogging at recognize pa sila di kagaya natin dito sa crypto na medyo "anonymous".

Sa centralized world nga daming nakakalusot na hindi nakokolektahan ng taxes sa decentralised world pa kaya. Tsaka intindihin nalang natin na focus talaga ng government ngayon na makakolekta ng buwis pantapal sa mga ginastos at magagastos pa Covid-19 pandemic which is we don’t kung kailan matatapos ito.

The 250K treshold applies to individuals as well so yes it's possible. You have to keep in mind though that the above 250K refers to taxable net income. Ibig sabihin, gross revenue/income less allowed deductible expenses.

Let's use your example of 6K/week (Approx. 290K/year):

• Kung may deductible expenses na 40K, ang taxable net income ay 250K. Tax to be paid = 0
• Kung sakali man na walang deductible expenses, ang taxable net income ay 40K. Tax to be paid = 8K for 1 year (667/mo or 167/week)

Maybe this is just me but I won't be bothered paying 167 pesos if I am earning 6K on a weekly basis.

But then again, if you use centralized platforms that requires KYC to convert crypto to fiat, wala din silbi ang mga privacy/anonymity tools. Hindi pa naman yata ganun kadami ang mga willing sa P2P trades dahil na din sa seguriddad. Mahirap na, sa kakatago mo sa gobyerno eh madisgrasya ka pa.

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Never be sure kung exempted sa BIR ang pinagkakakitaan mo unless may specific memorandum na nagsasabing exempted nga ito. General rule is lahat ng kinikita natin ay subject to tax.

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Tax evasion though.

wise man said, Do not issue a Receipt so that you will not be Taxed by the government.

Mind Blown.

just saying 

Hindi naman natin siguro kailangan mag worry kung below the bracket yung kinikita natin dito tsaka hindi naman regulated ang kitaan dito sa forum, pero sabi na nga ng BIR pwede parin mag file ITR kung below the bracket man ang kinikita ng isang indibidwal.

Mostly ang target kolektahan talaga ng BIR sa ngayon ay ang mga streaming sites at social media platforms na Billions of pesos na ang kinikita nila alone sa bansa lang natin. Kasama narin ang possibleng obligahin magbayad ng buwis niyan ang mga big time na social media influencers na namamayagpag ngayon sa ibat-ibang platform gaya ng Youtube at Facebook.

If asked by BIR, exchanges can submit our data for verification purpose para na rin gayon ay ma-tax nila kung meron mang mai-tatax sa atin. Hindi matrabaho ang magiging proseso kung readily-available naman ang information sa mga exchange, at ang tanging gagawin na lang ng BIR at ng gobyerno ay gumawa ng request letter for such information. Exchanges are expected to comply in these types of situations since hindi naman sila protektado ng bank secrecy law.


Any form of activity done which nets a person some profit is subject to taxation, provided na na-reach mo yung lower limit nung tax bracket. If not, hindi mo naman kailangang magbayad. In my case, I earn less than 20k a month from signature campaigns, at kung imu-multiply mo ito sa 12 months, less than Php 240,000 lamang ito kaya ligtas pa ako sa maaaring gustong gawin ng BIR na 'wag naman sana nilang iimplement.

Parang malabo naman na masilip pa ng BIR ang sig camp participants dito kasi di naman karami ang kumikita sa ganitong online income parang extra income na lang ito kung tutuusin kahit pa siguro sa malaki ang bayad like chipmixer talo pa manager ang sahod hehe pero sa tingin ko mahihirapan silang makakuha ang buwis lalo kapag crypto ang involve mahirap i-trace yan sa dami ng ng-oonline business ngayon mahihirapan lang sila diyan.

I'm not sure kung madadamay 'yong mga signature participants pero sa tingin ko naman hindi. We're livin' in a principle of anonymity here ika nga nila. Dunno how they're going to find out this thing though saka ang complicated kasi 'di naman permanent 'yong ibang signature campaign, and problem agad 'yan if natapos then wala na maipambayad, right?

Kung maku-question man siguro baka ang pagdudahan is 'yong mga local exchange at mga accounts don like kung saan nanggagaling 'yong pera. Sorry sa noob answer 

Kaiirita pa naman 'yang tax na 'yan pero need rin naman ng bansa natin sa kabilang banda  .

Halos lahat na lang i-tax nila, kagaya ng US nga ang crypto is already subjected to tax. Although hindi tayo mag wo-worry to be taxed if our annual income is below P250,000, kailangan pa rin mag file ng quarterly tax report at gumastos pa tayu lage para sa accountant. At anytime yung regulated wallets like Coins.PH, Abra and PDAX would enforce user accounts to comply with the taxes.

Anu pa kaya if they are going to tax us for crypto trading at pag receive ng airdrops at bounty hunting, in which napakataas yung market volatility ng Bitcoin at ng cryptocurrency market. Siguro one common reason na bakit ganun na sila is due to this pandemic, and we are suffering economic losses na. Yung utang ng Philippine government masyado na ka laki para lang awayin ang COVID-19.

BIR would not know if we are earning income in signature campaign as we are not employees with the business we are promoting.
In short, there is no employer-employee relationship and we don't even know that businesses whom we work with signature campaign are abiding with the tax laws in their countries.

There is no need to worry, though the general rule is to pay taxes when you earn, but if you can hide it, then why pay.
Besides, signature campaign is not a job, it's only a privilege, anytime they can stop the campaign, they can do it without violating our rights as we don't have any. lol..

Also, how would they know me, I'm mirakal here but in real life, do they know me?

I don't think they can tax all those participants of Signature campaign since this is a decentralized market and its hard for BIR to collect our datas (matrabaho ito). If the digital ads will be taxed, then I'm sure hinde tayo kasama doon so wag muna magpanic. Though maari tayong magkaroon ng income tax thru this market pero mukang malayo pa tayo sa ganoong sitwasyon.

Besides, yung ginagawa naten is hinde naman negosyo and we can't register since di nga tayo business. Pero wag paren tayo syempre magpakampante and if magkaroon man ng batas, ay mas mabuti nang sumunod kesa mag karoon pa ng problema later on.

Greeting Everyone,

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