Topic: Economy re-start 2020 in process 2025 crash (Read 1326 times)

Man, do I hope that it's going to be the case for USD, that would mean that the US government will lose about half of it's influence if it ever goes down, lots of people would celebrate but I have to tell you this OP, US dollar won't go down so easily, of that I'm sure because as I've said, the US government has the influence right? Which means that they're going to want to keep that power and influence so they'll do everything that they can to keep that power and influence for themselves, look at the news about the seizures of a lot of these crypto wallets and mixers, they don't like the idea that other countries especially the rouge ones getting ahead with their dollar accumulation and so the US try their best to get all of them.

Maybe this should be moved over to the speculation section, but even that might be generous because you haven't actually analysed or given any real insight into why you think that 2025 will be a bad year. Covid 19 was still rampaging back in 2020 and we are barely back on track when it comes to fixing supply chains that were disrupted by it, and then the Russian war had a similarly equal effect. It's almost pointless trying to make such wild and doomsday type opinions, because 2025 is expected to be much brighter compared to previous years. Inflation has been steadily falling in most advanced economies, so you seem way off track with your wild prediction and it doesn't actually reflect reality.

Since the covid epidemic of March 2020, the economy has suffered a huge loss across the world. However, even though the developing countries have returned to a normal position in the economy, the less developed countries are still facing various problems. LDCs face problems such as rising production costs and resulting inflation.
Russia, Ukraine, violence, inflation, the whole world is on fire, especially the less developed countries. LDC governments and the general public play a special role in inflation, as it is caused by bad bureaucrats at the top of the government.

It's not just this year when price of everything has gone up. After the first year of pandemic, everything rose and when the war of Ukraine and Russia started, things have gone up.

And with all of the rumors of wars that we're hearing today and happening, it is going to add more impact to the prices of everything.

It's a global issue and everything is going to rise for more and that's why if there's a reset of economy, it has already restarted but on a higher price already for most commodities.

Inflation is having a bad effect on the economy of many countries. Economic pressure has come from high global commodity prices high import inflation and supply chain disruptions. But the United States is not the only country feeling the pressure with countries rich and poor all struggling to recover from the fallout from the pandemic and war in Ukraine. as countries like Sri Lanka begin to turn around from the brink of economic collapse the economies of other countries will be spared from the negative effects.

I don't understand your purpose in saying this, but if you just want to talk about the increase in prices of goods that are often consumed by many people. I think this has been happening since last year because economic conditions have not been stable globally so that difficult conditions have been felt by all people to this day. And this certainly will not be easy for any government to handle, except for us, who must be willing to improve in trying to get more income in order to fight the increase in prices of goods.

And what exactly is "true" from these set of predictions?



These two can not coexist and they are not directly proportional to each other. If inflation is skyrocketing then so does loans. It will be much more difficult to get loans due to the poor state of the overall economy.


I do see people are starting to speculate about the collapse of the US dollar and it seems that every day the chance of this happening is greater however I do not see it happening as early as next year.

 

I see that it is true that loans will be cheap, the economy will experience high inflation, but at the beginning of this year, you can feel that the prices are increasing, not an increase, but a movement in prices that continues to increase, so it is possible that next year it will be even worse, from the background of this speculation, it might be like that with Thinking far ahead, it seems like predicting is much more good,

Wow and now it look like another true prediction

It's like before covid things were good, and covid ruined everything, after this we can trust governments that they will be a let to bring back everything like it was!? Did I understand you good?
But I don't think we had a good situation before, for sure we don't have a good situation now! Retuning to some positions is not something good. This virus and entire situation is just a proof how this system is full with holes, and how governments locked entire nations with brain washing campaigns everywhere just to mask their agendas. From crash to crash, to idiotic speeches from many officials, if we don't change something they will continue to do the same. Decentralisation and equality is what we need, not new Trumps and other old dirth bags to tell us what is good and bad just for their own benifie while others are their slaves, living on the edge of poverty.

I see now that we are in a war situation, right now the weapon is not a weapon, a bomb or a missile, but the weapon is a virus (biological weapon). But the Corona Virus has become something out of control, so for Trump the hope of celebrating hitting China ends up being a tragedy for America.

