Topic: Electric Cars and The Future (Read 1225 times)

a basic car i know of does fuel 40miles per gallon = 8.8miles a litre  UK fuel £1.40 a litre = £0.159 a mile
a EV car can do 3.5miles per KWH UK residential electric is £0.40/kwh=£0.114 a mile

(Electricity   unit: 28.6p/kWh   standing rate: 53.4p/day)
kw house use (single person) 5kwh = 28.6*5 + 53.4/5 = average kwh 39.28p
(if only driving like 7 miles a day you are only topping up charge by 2kwh. thus effectively 40p kwh along with house electric)

uk electric 5 years ago used to be £0.14daytime £0.07nighttime with 30p daily standing rate
=day car charge topup £0.057 a mile
=night car charge topup £0.037 a mile

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public EV charging stations used to offer free charging now its more expensive than home charging even at latest home charging new expense rate

all i am saying is the economics of EV has broke their promises of "save the planet save the pocket"

Not yet, in most countries but if the demand for electricity increases then eventually the electricity bills will be higher than what we used to be unless we find better and more efficient power plants, and electricity generation with renewable sources is still a joke...

Tesla Cyber Truck is the talk of the town and Elon really knows how to advertise his products and make people to pay and wait for years to get the actual products.

the future of electric car adoption is recently come into question

years ago promises were of cars being £$25k and mileage costs of electric being 25% of fuel
(stories of cars starting at $50k but only due to being new factory costs added and cars should become half price over time once factory investment recouped)

(stories of how EV owners can recoup initial costs via the savings on the electric charging vs car fuel cost)

these days though electric cars are £$50k+ and fuel to electric cost per mile are equal

Most of the vehicles that are running in our country or our state today are running on oil, so the vehicles or cars that are going to come in our future generation will definitely be electric cars and their controls will be very sophisticated and they will have to be controlled very easily by people, so they are electric.  The thing that is electrical will make it very easy for us

At the moment there are two large manufacturers of fully electric cars namely Tesla and BYD. BYD actually just this quarter took the top spot in most electric cars manufactured and delivered. Thought you have to consider the automotive maker strikes in the US and how that has affected production for Tesla.
Anyhow these two seem to be rapidly scaling and expanding. Many legacy automakers like ford and gm started and recently stopped manufacture of their purely electric vehicles citing losses and cost.

The change to a sustainable energy future is needed and electric cars are one of the plausible solutions to the transportation ‘problem’. These don’t necessarily reduce emissions, but are sustainable or can be sustainable- solar energy… etc

I think electric car will be usefull. infact electric car is the future because the rate of air pollution and the excessive consumption of petrol is becoming alarming and people will have no choice than to accept it massively. People always like an innovation that will reduce the cost of living and when you talk about electric car, you talk about one.

Not only electric cars. I think k jn the nearest future people will get more addicted to things that will mi longer consum petrol but solar and electric. Though everything has its disadvantage buy I believe the disadvantage will not be much compead to that of petrol.

I've been driving about 500 miles per month, charging the car at home where the electric is much cheaper.

The one genuine fear I do have right now is that where electric cars are evolving so fast, if a provider introduces a brand new revolutionary battery which is much better than the current generation, my car's value will decrease significantly.

so it doesnt match the advertising ? yet close to 300 and actually that is more than enough to drive in any highways in the world .
50 euros monthly  ? does this mean you only use the car not so often that's why you only spends that amount in monthly basis?
let them say negative things but the truth is. Electric cars is the future.
there are more available source of energy such as Hydro power plants and SOlar panels so I think this will be solved in the future.

if you are into  helping the environment then you should know about Electric cars being best for this matter and besides this is innovation mate , you must understand that for us to have improve we need to have this new one.
yeah it may not be sounds powerful but the truth this is faster than muscle cars.

Personally i don't like electric cars, i think that you can't feel the machine you can't feel the horses inside the engine while they try to get out from the vehicle, i like more muscle cars, the sound of the engine and the exhaust, the power you feel when you ride a classic car from the 80 or the 90, and for the future, i think that classic cars and fuel engines will always stand because they have there lovers and fans so i have a feeling that they will not disappear

I have no Idea what other brand of cars that has electric model now aside from Tesla 
if there are others that has links from other car companies that has Electric cars please mind sharing here
for clarity since the post are from 4 years ago meaning there might be some good creation nowadays .
just talk about electric cars mate 

 Here is a summary of my perspective on electric cars and the future:

Electric vehicles are set to dominate the future of the automotive industry. As battery technology continues rapidly improving and costs keep falling, EV ranges now meet or exceed most consumer needs. Meanwhile, the instant torque and quiet operation of electric motors along with lower maintenance requirements provide a superior driving experience.

Major investments by virtually every automaker as well as government emissions targets will ensure electric models increasingly crowd out internal combustion engine production. Within the next 10-15 years, multiple countries are likely to phase out new non-electric passenger vehicle sales. As charging infrastructure expands, range and charging anxieties will subside as well.

