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Topic: Eight Years Ago: US-NATO Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine (Read 352 times)

legendary
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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.
There is a very simple and reliable ethical test to determine who is on the light side of the force in this story, and who is on the dark side - the attitude towards captives.

Yeah! that's one thing to be sure about and the way they handle the civilians that are not really hostile towards them. I believe if they only want to take over Ukraine from Zelensky they won't hurt the civilians and to be fair I don't want to believe what the mainstream media says about them because they might only report biased news but we need to get some stories from the civilians themselves if what kind of treatment they get when they are caught by the Russian soldiers. On the other hand, it seems like this war will not end soon so it's better for them to conclude it in peaceful talks rather than sacrificing their poor soldiers on both sides.

Are you trying to say that Ukrainian citizens are not supporting their government? Don't you realize that their support of their Ukrainian government is the thing that lines them up as the enemy?... at least in Putin's eyes?

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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.
There is a very simple and reliable ethical test to determine who is on the light side of the force in this story, and who is on the dark side - the attitude towards captives.

Yeah! that's one thing to be sure about and the way they handle the civilians that are not really hostile towards them. I believe if they only want to take over Ukraine from Zelensky they won't hurt the civilians and to be fair I don't want to believe what the mainstream media says about them because they might only report biased news but we need to get some stories from the civilians themselves if what kind of treatment they get when they are caught by the Russian soldiers. On the other hand, it seems like this war will not end soon so it's better for them to conclude it in peaceful talks rather than sacrificing their poor soldiers on both sides.
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Current Ukraine was a result of  a complex geopolitical, military, ideological and legacy war, which has different players, with different objectives. Russia wants to ensure that NATO doesn't bother it in future. Ukraine wanted to westernize, US wanted to patronize Ukraine and humiliate Russia. West want Russian Gas but not a strong Russia. Democrats want to break the bastion of communism. Common Russians want to stay economically strong. Common Ukrainians want to just stay safe and alive. Putin want power, zelensky want to be remembered as more than a comedian...

The result is war..

You have nicely summarized the background of Ukraine war. I think hawkish approach of Joe Biden administration is the major reason of Ukraine war, first they failed to address Russian security concern through negotiation and later they are consistently failing to stop this war by using strong tools of sanctions which failed to produce any tangible results. US establishment need to understand that they can not unilaterally control the world, new power centers have emerged now. Ukraine war can only stop if Joe Biden and Putin sit together and resolve Ukraine issue through meaningful negotiations.  
legendary
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All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

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Did someone tell you that you are funny? They were not your friends.

Who were not my friends? What are you blabbing about? All people in the world have been made friends of God through the sacrifice Jesus, God's Son, did on the cross. The only problem is that many are not maintaining their friendship with God, and will have to be destroyed if they reject their final chance... faith in Jesus-salvation.

So, now that you understand this, look at those people through the eyes of friendship, even if you have to destroy some of them to protect other friends of yours. If you don't, you, too, will be rejected by God.

This life is only for a hundred years, if that. Heaven and Hell are forever, for eternity.

Btw, I'm telling you this because I am your friend.

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Your God sounds like a mafia boss.

BTW, where do you think are heaven and hell? Just curious.

I think for most Ukrainians hell will end when the last Russian soldier is killed or leaves their territory.

God is the owner of everything. If He wanted to be a Mafia boss, He'd have the right, and your feet would be in cement at the bottom of some river.

True Hell doesn't exist yet. It will exist as the Lake of Fire spoken about in the Revelation.

The location of Heaven is beyond our scientists to determine... mostly because they would have to believe in God and Creation rather than some stupid Big Bang.

Many Ukrainians are Christian. For them Heaven will begin when the lose their lives in the hell you are talking about.

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legendary
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All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

Cool

Did someone tell you that you are funny? They were not your friends.

Who were not my friends? What are you blabbing about? All people in the world have been made friends of God through the sacrifice Jesus, God's Son, did on the cross. The only problem is that many are not maintaining their friendship with God, and will have to be destroyed if they reject their final chance... faith in Jesus-salvation.