America will continue to be a country that must have enemies and will be active in the war. Because without war the mainstay products of the United States will not sell in the market. The American Weapon Industry makes a major contribution to state revenue. No war no income for America.

As the world pendulum changes, the battlefield shifts from the middle east to the South China Sea and the Korean peninsula. The shift was caused by the shifting of human dependence from crude oil to a renewable energy source, namely batteries

Well, war is expensive but at the same time, it's a good way to launder money for governments. In overall countries' economy goes down but some people make money so war meets their interests. Don't tell me that it's otherwise and some persons personal interests do nothing here.
But as for now, why to war with a gun when you can have an economic war? That looks more humane for people cause there isn't direct physical damage.
Also, it's not beneficial for anyone right now to start a war because of the overall development of military techniques. Nine countries have nuclear weapons, can you imagine what will happen if any of them use it against each other? Big booom.
Right now the cold war is trending. No more military wars, they learnt from it.

^ Definitely right, I am positive on the first two statements mentioned by the OP that we will have an economy restart and loans will be cheaper since we already on economic recession then after the pandemic it will be a new start for every economy and loans will be cheaper that will be given for we will undergo to an economic restart. Besides, I have read an article about perpetual loans among the governments though I am not in favor of this since it will become a burden for a borrower forever which we probably look like a cheaper loan being offered now that may also be implemented on an individual for his new beginning after the recession. Nevertheless, on the statement about the end of the USD and everything will collapse in 2025 that I can only consider as speculation since we cannot jump into conclusion without a thorough study about it.

If USA is not able to bring back stability on their economy and printing more money compared to other countries then they might lose their reserve currency status and clash with China will make the things worse to economy still they got the power to bring back everything into position, lets see how long this covid exists on that only the future of USA where highly dependent on, especially the president election.

I think that US has lost the status of super power county, they are not anymore what they used to be. Besidrs, they are other countries that are growing, both in political and economy way.
Situations like this pandemic just show how fragile countries and their economies are and how easily everything can change and fall down. How long will iit take to rise again, that is the question and not only for US.

I agree that the economy will restart in 2020, this is due to the pandemic corona. Then loans will be very cheap, although some people are happy
hear that. But it is better if it is not urgent, lest we don't take loans from banks, because with current conditions not easy to make money. Later
we will have difficulty paying installments to the bank. And what's scary is that inflation will go up high, and consequently the government will raise
taxes. But I do not agree that the year 2025 will be collapsed, because there is no related evidence for that matter.

I don't think 2008 can be comparable to what is happening this 2020
 because this year almost all the reserve of each
 countries has being released to sustain the needs of their people
 by supporting them from foods ,medical and
 financial assistance that has nothing to expect back ,i mean government
 will need to find ways after this pandemic on
 how they will cover all those spent amount while many businesses will
 surely closed as the effect of this.so the
chance of restarting will happen now ,but of course we cannot be sure
 unless time comes.

The powerful can manipulate the economy for sometime by stimulus packages and if they are not able to control the inflation then it will be an huge affect and everything comes crashing down, this time the economic impact is really huge than in 2008 and how much can a government bail, the help always goes to the big corporate companies while the medium and small companies will always suffer.

As mentioned, it is a circus for a very long time, the big corporate companies will fund these politicians to win the election and in turn when they reach the power they will help them and write off pending loans and other favors.

Well I don't believe that economy can be restarted. What happened in 2008, what is happening today is that governments and banks are trying to plug the holes. For how long they can do that!? Not for long, if you ask me! And people are sick from bailing out big ones, while little ones stay down. To me politics, economy are become a comedy, I laugh every time I watch TV and some politicians, experts and the things they talk have no logic for me. We need changes, but for that changes we need more than changing the economy, we need to change entire system!

This is made possible by the motivation of arousing the excitement of public spending which is a pillar of the economy in the real sector. The government has indeed provided stimulus in the form of easing credit quality assessments and credit restructuring, but banks are expected to be proactive in identifying their debtors who are affected by the Coronavirus spread so that debtors can still meet their daily needs.


Credit growth slowed and disrupted banking and non-banking performance in addition to an increase in LDR and NPL rates.


Loan interest will be high because of the balancing or patching process of reduced income and high budged government given credit relaxation and restructuring only companies affected by corona and in the form of interest subsidies, delays in principal payments, or granting additional credit.