In addition to the environmental impetus, the economic advantages of mechanically simpler vehicles powered by abundant electricity rather than limited oil supplies strengthens the trajectory. As self-driving tech keeps progressing too, EVs will enable much safer and convenient autonomous transport.

With some of the lingering limitations of batteries, hydrogen fuel cells may carve out high-performance transportation niches going forward. However, falling costs and lab breakthroughs suggest lithium-ion batteries should dominate mainstream eco-friendly vehicles.

Between eliminating tailpipe emissions, shifting energy dependence away from oil, reducing transportation costs, and offering better performance - the electric transition brings multiple wins. While the changeover involves some short-term pain retooling factories and oil industry labor impacts, the long run societal benefits are well worth embracing EVs. The auto industry’s electrified and interconnected future should provide faster, cleaner, cheaper and more enjoyable transportation.

Some of the FIRST cars were electric, it not a modern thing or invention. But right now they suck. They cost more money to make than they are worth. Pretty much ALL batteries come from China, the worst violators of the environment period..... So this isn't working as it sits at all no matter how much pixie dust you throw at it. The whole world will NEVER use all electric, thats just crazy utopian talk.   

I own a 2022 Hyundai Kona, fully electric.

It's advertised as a 300 mile range, it's actually closer 260 miles.

I absolutely love the car, it only costs me roughly £50 per month to charge. Cheaper when I can get to the free electric charge points near my local area.

There's a lot of people telling me why electric cars are bad and that combustion is better. However, electric is the future for the sustainability of our planet.

Now, we've just got to solve the electricity production problems and move away from fossil fuels!

Ultimately though, now I've gone electric I'll never go back. Highly recommend!

Nowadays, globalization is the new normal thing now people don't want to be dependent on any natural resources anymore now importance is being placed on more reliance on renewable energy. SDB College of the United Nations is one of the 17 goals of renewable energy and the electric vehicle is one of the tools of renewable energy.People have now become dependent on electric in every field, in every field of life we ​​are dependent on electronic now currency is also becoming electronic.Electric cars will be powered by electricity. It is a wonderful invention of the modern world. Currently, we are using it by natural resources. But expect everything to go by strength going forward let's go.The biggest obstacle to electric cars is that oil-dependent countries will naturally oppose them, because if the number of cars increases, their business will go down and they will fall behind to lead the world.That is why the development and use of electric vehicles will take a lot more time and the current situation will take some time.Many countries in the world, including Saudi Arabia, are trying to reduce their dependence on oil by 2030. They are moving towards renewable energy and if they can be implemented, the use of electric cars It will become very easy to use and implement and the whole world will become a regulation very quickly, and we will be able to establish communication with all countries very quickly.I believe that by the year 2100 the whole world will start using electric appliances and the use of non-renewable energy will disappear.The development of electronic cars is going to be very fast, there will be some hurdles, but it will be solved because now smart way has come to the world and smart car is needed for smart world that is electric the car.

on the other hand we havent resolved c8 since kingdoms, when will we both be able to afford to look past one?

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Electric cars are "feel good" junk. Just making the batteries is a some total loss.

Most electric vehicle companies manufacture these cars at an extreme loss, how is that made up? Sell more fuel cars.

How are you going to charge it? Ah, most like gas turbines and coal. The power infrastructure won't even remotely handle the load. Need ALLOT more 24/7/365 nuclear power plant to support base load. Here in California we have blackout and demands to reduce consumption including not charging you car! Cali is also making demand to ban natural gas appliances! Whirly thing and solar panel won't even REMOTELY carry that load. It's math not feel god bullshit.

How are low income families supposed to afford this crap, Bidenomics already fucked them hard. With what money?

Wake up.

Think of this... I logged into CALISO (California's grid manager) the in 2018 on a hot day. IIRC is was approx 75,000 MW (equiv of about 50+ nuclear reactors or roughly 17000 high power diesel locomotives.

That same year China ADDED 289,000MW of dirt coal power plants. SO it's futile battle that will never win. We can't change the world by hurting ourselves.

What about their battery? Saw a tweet where someone freaked out about leaving their Tesla at 100% charge for hours.

Electric cars don't have sound but some people buy cars for their sound like the Supra MK4, Ferrari, Mustang, Bugghati, Lamborghini Sian and etc.  People buy the Supra MK4, Mustang, Ferrari, Lamborghini Sian and etc. for two reasons one is sound and the second is look These two things impress some people, and people buy a car.

Electric vehicles  are surely the future of transportation due to their environmental benefits and technological advancements. As the world is focusing on cleaner energy and reducing emissions, electric vehicle will surely replace fossil fuel-powered vehicles in the coming years.

Electric cars feature no one can tell this, because electric cars are good cars but some people buy the car for their sound. Some rich peoples buy cars for their speed, sound, and of course look, electric cars had no sound but everyone had different choices. So, I think the electric car feature is 50%. Tesla also is an electric car but the company CEO is Elon Musk so, that's why people buy this car otherwise nothing is special in this car but Tesla is a good car.