So, now that you understand this, look at those people through the eyes of friendship, even if you have to destroy some of them to protect other friends of yours. If you don't, you, too, will be rejected by God.

This life is only for a hundred years, if that. Heaven and Hell are forever, for eternity.

Btw, I'm telling you this because I am your friend.

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Your God sounds like a mafia boss.

BTW, where do you think are heaven and hell? Just curious.

I think for most Ukrainians hell will end when the last Russian soldier is killed or leaves their territory.
legendary
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All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

Cool

Did someone tell you that you are funny? They were not your friends.

Who were not my friends? What are you blabbing about? All people in the world have been made friends of God through the sacrifice Jesus, God's Son, did on the cross. The only problem is that many are not maintaining their friendship with God, and will have to be destroyed if they reject their final chance... faith in Jesus-salvation.

So, now that you understand this, look at those people through the eyes of friendship, even if you have to destroy some of them to protect other friends of yours. If you don't, you, too, will be rejected by God.

This life is only for a hundred years, if that. Heaven and Hell are forever, for eternity.

Btw, I'm telling you this because I am your friend.

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legendary
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar.

All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

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Did someone tell you that you are funny? They were not your friends.
legendary
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar.

All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

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Ukrainians also love their country.  

But I guess in your Putinian worldview, they cannot, because they are 'Nazis' and
all people who support them are 'Nazis' as well. Right?

Except for the Z people. They are just Russian patriots who only want a little more lebensraum by wiping their neighbor from the face of the Earth. LOL.
legendary
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar.

All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

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legendary
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Do not die for Putin
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar.
legendary
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The Nazi argument is irrelevant to this war. Adolf Putin is just looking for as short of ideological cover up. He is a Russian supremacist, despises minorities in his own country and could not care less about the Russian speaking population that is killing at leisure. He has systematically invaded its neighbours without provocation and setups puppet governments at will.

Why don't he cleans his own house first?







Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.

Besides, in the top picture, the gal in the right-middle is simply waving to her friend in the apartments that are out of our line of sight to her right. And the guy in the bottom-right who looks like Lenin, is simply showing his looks off for the cameras. And the guy to the right of the Lenin-guy is imitating Dr. Zelenko, and is trying to stop people from getting the vaxx. And the guy in the red and white mask at the far left, is simply trying to put his umbrella down because it stopped raining. And the guy in the far right with what looks like his fist in the air, simply caught the horsefly that was irritating him. And the couple way in back to the left are laughing about how well this staged theatrics are going.

As far as the two bottom pictures go, don't you think they have any better cameras in Russia? They are both homemade pictures, to be used for who know what? But they have been adopted and adapted for you to use in your propaganda.

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legendary
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tattoos

I hate this right-wing cancel culture that's so ubiquitous these days. Just because you're scared of tattoos, it doesn't mean that everyone else needs to have them removed. Their body their choice, right?

I am in favor of Nazis and their supporters marking themselves with swastika tattoos since it makes it more efficient for me to figure out who to avoid.  Please do move forward on 'standing with Ukraine' project, and if you really want to impress your friends, show some balls and put that swastika right on your face.  Right between the eyes is the best place for inveterate mask-tards like yourself.



The Nazi argument is irrelevant to this war. Adolf Putin is just looking for as short of ideological cover up. He is a Russian supremacist, despises minorities in his own country and could not care less about the Russian speaking population that is killing at leisure. He has systematically invaded its neighbours without provocation and setups puppet governments at will.

Why don't he cleans his own house first?





legendary
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I am in favor of Nazis and their supporters marking themselves with swastika tattoos since it makes it more efficient for me to figure out who to avoid.  Please do move forward on 'standing with Ukraine' project, and if you really want to impress your friends, show some balls and put that swastika right on your face.  Right between the eyes is the best place for inveterate mask-tards like yourself.


Now that sounds like something a true Nazi would say.

But from what I remember, in most posts you make you manage to add your anti-semite messaging.