In Indonesia, the Indonesia Eximbank Export Financing Institution raised lending rates to 8% from the previous 6% amid a pandemic on the pretext of adjusting financing interest rates selectively for debtors with specific criteria and will be reviewed periodically in accordance with the latest market and economic conditions.

How can you ensure that loans are cheap?
The situation is pretty unstable and banks have problems with liquidation due to the coronavirus pandemic.
The interest rates will be higher than expected eventually and the economy is going to be slowed down...

Market for 2020 has already crash and also considering this will be a long time we will take to recover with their virus so we can easily expect some more downfall in coming months. Firstly we will have to think how we will be able to overcome this fall and how much years it will take now to recover and be back fully functional like 2019.

If that happens, I hope that we can be ready so we don't get the effect of the crash so we can survive in another hard situation. If the crash is happening in a small country, then I don't think that the other country will get the effect too. But if the crash is happening in the big country, then the other countries will get the effect, and it can trigger the big crash that can happen in many countries. But 2025 is still far from now, and we have much time to prepare if that will happen later.

 this is a one crazy speculation   . first off , the loans  .  if i am a lender i wont lend money to someone that has a bad recored before because chances that he will repeat the same mistake again  but idk to some maybe some will risk if they have a really good heart   .  second ,  why you think all will collapse on the year 2025  ?  we are now on the year 2020 and 2025 is just a few step away so more chances that situation will not be far  from today  . laslt , dollar is ofc will be there   .  maybe it need more years to be able for dollar or any other fiat to disapear and replaced by cryptos

I tend t agree with you, can't see where its coming from.
Moreover  I don't think that US banks will Make the same mistake as they did 12 years ago - I believe there will be a concrete bottom for loan prices so they can't go unrealistically low

US will find ways this super power country will take every opportunities to stay in top, the economy might suffer but for sure there's always solution for them as they have enough resources and if in case that they needed to force something it's not hard for US to decide.
Though we see that every countries that being hit are really suffering and it's needed longer time to rebuild back.

I don’t think the United States is the largest in the world and they will crash into the economy in 2025. It is never possible I don't know what you think, but the United States or any other country will not crash during this crisis. Everyone is suffering from the economic problems of his own country It will take a long time to get started It will not happen again until the crisis is over.

Are you seriously? USA is the biggest in the world and USA & your alliances still lead our world. Now is too early to say that the USA will fall because of some economic indicators

I don't know what will happen in 2025, so you said in 2025 market will get the crash. Can you explain why its possible, what the reason you just said like that? I know market crash can happen, and it will repeat again and again.

Probably the economy could lead to that due to currently unsolved crisis.

Wild predictions, but it could possibly happen if another world war will occur but lets not hope so. Instead lets pray for the best in the world to overcome the current situation, no more leader greeds or war.

I guess as it always happens - people will follow the combination of multiple solutions due to disunity of actions
this could potentially prolongate the affect of covid and quarantine

It is very doubtful that this could happen. Yes, one of the scenarios for overcoming the crisis is to stimulate the economy through loans, but I don’t think that they will be distributed to everyone, yet it will not be very smart. And the government must understand this.

Yes its not looking good my friend for the future, we might not seeing inflation right away but it will come with all this money that they are printing. I suspect that we will see hyper inflation which is scary but all we can do is try and prepare with gold and silver, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Even if there will be a digital dollar I still think that Bitcoin will do well as its the people's coin and it will be like gold but in digital terms.

The financial reset in the last century was in 1924. Maybe history will repeat and there will be another financial reset in 2024?

Fact is, their system is not sustainable. A system based in debt will sooner or later crash. And this crash will be much worse than the one from 2008. First, you have the coronahoax, spreading fear and panic across markets. Then, you have lockdowns of economies, followed by massive unemployment, and bailouts for big corporations.

It would make sense if people take those government incentives and put it on crypto. But most people live from paycheck to paycheck. However, if merchants revolt against the STATE and open their shops, violating the unreasonable lockdowns, and start accepting crypto, things might turn in our favor.

Its a good thing that people are waking up to the hoax already. I read that there are thousands of posts in facebook talking about Bill Gates vaccines. These vaccines let half a million children in India paralyzed. It is said these vaccines have nanochips which could track people using 5G waves.