Electric vehicles (EVs) are becoming increasingly popular and are expected to play a significant role in the future of transportation. By 2025, EVs and hybrid electric vehicles (HEVs) are expected to account for an estimated 30% of all vehicle sales. In the US, electric vehicle sales have climbed by more than 40% a year since 2016. Investment bank UBS predicts that by 2025, 20% of all new cars sold globally will be electric, and that number will increase to 40% by 2030. There are also many upcoming EV models expected to be produced and sold from 2023 onward

The basic idea would also be right to pollute the planet less but there are several cons such as electric cars that are very expensive, have little autonomy, take a long time to recharge

Based on the results, it appears that the best electric car right now is the Tesla. It has the highest rate of popularity among those included in the poll.

yes tesla is best option and good comfortable car .

Of all the electric cars, I like the Tesla best

Hydrogen is the future. It will destroy the oil industry. Oils will be made from plant esters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_esters


Researchers Can Now Make Clean Hydrogen Fuel By Pulling it Directly From Seawater...

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https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/researchers-can-now-make-clean-hydrogen-fuel-by-pulling-it-directly-from-seawater-no-filtering-required/
Researchers in Australia, an island nation, have successfully split seawater to produce green hydrogen without pre-treatment.

An international chemical engineering team, led by the University of Adelaide's Professor Shizhang Qiao and Associate Professor Yao Zheng, were motivated by the fact that the only thing emitted by hydrogen fuel is water.

"We have split natural seawater into oxygen and hydrogen with nearly 100 percent efficiency, to produce green hydrogen by electrolysis, using a non-precious and cheap catalyst in a commercial electrolyzer," said Professor Qiao.

"We used seawater as a feedstock without the need for any pre-treatment processes like reverse osmosis desolation, purification, or alkalization," said Associate Professor Zheng.

The team reports that the performance of their seawater with catalysts of cobalt oxide and chromium oxide is close to the performance of expensive platinum/iridium catalysts running in a feedstock of highly purified deionized water.

"Increased demand for hydrogen to partially or totally replace energy generated by fossil fuels will significantly increase scarcity of increasingly-limited freshwater resources," explained Zheng.

Seawater is an almost infinite resource and is considered a natural feedstock electrolyte, which would be very practical for regions with long coastlines and abundant sunlight.
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The way diesel and petrol prices are increasing at present, it will become difficult to drive a car on diesel petrol and octane at some point. Considering these issues, the world famous car manufacturer Tesla is launching electric cars in the market. But these electric cars have many facilities such as these cars do not emit any harmful fumes for the environment and the noise of these cars is very low which does not cause noise pollution in the environment. As time changes, people will adapt themselves to electric cars.

Yes, if in global we can already have a choice between gasoline and electricity, then why not electricity, Tesla FTW

I really like tesla electric cars, they are the future

I think all-electric car owners have to prepare themselves for that, for example in the city where I live, my city government provides 4 electric charging stations and the plan is to continue to increase the number. in my city right now only a few percent of car owners have switched to electric cars, I'm sure if the number of users increases, the charging stations will also increase and the charging process will also speed up, currently the electric cars that dominate my country's market are those from Hyundai.

Having an electric car it good ,but what about the difficulties in finding electric stations,  And it also has a limited driving range

polestar gets a rating of 8/10, that shows that consumers are very satisfied with the electric car, I immediately put polestar into the pool because I'm sure polestar will be a tough competitor for tesla and other electric cars in the future.

I absolutely am a fan of electric cars. My top picks are the Polestar 2 and a Tesla 3. They are beautifully engineered, the experience of being in one is just a pleasure and they are affordably priced for what you get.

I think being on the cutting edge of a new technology is very exciting. I also think combustion engines are losing mass appeal because they are not seen as environmentally conscious and I would never buy something like a gas powered car that is so expensive that does not have public desirability.

^ On average, currently the world's largest oil-producing country (US and Saudi Arabia) is intensively investing in electric vehicles, and reportedly electric vehicles are now very efficient and we don't even need to worry about the batteries of these electric vehicles.

the negative impact that will occur when electric vehicles are adopted en masse is oil mining workers who will certainly decrease but new jobs will appear along with it.

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this data that I took from a site about electric car sales since the beginning of this year.

Tesla cars are build like i made them , big panel gaps , squeeky interior , bugs in locking systems , i dont think they are the best. Mercedes on the other hand i think will be the best

Electric car will be nice.. but it's not gonna favour oil producing nation's because there oil will not be of much use

Of course I think the leader will still be Tesla

tesla's on top now, I think it's the future.

Obvious answer and votes .



I think and voted for tesla as well , because the design and the outcome is really extraordinary .
You don't read the OP? this is a Poll   

^ regarding acceleration @decodx already explained. research on electric cars, although it has been a long time ^{[https://www.energy.gov/articles/history-electric-car]} but not completely perfect, there are still many shortcomings here and there. btw I found a good article explaining that electric cars are much better than gasoline cars ^{[https://www.fleetcarma.com/why-electric-cars-are-better-than-gas-top/]} yep in the future, only electric cars will be available.