I didn't even bother to mention the Star-of-Remphan tattoos that some of these 'defenders of Ukraine' people seem to be sporting (unless it is a hoax.)  But yeah, Zionism and Nazism do seem to be the flip side of the same coin in a lot of cases.  Literally sometimes:



Tell us more about how you would love to kill people you do not like.

I guess you started in on the scooby-snacks early today, eh?



What if I get a tattoo of Putin in Nazi uniform fucking a goat on a flag of the Soviet Union, all while holding the "Star of David" and being fucked in the ass by a strong Black man?

Would I become a Nazi, anti-Semite, Jew, gay or communist?

What about if I get a Seal Trident tattoo? Would I be a US Navy SEAL?


For you even to talk like that suggests that you have been going that direction for a long time now. How do you look when you stare at yourself in the mirror?

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legendary
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I am in favor of Nazis and their supporters marking themselves with swastika tattoos since it makes it more efficient for me to figure out who to avoid.  Please do move forward on 'standing with Ukraine' project, and if you really want to impress your friends, show some balls and put that swastika right on your face.  Right between the eyes is the best place for inveterate mask-tards like yourself.


Now that sounds like something a true Nazi would say.

But from what I remember, in most posts you make you manage to add your anti-semite messaging.

I didn't even bother to mention the Star-of-Remphan tattoos that some of these 'defenders of Ukraine' people seem to be sporting (unless it is a hoax.)  But yeah, Zionism and Nazism do seem to be the flip side of the same coin in a lot of cases.  Literally sometimes:



Tell us more about how you would love to kill people you do not like.

I guess you started in on the scooby-snacks early today, eh?



What if I get a tattoo of Putin in Nazi uniform fucking a goat on a flag of the Soviet Union, all while holding the "Star of David" and being fucked in the ass by a strong Black man?

Would I become a Nazi, anti-Semite, Jew, gay or communist?

What about if I get a Seal Trident tattoo? Would I be a US Navy SEAL?
legendary
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I am in favor of Nazis and their supporters marking themselves with swastika tattoos since it makes it more efficient for me to figure out who to avoid.  Please do move forward on 'standing with Ukraine' project, and if you really want to impress your friends, show some balls and put that swastika right on your face.  Right between the eyes is the best place for inveterate mask-tards like yourself.


Now that sounds like something a true Nazi would say.

But from what I remember, in most posts you make you manage to add your anti-semite messaging.

I didn't even bother to mention the Star-of-Remphan tattoos that some of these 'defenders of Ukraine' people seem to be sporting (unless it is a hoax.)  But yeah, Zionism and Nazism do seem to be the flip side of the same coin in a lot of cases.  Literally sometimes:



Tell us more about how you would love to kill people you do not like.

I guess you started in on the scooby-snacks early today, eh?

legendary
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tattoos

I hate this right-wing cancel culture that's so ubiquitous these days. Just because you're scared of tattoos, it doesn't mean that everyone else needs to have them removed. Their body their choice, right?

I am in favor of Nazis and their supporters marking themselves with swastika tattoos since it makes it more efficient for me to figure out who to avoid.  Please do move forward on 'standing with Ukraine' project, and if you really want to impress your friends, show some balls and put that swastika right on your face.  Right between the eyes is the best place for inveterate mask-tards like yourself.



Now that sounds like something a true Nazi would say.

But from what I remember, in most posts you make you manage to add your anti-semite messaging.

Tell us more about how you would love to kill people you do not like.
legendary
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tattoos

I hate this right-wing cancel culture that's so ubiquitous these days. Just because you're scared of tattoos, it doesn't mean that everyone else needs to have them removed. Their body their choice, right?

I am in favor of Nazis and their supporters marking themselves with swastika tattoos since it makes it more efficient for me to figure out who to avoid.  Please do move forward on 'standing with Ukraine' project, and if you really want to impress your friends, show some balls and put that swastika right on your face.  Right between the eyes is the best place for inveterate mask-tards like yourself.

legendary
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tattoos

I hate this right-wing cancel culture that's so ubiquitous these days. Just because you're scared of tattoos, it doesn't mean that everyone else needs to have them removed. Their body their choice, right?

