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You only need to look around the world to see that race/colour has nothing to do with it. 

Disagreed. During the 2008 POTUS campaign, those who campaigned for John McCain were widely labelled as xenophobes, racists and bigots. In the inner city areas, there were wide spread attacks against McCain supporters.
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You only need to look around the world to see that race/colour has nothing to do with it.  There have been plenty of black leaders around the world.  There have been plenty of woman leaders around the world.  And none of them have been wonderful leaders any more so than all the white men leaders.

Everyone needs to get over this idea of government being what it tries to tell us it is.  And FFS stop looking for a fucking messiah.  The last time one of those came along it ended in WW2.
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We, the People, view Obama as a failure because he has decimated our country. Obama sees himself as a success because he has decimated our country. That's what we must understand in order to understand Obama.
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Electing the first black/first woman is not a good reason
No, it wouldn't have been. And it won't be, when Hillary is elected in 2016. Barack Obama was elected President because the American people had enough "leadership" from the Republican party under Bush/Cheney, and because the alternative the Republican party was a combination of more of the same in the form of John McCain, and something much, much worse in the form of Sarah Palin. Then, even though Barack Obama was extremely vulnerable in 2012, due to a deliberate effort to sabotage our country by the Republicans, he STILL won re-election because again, the alternative was a return to the failed policies of the past, and because the candidates the Republican party offered, Romney and Ryan, were clearly out of touch with the American people, and Romney actually openly told his supporters that he didn't care about almost half the population. Republicans want to win a national election? Stop feeding us right wing ideologues and those who pander right wing ideologues as candidates.

I keep telling you guys, and you never get it - the extreme right and extreme left do not elect Presidents. The extreme right is going to vote Republican. The extreme left is going to vote Democrat. It is the middle - both politically and economically - who decide who will be President. Unless you start trying to appeal to the center, your sphere of influence is going to become more and more concentrated, and you will never again win a national election.
When Obama was nominated, the news sources were all chortling about the opportunity to make history by electing the first black president, and as Thomas Sowell pointed out in the OP article, both the voters and the media ignored Obama's ominous past because they wanted to elect the first black president. Reverend Wright was ignored. Bill Ayers was ignored. Frank Marshall Davis was ignored. Obama's own radical family was ignored. And most of all, Obama's penchant for associating with far left radicalism was ignored.
Greek columns, messianic claims, people swooning in the aisles, a media love fest, and an almost total loss of common sense resulted in electing a far left and incompetent radical, simply because he was handsome, because he was a great orator, and most of all, because he was black.

Some now think we will make the same mistake in 2016, and elect Hillary Clinton simply because it's time to elect a woman and it's her turn
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Electing the first black/first woman is not a good reason
No, it wouldn't have been. And it won't be, when Hillary is elected in 2016. Barack Obama was elected President because the American people had enough "leadership" from the Republican party under Bush/Cheney, and because the alternative the Republican party was a combination of more of the same in the form of John McCain, and something much, much worse in the form of Sarah Palin. Then, even though Barack Obama was extremely vulnerable in 2012, due to a deliberate effort to sabotage our country by the Republicans, he STILL won re-election because again, the alternative was a return to the failed policies of the past, and because the candidates the Republican party offered, Romney and Ryan, were clearly out of touch with the American people, and Romney actually openly told his supporters that he didn't care about almost half the population. Republicans want to win a national election? Stop feeding us right wing ideologues and those who pander right wing ideologues as candidates.

I keep telling you guys, and you never get it - the extreme right and extreme left do not elect Presidents. The extreme right is going to vote Republican. The extreme left is going to vote Democrat. It is the middle - both politically and economically - who decide who will be President. Unless you start trying to appeal to the center, your sphere of influence is going to become more and more concentrated, and you will never again win a national election.
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I voted for Obama because the other choices were either a warmonger in John McCain or a wall street ripoff in Romney. So if you really want to complain about Obama then maybe what you need to do is look at the idiots you run for President and you will understand that it was not the color of Obama skin but fighting for the middle class. But our resident rights think that all those wonderful CEO;s really love them and will always put their needs first.  A corporation needs none of those damn regulations that protect people and the environment.  Then wonder why Obama got elected.
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Liberals must understand by now that criticisms of Obama are legitimate, accurate and just, but they blindly defend him anyway because he's the first black president

Any criticism from someone who calls the President a Brazil nut, is tainted with racism and cannot be considered legitimate, accurate or just.
So you agree that the rest of our criticisms of Obama are legit, accurate and just?
There may still be hope for you.
Some of the criticism comes from a conservative place that sees a different way of solving the countries' problems. Those criticisms are legitimate because those people do not see things from a progressive point of view.
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Fail to see why the colour of his skin has anything to do with his actions as the Prez of the US?

I've critisized Obama pretty much from day 1, I do think some of his leftwing supporters are in denial, especially considering his hawkish foreign policies / drone strikes etc.
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Liberals must understand by now that criticisms of Obama are legitimate, accurate and just, but they blindly defend him anyway because he's the first black president

Any criticism from someone who calls the President a Brazil nut, is tainted with racism and cannot be considered legitimate, accurate or just.
So you agree that the rest of our criticisms of Obama are legit, accurate and just?
There may still be hope for you.
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When someone says that Obama got elected because he is black - is that not using the race card?