Don't be so sure about it. The 2020 Rimac C_Two is the first production car to break the one-minute, 50-second mark for electric vehicle acceleration and is capable of reaching a top speed of 285 miles per hour. Just for comparison, I have listed a few more currently fastest electric cars available on the market.

RIMAC C_TWO
ACC 0-60 MPH: 1.85 sec
POWER: 1,914 hp
TOP SPEED: 412 km/h

TESLA Model S
ACC 0-60 MPH: 2.3 sec
POWER: 778 hp
TOP SPEED: 262 km/h

PORSCHE Taycan Turbo S
ACC 0-60 MPH: 2.6 sec
POWER: 751 hp
TOP SPEED: 260 km/h

RIMAC Concept One
ACC 0-60 MPH: 2.6 sec
POWER: 1088 hp
TOP SPEED: 355 km/h

electric cars will never have the acceleration of petrol ones but pollute much less, in a few decades electric cars will be the only ones available on the market, currently the tesla seems to me the best one

Cool swapping batteries instead of charging ? and damn in just 3 minutes your ready to go .

But my concern is how many stations should be there just for this ? or maybe they will let the Gasoline stations have this swapping station as well but lets see how the Oil company will react on this as we knew how they are monopolizing the transport business by their Oils and gasolines , and electric cars are their Enemy literally .

Electric cars are definitely the future of mankind. I think they are much more environmentally friendly than petrol and even more so than diesel cars!

^ I found a video on youtube that there is a new electric car competitor from China called NIO. their concept is not charging the battery but swapping the battery with a new battery and only takes 3 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw

I think electric cars are great for the future In the current technology age electric cars are much better we can easily move from one place to another. If you have your own car, you do not have to wait for the bus to go somewhere I can travel as I wish.

oil cannot be removed just like that, there are still many industries that need it, not just vehicles. your statement is very good, we cannot eliminate dependence on oil, we can only reduce demand

I see a trend that is changing, many countries that currently make electric vehicles very attractive even many countries that make electric vehicles tax free just to attract the interest of the public to glance at electric vehicles.

the oil corruptors will only bite their fingers in the future 

I think electric cars and the future will survive The current industry will help the country to prosper in the technology age But you are right in saying that because of corruption and political influence I will dissolve everything. They survive under the influence of power and ordinary people spend days in despair If there is no political influence on the electric vehicle then it will survive.

Oil does not stop suddenly like that, production slows down and becomes more expensive, which may or may not make it profitable to dig out depending in market price. The more electric cars, the less demand so it makes sense many will simply leave the business, while others remain as oil still the source of many derivatives such as plastics and fertilizer. Its not just cars.

In fact it is a good thing cars stop needing oil to move themselves, because as production slows and price climbs, people won't be able to afford riding on them as much they do now. Perhaps they should take a look at Europe who pays twice as America does for car fuel.

Countries that depend on oil should have diversified by now. Yes some will be hurt badly since they did not (like mine), but the middle eastern rich Arab countries have already gone "beyond oil", and used it correctly to wedge their future.

It cannot be helped since dinosaur juice is not infinite, and basing your economy solely on it is begging for disaster (of course in my country, its the ever corrupt political caste).

I see a great opportunity on Comma.ai, this George Hotz project is really capable of making your car a Self Driving at a low cost of under $ 1k.

George Hotz is very passionate about developing his platform, I bet the comma.ai will be very successful in the next few years, maybe in the next 4 to 6 years.

sorry Bump this post

Very interesting project - openpilot https://comma.ai/
Set cost just 599 USD and turns normal car to semi-autonomous car - it is adding adaptive cruise control, automated lane centering etc. similar functions like Tesla autopilot.
It is compatible with new Toyota's

You are talking about current situation but I am talking about 2050 or later when we may not have any oil left for fuel consumption.

Electric cars are not super fast but Tesla made somewhere near to it and in the near future they can attain the speed as well but speed may not be a mandatory thing,we need to survive first.

I don't think it can be that fast because electric cars require adequate manufacturing elements and infrastructure according to standards. Not all countries can adopt it. If it affects oil dependence, there will always be a gap for export expansion and its use in other fields in full policy. Electric cars will reduce CO2 and are very suitable for urban economies, especially industrial-based cities.

Autonomous cars is the future, instead wasting time inside car and traffic you can do something creative or at least relax, watch movie etc.

Electric cars save you a lot of money, but it is going to destroy some countries where only oil as their main source of income.

By 2035 35 to 40% of the total jobs of this world will be taken over by AI or robots, get prepared for it by yourself from today.

By your definition all technology advance destroy jobs. Why don't we don't go back to pre-industrial revolution levels, so we can give more 18 hrs jobs in textile mills?

What about that guy that earned money developing photographic pictures, or the guys that repaired VCRs, or typists, telegraphists? Did you know there is people in Pyongyang doing the work a traffic light normally does? Imagine how many jobs we could give if we replaced all traffic lights with humans!