This idea is for Russia's domestic consumption.

Russian propaganda provides simple explanations:

"You dance in high hills -> you are gay",
"You tattoo SS insignia on you -> you are a Nazi.",
"If you have no tattoos -> you still might be a Nazi if you speak Ukrainian.",
"If you fight to defend Ukraine -> you are definitely a Nazi, regardless of your ethnic background", etc.

People who consume this propaganda have an IQ of around 80 so no need to provide reasoning.

The real truth is that the Russian military and Rosguardia are killing all Ukrainians who come into their crosshairs.
Nobody checks what tattoos they have or do not have.
legendary
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tattoos

I hate this right-wing cancel culture that's so ubiquitous these days. Just because you're scared of tattoos, it doesn't mean that everyone else needs to have them removed. Their body their choice, right?
legendary
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Here's a more simple-minded, and far more ambiguous and less reliable test:

 - Who has the swastika tattoos?
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Did you get your Hitler, Bandera, and swastika tattoos to show to your woke friends that you stand with Ukraine yet?  You know, 'show solidarity'.  Or maybe the baphomet ones are more to your liking?  The heroic defenders of Ukraine who surrendered at Avoztal seemed to have them all.

legendary
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Here's a more simple-minded, and far more ambiguous and less reliable test:

 - Who has the swastika tattoos?

If 'Putin' doesn't have one, it won't stop him behaving like a modern-day Hitler.  And it's irrelevant whether or not a few random people in Ukraine have them.

Absurd and irrelevant seems to constitute 100% proof of something you want to believe.

Tell us how it feels to wake up and find out that you're posting nonsense, when you just wanted to come up with any argument at all to signal that you stand in opposition to those you call "the 'woke' crowd".  Your humiliation shows.  Here's a little tip:  When you find yourself in a hole, best to quit digging and look for a different method of getting out of it.
legendary
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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.
There is a very simple and reliable ethical test to determine who is on the light side of the force in this story, and who is on the dark side - the attitude towards captives.

There is a very simple test on who is the nazi here:

- Who invaded?
- Who is a Russian supremacist that is sending the non ethnic Russians to die by the thousands.
- Who has declared illegal to say anything that is not the "official truth"
- Who has invaded several other neighbourghs.
- Who has destroyed any sign of democracy from inside the system.
- Who has encouraged hate and genocide?

Yup... that is Putin.

Here's an even simpler, and far less ambiguous and more reliable test:

 - Who has the swastika tattoos?

If 'Putin' has one I'd be somewhat surprised.  They are known to be quite common in Ukraine though.  I suppose it's possible that them evil Russians sneaked into Azovstal and did some tattoo artistry on the Azov guys while they were sleeping then let surrender later and took pics.  I mean, anything is possible...and 'possible' seems to constitute 100% proof of something you want to believe.

Tell us how it feels to wake up and find out that you've become a nazi supporter when you just wanted to virtue signal a bit in order fit in with the 'woke' crowd.  Your humiliation shows.  Here's a little tip:  When you find yourself in a hole, best to quit digging and look for a different method of getting out of it.

legendary
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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.
There is a very simple and reliable ethical test to determine who is on the light side of the force in this story, and who is on the dark side - the attitude towards captives.

There is a very simple test on who is the nazi here:

- Who invaded?
- Who is a Russian supremacist that is sending the non ethnic Russians to die by the thousands.
- Who has declared illegal to say anything that is not the "official truth"
- Who has invaded several other neighbourghs.
- Who has destroyed any sign of democracy from inside the system.
- Who has encouraged hate and genocide?

Yup... that is Putin.
legendary
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Ah yes, the oll 'Nazi' game we are playing here. I would argue that, by that rethoric the Russian government is a Nazi as it gets. First of all they ruined what ever good Marx and Engels did when they concived what Comunism could be, they bastardized it and then gave up on it in favor for more nacionalism covered up by fake socialism, the rule of authoritarianism and neo nazi paramilitary spreading colonialism.