Fortunatelly people are being aware of these schemes. Hopefully some will revolt and go back to work, and will accept crypto in defiance to the STATE.

That is without a doubt going to be problematic, if there is one thing that economist as a whole fear more than anything is a depression which is why they keep printing money, which is why I think a new great depression will be the end result of all of this but during the middle of the crisis we are going to see hyperinflation and then most paper money will lose any value as it has happened in many countries in the past, then some countries may try to back their currencies with gold but it will be too late and an economic depression will happen, I just hope that bitcoin does well during that turmoil so we do not have to suffer the consequences of the mismanagement of the economy.

I was thinking a reason would be given for such assumption but since there was none, I want to say it might be a very hard task to do. All nations are down with corona virus and they are all busy trying to find solution, no one is looking at the currencies now except op has a reason.

The onset of the global economic crisis in the near future is inevitable and this crisis will lead to large inflation. However, crisis and inflation are not only evil. Indeed, the world economy will be overloaded because of this and this will also create good prerequisites for its further development. Therefore, bad events always have something good. And we will be able to observe for the first time how Bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrencies will behave during the global economic crisis. Let's hope that the cryptocurrency market will benefit from this.

its better if u put the reason why you say something like this , somehow this look like nonsense for me especially when u say US$ will collapsed with no reason

Well the IMF has now come out and said that world will most likely go into a great depression which isn't good. Many poor countries will get hit the hardest and may take decades to recover. They are trying to keep the world out of depression by printing money but this won't work forever and it won't work for smaller countries so its going to be dark times coming for us all. I don't see this happening right away but as I said in my previous post, I believe it will take a year or two so in 2021-2022.

At my perspective, many economies are going to crash especially those that are in the third world country, many are dying and many lose their jobs and there is no answer til now, of course, we can recover but we need to get a vaccine first, things are uncertain now because there are so many casualties, we are in a surviving mode right and we are still looking for hope.

If the virus keeps spreading in this uncontrollably pattern without a therapy to combat it an economic depression is almost inevitable, however I am seeing some economists saying that the recession we are facing is already worst than the Great Depression and I find that to be ridiculous since we are nowhere near those levels, however if governments lose control of the economy it is entirely possible we could get there and if anything this should be a lesson for governments around the world, there are many countries in a bad shape already and if an economic depression comes they will be the most affected by it which points out the importance of trying to maintain a healthy economy no matter the costs.

The effects of this virus will not be as bad as most fear... we'll be paying for it for a while two years tops then everything will be back to normal with a huge black hole of debt swirling around every piece of already printed money on the planet, that's if Libra doesn't swoop in and take control first and provide every newly digitally ID'd global citizen with the services they need most and share the generous donations from their hugely wealthy and resourceful partners (only real competition = Amazon)

We started? you mean it started right? because no one really wants it. I think the OP's basis for the big crash on 2025 is the effects of pandemic in the long run, see it for yourself, if this goes longer than we anticipate it now government will go bust since there are no tax coming in and budget is going off then there will be a world bank knocking on our door offering a loan that will take years for us, citizens to pay. Most devastated countries like Italy, USA and Spain are the most likely to have a recession in the future if this pandemic continue to get serious.

It is, for now but we will not know unless we are taking a serious hit also coming from the world, we may not see it now but soon we will feel it too.

Good to know that someone also calculated the end of dollar I think in the same way as you did. That year will be a spark of the new revolution and change of power.

Do not worry about economy getting worse as much as what happened a century ago, we are in a more technological way and there are lot more people on earth that can do a lot more stuff so right now even with hyper inflation, even with inflation and even with everything going worse, we are going to live and survive this instead of actually dying from it.

Technology helps us a lot and we are basically in a situation where people can manufacture stuff with insane speed, hell even machines build machines these days, so we can actually have a self sufficient world just for survival needs with bare minimum amount of people working, the trouble is, will we be capable of doing that and help everyone survive or will the rich try to take that power from us so that they can keep their wealth.

Right the rates are Low.....
But imagine If they the intrest rates will go Up??

Then all this fiat currenchy de-valuation story will turn Around.