This could go on and on to no end. Technology ALWAYS destroy jobs, and many times creates jobs too, perhaps not in the same proportion, but usually everyone ends better than without it.

Luddism is not the answer. Besides, less fossil fuel burning is better for all.

electric cars are of course the future, but it destroys jobs

The more the merrier. This is all in accordance to Elon Musk's plan to move humanity into electric cars. He did release his own electric motors for everyone, even Porsche, to use.

That said you have to take a look at how long it took Porsche to come out with something pure electric. The Model S is kinda old already, been out for 7 years already, it was meant as a Sedan type, nothing even remotely resembling a sports top of the line car (that's what the Roadster is for). The fact that even today the S can still compete with that new Porsche should tell you something about Tesla... Lets see if that Taycan can hold its flag 7 tears from now.

Yes i know Porsche, i like its classic sports car line, not its SUV line (i find those aesthetically horrible, actually).

Tesla has followed a top to bottom approach, from the most expensive speed cars to something cheap enough for the masses to commute "in style". It's still getting there, and i bet the bare bottom will be dominated by Chinese electric compacts anyway.

Perhaps then all the Tesla line will lower in price. An used Tesla S can be found sometimes cheaper than new model 3s.

I expect the other luxury sport car makers to chime in. A Ferrari with its signature whistle would be very nice, especially now that its quiet enough to hear it clearly.

Besides, Porsche did not send a car to Mars. That was an actual Tesla Roadster, the very thing that started it all...

I think even 20 years ago they were the first to sell on the planet if they had the technology!

I cannot believe that in november 2019 it's possible to write an article about electric cars and then base a poll on that article without mentioning the Porsche Taycan.

It's all the rage on cars and EV forums: a Porsche Taycan 4S is priced just a tiny bit above a Tesla Model S. It has a slightly shorter range but...

A Porsche Taycan is basicaly a fully electric Porsche Panamera (there are already many Panamera which are hybrids). And a Porsche Panamera is an amazing car: it's a luxury saloon with sound insulation and sound system out of this world. It's a joy to drive. There's hardly anything better than that. If you haven't driven one, you have zero idea how amazing that car is.

Here's a professional pilot's view on the Panamera e-hybrid after trying it for 2000 miles (TLDR; best car ever to own as an every day car):

https://youtu.be/i7lEchRAZeU

And the Porsche Taycan is apparently that, but 100% electric.

I understand this is not a car forum but it's a car thread so my advice would be: go sit in a Tesla at a dealership (or in your own Tesla), then go sit at a Porsche dealership in a Panamera.

Then you come back here and you tell us which one is the ultra-luxury saloon on wheels.

When I see that Porsche sells the Taycan 4S for a tiny bit more than a Model S, for me there's not even the shadow of a doubt: I pick the Taycan 4S eyes closed.  I don't care about the slightly shorter range (my daily gaz guzzlers has a shorter range than a Model S too).  I care about the comfort, the luxury, the quality of the materials, the looks, etc.

You better get ready to see a huge lot of very luxurious EV on the road because all it's going to take for someone to pick between a Model S and a Porsche Taycan 4S is to sit in the two cars. Actually, it's going to be soon super easy to see who never sat in a Porsche Taycan: those driving a Model S.

So yeah, great article and great poll but you simply forgot the best EV car on the planet.

I doubt it. Hybrids are a transitional thing, and i don't expect them to last long. Once electrics reach critical mass, source of fossil fuels will be very hard to come by. A hybrid is a poor fossil fuel burner, and a poor electric, it is inefficient in both camps, so its not meant to be.

Sure it makes your fuel last longer, but that will be moot when you don't have gas stations anymore. Yet, you can find a power plug everywhere, even a lame 110v receptacle can charge a car in a day or two. The way things are coming, you will find high powered plugs in most parking places and garages, so this will become less and less of an issue.

Incidentally, any knowledge you gained with electricity while dealing with Bitcoin mining, happens to be useful here as well. 480v in your garage? Yup. Charging the cars overnight will become the norm and it never hurts to plan ahead and have your parking place ready.

Think of the time you will save, never going to a gas station again, especially daily commuters.

The hydro had the outdated premise of "what if i don't have a power plug around", assuming availability of gas stations. So i could tell you, now, go develop these pictures i got on film. You will pause thinking where you can do that anymore... Same thing.

And, since the car has to carry both kinds of engine, making it more heavy, and with less space for carry fuel/batteries, the complexity is even higher than a regular gasoline guzzler.

For the case of cars this is seldom an issue, as generation doesn't necessarily need to be near the car.

It is true that Earth is constantly getting an enormous amount of light, even if some areas are cloud covered, others are not.

AND, renewable energies DO come from multiple sources. There are places where this is not needed, and perhaps a "buffer" (batteries) are good enough. But combining different sources is probably best.

Solar, Wind, Hydro, those 3 are important, there is also geo thermal, tidal, wave among others. It depends on the geographical location.