Marx and Engels were idealists. The fact that anybody can ruin their systems shows that those systems don't work.

This doesn't mean that Communism in any fashion works. It doesn't mean that US fascism works. All it means is that the system that can give people enough freedom so that they think that they are free, is the system that works. Marx and Engels were good at figuring out a system that was good. But they weren't good at implementing it.

Check out Hitler's NAZI platform... the points that made up the platform - https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm. If you are living in a land that has been reduced to poverty by war (WW1), this NAZI platform might look good. But when you compare it to free USA or free Russia, there almost isn't anything good about it.

Just because the US wants to bring the Ukraine into NATO using NAZIsm, doesn't necessarily translate into benefits of any kind for the people of the Ukraine. And they know it, even though they are scared of Russia at the same time.

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Ah yes, the oll 'Nazi' game we are playing here. I would argue that, by that rethoric the Russian government is a Nazi as it gets. First of all they ruined what ever good Marx and Engels did when they concived what Comunism could be, they bastardized it and then gave up on it in favor for more nacionalism covered up by fake socialism, the rule of authoritarianism and neo nazi paramilitary spreading colonialism.
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In my opinion, the United States and the Western camp are not much better than Russia. In fact, both are worse than each other. In my country here, we suffer from bad experiences from both camps. It can be said that Russia is a little better than the United States. The United States is manipulating even the devil to control the world. I am not surprised that they They are manipulating the neo-Nazis now as they have manipulated al-Qaeda before. The Nazis and al-Qaeda are the biggest enemies of America as it seems to the world, but on the other hand, in secret, they are the biggest card they manipulate to control the world.
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When this invasion started, I was feeling very sorry for Ukrainians because of the sufferings and death they are subjected to by Russia. But as the war continues I never knew that this war that is fought far away from my country would affect me drastically. Today I am not only sorry for myself but my countrymen. Food, gas and fuel prices have soared that many people can no longer afford them. My country is moving to the stage of national food crisis. Crime rate has increased because many companies are downsizing causing unemployment. This war is not militarily anymore but political and economical. The third world war that predicted might not be fought with arms and ammunition but with food. Negotiations and compromise should be initiated before this food war escalates.
legendary
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You can't handle the truth, so you try to fudge it all up with semantics.

Yeah, I hate it when people use the actual meaning of words to make a point. Far easier to just spew a diatribe of nonsense.
legendary
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you are supporting your murderous US government.
I'm not from the US. And opposing Russian atrocities doesn't mean supporting the US government, does it? If you stand in the street in a Ukrainian city and say to a soldier 'Hey, stop raping that woman!', their response is unlikely to be 'How dare you support the US!'


The US has been killing civilians all over the world for a hundred years or more...
Yes, I'm not disputing that. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Bush even admitted it the other day.
And my own country has been doing much the same for longer than that.


So, now we have Russia performing a police action, just like many the United States has done worldwide, and Russia is suddenly the bad guy for doing it, right?
'Bad guy' is not an exclusive title though, is it? I mean, there can be more than one of them. Also I'm not sure that Russian activities in Ukraine can really be classed as 'police action'. Police don't tend to have tanks or missiles, that's normally the army.


Don't you realize that the civilians who were harmed or killed by Russia, were Ukrainian taxpayers?
I'm pretty sure the children weren't.

Well, that's standard enough of you. You can't handle the truth, so you try to fudge it all up with semantics.

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legendary
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you are supporting your murderous US government.
I'm not from the US. And opposing Russian atrocities doesn't mean supporting the US government, does it? If you stand in the street in a Ukrainian city and say to a soldier 'Hey, stop raping that woman!', their response is unlikely to be 'How dare you support the US!'


The US has been killing civilians all over the world for a hundred years or more...
Yes, I'm not disputing that. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Bush even admitted it the other day.
And my own country has been doing much the same for longer than that.


So, now we have Russia performing a police action, just like many the United States has done worldwide, and Russia is suddenly the bad guy for doing it, right?
'Bad guy' is not an exclusive title though, is it? I mean, there can be more than one of them. Also I'm not sure that Russian activities in Ukraine can really be classed as 'police action'. Police don't tend to have tanks or missiles, that's normally the army.