Just hold cash cash is king always

We started the new recession this year but I don’t know your basis for a big crash on 2025 where every country will rise again after this pandemic. The dollar will stay even if its facing a big challenge right now, but of course it will give a good chance for bitcoin to take the market and people will be informed about it. The future is still bright for cryptohodlers, and if you predict this one then you must be ready for that.

I think we are heading towards another great depression but this time around its going to be a lot worse as there is a lot of currency being printed around the world and there is no doubt that we will see inflation and even hyper inflation. The scary thing is that the world could go into the dark ages but I'm hoping that it doesn't go that far but it is a possibility. I'm thinking that it could happen in 2022 so I think we still have time to prepare for when this comes, gold and silver seems to be the best way to go and also stock pile food and also have some Bitcoin stored on a hardware wallet just in case.

I agree, what we have seen so far is not anywhere near a collapse but it was a very important setback for the economy and we are going to see even more of it during the next months, what we must do is to prepare in the case it comes and that means avoiding debt as much as possible and if possible buy assets that could do well during a crisis or that at least can maintain most of their value if the economy goes down, however anyone that was in a bad economic shape before this most likely is not going to have the opportunity to take steps to protect himself and will suffer greatly during the economic crisis we will go through.

This is the first time i am hearing the term cosmetic economy  . You cannot claim that the economy has collapsed already, we might see a collapse in the near future and the situation is like that when the entire world is paused because of the pandemic and how each and every government try to sort the issues determines how the market will be next year.

Or maybe we are in the process of crashing. lol. With the events that is happening to the crypto, massive adoption, high recognition to be an alternative for this time, I guess that would conclude the
future that we are getting a rise after a couple of months after the halving. The market movement is indeed unpredictable, it is always been, but the time now is not as it was like a few years ago. The only smart move to do now is to hold, nothing beats the holding strategy and sell in the right time.

If stable coins been minted  a lot and stable coins holders accumulating Bitcoins  at one point there will be demand for btc high....  But as many accumulaters have a lot coins they will sell it.


The big Bitcoin selling will be end of this month.

No one knows on when will be the exact time for bitcoin to start rising or maybe crashing down. Because no one can control the market price of bitcoin. I think it is only a conclusion because even the most experienced person in crypto cannot predict the price of bitcoin. So i think rising and crashing is unpredictable bitcoin is really high on volatility.

I agree!

In 2008 there was a over-credit crisis due to house loans that can't be maintained.

New we're facing the same crisis situating with unmaintainable loans but in the business industry (retail, services, hotels etc) so the consequences of this will last for a very long time.

2020 has not restarted yet we can term it has restarted only after some time of this virus containment as they are many possibilities that the system can collapse after some time like default by some companies or job loss of several people they can't just restart the economy as we restart our system. It will take some time

The world economy has crashed already what we now have is a cosmetic economy. The real game players know it's game over and they are already buying tangible asset while they leave the dead economy for they who are not financially literate. Robert T. Kiyosaki already advised who cares to buy Silver, gold and bitcoin as we will see inflation in the coming days.

Indeed Q1 2020 has just ended with the certainty that many countries will fall into recession due to budget easing to resolve the corona pandemic. Especially developing countries because of debt maturity, dollar pressure whose value is stronger and dependence on other countries, especially imports.

In Q2 and Q3, it is certain that the majority of countries entered a recession marked by an imbalance between production and consumption, slow economic growth and even slumped for two consecutive quarters, high inflation or deflation, high unemployment. No matter how strong a country's economy, it could have a weak spot. When the weak point is hit, inevitably or unprepared, the country will experience sluggishness and decline called the economic recession.

The economic reset process requires something large and spectacular to close the war so that wallstrapping and printing money can run smoothly. In addition to resetting the global economy, each country also has the opportunity to do economic resetting with the aim of improving economic conditions that will be seen two to four years after the pandemic ends.

If the United States can do unlimited quantitive easing to overcome the corona pandemic, why don't other countries dare to do it. It must also be remembered that in the midst of the US corona outbreak had already set traps for Chinese partners aimed at hitting China as well, namely the crossing of 24 countries on the list of developing countries by America which would certainly be a stumbling block when exporting goods to America.