But seriously, do people not see how ridiculous they sound that they think that someone untoward has happened when a black man is elected President, the first time in this country's history, and it is more than TWO HUNDRED YEARS since the country has been independent?

Do they not see how ridiculous their claim is?
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As for Barack Obama, you cannot judge any President's competence by the results of his policies, without first knowing what he was trying to achieve.

Many wise and decent people assume automatically that President Obama was trying to serve the interests of America. From that standpoint, he has failed abysmally, both at home and abroad. And that should legitimately call his competence into question.



But that question can't be raised because every time it is the race card is played.  But now as we learn more about the criminal actions at the IRS we realize that the race card wasn't played in earnest, it was played to hide the truth and protect obama. And just like we're learning about the bergdahl trade, obama wasn't open and honest about the trade and in fact lied. Luckily for America the race card was too worn out to use it against those questioning the trade. The list goes on but its all reasons why obama shouldn't have been re-elected and why he needed to lie to get there. Now the dems want to elect hillary who has accomplished nothing except media manipulation and a honed in ability to lie without ever blinking an eye.
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Liberals must understand by now that criticisms of Obama are legitimate, accurate and just, but they blindly defend him anyway because he's the first black president

Any criticism from someone who calls the President a Brazil nut, is tainted with racism and cannot be considered legitimate, accurate or just.
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Excellent article.  All true.  We all have to look beyond a candidate's promises to see what their real agenda might be.
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The Prisoner Swap Deal




"People are arguing about what the United States got out of the deal that swapped five top level terrorist leaders for one American soldier who was, at best, absent from his post in a war zone. Soldiers who served in the same unit with him call him a deserter. The key to this deal, however, is less likely to be what the United States got out of the deal than it is about what Barack Obama got out of the deal. If nothing else, it instantly got the veterans' hospitals scandals off the front pages of newspapers and pushed these scandals aside on television news programs.

It was a clear winner for Barack Obama. And that may be all that matters to Barack Obama.

People who are questioning the president's competence seem not to want to believe that any President of the United States would knowingly damage this country's interests.

One of the problems of many fundamentally decent people is that they find it hard to understand people who are not fundamentally decent, or whose moral compass points in a different direction from theirs.

Many people who are painfully disappointed with President Obama have no real reason to be. The man's whole previous history, from childhood on, was shaped by a whole series of people, beginning with his mother, whose vision of America was very much like that of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose church Barack Obama belonged to for 20 long years.

Obama is not a stupid man. There is no way that he could have sat in that church all that time without knowing how Jeremiah Wright hated America, and how his vision of the world was one in which "white folks' greed runs a world in need."

Even if the Reverend Wright had been the only such person in Barack Obama's life -- and he was not -- it should have been enough to keep him out of the White House.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a good rule in a court of law, which has the power to deprive a defendant of liberty or life. But it is mindless and dangerous nonsense to apply that standard outside that context -- especially when choosing a President of the United States, who holds in his hands the liberty and lives of millions of Americans.

People who are disappointed with Barack Obama have no right to be. It is they whom others have a right to be disappointed with. Instead of taking their role as citizens seriously, they chose to vote on the basis of racial symbolism, glib rhetoric and wishful thinking.

Moreover, many are already talking about choosing the next President of the United States on the basis of demographic symbolism -- to have "the first woman president." And if she is elected on that basis, will any criticism of what she does in the White House be denounced as based on anti-woman bias, as criticisms of President Obama have been repeatedly denounced as racism?

And what if we have the first Hispanic president or the first Jewish president? Will any criticism of their actions in the White House be silenced by accusations of prejudice?

We may yet become the first nation to die from a terminal case of frivolity. Other great nations in history have been threatened by barbarians at the gates. We may be the first to be threatened by self-indulgent silliness inside the gates.

As for Barack Obama, you cannot judge any President's competence by the results of his policies, without first knowing what he was trying to achieve.

Many wise and decent people assume automatically that President Obama was trying to serve the interests of America. From that standpoint, he has failed abysmally, both at home and abroad. And that should legitimately call his competence into question.

But what if his vision of the world is one in which the wealth and power of those at the top, whether at home or internationally, are deeply resented, and have been throughout his life, under the tutelage of a whole series of resenters? And what if his goal is to redress that imbalance?

Who can say that he has failed, when the fundamental institutions of this country have been successfully and perhaps irretrievably undermined, and when the positions of America and its allies on the world stage have been similarly, and even more dangerously, undermined around the world?"

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2014/06/10/the-prisoner-swap-deal-n1849497/page/2


We are told that criticizing the first black president is racism, and should Hillary Clinton be elected, any criticism will be called sexism, no matter how just and accurate that criticism is. Sowell is spot on about that.

Liberals must understand by now that criticisms of Obama are legitimate, accurate and just, but they blindly defend him anyway because he's the first black president, he's a liberal, and he simply must not be seen as a failure.

But I think that ship has already sailed.
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