Don't you realize that the civilians who were harmed or killed by Russia, were Ukrainian taxpayers?
I'm pretty sure the children weren't.
legendary
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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys

Really? That's actually your considered opinion, based on the evidence?

During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian authorities and armed forces were accused of committing war crimes by carrying out both deliberate attacks against civilian targets and indiscriminate attacks in densely populated areas. The Russian military allegedly exposed the civilian population to unnecessary and disproportionate harm by using cluster munitions – a type of weapon that is prohibited by 110 states because of its immediate and long-term danger to civilians – and by firing other explosive weapons with wide-area effects such as air-dropped bombs, missiles, heavy artillery shells and multiple launch rockets. The result of the Russian forces' attacks was damage or destruction of civilian buildings including houses, hospitals, schools, kindergartens, nuclear power plants, historic buildings, and churches. According to international law experts, evidence points to Russia deliberately targeting Ukrainian hospitals across the country.

As of 28 April, the attacks had resulted in the death of at least 2,829 civilians and the wounding of at least 3,180.

After Russian withdrawal from areas north of Kyiv, according to The Guardian, there was a "mounting body of evidence" of rape, torture and summary killings by Russian forces of Ukrainian civilians. There were allegations of forced deportations of thousands of civilians from Russian-occupied Mariupol to Russia, including children, systematic and massive sexual violence and deliberate killing of Ukrainian civilians by members of the Russian forces. At the end of March, Ukrainian forces recaptured the town of Bucha, located north of Kyiv. Afterwards, evidence emerged of a massacre perpetrated by Russian troops, including torture and the deliberate killings of civilians. According to Kyiv police, more than 900 bodies of civilians were found in the Kyiv region after Russian forces withdrew, most of them summarily executed, and the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine documented the unlawful killing of 50 civilians – mostly men, but also women and children – in Bucha. In the first month of the invasion the Monitoring Mission also documented the arbitrary detention in Russian-occupied territories of journalists, activists, public officials and civil servants.

You could also look here: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

You think the good guys are the ones doing the rape, torture, and murder of civilians, not to mention thousands of forced deportations... whilst the other side are behaving like the Nazis in WW2?
I have absolutely no idea what your crazy comeback to this will be. No Ukrainians have died or been mistreated, it's all been faked? It wasn't the Russians, Bill Gates did it?


What, really!?

The US has been killing civilians all over the world for a hundred years or more... many of them right in the USA itself. Consider all the people the drug war has killed, and broken families, with kids being sent away from their homes. And all that without anybody hurting or harming anybody else.

So, now we have Russia performing a police action, just like many the United States has done worldwide, and Russia is suddenly the bad guy for doing it, right?

Police actions being done by an outside nation are never squeaky clean. All you have to do is research the police actions the US did around the world, often without the need of protecting us from a hostile nation, often all for money for big corporations. But Russia is fighting for its life... to maintain its autonomy as a free nation of the world.

And here you have little Russia trying to protect herself from US aggression, and she happens to do a few bad things like the many the US has done, and all of a sudden Russia is the bad guy. Don't you realize that the civilians who were harmed or killed by Russia, were Ukrainian taxpayers? They were supporting their Ukrainian Nazi government just like you are supporting your murderous US government.

You got it backwards, hypocrite.

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According to Ukrainian sources, forward elements of the Azov battalions have fought their way into the Russian motherland and are occupying buildings.  The buildings where the Russian defense industry in the testing of equipment (such as bunk-beds and blankies in this case.)

  Azovites settle in their new homes
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/ws2AlybukpHy/

Victory is near!

legendary
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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys

Really? That's actually your considered opinion, based on the evidence?