We know that a collapse is coming but we do not know when it will happen, all kind of people have been predicting the economy is going to fall at some point and the system is going to crash and despite the terrible numbers we are seeing the economy is still in place, it is better to not put a date to it and just prepare in the case it happens, the best thing to do is to avoid debt because as you say most likely the standards to get credit will go down again and anyone will be able to indebt themselves for life if they want and suffer the consequences later when there is hyperinflation.

Corona its not about corona.
There was planned Economic re-start.
Corona is just excuse.

Economy was about pop the bubble..
New money You can always print out... But Good luck to find People who Want it.


Now They Want it.

Economy will start like it was 2008.
Crypto will Go to More then Moon not just Moon but mars.... Lol


Wallstreet is on crypto  Secretly now..
. Everything will be silemced now Even news are quiet.....  Until Sudeenly economy is Ready to Go.



All over europe the big trucks loads of cash piles are moving in to banks.


Everything is getting ready for re-start Economic boom!!

I disagree, even though there is a sudden crash in the price of Bitcoin when the corona virus started, we could see these past days have been a great sign for the recovery of the market. People in a quarantine, is a catalyst for the Bull run this year. After the pandemic is over, impending demand from the consumers would be freed up; surging up through the market that will cause the prices of the stock market to blow, and will change the course of the bearish market.

True. In developing country like India there is already an announcement regarding NO-Repayments for next three months on EMI's, Loans or any debts that has been laid on people across India.

The notice came in effect from the Reserve Bank of India through Prime Minister.

Looking at this event, there are many majors that will be taken by all the governments.

I dont know the basis of USA governance but surely that wouldn't be any different than this.

 any solid proof with these claims huh op  ?  how can you  say that 2025 will be the end of the dollar   ? so many years past after the invention of it but until now dollar was still booming  therfor i dont believe that itl be gone soon   . or you mean to say itll be gone because itll be replaced by digital currencies like btc's  ?  well thats a nice view but still i dont think that will happen  . and whats the connection of loans here ?  i dont get it . maybe because of the current situation  ?  that people needs money  but how can people pay it when they dont also have a job right now   ? govts should rather help lend out free goods than on loans

If US Dollar would collapse this Coronary Virus hit economic would have  show us where the world is turning to but most of the currencies has drooped against USD, even some as high as 20%. The demand for USD is increasing and emerging market is suffering as a result of capital flight and demand for USD, the Sterling and Euro have even suffer greatly and there is no demand at all for Chinese Yuan. I don't see USD losing its dominance this decade.

Why need five years to restart for world economic? I think many countries have bigger support and become easy to recovery how bad situation right now, like United State have bigger power and higher technology to support their country get back well soon, although today United State become most people get corona virus in the world.

To re-  start economy it will be  2020.
This year!!
This month
And by June we will turn Back to normal life this year 2020

More and more predictions state that the present situation around the globe is just a beginning. The entire world is gonna experience a big crash by the falling year. This year was marked to be big year for economic uplifting, but the corona virus has changed everything upside down. Even our bitcoin was marked to reach much higher value, and now there is not much of discussion regarding the same. Maybe the crash continues upto 2025 and further begins a fresh start of the economy.

At present China is back into their normal life with all their people started to go out for their daily routine like working,schooling,etc.Even wet market in Wuhan open for people to now to enjoy the exotic animals again which created a debate between other nations with China for opening the market since we all believe that is the place where this corona outbreak started.

Many people say that the Chinese state will be devastated by the economic or industrial market due to the corona virus. Many also conclude that this corona virus is able to cripple China easily and the United States will lead the world in its trade, but it is all wrong to see China is now increasingly recovering from this pandemic they are able to ward off a few viruses even though there is no vaccine yet and cities from China have started that activity meaning that China will start again with a new economy that is even crazier able to whether other countries rival China in the trade industry? including the United States.