My country, for example sees A LOT of sun all year (rain doesn't last more than a day), yet none of it is harvested. It has a large dam that powers the entire country. It even has areas with strong constant winds. Heck, my country is unique in the world, as it has the only natural occurring permanent lightning (some call it the World's natural ozone generator); but i imagine you could somehow harvest that. Setting up the thing would be challenging tho, people die electrocuted from time to time in that region. I imagine robots could build something akin to the Eiffel tower there to power large battery banks.

And yet, my country will be the last to see electric cars, because while it has the cheapest electricity in the world, it also has the cheapest gasoline. Well that and the politicians than can't never have enough of ruining the country.

There are other older proposals, one involves a satellite with a (very large) solar array beaming energy down via microwave.

It can also be argued that, nuclear is natural (it IS natural occurring, just real hard to handle safely). After all the Sun is a giant fusion nuclear reactor, we are simply tapping a minuscule amount of the excess energy that impacts the surface in the form of light projected from it. Fusion powered energy is still a study in progress, but it is believed that at some point we will be able to make an artificial micro sun to power things with, its just that starting the thing and make it self sustainable, ie: generate enough energy to keep the reaction AND having a surplus we could use, is the challenge. Many countries including America are working on it, and the day its harnessed things are going to change a lot, electricity might become so abundant and cheap, it might even revive Bitcoin mining after it became long unprofitable (think half a century). Incidentally it might spell the end of a fossil fueled economy.

The way things stand, fossil fuels will deplete, while the other sources remain. It is logical to go full electric, or old fashioned (perhaps a combination: bicycles and electric. Electric assisted bicycles also count).

If you can do your daily commute under your own muscles, i don't see why not. No roof on Earth should be devoid of solar paneling, it is such a waste not to tap on that, tho things you can do now to lower your power use, but more are coming both massive and small.

Dinosaur Juice is not endless.

yeah right!!!

anyway better that your not from there,and thanks for the great conversation we gone off topic here lol ^_^

There is no need to be in Africa to know about Africa.Everything is under palm now. I do read lot of stuffs and interested in worlds economic and politics as well I so I knew about these things.

Africa has been a victim of abused for very long,from slavery to inhuman treatment the world knew that now.

wait my friend ,are you from Africa?sorry just curious on how you have that much concern about this continent ,hope you dont mind me asking.

the world is taking place now for the help Africa needs

Most part of African continent were much greener than now but things changed due to various reason,mainly due to other countries stole their natural resource now left them with nothing other than poverty and corruption.

Countries preparing for it but it is possible to stand against the nature,we have to wait and watch that.

This is what I am talking about:

Why you think its just normal in that continent,what will be your reaction if this will be the condition of whole world in the next few decades.

haven't heard of that zero day and while browsing it appears that it was cyber attack,sorry but have no idea about that.

but as far as i know africa is suffering from water problem days back and wasn't normal in that continent to have no rain for a long time?i might sound stupid but please enlighten me about those quetion since you sounds like from african continent?am i right?

Not futuristic,it is happening since last 3 or 4 years back.Did you ever heard the term "Zero Day"?

Cape town which is the capital of South Africa didn't get any single drop of rain and all the water sources there were exhausted now they are surviving from water source outside which is lot expensive than what we can imagine.

Maybe world war 3 begins for water source...

I think electric car + improved solar panel would be great. If this is possible it will revolutionize the traffic world.

Lol human extinction and rain won't come?yeah that's very futuristic 😅

Anyway maybe in future we will find another source of energy aside from solar ,fuel and hydrothermal


Maybe Mars is the answer?joke

I'm not quite sure it's electric cars that are useful to the world. But electric transport quadcopters may in the future be used on a daily basis

If we are in heavy rainy seasons then hydro turbines will plays the role of sun,but the real fact is we are not going to see much of rain in the future which will be the beginning of human extinction so we will have the sun for sure at least on most part of the world.

Straight to your question - of course, electric cars are the future. Science and technology is equipping mankind in such a way he doesn't stress too much. Even with auto driven cars, we can see that being rampart in the near future. If we negate electric cars then we should also go back to the days of Carmels for transportation. The only bane of electric cars will likely be with countries that don't have regular electricity supply. That's all.

So solar power is the answer?what if rainy season when sun don't even seen for weeks?what will happen to solar panel? Where do people take their electricity? Sorry but these are important questions that must be answered as solar power are very in demand these days but can't be ready for the future

No,we are in shortage of electricity,it is the only source available in abundance for now but we are not using it yet due to its expensiveness and maintenance cost but once we adopt to solar powered electricity then we are not going to have hard time to pay electricity fee.But other hand gasoline will lose its place by 2030 or near to that and there will be huge change in the world economical conditions.

Electrics are still mechanical, for the most part. But rather than burning dinosaur juice to make it explode endlessly to push pistons which move wheels, electrics just pass current thru winded wire which generates magnetic movement. Incidentally the opposite generates electricity, that is, forcing movement to a magnet winded by copper... If you do this with the dinosaur juice guzzler, you just get some braking and a lot of farting like noise (just try 1st or 2nd gear downhill, no brakes) which is just inefficiently burnt fuel. At least the electric can recover some of the spent energy that it spent climbing that hill...