During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian authorities and armed forces were accused of committing war crimes by carrying out both deliberate attacks against civilian targets and indiscriminate attacks in densely populated areas. The Russian military allegedly exposed the civilian population to unnecessary and disproportionate harm by using cluster munitions – a type of weapon that is prohibited by 110 states because of its immediate and long-term danger to civilians – and by firing other explosive weapons with wide-area effects such as air-dropped bombs, missiles, heavy artillery shells and multiple launch rockets. The result of the Russian forces' attacks was damage or destruction of civilian buildings including houses, hospitals, schools, kindergartens, nuclear power plants, historic buildings, and churches. According to international law experts, evidence points to Russia deliberately targeting Ukrainian hospitals across the country.

As of 28 April, the attacks had resulted in the death of at least 2,829 civilians and the wounding of at least 3,180.

After Russian withdrawal from areas north of Kyiv, according to The Guardian, there was a "mounting body of evidence" of rape, torture and summary killings by Russian forces of Ukrainian civilians. There were allegations of forced deportations of thousands of civilians from Russian-occupied Mariupol to Russia, including children, systematic and massive sexual violence and deliberate killing of Ukrainian civilians by members of the Russian forces. At the end of March, Ukrainian forces recaptured the town of Bucha, located north of Kyiv. Afterwards, evidence emerged of a massacre perpetrated by Russian troops, including torture and the deliberate killings of civilians. According to Kyiv police, more than 900 bodies of civilians were found in the Kyiv region after Russian forces withdrew, most of them summarily executed, and the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine documented the unlawful killing of 50 civilians – mostly men, but also women and children – in Bucha. In the first month of the invasion the Monitoring Mission also documented the arbitrary detention in Russian-occupied territories of journalists, activists, public officials and civil servants.

You could also look here: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

You think the good guys are the ones doing the rape, torture, and murder of civilians, not to mention thousands of forced deportations... whilst the other side are behaving like the Nazis in WW2?
I have absolutely no idea what your crazy comeback to this will be. No Ukrainians have died or been mistreated, it's all been faked? It wasn't the Russians, Bill Gates did it?
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legendary
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In the recent past it was Wuhan. Now we find that it is Ukraine, as well. Where else in the world has the US secretly been doing all kinds of biological research that can be used in war?

One way to make things happen that you want to happen, is to say them out loud so your opponents realize that they are happening (even if they aren't happening, yet). Another way is to write them in stone. Check out 'The mysterious Georgia Guidestones and the Globalist plan to reduce humanity to half a billion' - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/325663-2022-05-17-the-mysterious-georgia-guidestones-and-the-globalist-plan-to-reduce.htm.

Some major leaders in the US government are using government to prepare biological warfare in other countries of the world, to reduce the population of the world for their own purposes... no matter how much this hurts average people like you and me.


Briefing: Analysis of Documents Related to the Military Biological Activities of The United States



Briefing on the results of the analysis of documents related to the military biological activities of the United States on the territory of Ukraine

1. Summary from the Russian Mod telegram channel



Ideologues of US military-biological activities in Ukraine are the leaders of the Democratic Party.

??Thus, through the US executive branch, a legislative framework for funding military biomedical research directly from the federal budget was formed. Funds were raised under state guarantees from NGOs controlled by the Democratic Party leadership, including the investment funds of the Clintons, Rockefellers, Soros and Biden.

??The scheme involves major pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer, Moderna, Merck and the US military-affiliated company Gilead. U.S. experts are working to test new medicines that circumvent international safety standards. As a result, Western companies are seriously reducing the cost of research programmes and gaining a significant competitive advantage.

??The involvement of controlled nongovernmental and biotechnological organisations, and the increase in their revenues, allows the leaders of the Democratic Party to generate additional campaign finance and hide its distribution.

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Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.
There is a very simple and reliable ethical test to determine who is on the light side of the force in this story, and who is on the dark side - the attitude towards captives.
legendary
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Here is one of the major reasons why Russia is fighting so hard. An this time the US is their enemy after siding with the Nazi's, rather than uniting with Russia (as in WW2) to destroy Nazism.

Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.


Eight Years Ago: US-NATO Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine



It is of  relevance to an understanding of recent events.

What is happening in Ukraine has serious geopolitical implications and could potentially lead to a World War III scenario.