The fact that coronavirus has spread around the world in the present time is expected to be one of the major threats to our current world economy, and it has also caused a variety of allergy problems and for that reason it is completelyEconomically, Crisis has begun to appear, but it is likely to last a long time, but it will take a long time to get out and may be more than one to two years ahead

American is doing everything possible to make sure the power does not slip out of their hand. Take, for instance, The president of the United State, President Donald Trump has been making a statement as regards to this coronavirus outbreak and even calling the virus 'the Chinese virus'. There has been news that the Chinese intentionally makes this virus as a means of taking over the world power

United States is not that bad as you have painted it. I agree that the cost of living might be high but you can compare it to other countries such as the United Kingdom. Getting job isn't that difficult also when you have paper and qualified and of course, we all know during the time of recession, loan are easy to get but how about paying back. Things will be expensive and people will not be able to afford essential needs

China is getting themselves prepared to be a superpower of this world after this corona season ends.We can't say there is be an economy crash soon because of we are already at 2020 and we might take time to get recover from this which will be atleast two or more years so how can we expect the collapse real soon after that.

Loans are is even free as this moment because the federal reserve already adjusted the interest rates to 0%. Which means you can borrow money without having to pay the interest.
Although when storing your money is banks you'll get no increase of value and worse if they push the negative interest rates. Then you will have to pay them for putting your money in the banks.

Why you are talking about 2025? And economy may restart only in 2021

I will wait for that, but I hope that the war is not happening because I don't think people will survive and I am sure that all people will suffer. The effect if the big war happens will be damage all countries because if you say Trump will go all in, that means, he will use all of the weapons including biological weapon to win the war. I can not imagine what will happen in all countries if that is really happening. Human now becomes greedy and want to take all things in this world without thinking about other people.

of course, requires recovery time after the outbreak is resolved. and I don't think the market can react right away. but with the development, it becomes a green light that the economy will improve again, and many investors will begin to invest their capital for economic recovery and make a profit

How do you know about this? Is it your own opinion? Or got from an article / a video?
It is true that we are in crisis currently but I'm not sure if we will face an economy re-start. We still have a chance to recover the global economy after Covid-19 spreads totally over. Every country will have its own way, some may take loans but others probably struggle with their own resources. So, not all countries will rely on loans or debts.

What's your strong proof/reason for this prediction?
You are truly spreading FUDs by saying "everything will be collapsed".
Will our life be collapsed as well? lol  

How would you be sure that the restart of the world would guarantee that loans and monies borrowed would be repaid?
At a restart would, we are still going to have inflation as we do now because the old system will just give bath to the new one.

The workers' dream of a war in Afghanistan that did not bring benefits to America but the loss and the emergence of the shale oil industry in America was one of the reasons why the United States left the Middle East.

What war do you mean between the Houthis and the Saudi troops? I think that Saudi Arabia is now trying to get out of this war because it costs a lot, especially when the price of crude oil drops due to the price war between MBS and Putin, Saudi Arabia is tightening its budget.



The conflict in the Middle East is indeed long-lasting. Internal factors causing the dispute are, the differences in multiethnic interests between Arab countries and nations, longing for the glory of the Arabs in the past resulted in ongoing disputes in this region. The struggle for control of the oil bunker in the Middle East world has further worsened the condition of who knows how long. In addition, the invitation of other countries to enter into conflict as an alliance, so that foreign interference in the politics and economics of the Middle East further aggravates the atmosphere.

A large amount of oil resources in the middle east makes the dispute never end. But the source of crude oil will increasingly decrease, and developed countries will begin to target countries with renewable energy sources. The climate of war will change at this time along with the aggressiveness of China to master 5G technology and batteries so that China explores and invests heavily in nickel and lithium mines. China now wants to be the king of the world's batteries, so China uses countries in Asia as its proxy in controlling Ni and Li in the world and so that other countries do not have access to battery raw materials.

The wars in the Middle East continue throughout history, here's a link to those that have happened in the last 120 years List of modern conflicts in the Middle East. Stop frightening people with your non-documented speculation, and give yourself time to try to understand world politics, especially the one coming from the USA. Trump is not crazy about starting the war in the election year, in time of COVID-19 crisis and the global economic meltdown. If you didn't know, wars are expensive and it's not in anyone's interest to start something so expensive right now.

Are you kidding me with little joke when you said economy crash in 2020 and will process restart in 2025, how come you are and brave to say like this. I know economic get crisis with corona virus but I think just few weeks later every thing will back soon and economic world become better and back to normally.