So it all amounts to the efficiency of the batteries. In the Li-ion era, the likes of Tesla were made possible. Several previous attempts involved very heavy liquid chemical based solutions, but its power/density ratio left a lot to be desired. Now even your typical cellphone/laptop battery is pushing the cars. These batteries are getting improved all the time, and Tesla invested big in manifacturing, bigger than everyone else. Consider the largest was Panasonic, and Tesla invited THEM to joint build the largest plants for manufacturing these. Better, longer lasting batteries helps not just the cars, but any application where storage of energy is needed, such as in renewable power generation where a buffer is needed to compensate natural fluctuations in generation (ie. wind/tidal speed change or daily hours).

Some other types of batteries have been theorized and proposed, but they have yet to achieve mass production and reliability. Examples could be chemical liquid based (including dinosaur juice), or Hydrogen. I somehow rather prefer solid state energy storage than liquid or gas that could leak... Of course dinosaur juice guzzlers have always carried flammable fuel onboard...

Also you assume diesel would always be found around the corner. I'd rather give you the advice of keeping a bicycle or horse instead... Do you still keep your film camera just in case? I hope you know how to develop your own film, all you need is a dark room, chemicals, sheets, patience... Of course you can make your own diesel, but it might take you a while...

I am 100% sure that alternative energy cars will replace the "mechanical" ones sooner than most people expect. I'm looking to a 5-10 years window in the developed countries and 10-20 in the developing ones. However I highly encourage people to keep a diesel alimented car in their "backyard" if anything happens and we're left without electricity.

It is normal to make signficant moves towards a cleaner tomorrow and the cars are the principal guilty ones for pollution. Just think how fresh it's going to be the air once we get rid of fossil combustible alimented cars.
Regarding the best brand I think Tesla is and will remain the leader of the electric cars industry. They have a very smart CEO with vision.

Yes, they are useful, but not for survival of humanity. Humans can live without cars for that matter.


Electric cars are like digital vs analog cameras, or CRT vs LED screens, etc. There are so many analogies, but it seems the "common" people are far more close to cars. It took a while for photographers to recognize and eventually accept digital photography, same thing here.

They certainly take less resources, not too much less if the country generates electricity burning fossil fuel, but less none the less.

Start with the basics, take a look at a combustion engine vs electric motors. The complexity of the first vs the simplicity of the second. As a driver, you will immediately notice the amount of extra maintenance steps no longer needed. An electric car only uses some oil for the driving wheel, and even this nearly optional.

You see, direct mechanical direction is becoming a thing of the past, and that's when you actually drive the car yourself... Same as many other input methods are no longer direct, the gas and the brakes, these made their way into conventional cars. You push the gas pedal and you are no longer pulling some lever inside allowing more gasoline flow like it used to be. no. Modern cars today are pretty much "by wire", with the "inputs" being more or less glorified digital controls that tell a computer the intention of the driver (ie, accelerate), same with braking.

Take a simple toy electric car, and you are looking at a simplified version of what you will be driving. It has a battery, it has en electric motor, and wheels. Add direction and brakes, mostly for regulatory reasons. Tesla cars are known to brake plenty with regenerative braking, meaning, if you release the pedals, the car doesn't coast as much because the regenerating of energy happens to make the car slow down so much that people call it 1 pedal driving (ie: just push to accelerate, release to brake). Many people claim they can drive without ever touching the mechanical brakes, especially when regenerative braking is set at its highest regenerative level (it can be softened/disabled). If you know car mechanics, try to digest the magnitude of simplicity this entails. You do know Tesla doesn't even bother with gear changes? Of course they don't electric motors are very efficient which is how they found their way into Rail locomotion so early in the 20th century and ever since (No diesel locomotion engine remains that drive directly the wheels, all they do is put an electric motor and a diesel generator next to each other). This is because the electric engine is so powerful under varying loads already.

So you end with: Car body, wheels, battery bank, electric engine directly attached to wheel (no transmission), lights, chairs, windshield a single digital screen (optional) and you are pretty much done. Elon Musk had a chance when he started Tesla, to move humanity into electric cars. When he started, electric cars were still seen as toys with much disdain. It took him alone to prove them wrong, as the big manufacturers didn't care, and he delivered, and the big guys now how no choice but to follow, and this is why you see many brands jumping in.

To accelerate things, the efficient electric motor patented by Tesla has been given away for anyone to use. The patent is only used defensively, anyone is welcome to use it without paying royalties, not unlike Free Open Source software.

Did i mention that, going to a gas station to "fill" disappears from your life? The idea with the electric car, is that you plug it anywhere you park. So you will see more and more parking with electricity, and less and less gas stations. Think of, places where you used to go develop your photographs, in the past these shops were all over the place, now they are hard to find, if any remain. Or you could think of VHS rental shop, now that there is digital streaming, the likes of blockbuster, once staple of living, are no more.

In the following years you will see the combustion car quickly diminish at an accelerated rate. Business like restaurants to attract customers will make sure all their park space has electric plugs, kinda like you wouln't go to a shop without wifi anymore.