It is important that a peace process be initiated with a view to preventing escalation.

Global Research does not support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

This was my assessment in the immediate wake of the EuroMaidan Coup in February 2014:

"The World is at a dangerous crossroads: The structures and composition of this proxy government installed by the West do not favor dialogue with the Russian government and military.

A scenario of military escalation leading to confrontation of Russia and NATO is a distinct possibility. The Ukraine's National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU) which is controlled by Neo-Nazis plays a central role in military affairs.  In the confrontation with Moscow, decisions taken by the RNBOU headed by Neo-Nazi Parubiy and his brown Shirt deputy Dmytro Yarosh –in consultation with Washington and Brussels– could potentially have devastating consequences. (March  6, 2014)

We are dealing with a coalition government (integrated by two neo-Nazi parties) which is supported by "Western democracy" and the "international community".

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How many members of the Ukrainian parliament are neo-Nazis?



When the US and Russia joined forces in WW2 for the goal of repelling Nazism, they did a good job of it. Why? Because the evil in Nazism is really its weakness.

Russia was tainted by another form of evil, but has since stepped out of much of that evil (of course, on the outside of things). But the one thing that Russia is still doing is fighting Nazism, Nazism which the US has incorporated into its money-making schemes for ruling the world.

Nazism is weak, no matter how many people it has. It will fail, and fall before Russia. Let's hope it doesn't take the US with it in its fall.

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legendary
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Here is one of the major reasons why Russia is fighting so hard. An this time the US is their enemy after siding with the Nazi's, rather than uniting with Russia (as in WW2) to destroy Nazism.

Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.


Eight Years Ago: US-NATO Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine



It is of  relevance to an understanding of recent events.

What is happening in Ukraine has serious geopolitical implications and could potentially lead to a World War III scenario.

It is important that a peace process be initiated with a view to preventing escalation.

Global Research does not support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

This was my assessment in the immediate wake of the EuroMaidan Coup in February 2014:

"The World is at a dangerous crossroads: The structures and composition of this proxy government installed by the West do not favor dialogue with the Russian government and military.

A scenario of military escalation leading to confrontation of Russia and NATO is a distinct possibility. The Ukraine's National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU) which is controlled by Neo-Nazis plays a central role in military affairs.  In the confrontation with Moscow, decisions taken by the RNBOU headed by Neo-Nazi Parubiy and his brown Shirt deputy Dmytro Yarosh –in consultation with Washington and Brussels– could potentially have devastating consequences. (March  6, 2014)

We are dealing with a coalition government (integrated by two neo-Nazi parties) which is supported by "Western democracy" and the "international community".

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How many members of the Ukrainian parliament are neo-Nazis?

legendary
Activity: 3724
Merit: 1363
Here is one of the major reasons why Russia is fighting so hard. An this time the US is their enemy after siding with the Nazi's, rather than uniting with Russia (as in WW2) to destroy Nazism.

Seems that Russia has turned into the good guys, and the Allies and Allied Command have turned bad.


Eight Years Ago: US-NATO Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine



It is of  relevance to an understanding of recent events.

What is happening in Ukraine has serious geopolitical implications and could potentially lead to a World War III scenario.

It is important that a peace process be initiated with a view to preventing escalation.

Global Research does not support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

This was my assessment in the immediate wake of the EuroMaidan Coup in February 2014:

"The World is at a dangerous crossroads: The structures and composition of this proxy government installed by the West do not favor dialogue with the Russian government and military.

A scenario of military escalation leading to confrontation of Russia and NATO is a distinct possibility. The Ukraine's National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU) which is controlled by Neo-Nazis plays a central role in military affairs.  In the confrontation with Moscow, decisions taken by the RNBOU headed by Neo-Nazi Parubiy and his brown Shirt deputy Dmytro Yarosh –in consultation with Washington and Brussels– could potentially have devastating consequences. (March  6, 2014)

We are dealing with a coalition government (integrated by two neo-Nazi parties) which is supported by "Western democracy" and the "international community".

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