Are you sure it will just be the USD ?
One might not realize it right now but many banks hold the share of USD so that they are able to balance out the rate of their own local currencies.
If the USD collapse so will the other currencies , it might not be that sharp but it will be there ,
At the same time remember that if we are talking about a economic restart , banks won't have money to give anyways , the government is genuinely asking banks for help , other countries are donating equipments , it is a havoc . Good thing they are working together , the collapse might just not be something all countries working together have a problem with.
Pandemic taught them team spirit.

Let me add one More Thing.
There will be War in Middle east.
Give a 1-2 months from Today!  And War will start in Middle east Trump will go all in.


Perhaps now you guys dont doubt

I think I like the caption of the thread, the restart part. Maybe we are actually going to have some sanity, unification and proper global economic integration after this health challenge that the world is facing in the name of corona virus. This has really brought hardship in the global economy. I'm sure some loan would be inevitable after this health crisis.

@avikz the initial part is correct as loans will indeed get cheaper, but I don’t expect defaulters to get loan that easily considering banks won’t like to give more loans to people who have already defaulted on their existing debts. Lastly the US part is absurd and the op has no proof to back his statement, except that he’s created a vivid imaginative scenario in his mind and now he’s believing it to be true.

Source:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/15/21180834/fed-slashes-interest-rates-what-does-it-mean-mortgages

I do not know when the restart is about to actually begin but we need to restart already. This has became as dangerous as 2008 levels and this time around we do not have the printing approval neither and inflation would basically kill all the world this time around.

Last time it happened all the nations who got "saved" basically just did that by becoming a lot poorer countries, Spain is not a rich country, Italy is not, Greece is not, we are talking about the whole eastern bloc and also turkey, none of them are richer right now than 2008, they are a lot worse because they were basically paying loans and debts and still haven't finished it.

Now, if they get any worse and the world economy crashes once again, nobody is saving them, they are one step closer to becoming Venezuela.

The results will be less and less currencies will survive.
Euro is in crisis coz of bubble have popped... This time the whole euro zone problem was released in Italy b4 it was creece.....

It is the inflation that scares me the most, I mean having cheap loans are great and all but I am not entirely sure if you could have both of them at the same time. If you have cheap loans and have high inflation, that kinda means savings should pay more as well since inflation is high, so what are people gonna do, take out loans and put them in the bank? I doubt that could ever happen and no bank would ever do that.

So, it will be either high inflation or cheap loans, if it is cheap loans that is great but if it is high inflation it will be horrible since the price of everything is already quite expensive and with the way it is around the world right now we are not making enough money to live properly as the number of middle class gets lower and lower and number of poor people increases.

Why do you think the current financial market is ponzi? What similarities do they have? When you are talking about replacement, what is the viable option you see?

Today world economic have been crash with Corona virus and many countries have stopped for export and import their product to some country like China, now United State have lock down their country and never give permission for people from Europe, Asian for entering in their country.

Financial ponzi is not sustainable for ever!!
When one ponzi is crashing then other ponzi will replace it. 
Current Financial ponzi is Old not sustainable anymore!

What is the background of such speculation? I agree with your initial statement where you said that inflation will be high and loans will be cheaper. We have already started seeing that trend and majority of the Central Banks are gearing up to reduce the basic lending rate. This situation is called stagflation. Ideally, when inflation is high, lending rate goes costlier to tackle it. But what is happening currently is called stagflation and it's not easy to get out of this scenario.

However, I don't get the background of your statement when you say that everything will collapse in 2025. What triggered such thought?

United State is very sicked country, I can’t never think of a country with cost of living that’s so unreasonable, I think it’s very expensive to travel to the State, even the fly ticket is crazy, the only thing that we can think of United State is the porn industry they are leading, United States is the world leader in producing porn in every impossible sex positions and in every impossible hentai plot, we travel to United State to enjoy their first class porn services. Other than the porn, the country has nothing else to be proud of. Not the food, not the education, not the job opportunity, not the shale oil, not the English language, not the rocket science they preached, not the liberty statues that they build.

Cheap loans for everyone, inflation and etc. - That happened in 2008. The history repeats itself. But I'm shocked that these bad signs appeared so soon.

We will have economy re-start.
Loans will be cheap and Everybody even with Bad poor credit history will Get the loans Again.

Inflation will hit to sky!


But year 2025 Everything will be collapsed.

The Year 2025 is end of the USA dollar!