And yes, the lovers of "vroom" would claim how this is the end of the world, that cars are "not fun anymore", but such is progress. It has happened to so many things already, new generations will simply not know about it. Did you know the military doesn't teach morse code anymore? Yup, it remains in movies, just like the telegraph, the record player, vhs... Maybe the television will follow, who needs it when everything is streamed online? Aside from being a glorified big display with a tuner, that tuner is having less and less use, or the ones used by cable box, digital and all, are a thing of the past. Because there is no point in getting 500 channels when you are only going to watch only a few for few hours, and its what they want not what you want anyway.

I say we are no longer waiting for the future, the cars exist, we have entered in the phase of massive global-scale adoption. China is probably coming with cheaper, shorter ranged (and probably not as safe as Tesla) electric cars, but good enough for commuters. Of course it doesn't help that Beijing is smoke city...

It will simply become too cumbersome to keep running combustion engine cars anymore. Think of this, your VHS is broken, you need to take it for repairs, can you find a repair technician quickly? Not anymore right? Those that remain are the old people who used to do it in their glory days. Same with cars.

Love it or hate it, electric cars have arrived. Be thankful if you are still allowed to direct the wheels, because self driving is also making tremendous advance. Google (renamed Alphabet/Waymo) already envisioned a car that is essentially a chair with a tablet on wheels. No wheel, pedals, no nothing. You tell it where you want to go, and off it goes. You might say that was too early but i expect this to return once the things are considered safe enough...

I wonder how the electric car owners will get on when the power companies go bankrupt.

Efficient diesel id better for the environment than electric cars, and pretty soon the politicians will have to admit that. All electric cars do is to export pollution from the cities into the countryside. However taxing diesel car owners is great for the exchequer, and they make it much easier for the police to control drivers from a remote control centre.

Also, we should dump the idea of self-driving chains of lorries, and go back to good old electric trains.

This is an interesting question. In my opinion, Tesla has the best electric cars at the moment as Mr. Musk spent a lot of money fo the R&D department and they are way ahead of the others. To answer the second question I would say that yes they are very important for the environment. I wouldn't say for the survival tho. But we can slowly start saving the planet if more and more people have electric car. On the other side it will also be cheaper to drive electric.

We are near have shortages of electricity and how can electric cars help save the future?

What I want to know if people can generate cars that will run using trashes because pollution is killing us now and with the help of another innovative works let’s see if they can handle creating moving cars that don’t need electricity,gasoline or even solar power

No, it's not, many things are essential to our survival like Food, water and, etc.

For example:

Everyone thinks about Alternative Energy as the messiah of the earth, it will free us from the pollution, but let's take solar collectors - they are really hard to utilize https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/25/18018820/solar-panel-waste-chemicals-energy-environment-recycling, of course, it is an old article, but still it has a point, that it creates other problems, which needs solving.

I don't know if electric cars possess the same threat with their batteries. But I would not state that it is essential for our survival.

I’m thinking about making the jump to an electric car sometime next year. I had originally hoped to hold out for Dyson’s creation but read they are no longer going forward with their plans to build an electric car. I think I’ll likely get a Tesla as a result, but want to see what their truck and suv models look like first. I think if Tesla can live up to it’s promise of a self driving car by next summer, it will be a real game changer.

I hope down the line (rather sooner than later actually) most Cars will be electronic.

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I meant to say about extinction of humanity in less than 100 years.

Of course it will be useful for the future. The future needs more clean energy
Also these cars will save a lot of energy

Of course they are useful and extremely necessary in the future. Because we pollute nature with oil waste.
Only until prices fall significantly, these will be cars for rich people.

Why do engineers not want to develop water engines when people come to the decision that it is environmentally safe and useful...

The Ed Gray electric motor is basically simple. It has 3 armature arms, and two stator windings, similar to a starter motor on a car. The difference is that the windings are for very high voltage - as high as 50,000 volts.

Electricity is sent to both, the armature arms and stators at just the time that they pass each other. The high voltage is directed so that the face of the stator, and the armature arm passing it, both suddenly have the same magnetic field, north or south.

When this happens, there is a repulsion between the arm and the stator, causing the motor to turn. The high voltage electricity acts only for an instant, and is best produced by a spark to increase its force.

Since the electricity only acts for an instant, very little electricity is used. Since it is high voltage (low amperage), there is a lot of force produced.

At times Ed Gray believed that this motor form produced over unity power. Google "Ed Gray motor."

100 years?  I bet you we see a huge jump in starvation in a little as a couple years. Our crops are already failing.

Some scientists believe the modern electric car, with it's large battery, wi never go mainstream.   Solar power improvements will decrease battery needs.  Of course, there will always be a market for vehicles that need more power or operate when it's not sunny.

Of course its Tesla right now but most other companies were working on it and yes electric cars will be the future and by 2030 electric cars will replace half of current technology cars but not sure it is going to help for the survival of humanity.We have lot other risks like climate changes which could change the entire world in less than 100 years.

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